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  1. Fade_z's Avatar
    I'm in the us, everything is expensive here also. I thought piracy was only illegal if you sold the pirated material. I, legally, can make a copy of a game I've purchased and give it away all I want. I just can't sell those copies for profit. I could be wrong though
    Idk if people quoted you on this before ever since the thread is 10 pages long on the mobile app.

    But ddistribution is illegal also, free or not
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    06-23-2014 05:10 PM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Idk if people quoted you on this before ever since the thread is 10 pages long on the mobile app.

    But ddistribution is illegal also, free or not
    Only if you buy an unlimited license can you give it away as you wish. For example, I have Office 2007 with an Enterprise license because I'm always loading it on different devices that don't always have optical drives. I'm also too lazy to create an iso on a USB stick.

    For the sake of this thread, I paid a few Benjamins for it. I couldn't afford it, but I couldn't afford not to do it.
    06-23-2014 05:32 PM
  3. Arda Ozkal's Avatar
    I'm sorry,but it is exactly like that.

    There is no gray area here.

    If a person chooses to steal what they do not legally own,it is theft plain and simple.

    You can try to justify it however you want,but that doesn't change anything.

    Each individual in this world has to decide if they are going to be honest,regardless of where they live,or what their financial circumstances are.

    We are not discussing a matter of life and death here,we are discussing pirating software that is not legally owned.

    Quite frankly I am surprised by those here that feel this practice is somehow justified because they cannot afford to pay for this,and that they have no worries because it is not enforced in their area. These same people complain about how expensive this is,and then wonder why.
    You say:
    If you are starving, die while you are trying to earn money.

    I say:
    One. Little. Bread.


    Ps. I paid all my software or msft paid it for me (dreamspark). I use spotify.

    Disclaimer: I'm not supporting theft or piracy.
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    06-23-2014 05:34 PM
  4. k0de's Avatar
    You say:
    If you are starving, die while you are trying to earn money.

    I say:
    One. Little. Bread.


    Ps. I paid all my software or msft paid it for me (dreamspark). I use spotify.

    Disclaimer: I'm not supporting theft or piracy.
    That's what I am talking about. Thanks.
    06-23-2014 05:37 PM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You say:
    If you are starving, die while you are trying to earn money.

    I say:
    One. Little. Bread.


    Ps. I paid all my software or msft paid it for me (dreamspark). I use spotify.

    Disclaimer: I'm not supporting theft or piracy.
    He didn't say that at all. You inferred that. He specifically mentioned that this is not life or death. I usually disagree vehemently with Mac, but he's right on this one and I got his back.
    MDMcAtee likes this.
    06-23-2014 06:52 PM
  6. anon(8150199)'s Avatar
    It's the way of life here too (Cambodia), and I pretty have to get the cracked Windows (runs just fine tbh) since my laptop doesn't come with any OS!
    BataBole likes this.
    06-23-2014 11:16 PM
  7. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Why would MSFT miss Bosnia and Herzegovina? I can't follow. Please elaborate, Thanks
    This was a response to the first paragraph of post 91, which I should have quoted. :-)
    06-23-2014 11:52 PM
  8. Chregu's Avatar
    Regardless of whether you think it's theft or piracy or whatever you like to call it when you use my software without paying for it,
    I would punch you in the face when I see you on the street. No matter which ******* country you are from or how much you earn.
    While I understand your frustration towards copyright infringement and I agree that people should pay for their work, I really don't understand how you can be so aggressively against every kind of software piracy, while you are promoting violence against these people.

    In my eyes, violence is much worse than installing a unauthorized copy of Windows. And it's at least as illegal.
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    06-24-2014 12:58 AM
  9. Fade_z's Avatar
    Only if you buy an unlimited license can you give it away as you wish. For example, I have Office 2007 with an Enterprise license because I'm always loading it on different devices that don't always have optical drives. I'm also too lazy to create an iso on a USB stick.

    For the sake of this thread, I paid a few Benjamins for it. I couldn't afford it, but I couldn't afford not to do it.
    Oh its not that I don't understand piracy, I pirate myself sometimes, nothing big though
    06-24-2014 01:05 AM
  10. Chregu's Avatar
    Let me ask another question: What do you guys think about ad-blockers?

    From my point of view it's the same as piracy. It allows you to read news and reports provided by hard-working people that won't see a dime just because the user prefers to not see advertisements.

    Strangely, it's not illegal.
    06-24-2014 01:56 AM
  11. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Let me ask another question: What do you guys think about ad-blockers?

    From my point of view it's the same as piracy. It allows you to read news and reports provided by hard-working people that won't see a dime just because the user prefers to not see advertisements.

    Strangely, it's not illegal.
    This is an interesting question, but we could go much further. If you go to the toilet during an ad break on TV, or record the programme and fast forward through the adverts, you're also stealing from hard working people. We should install restaints in everyone's homes to force people to watch the ads. They can go to the toilet in their own time.

    In another note, does anyone here ever click on an advert on a web page? I don't use an ad blocker but I would never click on an ad, as I assume most are fake or dodgy, and if you click on one you're in danger of getting ripped off or having some malware installed on your PC.
    Chregu and ivdza like this.
    06-24-2014 04:08 AM
  12. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    A friend of mine has Office 2013 installed on all his computers and didn't pay a penny. It's not SO illegal that anything could come of it but the government claims it's illegal. Kind of like smoking weed or wearing a tinted motorcycle visor. As long as you don't bother the cops, they won't stop you. UK.
    06-24-2014 05:12 AM
  13. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    This is an interesting question, but we could go much further. If you go to the toilet during an ad break on TV, or record the programme and fast forward through the adverts, you're also stealing from hard working people. We should install restaints in everyone's homes to force people to watch the ads. They can go to the toilet in their own time.

    In another note, does anyone here ever click on an advert on a web page? I don't use an ad blocker but I would never click on an ad, as I assume most are fake or dodgy, and if you click on one you're in danger of getting ripped off or having some malware installed on your PC.
    I believe that content is available for free, and that companies pay to advertise on these free sites. Whether people actually watch the adverts is not the content providers concern.
    06-24-2014 05:14 AM
  14. Chregu's Avatar
    I believe that content is available for free, and that companies pay to advertise on these free sites. Whether people actually watch the adverts is not the content providers concern.
    Often they are paid dependent on clicks. Also, when ads don't reach the target audience, these companies will stop spending money on it.
    06-24-2014 05:50 AM
  15. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Let me ask another question: What do you guys think about ad-blockers?

    From my point of view it's the same as piracy. It allows you to read news and reports provided by hard-working people that won't see a dime just because the user prefers to not see advertisements.

    Strangely, it's not illegal.
    No..it's not even closely the same thing.

    Blocking a ad is not using or condoning pirating software, and fwiw nor is fast forwarding through a commecial...

    Sheese...some of you guys are reaching for straws just to justify stealing.
    06-24-2014 06:18 AM
  16. Chregu's Avatar
    No..it's not even closely the same thing.

    Blocking a ad is not using or condoning pirating software, and fwiw nor is fast forwarding through a commecial...

    Sheese...some of you guys are reaching for straws just to justify stealing.
    I thought we have already established that we all agree that piracy is bad, but that it is by definition not stealing. It's like you haven't read anything in this thread.

    So what does justify for you to consume a product, but to cut out the provider's money source in this case?
    06-24-2014 06:20 AM
  17. Detectionable's Avatar
    Let me ask another question: What do you guys think about ad-blockers?

    From my point of view it's the same as piracy. It allows you to read news and reports provided by hard-working people that won't see a dime just because the user prefers to not see advertisements.

    Strangely, it's not illegal.
    I already pay for my internet, I block every single ad I can - if a site can't cope without ads, shutdown the site

    Im not being poisoned by adverts online as well as tv as well as billboard, radio, every single place I go

    If I could block ads world wide I would

    Pathetic argument saying it is stealing by blocking ads, pathetic
    06-24-2014 06:23 AM
  18. Chregu's Avatar
    I already pay for my internet, I block every single ad I can - if a site can't cope without ads, shutdown the site

    Im not being poisoned by adverts online as well as tv as well as billboard, radio, every single place I go

    If I could block ads world wide I would

    Pathetic argument saying it is stealing by blocking ads, pathetic
    You pay for your internet access, not for the content that's provided on the internet. Or you could just download software and games with the same argument.

    Actually there are quite some pages that have issues with ad-blocking. I don't think their financial problems are pathetic, after all the people behind this pages probably have a family and a life too.

    And where did I say anything about stealing?

    Please, give me some real reasons why it's okay to block ads. Just babbling unrelated stuff in an agitated manner doesn't help.
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    06-24-2014 06:27 AM
  19. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I thought we have already established that we all agree that piracy is bad, but that it is by definition not stealing. It's like you haven't read anything in this thread.

    So what does justify for you to consume a product, but to cut out the provider's money source in this case?
    No..theft is theft. Only those who are trying to make a pisspoor argument are claiming that it isn't.

    What a moronic argument you choose to use for your justification of pirating software. Just because I choose not to look at something doesn't mean I am stealing....and for you to try to argue this speaks volumes for the type of person you choose to be.
    06-24-2014 06:40 AM
  20. ivdza's Avatar
    And you all that are against piracy,you didnt download any software that is cracked or similar??? Bravo for you,in this century and internet that is spreading every second? I admire you really,no joke....
    06-24-2014 06:45 AM
  21. Chregu's Avatar
    And you all that are against piracy,you didnt download any software that is cracked or similar??? Bravo for you,in this century and internet that is spreading every second? I admire you really,no joke....
    I did, when I was much younger (teenager). I don't do it anymore. I don't expect people to know what's wright or wrong from birth on, but at one point people should start to think about their actions and the consequences.
    06-24-2014 07:46 AM
  22. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    And you all that are against piracy,you didnt download any software that is cracked or similar??? Bravo for you,in this century and internet that is spreading every second? I admire you really,no joke....
    No sir...and when I see pirated software being pushed by someone it gets reported. Same for bootleg movies or music or apps in the stores that allows any.

    Like I said before it isn't a matter of life and death,it's a choice between being honest or not.
    06-24-2014 07:48 AM
  23. Chregu's Avatar
    No..theft is theft. Only those who are trying to make a pisspoor argument are claiming that it isn't.

    What a moronic argument you choose to use for your justification of pirating software. Just because I choose not to look at something doesn't mean I am stealing....and for you to try to argue this speaks volumes for the type of person you choose to be.
    If I'm not mistaken, and I am not, I was writing in my first post that I buy all my software. I also never said that piracy is right or should be supported. Quite the opposite. I don't really know where your anger is coming from.

    I was asking this question here because for me it's a very similar problem: If you acquire a unauthorized copy of Windows, there's nothing missing at another place. There's no direct damage. The damage is the money that a company (and the entire trade chain) loses because of it.

    If you block ads, there's nothing missing, but the damage is the money the company loses because of it.

    And just as a reminder: Google, Bing, Facebook, Twitter, and so on, and so on, they all make their money with ads.

    And as a personal side note: Your vulgar choice of words is not really pleasant to read.
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    06-24-2014 07:50 AM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    We really don't people throwing personal insults around here. It speaks more about character than an opinion on the practicality of piracy enforcement.

    And yes, ad blocking is similar to piracy. It's purposely blocking the revenue generation model of a service while still enjoying the benefits of that service.
    Chregu and ronty like this.
    06-24-2014 08:21 AM
  25. ivdza's Avatar
    I would lie if i say that i dont download software that is cracked(pirated). I have licensed Windows 8 on my laptop,and Office 2013 I paid a lot for that,i am from Serbia,sooo not all of us from Balkan are thiefts :))(i mean MSFT thiefts). But...i download a lot of movies and Tv shows using torrents i admmit. I am not gamer,so i dont download that one,for music i am using Youtube and Soundcloud...
    06-24-2014 08:23 AM
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