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  1. dlalonde's Avatar
    It's not accurate to call this OS a competing OS. It's not Google's version of Android and has no access to the Play store.
    The bulk of it is still built by the competition (Google)... Then Microsoft "Windowsifies" it.
    06-25-2014 04:55 AM
  2. Ankit Nawlakha's Avatar
    BBC News - Microsoft to release Android-powered Nokia X2 handset

    The more I see what MS are doing and the more I compare WP8.1 to its competition the more frustrated I feel. The internal team structure, the way internal teams do NOT communicate is probably the reason they cant replicate Zune features in the Music app, I mean if you OWN ZUNE then how hard can it be to take the great features and shove it in XBOX Music?

    FORGET ANDROID - GET YOUR OWN HOUSE IN ORDER FIRST ...... NOOOOOOBS!!

    Edit - according to article they have unveiled it rather than launched it as the name of thread implies.

    grrrrrrr
    This is so IRONICAL!
    06-25-2014 05:32 AM
  3. Ankit Nawlakha's Avatar
    Brad and Visa have pretty much hit the nail on the head here. MS are using the entry level X android devices as a means of having a presence in the cheaper segment of the Android market - a segment that is perhaps the most rife with a choice of devices and all at a similar price point without the build quality of Microsoft / Nokia. They're using a forked version of Android and slowly introducing people to Microsoft services and apps and using a similar interface to WP in a bid to get people to interact with Microsoft's design philosophy and services. Their thinking is that people will really like what they see and their next devices will be fully fledged Windows Phones.

    Will it work? Only time will tell but it's a strategy that Microsoft are heavily invested in so while we might find it a little frustrating sometimes, I doubt any complaints we make will sway them from this strategy right now.
    This Strategy of Microsoft will work only if the X-Series do well in the markets!
    06-25-2014 05:39 AM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    Brad and Visa have pretty much hit the nail on the head here. MS are using the entry level X android devices as a means of having a presence in the cheaper segment of the Android market - a segment that is perhaps the most rife with a choice of devices and all at a similar price point without the build quality of Microsoft / Nokia. They're using a forked version of Android and slowly introducing people to Microsoft services and apps and using a similar interface to WP in a bid to get people to interact with Microsoft's design philosophy and services. Their thinking is that people will really like what they see and their next devices will be fully fledged Windows Phones.

    Will it work? Only time will tell but it's a strategy that Microsoft are heavily invested in so while we might find it a little frustrating sometimes, I doubt any complaints we make will sway them from this strategy right now.
    Can you be more ON POINT? I don't think so. Well said.
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    06-25-2014 08:30 AM
  5. theefman's Avatar
    Microsoft is expanding its cloud services regardless of the os that they use in their hardware.
    NOTHING showcases Microsoft services better than a Windows Phone. They don't need android to do that.
    06-25-2014 09:11 AM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    NOTHING showcases Microsoft services better than a Windows Phone.
    Services like Skype?
    06-25-2014 09:29 AM
  7. phasar's Avatar
    The people who are more concerned with office, outlook, onedrive, and Skype services are not the ones more likely to purchase these low end phones. Microsoft is just demonstrating why Nokia and Microsoft have become dinosaurs in the mobile industry.
    06-25-2014 10:53 AM
  8. jmshub's Avatar
    I don't think that Nokia needed to build an Android powered phone to serve the low end of their market, and I don't think Microsoft should continue to develop their version of Android. But, they shouldn't have immediately halted all work and shut off the lights in that office when they assumed control of Nokia either. There is no advantage to stopping work in progress.
    06-25-2014 10:56 AM
  9. tapehead's Avatar
    Microsoft just keeps on embarrassing itself...
    06-25-2014 12:11 PM
  10. a5cent's Avatar
    A few months ago I pitched a script to Hollywood film producers. The script dramatizes a fictional (near) future where MS eventually defeats and kills Android against overwhelming odds, by first cunningly appearing to publicly adopt and support it. I thought it would make for a great drama, as it starts out with all the outrage, frustration and incomprehension seen in this thread, but ends well, as during the last 15 minutes the audience realizes how Microsoft's moves always had the opposite intentions.

    Here's the synopsis for those that are interested.

    This is obviously 'tongue in cheek', and includes a few exaggerations, but IMHO the basic premise (further fracturing the Android market and turning Android against Google, or at least removing it from Google's control) isn't entirely unrealistic. It is what I would attempt if I were running MS.

    I wrote that post before the Nokia X was introduced, and the first few reactions to that post were negative, obviously because folks refused to believe the Nokia X was real. Well, here we are, after Microsoft's purchase of Nokia, and we're actually going to get a successor to the Nokia X. It can no longer be doubted that Microsoft thinks AOSP has some role to play.
    Last edited by a5cent; 06-25-2014 at 03:12 PM. Reason: spelling
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    06-25-2014 12:58 PM
  11. loofmodnar's Avatar
    It'll be a year minimum before Microsoft releases anything that's a "Microsoft" phone. Everything coming out over the next 8 months was a Nokia project they inherited and have too much invested in to kill out right.
    06-25-2014 03:38 PM
  12. rodan01's Avatar
    ART could kill the Nokia X. What is the plan to survive that change? Will Microsoft develop their own runtime?
    06-25-2014 04:09 PM
  13. loofmodnar's Avatar
    ART could kill the Nokia X. What is the plan to survive that change? Will Microsoft develop their own runtime?
    How so? It's just a compiler and most existing Android apps already work with it. I've been using it on my Nexus 5 since April without an issue. All they'd need to do is enable it and retest.
    06-25-2014 04:15 PM
  14. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    That's not really the point. If you want to make people buy your product, don't release and promote a competing product...
    Exactly, defeats the purpose
    dlalonde likes this.
    06-25-2014 04:20 PM
  15. anon(6038817)'s Avatar
    I absolutely don't understand why Microsoft still releases Android phones... would Apple release an Android or WP phone? Never! Then why does Microsoft do it? Don't they trust their software to be the best?
    With the acquisition of Beats, Apple does develop apps for Android and Windows Phone now. :)

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 via Tapatalk
    06-25-2014 04:26 PM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    ART could kill the Nokia X. What is the plan to survive that change? Will Microsoft develop their own runtime?
    ART is being committed to AOSP, so it will become the runtime environment for all Android apps across all devices, including the Nokia X (assuming it is updated to newer versions of Android).

    Google has no other choice if they don't want to cause themselves a lot of headaches. Differing runtimes on different Android devices would be a major pain in the rear for all developers and further fragment the Android ecosystem.
    rodan01 likes this.
    06-25-2014 04:34 PM
  17. onysi's Avatar
    I don't see this as a disappointment. I see this as a Trojan horse. android powered- microsoft ecosystem.
    Cleavitt76 likes this.
    06-25-2014 06:50 PM
  18. dlalonde's Avatar
    With the acquisition of Beats, Apple does develop apps for Android and Windows Phone now. :)

    Posted from my BlackBerry Z30 via Tapatalk
    Yeah apps not a whole OS ;)
    06-25-2014 06:56 PM
  19. DJCBS's Avatar
    Microsoft didn't choose to release an Android product. They inherited this project from Nokia. Releasing this phone did not keep Windows Phone developers from developing WP apps. While I thought Nokia's Android project was a little odd to begin with, the X2 is not hindering progress of WP in any way in Redmond.
    Here's the thing: the X platform was NOT the Android that Nokia was working on. The version of Android Nokia was working on (and will continue to work on) has now been launched as a launcher under the name "Nokia Z launcher" (https://www.zlauncher.com/). The X platform was a concession to Microsoft.

    Let us be clear: Microsoft does NOT lose anything by having forked Android phones. They own Android patents, they don't need Google's permition for anything, and they can lead people into their own services.
    Sure, the more tech savvy people that buy a Nokia X will just pick the phone, root it, remove the X platform and install a full Android ROM in it. But the other millions won't. Those will end up using OneDrive, Outlook etc. And that's the point of it.
    Microsoft is a SOFTWARE company. That doesn't mean they are an OPERATING SYSTEMS ONLY company.

    Microsoft already made more money on Android than on Windows Phone BEFORE the X devices came out. Why shouldn't they keep pursuing that? If in the end some people who use the X platform end up going for Windows Phone, extra points for Microsoft. If not, hey, at least they'll consider keep using Microsoft's services on Android.

    You know, there are a lot of people who use Microsoft's services on Android. Actually, I can tell you that 90% of my friends who use Android devices, do NOT use Gmail or Google Drive. They all keep using their Hotmail accounts (outlook) and they all use OneDrive. Because they also have those on their Windows PCs and it just makes sense for them. They have Gmail accounts, sure (I do too). But they only use it for Google Play, really.
    06-25-2014 09:09 PM
  20. colinkiama's Avatar
    Here is the plain truth. Microsoft's main goal is to get people on board with their services, not to get people to adopt Windows Phone. It should be obvious to everyone here.

    Microsoft is going to keep pumping these Android phones out, so there's no sense in gnashing your teeth every time it happens. Services are all that matters to them, and they don't care which platform they get their adoption numbers from. Judging by how much time they invest into iOS and Android, and how poor their own services are on Windows Phone, it's obvious where their bread and butter is.

    Stop acting like Windows Phone is where they should put all of their energy, they are doing the right thing by supporting the largest common denominator, and it's not Windows Phone.
    Then what was the point of me buying a windows phone if the services are rubbish on it compared to iOS and android?
    Last edited by colinkiama; 06-26-2014 at 12:42 AM. Reason: Spelling
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    06-26-2014 12:41 AM
  21. HeyCori's Avatar
    Microsoft didn't choose to release an Android product. They inherited this project from Nokia. Releasing this phone did not keep Windows Phone developers from developing WP apps. While I thought Nokia's Android project was a little odd to begin with, the X2 is not hindering progress of WP in any way in Redmond.
    This, basically. These phones and obligations were dumped on Microsoft. Using the X line to showcase Microsoft's mobile services is merely them turning lemons into lemonade. The only way to X line survives is if MS still has to fulfill contractual obligations or (if by some miracle) the X line becomes an overnight, billion dollar success.
    06-26-2014 08:49 AM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    Using the X line to showcase Microsoft's mobile services is merely them turning lemons into lemonade.
    I think that Nokia X is Microsoft's way of turning lemons into lemonade. Nokia sold their souls to Microsoft when they signed the WP contract. Nokia is a devices company; they have to sell devices. Their devices weren't selling enough to pay the bills.

    I also wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft was behind Nokia X from the beginning. I'm sure they knew at that point that they would be taking over Nokia's devices division soon. Wasn't there some kind of exclusive deal between Nokia & Microsoft? I would think that Microsoft could've stopped the Nokia X project if they would've wanted to.

    My 2.
    06-26-2014 08:58 AM
  23. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Blame the consumers. WP doesn't sell in huge quantities, yet these cheap Knock off Android seem to be doing really well.

    I hope all the new cheap OEMs give WP a boost, otherwise the consumer will have spoken, and WP will not be what they wanted from Microsoft.
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    honestly why this attitude?if something doesnt go the way a multi billion dollar corporation planned ,blame the consumers? its not the fault of that corporation that is microsoft?
    people buy what they feel is best for them ,they dont do anything for charity..its upto microsoft to convince them that their product is worth buying! u dont blame consumers for not buying ur product lol..
    u and people like me have bought wp for various reasons..but the general perception is that wp is not good enough...

    hell microsoft released a file manager only after how many years? they are going and updating skype for ios instead of their own platform!google and apple first focuses on their platform to provide the best experience to their products
    they are releasing android phones in the name of attracting consumers to wp..do they really think people will jump on wp bandwagon coz they see that tile skin?the probability is they will go for fully featured google android after using that!
    they release a lumia 630 with lesser spec than last years lowest budget phone !525 had 1gb ram and all the sensors! u dont release a phone with inferior spec and costlier than ur last years lowest model phone!thats really silly..
    and one and half years for a major os update while competition do it every year

    i dont really understand this strategy...kinda sends wrong message to the public..so no use in blaming them for wp not gaining traction..
    some are willing to take risk and experiment with their purchases ,try new thing despite their shortcomings...but the general public is not like wpc members.
    06-26-2014 01:39 PM
  24. Ankit Nawlakha's Avatar
    Brad and Visa have pretty much hit the nail on the head here. MS are using the entry level X android devices as a means of having a presence in the cheaper segment of the Android market - a segment that is perhaps the most rife with a choice of devices and all at a similar price point without the build quality of Microsoft / Nokia. They're using a forked version of Android and slowly introducing people to Microsoft services and apps and using a similar interface to WP in a bid to get people to interact with Microsoft's design philosophy and services. Their thinking is that people will really like what they see and their next devices will be fully fledged Windows Phones.

    Will it work? Only time will tell but it's a strategy that Microsoft are heavily invested in so while we might find it a little frustrating sometimes, I doubt any complaints we make will sway them from this strategy right now.
    Okay! Lets say that Microsoft's Strategy Works and Some Nokia X Users do switch to Lumia.. But dont you think that Microsoft first needs to improve its own apps on windows Phone.. For eg: Skype! We all know that Skype sucks on windows phone which is microsoft's own platform.. But its just amazing on other platforms..
    If a Nokia X user moves to a Nokia Lumia 930 he will find that all those apps sucks and he will consider the switch as the biggest mistake of his/her life! And this will severely hamper Microsoft's Reputation!


    Microsoft needs to improve apps on windows phone.. Atleast its own apps! Is it difficult for Microsoft to do so??
    06-27-2014 09:59 AM
  25. rodan01's Avatar
    I don't think they strategy is that Nokia X users will switch to Windows Phone. The OS is irrelevant, the important thing is to lock them into the Microsoft services.

    The Nokia X will receive the same level of support than Windows, and if it is successful in the low end they will launch a flagship phone.

    Android has 80% of market share, WP has 2%. Microsoft has to be pragmatic. If they build great services and a decent app store they could capture millions of happy Android users.

    Many operating systems will rise and fall with many type of devices. The glue that keep the experience consistent are the services.
    Visa Declined likes this.
    06-27-2014 11:58 AM
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