07-07-2014 11:44 AM
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  1. fonix232's Avatar
    I don't know much about Chromebooks, I don't know anybody buying or using one, I haven't even heard of a single person who did so. So I read the verdict here: Living with a Chromebook: can you use a Chromebook as your only laptop? - PC Advisor

    So, could you explain to me why I should buy this browser-machine over a tablet or a real laptop you can get for a similar price?
    It's quite simple. Web apps now cover a good part of what a regular guy/gal uses their computer for. There's web based video players, music players, apps, games, audio editing, picture editing, whatever you want. We transformed from an application-oriented society, where for every function you'd download an app, to a webservice-oriented society, where you just go on the internet and load the app.

    Chrome OS merges these two. Web apps, that work offline too. And given that you're mainly online, for simple office work, and daily use, a Chromebook is more than enough.
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    07-01-2014 10:24 AM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    I don't know much about Chromebooks, I don't know anybody buying or using one, I haven't even heard of a single person who did so. So I read the verdict here: Living with a Chromebook: can you use a Chromebook as your only laptop? - PC Advisor

    So, could you explain to me why I should buy this browser-machine over a tablet or a real laptop you can get for a similar price?
    I don't use a Chromebook, but my wife does. I can tell you what I see.

    She has a 17" HP laptop with Windows 8.1. I bought the Chromebook last fall because I wanted to try one out. It was a Black Friday special. I wasn't terribly impressed. But, I'm a power user. I work in IT and I have several Microsoft certifications. A lot of what I do could not be done on a Chromebook.

    My wife would be more the average computer user. Now, since we have the Chromebook, I see her using her PC when she's using Quicken for our personal finances. That's about it. Otherwise, she uses the Chromebook. Ha, I've already seen her using the Chromebook while it was sitting on top of the closed laptop! She knows her way around Windows 8.1 better than most users, but the Chromebook is faster and simpler to use for what she does most: Facebook, browsing, reading blogs, Hulu, etc.

    So to answer your question, you probably shouldn't buy a Chromebook. A lot of PC users, however, don't do anything with their PCs that couldn't be done with a Chromebook. And the Chromebook does have its advantages. It's fast, it's cheap (in general, not all of them are), it's simple, it's secure, and it's maintenance free. If you need to replace it, get a new one and log in. I work with customers some, and they are afraid of their computers. They have no clue how they work, and they only know how to do what they use them for. If anything different comes up, they're lost. The Chromebook is ideal for someone like that.
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    07-01-2014 10:29 AM
  3. Chregu's Avatar
    Okay, I see that. But what differentiates a Chromebook from a tablet then, the keyboard? And how limited is the device when there's no internet available?

    A laptop or a tablet are usually not used just at home, and they offer a lot of offline capabilities. I think needing a data plan to use it on the road could be quite an important negative aspect for many people.
    07-01-2014 10:38 AM
  4. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Most people don't need a full fledged OS that requires expensive hardware. Chrombooks are the future, Google is just starting to develop this platform. They got it right once again.
    Microsoft has to react soon and develop a consumer oriented OS.
    This is the new "Year of Desktop Linux" mantra, isn't it?
    07-01-2014 10:59 AM
  5. rodan01's Avatar
    This is the new "Year of Desktop Linux" mantra, isn't it?

    Chromebooks need a couple of years of development, so Microsoft has time to react.
    Windows is too complex, bloated and insecure for most people. Windows RT should be the OS for the masses. According to Foley the next version of RT won't have the desktop, for me that's great, but I think many won't like that.
    07-01-2014 11:19 AM
  6. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Sorry, I must have imagined this part:
    Oh yes it seem you did. Although I mentioned the Surface in my post 📮 it's not about or WP, js how the biggest school 🏫 districts are getting their students and staff W8.1 machines. And WP and why not the surface's family 👪 will benefit from this.
    07-01-2014 12:51 PM
  7. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Chromebooks need a couple of years of development, so Microsoft has time to react.Windows is too complex, bloated and insecure for most people. Windows RT should be the OS for the masses. According to Foley the next version of RT won't have the desktop, for me that's great, but I think many won't like that.
    Yep, Chrome is the new "Desktop Linux". Every year, there was talk about how Windows was "too complex, bloated, and insecure for most people". And then every year, people went out and bought hundreds of millions of Windows PCs. Oh, and the biggest problem with Chrome OS is the design. So unless they dramatically change everything about the design of the OS, this might get up to a vast 5% marketshare.
    07-01-2014 06:34 PM
  8. ohgood's Avatar
    1 So i guess the fear of computers "dying" and being replaced by smarphones and tablets aren't exactly true at all, if anything, this may actually be the growth of MS and PC in general. ..........






    2 If windows is made compulsory for all schools, MS may be able to secure a very profitable spot that no other companies would be able to get, it is almost saying that everyone in the future WILL experience windows. Wow.
    1 look at PC sales, they are flat. mobile is where it's at.


    2 well, yes, anyone that can secure a "compulsory" contract with the government is sitting pretty, but that basically means it's another corporation on welfare.
    07-01-2014 06:53 PM
  9. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    Lol, rt is dead, WP is going in the toilet fast and well we all know x86 rules the world so that's a given besides Android isn't in the PC business so the last is a moot point.
    07-01-2014 07:00 PM
  10. bilzkh's Avatar
    I don't get how Chromebooks "are the future" but Windows RT 'ought to die and stay dead.' Half of the time Microsoft's woes have to do with people's weird attitudes towards its products and services. For goodness sake, WTF can you do on a Chromebook that you couldn't on Windows RT device, especially when said RT device includes Office for free. Seriously, did human beings shut down the logical portion of their brain, did I miss the memo?

    Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that half of the fault also lies with Microsoft, with its weird "let's impose Redmond on the world" ideology, but still, you can't tell me Windows RT is less functional or worthy than Chrome OS. As it stands, Windows RT is the superior platform without an iota of doubt.

    For Threshold it'd be a good idea on Microsoft's part to continue pushing Windows RT through low-cost ARM-based hardware. If word about the new Start Menu replacing the Start Screen on non-touch devices is true, then it should be a good idea to push an RT variant on non-touch devices using ARM CPUs. In fact, this idea might serve to 'inflate' Windows purchases by pushing users to buy both touch and non-touch devices together, a laptop and tablet, a laptop and phone, etc. A strong rise in Universal Apps and the ability to run WP apps and games on Windows 8.x/RT would be a boon too.

    Hell, pair RT with Azure based services (offering desktop on cloud or applications on cloud), and you'd have a solid mix to push against Google in the enterprise and higher education markets.
    rodan01 and portalfocus like this.
    07-01-2014 07:49 PM
  11. rodan01's Avatar
    Yep, Chrome is the new "Desktop Linux". Every year, there was talk about how Windows was "too complex, bloated, and insecure for most people". And then every year, people went out and bought hundreds of millions of Windows PCs. Oh, and the biggest problem with Chrome OS is the design. So unless they dramatically change everything about the design of the OS, this might get up to a vast 5% marketshare.

    Google has to do the same job Microsoft is doing. They have to consolidate their development model, so they can use their army of Android developers in their desktop OS.
    In I/O they announced support for a few Android apps in Chrome OS. So they already started.
    Microsoft has to end this threat. Chromebooks have a number of advantages over Windows laptops that are appealing for millions of consumers. MS has to enter in that segment. Windows RT is perfect for the job.
    Comparisons with Linux aren't meaningful. Linux was an awful product only good for geeks. Linux never had the support of a tech giant even bigger than Microsoft in the consumer market.
    07-01-2014 07:58 PM
  12. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Google has to do the same job Microsoft is doing. They have to consolidate their development model, so they can use their army of Android developers in their desktop OS.
    In I/O they announced support for a few Android apps in Chrome OS. So they already started.
    Microsoft has to end this threat. Chromebooks have a number of advantages over Windows laptops that are appealing for millions of consumers. MS has to enter in that segment. Windows RT is perfect for the job.
    Comparisons with Linux aren't meaningful. Linux was an awful product only good for geeks. Linux never had the support of a tech giant even bigger than Microsoft in the consumer market.
    And Chrome OS is an awful product.

    So it's a good comparison.
    07-02-2014 09:17 AM
  13. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    But google hasn't abandoned chrome like Microsoft is doing with RT, yes it still gets updates but the lack of a surface 3 from Microsoft or any other company offering an RT tablet should be the writing on the wall that rt is dead.
    07-02-2014 10:43 AM
  14. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    I don't think RT is dead. Microsoft is patient with their products. They've stuck with WP even though it has been a slow slow rollout.
    07-02-2014 10:46 AM
  15. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    I don't think RT is dead. Microsoft is patient with their products. They've stuck with WP even though it has been a slow slow rollout.
    I think it is, you can get a full blown 8.1 tablet for less then an RT, the only reason rt sells what it does is because of free office and even then I believe the Lenovo x86 comes with office. I like my surface 2 but I don't think we're gonna see an rt3
    07-02-2014 10:55 AM
  16. troylytle's Avatar
    I think it is, you can get a full blown 8.1 tablet for less then an RT, the only reason rt sells what it does is because of free office and even then I believe the Lenovo x86 comes with office. I like my surface 2 but I don't think we're gonna see an rt3
    You haven't been reading headlines for the last month. There are projected 100-200 USD ranges for RT now. Even in the case of the Surface it is less than the Surface Pro.
    07-02-2014 11:03 AM
  17. DaT Franchise's Avatar
    Projected is the key word.
    07-02-2014 11:19 AM
  18. rodan01's Avatar
    I think it is, you can get a full blown 8.1 tablet for less then an RT, the only reason rt sells what it does is because of free office and even then I believe the Lenovo x86 comes with office. I like my surface 2 but I don't think we're gonna see an rt3


    The current rt is just Windows compiled for arm. So there aren't many differences in terms of usability, performance and battery life compared with x86 Windows.



    The next version is based on Windows phone. That could make possible laptops with cheap hardware, amazing battery life measured on days, and a simple UI optimized for content consumption. A secure, locked down machine that the user can't break, and without performance degradation for usage.
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    07-02-2014 11:33 AM
  19. ohgood's Avatar
    You haven't been reading headlines for the last month. There are projected 100-200 USD ranges for RT now. Even in the case of the Surface it is less than the Surface Pro.
    even at $100, what is the selling point for rt?
    07-02-2014 04:10 PM
  20. troylytle's Avatar
    even at $100, what is the selling point for rt?
    I'll answer that with, is it a product? Then they will sell it.
    07-02-2014 07:06 PM
  21. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    But google hasn't abandoned chrome like Microsoft is doing with RT, yes it still gets updates but the lack of a surface 3 from Microsoft or any other company offering an RT tablet should be the writing on the wall that rt is dead.
    RT is being molded with WP in early 2015.

    Also, the fact that they brought out a SP3 a mere 6 months after the SP2 was a sign that they had a huge change to bring to it. The lack of a Surface 3 right now only means they're not going to change it up much. It doesn't mean they're abandoning ARM. In fact, MJF spoke to Panos Panay who say they were still on board with RT and ARM on a "variety of sizes and form factors".
    07-03-2014 10:32 AM
  22. Witness's Avatar
    I don't use a Chromebook, but my wife does. I can tell you what I see.

    She has a 17" HP laptop with Windows 8.1...
    There's the problem right there. It's a desktop computer sitting on her lap. Replace that 17" HP behemoth for something like the Asus Transformer T100 which sells within the neighborhood of the Chromebook, and see how she does her computing. She could do her Quicken, then pull the tablet off the keyboard and couch surf all she wants all on the same device.
    portalfocus likes this.
    07-03-2014 03:35 PM
  23. tgp's Avatar
    There's the problem right there. It's a desktop computer sitting on her lap. Replace that 17" HP behemoth for something like the Asus Transformer T100 which sells within the neighborhood of the Chromebook, and see how she does her computing. She could do her Quicken, then pull the tablet off the keyboard and couch surf all she wants all on the same device.
    That could be the problem. There's also the possibility that she prefers using ChromeOS over Windows.
    07-03-2014 03:40 PM
  24. HeyCori's Avatar
    For being a failure, Windows RT has surprisingly high market share amongst Windows tablets.

    Latest AdDuplex data shows Microsoft as the leading Windows 8 tablet manufacturer | Windows Phone Central

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    07-03-2014 04:09 PM
  25. ohgood's Avatar
    For being a failure, Windows RT has surprisingly high market share amongst Windows tablets.

    Latest AdDuplex data shows Microsoft as the leading Windows 8 tablet manufacturer | Windows Phone Central

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    that piece of the pie looks impressive,





    until you look at the actual sales of ALL tablets, by os...


    Table 1: Worldwide Tablet Sales to End Users by Operating System, 2013 (Units)
    Operating System
    2013 Sales
    2013 Market Share (%)
    2012 Sales
    2012 Market Share (%)
    Android
    120,961,445
    61.9
    53,341,250
    45.8
    iOS
    70,400,159
    36.0
    61,465,632
    52.8
    Microsoft
    4,031,802
    2.1
    1,162,435
    1.0
    Others
    41,598
    <0.1
    379,000
    0.3
    Total
    195,435,004
    100.0
    116,348,317
    100.0
    Source: Gartner (February 2014)





    ... and realize that the 14% your pie showed was really so much less of the actual market.
    07-03-2014 06:46 PM
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