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  1. engineermoore's Avatar
    It's from BGR. Enough said....
    And iit ignores the data from every other country where windows phone has made big gains. You can make anything look true if you only choose data which backs up your story.
    07-02-2014 08:15 AM
  2. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Also, let's be real here, the progress of WP is ridiculously slow, I mean... It's been a couple of years so far and nothing major happened, there are simple and essential stuff that everyone needs and they don't do them and most would require a couple days of coding. I don't know what to say about the future, but if they keep this pace it's going to be a shipwreck in the next couple of years.
    Yet Apple releases one phone a year with the same boring interface and they are Gods.

    But yeah, I disagree with you. MS has been on a steam roll lately, making changes across their entire ecosystem. And compared to Android and especially Apple, MS has made copious amount of changes and updates. And speaking of Apple, what real changes have they done in the past two years? And yeah, their stuff "just works," but when you create something only to work with your own ecosystem, it's not that difficult. Most of MS's products and services are built to work across multiple platforms. iWork for Windows or Android? Nope. FaceTime? Nope. Find My Friends? Nope.

    With MS's list of things being 10x greater than both Android and Apple, I understand that it takes a little longer. MS offers over 30 IT and Professional services alone.

    They have been making great strides even with the recent inconveniences of app breaks. I remember the same thing when I was with Android.
    Last edited by jlzimmerman; 07-02-2014 at 08:41 AM.
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    07-02-2014 08:31 AM
  3. fiveaces01's Avatar
    I think most everyone here chose WP over all the other mobile phones out there because we truly liked the OS and all the possibilities it seemed to represent. I loved the fact that MS found a way to implement the old "early enthusiasts" program with the preview for developers and I have learned a lot from building and publishing an app in the store with all the resources that MS has made available to us for little or no cost. That being said, after reading seeing all the objections written here and at other Forums I can't help but feel that MS is not listening to our concerns about apps that aren't available don't work and some of them MS has no one to blame but their own employees. The Music App is SO obviously important to those of us that chose Windows for a phone that it should be a very high priority to their efforts. So should any other native apps and that is where all the outrage here is coming from...not one mistake in particular but a whole series of them.
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    07-02-2014 08:35 AM
  4. Dietrich Cleijne's Avatar
    I haven't got a clue what all this blabbering, ranting and raving is all about, but i have no issues wat so ever with my Lumia.
    Let me point out to you that lots of you are using the Developer Preview, which is not the official release, it's a test candidate.
    You shouldn't download and install Beta software if you don't wish to participate in the improvement proces, because that is what the DP is all about, nothing more, nothing less.

    My Lumia is still waiting for the official update, and it's working like advertised, it's a damn good machine.
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    07-02-2014 08:46 AM
  5. Pete's Avatar
    DP isn't beta software, neither is it a test candidate. It's an early release of the final version so that app developers can test their apps in the real world.
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    07-02-2014 08:51 AM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    There are no officially announced devices in the pipeline, and when we look at the current set-up it does really look bad.

    <snipped>

    As long as there is no real high-end device announced I really don't believe that Microsoft cares much about Windows Phone. Rumors on the main page that consist of "somebody said something will be great" don't really change that.
    The point being made was that MS is still investing in WP devices. Having new WP devices in the pipeline proves that. We can be sure of this despite the lack of official announcements. You've just likely missed all the product numbers recently showing up on AdDuplex.

    You are asking MS to announce a high end device now. At the same time, I read almost every day how MS announces things too early, because people are too impatient to wait for an announced product for more than a week. We can't have it both ways.

    I agree that the current line up is weak. I'm just willing to give MS some slack. We don't know what the situation was inside Nokia just before the purchase.
    07-02-2014 08:54 AM
  7. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I haven't got a clue what all this blabbering, ranting and raving is all about, but i have no issues wat so ever with my Lumia.
    Let me point out to you that lots of you are using the Developer Preview, which is not the official release, it's a test candidate.
    You shouldn't download and install Beta software if you don't wish to participate in the improvement proces, because that is what the DP is all about, nothing more, nothing less.

    My Lumia is still waiting for the official update, and it's working like advertised, it's a damn good machine.
    This simply isn't true. It is not true and it is not true. WP 8.1 is done and dusted and the team is working on GDR1 now.
    07-02-2014 08:59 AM
  8. a5cent's Avatar
    This simply isn't true. It is not true and it is not true. WP 8.1 is done and dusted and the team is working on GDR1 now.
    Correct. What is also true, is that WP8.1 can be done and dusted, and still exhibit very flaky behaviour, because none of the devices with the dev preview have firmware to match.

    There are still a ton of people who don't get that... some are just completely baffled by the fact that an older version of WP8.1 can exist on the 630 and work great, while newer versions of WP8.1 don't yet work as well on preview devices.

    My point is, that while WP8.1 was finished long ago, that doesn't mean we can expect things to work as well as a complete and final software package would. In other words, despite the preview not being a beta, it might help a lot of people's sanity if they thought of it as such regardless.

    On a side note: I'd be willing to bet that all the recent updates to WP8.1 didn't really improve the OS at all, but were rather just focused on getting the new OS to play better with the various older firmware versions on our devices.
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    07-02-2014 09:11 AM
  9. AngrySprintUser's Avatar
    As an ex iOS user, there was plenty of issues when their updates would role out as well, and lots of patches to fix them constantly. Just appears some people are viewing MS through a microscope while iOS users can be fed dog sh** and think it's filet mignon.
    07-02-2014 09:16 AM
  10. Chregu's Avatar
    The point being made was that MS is still investing in WP devices. Having new WP devices in the pipeline proves that. We can be sure of this despite the lack of official announcements. You've just likely missed all the product numbers recently showing up on AdDuplex.
    I have read about them, but as long as we don't know what's behind these numbers I don't care much. Once upon a time Nokia had an entire spectrum of different devices, the 520, the 620, the 720, the 820, the 920 and a little later the 1020. Now we have the 630, soon the 930 and the somewhat older 1520. That means behind none of these numbers has to be a high-end device, Microsoft might just return to the old portfolio.

    You are asking MS to announce a high end device now. At the same time, I read almost every day how MS announces things too early, because people are too impatient to wait for an announced product for more than a week. We can't have it both ways.
    I certainly don't want them to announce a high-end device. They are just releasing a phone priced as a high-end device at this moment, it wouldn't make any sense to announce another one right now. What they could have done is giving the 930 a lower number and sell it for a little bit more than the similar built Xperia Z1 (the 930 has a higher screen resolution and twice the memory, that's it). Then they would have had room for a real high-end device.

    Also it is true that I think it's questionable to announce a phone that much in advance, most of all because the 930 features mostly off-the-shelf components and it's being sold for months under a different name.

    I agree that the current line up is weak. I'm just willing to give MS some slack. We don't know what the situation was inside Nokia just before the purchase.
    Well, the current rumors are that there will be a high-end device announced in fall. If previous releases are anything to go by, it will take a few more months until this phone will hit stores. I'm not really excited about rumors like "3D gestures", for what I've seen in these tech videos, it provides no advantage to just hitting the screen. In addition the last 3D phone from Amazon was pretty disappointing. Also, instead of a implementing possibly gimmicky 3D function they would rather work on making the core experience better. All of that leaves me not really excited.

    Please don't get me wrong though, I want Microsoft to succeed, I think Windows Phone is great. And maybe there will be this incredible phone everybody is dreaming about. Just based on all the years I've been using Microsoft phones and Microsoft products in general, I can't really believe that. However, when I'll buy an iPhone 6 or an Android device based on this frustration in fall, that doesn't mean at all I won't be buying a Windows Phone device again.
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    07-02-2014 09:16 AM
  11. Chregu's Avatar
    As an ex iOS user, there was plenty of issues when their updates would role out as well, and lots of patches to fix them constantly. Just appears some people are viewing MS through a microscope while iOS users can be fed dog sh** and think it's filet mignon.
    Well, then Microsoft might have to learn how to sell a product and how to control public opinion. In my opinion that's a huge part of a business.
    07-02-2014 09:18 AM
  12. Hermes Negruzzi's Avatar
    Yet Apple releases one phone a year with the same boring interface and they are Gods.

    But yeah, I disagree with you. MS has been on a steam roll lately, making changes across their entire ecosystem. And compared to Android and especially Apple, MS has made copious amount of changes and updates. And speaking of Apple, what real changes have they done in the past two years? And yeah, their stuff "just works," but when you create something only to work with your own ecosystem, it's not that difficult. Most of MS's products and services are built to work across multiple platforms. iWork for Windows or Android? Nope. FaceTime? Nope. Find My Friends? Nope.

    With MS's list of things being 10x greater than both Android and Apple, I understand that it takes a little longer. MS offers over 30 IT and Professional services alone.

    They have been making great strides even with the recent inconveniences of app breaks. I remember the same thing when I was with Android.
    Dude, it's 2014. Microsoft doesn't thrive as it should because Android and iOS are pretty mature if you ask me, both the OS and the apps. WP as an OS is ok, still needs a few tweaks and that's it, but the apps... really?
    07-02-2014 09:25 AM
  13. DavidinCT's Avatar
    DP isn't beta software, neither is it a test candidate. It's an early release of the final version so that app developers can test their apps in the real world.
    I'm going to partly agree with you here. Yes, the main point of the DP is for devs to test new code against to watch for bugs, as the subsystem on 8.1 will not be changed accept for big fixes.

    On the other side, I feel that it's a PUBLIC beta test, as I would say about 95% of the people on here who installed DP are NOT devs. If Microsoft wanted this to be just for DEVS, they would of locked it down to past devs who have released apps in the past, and lock it down. They do this type of stuff all the time.

    This is the same crap again, people seem to complain about everything, good or bad, it's just human nature. Maybe Microsoft should of not released this publicly like they did, and make us all wait till our carriers release it ? This was the program that Microsoft said they would do when WP8 was announced, people complained when it didn't happen, now it did, they get a little buggy code and they hate Microsoft.

    People need to get over this, Yes, No matter what Microsoft says, the DP is a pubic beta test, to find all the little issues and hear the feedback. This is the best way Microsoft can work through all the bugs found (note a few update so far because of the issues) to make WIndows Phone as stable and solid as possible. If you know anything about how development works, when you believe you have final code, you want to get it in as many hands as possible to debug the issues, this is so you can hear what people like, and what people hate and change what code is needed to fix possible issues, so when the final hits, it will be almost 100% bug free because everyone found it.

    With this being said, Once the final is released from your carrier with the phone firmware, AND you still have problems, then you have every right to complain. You signed up for software with some possible unfinished code, and this is what you have right now...

    So, everyone, shut up, deal with the little issues, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL version from your carrier, Then you can complain.
    07-02-2014 09:35 AM
  14. Chregu's Avatar
    So, everyone, shut up, deal with the little issues, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL version from your carrier, Then you can complain.
    If we don't complain, how will Microsoft notice the issues? :P
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    07-02-2014 09:37 AM
  15. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I'm going to partly agree with you here. Yes, the main point of the DP is for devs to test new code against to watch for bugs, as the subsystem on 8.1 will not be changed accept for big fixes.

    On the other side, I feel that it's a PUBLIC beta test, as I would say about 95% of the people on here who installed DP are NOT devs. If Microsoft wanted this to be just for DEVS, they would of locked it down to past devs who have released apps in the past, and lock it down. They do this type of stuff all the time.

    This is the same crap again, people seem to complain about everything, good or bad, it's just human nature. Maybe Microsoft should of not released this publicly like they did, and make us all wait till our carriers release it ? This was the program that Microsoft said they would do when WP8 was announced, people complained when it didn't happen, now it did, they get a little buggy code and they hate Microsoft.

    People need to get over this, Yes, No matter what Microsoft says, the DP is a pubic beta test, to find all the little issues and hear the feedback. This is the best way Microsoft can work through all the bugs found (note a few update so far because of the issues) to make WIndows Phone as stable and solid as possible.

    With this being said, Once the final is released from your carrier with the phone firmware, AND you still have problems, then you have every right to complain. You signed up for software with some possible unfinished code, and this is what you have right now...

    So, everyone, shut up, deal with the little issues, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL version from your carrier, Then you can complain.
    Um...I have a 630...so....can I complain now?
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    07-02-2014 09:41 AM
  16. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I'm going to partly agree with you here. Yes, the main point of the DP is for devs to test new code against to watch for bugs, as the subsystem on 8.1 will not be changed accept for big fixes.

    On the other side, I feel that it's a PUBLIC beta test, as I would say about 95% of the people on here who installed DP are NOT devs. If Microsoft wanted this to be just for DEVS, they would of locked it down to past devs who have released apps in the past, and lock it down. They do this type of stuff all the time.

    This is the same crap again, people seem to complain about everything, good or bad, it's just human nature. Maybe Microsoft should of not released this publicly like they did, and make us all wait till our carriers release it ? This was the program that Microsoft said they would do when WP8 was announced, people complained when it didn't happen, now it did, they get a little buggy code and they hate Microsoft.

    People need to get over this, Yes, No matter what Microsoft says, the DP is a pubic beta test, to find all the little issues and hear the feedback. This is the best way Microsoft can work through all the bugs found (note a few update so far because of the issues) to make WIndows Phone as stable and solid as possible. If you know anything about how development works, when you believe you have final code, you want to get it in as many hands as possible to debug the issues, this is so you can hear what people like, and what people hate and change what code is needed to fix possible issues, so when the final hits, it will be almost 100% bug free because everyone found it.

    With this being said, Once the final is released from your carrier with the phone firmware, AND you still have problems, then you have every right to complain. You signed up for software with some possible unfinished code, and this is what you have right now...

    So, everyone, shut up, deal with the little issues, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL version from your carrier, Then you can complain.
    Oh and by the way, this is what they call a straw man fallacy. My point was that the OS is good but nothing special and apps like Skype and XBM are buggy and have always been and your response is dev preview? Seriously. No.
    07-02-2014 09:44 AM
  17. DavidinCT's Avatar
    If we don't complain, how will Microsoft notice the issues? :P
    Saying issues is one thing, staying that Microsoft is screwing you or mocking you, is different. This is what this thread is about and tons of others like it.

    People need to grow up and report issues as you see them, not to continue to flame Microsoft because one feature does not work like "YOU" think it should.

    There is a point of being productive and I will tell you one thing, threads like this are NOT productive, they just feed the fire for iOS and Android users. And could possible pull people away from WP, something we cant afford with under 3-5% of the market share.

    Oh and by the way, this is what they call a straw man fallacy. My point was that the OS is good but nothing special and apps like Skype and XBM are buggy and have always been and your response is dev preview? Seriously. No.
    Yep and you will continue to see buggy issues. THIS IS A PREVIEW, the apps could have things in them expected for final firmware code.

    Windows phone 8 has been stable, there has been some apps that are buggy to start with, maybe Skype is for you but, is that a reason to bash the OS ?

    Yea, at this point if your having issues with the DP, role back to WP 8.0 GDR3, and see if it works out for you. Again, preview and posable beta code, same with a lot of 8.1 apps

    If your having a lot of problems with the preview program and don't understand how to deal with them or cant deal with them, You should of not ever installed it to start with.
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    07-02-2014 09:45 AM
  18. rodan01's Avatar
    The problem is lack of communication. If Microsoft would inform that DP has these issues because the OS needs the new firmware, then people wouldn't be complaining that much.
    07-02-2014 09:46 AM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    If we don't complain, how will Microsoft notice the issues? :P
    I assure you, just 5% of the whining done on WPC would suffice.

    Actually, people could stop complaining here altogether and invest just a bit of that time on Joe's twitter account... that would likely work even better.
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    07-02-2014 09:48 AM
  20. a5cent's Avatar
    The problem is lack of communication. If Microsoft would inform that DP has these issues because the OS needs the new firmware, then people wouldn't be complaining that much.
    How can I add another 100 likes to that statement?

    MS needs to start treating their use base like competent partners. Not like a hord that just deserves a few boring marketing tweets every few weeks.

    FALSE expectations, not knowing what to expect, or not being able to participate or understand what is going on inside MS is the number one problem.
    07-02-2014 09:51 AM
  21. DavidinCT's Avatar
    The problem is lack of communication. If Microsoft would inform that DP has these issues because the OS needs the new firmware, then people wouldn't be complaining that much.
    That is something I could agree with 100%.....Corporate 101..and if you have been in ANY Microsoft tests or previews in the past, it's something that Microsoft does not do.
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    07-02-2014 09:54 AM
  22. Chregu's Avatar
    I assure you, just 5% of the whining done on WPC would suffice.
    This is really offtopic, but I wanted to mention that this made me laugh ;-)
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    07-02-2014 09:57 AM
  23. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I assure you, just 5% of the whining done on WPC would suffice.

    Actually, people could stop complaining here altogether and invest just a bit of that time on Joe's twitter account... that would likely work even better.
    Yeah I really do spend some time sending some actually constructive criticism to him. Even a dismissive K would suffice sometimes.
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    07-02-2014 10:20 AM
  24. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Saying issues is one thing, staying that Microsoft is screwing you or mocking you, is different. This is what this thread is about and tons of others like it.

    People need to grow up and report issues as you see them, not to continue to flame Microsoft because one feature does not work like "YOU" think it should.

    There is a point of being productive and I will tell you one thing, threads like this are NOT productive, they just feed the fire for iOS and Android users. And could possible pull people away from WP, something we cant afford with under 3-5% of the market share.



    Yep and you will continue to see buggy issues. THIS IS A PREVIEW, the apps could have things in them expected for final firmware code.

    Windows phone 8 has been stable, there has been some apps that are buggy to start with, maybe Skype is for you but, is that a reason to bash the OS ?

    Yea, at this point if your having issues with the DP, role back to WP 8.0 GDR3, and see if it works out for you. Again, preview and posable beta code, same with a lot of 8.1 apps

    If your having a lot of problems with the preview program and don't understand how to deal with them or cant deal with them, You should of not ever installed it to start with.
    I have a 630 CAN I COMPLAIN NOW!
    07-02-2014 10:21 AM
  25. Geddeeee's Avatar
    I'm going to partly agree with you here. Yes, the main point of the DP is for devs to test new code against to watch for bugs, as the subsystem on 8.1 will not be changed accept for big fixes.

    On the other side, I feel that it's a PUBLIC beta test, as I would say about 95% of the people on here who installed DP are NOT devs. If Microsoft wanted this to be just for DEVS, they would of locked it down to past devs who have released apps in the past, and lock it down. They do this type of stuff all the time.

    This is the same crap again, people seem to complain about everything, good or bad, it's just human nature. Maybe Microsoft should of not released this publicly like they did, and make us all wait till our carriers release it ? This was the program that Microsoft said they would do when WP8 was announced, people complained when it didn't happen, now it did, they get a little buggy code and they hate Microsoft.

    People need to get over this, Yes, No matter what Microsoft says, the DP is a pubic beta test, to find all the little issues and hear the feedback. This is the best way Microsoft can work through all the bugs found (note a few update so far because of the issues) to make WIndows Phone as stable and solid as possible. If you know anything about how development works, when you believe you have final code, you want to get it in as many hands as possible to debug the issues, this is so you can hear what people like, and what people hate and change what code is needed to fix possible issues, so when the final hits, it will be almost 100% bug free because everyone found it.

    With this being said, Once the final is released from your carrier with the phone firmware, AND you still have problems, then you have every right to complain. You signed up for software with some possible unfinished code, and this is what you have right now...

    So, everyone, shut up, deal with the little issues, WHEN YOU GET YOUR FINAL version from your carrier, Then you can complain.
    This is a great answer!!!!

    I agree totally. Every little thing that goes wrong is somehow the fault of MS. They are trying to cater to everyone's needs, and it must be frustrating to hear all the disapproval. So what if the in-built music player is lacking. it will get fixed I'm sure. It's not, as people have pointed out a 'deal breaker'. If the OS as a whole was complete garbage, then I would be inclined to agree. And the people with problems are trying to sync over 20GB of music,
    I have about 500 songs on a Class 2 SD card, and the music player works fine. No hiccups or glitches (I must admit that the noise at the end of a song grates after a while, but I can live with it!! That's a known API bug, so no biggie...)

    WPC now stands for Whiney Phone Central.

    We got a Windows Phone because the alternatives are dreadful, and WP8, despite the little bugs, is delightful to use.

    Neither Google or Apple are brave enough to release a complete 'Developer Preview'. If they did, the list of bugs and incomplete features would clog the forums. Look at the recent Android L. Incomplete doesn't describe it!!! MS should be applauded for their openess in doing what they have done.

    So let's get behind MS and stop all this childish whining. It's annoying to say the least.
    I agree that there are genuine little quirks and anomalies, and these have a place on these forums.

    I'm sure MS ARE listening, despite what you think. Why else do we have Action Centre etc...???

    If you aren't happy with the direction WP is going in, then go to Android or iOS. I'm sure we'll see you back here sometime soon......
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    07-02-2014 11:01 AM
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