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  1. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    First Skype, then Xbox Music, then Calendar. When will we say enough is enough? Even BlackBerry is releasing relatively stable updates. Thinking of i logically, yes 8.0 to 8.1 was a big jump, but thy should'e done more. A lot more. They had 18 months to finish it and yet they are still not there.
    They regularly botch updates, the OS is becoming laggy at times, I mean. WHY are we even loyal to WP is what I wonder sometimes? Even the beautiful startscreen is ruined by lag
    /endrant


    Edit:
    Just to make it clear
    "Taking the **** is a British term meaning to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be unreasonable. It is often used to mean (or confused with) taking the **** out of, which is an expression meaning to mock, tease, ridicule, or scoff.[1] It is also not to be confused with "taking a ****", which refers to the act of urinating. Taking the Mickey (Mickey Bliss, Cockney rhyming slang) or taking the Michael is another term for making fun of someone."



    Further Edit: I have a 630 so please do not mention the word preview or I will decapitate you virtually :)
    Last edited by Ebuka Allison; 07-03-2014 at 01:00 PM.
    07-01-2014 03:16 PM
  2. fardream's Avatar
    I honestly think windows phone deserves to fail and Joe Belfiore should be fired.
    07-01-2014 03:28 PM
  3. fdalbor's Avatar
    I hate to say it; but in many ways you have a point. Thats why I left my and my family's four Nokia's on 8.0 and they are going to stay there until the official 8.1/cyan is pushed out. Microsoft seems to being making a bit of a mess out of this whole update thing. But all of our four phones are working great and we have not gotten any of the bad updates yet. I hope they get things straightened out; but I think they are not doing the popularity of WP8 any good. Plus with the lack of new phones and the update problems it almost seems like they are trying to keep their market share low. It looks like they are putting the mickey in us not out. (Mickey Mouse).
    07-01-2014 03:34 PM
  4. Guytronic's Avatar
    Typical case of give the consumer what they cry for then pound on you for doing it.
    07-01-2014 03:34 PM
  5. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Typical case of give the consumer what they cry for then pound on you for doing it.
    I remember all those times I wished the music apps live tile could just go away, and when I was pissed off that I could edit my calendar entries. I remeber wanting my start screen to lag (it did in 8.0, thought 8.1 would fix it)
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    07-01-2014 03:37 PM
  6. a5cent's Avatar
    I wasn't aware that I had any mickey in me, but if I do, I'm definitely not letting anyone take it! That I am sure about!
    07-01-2014 03:56 PM
  7. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I wasn't aware that I had any mickey in me, but if I do, I'm definitely not letting anyone take it! That I am sure about!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_**** overactive censor bot skinned the URL.
    Taking the p$%$ is a British term meaning to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be unreasonable. It is often used to mean (or confused with) taking the **** out of, which is an expression meaning to mock, tease, ridicule, or scoff.[1] It is also not to be confused with "taking a ****", which refers to the act of urinating. Taking the Mickey (Mickey Bliss, Cockney rhyming slang) or taking the Michael is another term for making fun of someone.
    Laura Knotek and a5cent like this.
    07-01-2014 04:00 PM
  8. rodan01's Avatar
    IMO the roll out of 8.1 has been a disaster. The preview is unstable and has perf problems in my phone. Only one device launched with the new OS. It's like they're doing a poor job o they don't have any faith in this release.
    I still want to see modern UI 2.0 before abandoning the ship.
    07-01-2014 04:24 PM
  9. Andrew Gordon's Avatar
    http://bgr.com/2014/07/01/windows-ph...nius+Report%29

    Maybe they can see the writing on the wall and don't care any longer. :(
    07-01-2014 04:27 PM
  10. Great deal's Avatar
    IS doing my nut in, im off to the battleship cruiser me ol china :P
    07-01-2014 04:27 PM
  11. a5cent's Avatar
    Windows Phone market share: Crash and burn | BGR

    Maybe they can see the writing on the wall and don't care any longer. :(
    That is nonsense.

    If they didn't care, there wouldn't be any more devices in the pipeline. You don't invest money in something you don't care about. It's also very unlikely that a CEO who just recently proclaimed 'cloud and mobile first', would turn around two months later and decide to abandon their only mobile efforts that are having any success at all.
    07-01-2014 04:53 PM
  12. Stefan Holder's Avatar
    All this crying and moaning over a preview software. Look guys, lets be real here. For those of us running the DP, please remember that its just that.. A developer preview. Bug and glitches are expected. Botched apps will be expected also. Remember we are running these bits without official updated firmware from our respective device OEMs. So, the calendar update was a dud.. Alright, hang tight and wait for it to be fixed. You guys think, WP is the only platform that experiences these types of issues with an official app? Google's Hangout app is hella buggy from the start and till now haven't been fixed yet. Apple's iOS had a disaster with their Maps app launch. Lets cut with the bitchin. Stuff breaks. Its inevitable. I'm sure MS have heard the cries and are actively working to solve the problem.
    07-01-2014 05:02 PM
  13. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    All this crying and moaning over a preview software. Look guys, lets be real here. For those of us running the DP, please remember that its just that.. A developer preview. Bug and glitches are expected. Botched apps will be expected also. Remember we are running these bits without official updated firmware from our respective device OEMs. So, the calendar update was a dud.. Alright, hang tight and wait for it to be fixed. You guys think, WP is the only platform that experiences these types of issues with an official app? Google's Hangout app is hella buggy from the start and till now haven't been fixed yet. Apple's iOS had a disaster with their Maps app launch. Lets cut with the bitchin. Stuff breaks. Its inevitable. I'm sure MS have heard the cries and are actively working to solve the problem.
    -630 or is that running preview software as well?
    07-01-2014 05:07 PM
  14. paulxxwall's Avatar
    All this crying and moaning over a preview software. Look guys, lets be real here. For those of us running the DP, please remember that its just that.. A developer preview. Bug and glitches are expected. Botched apps will be expected also. Remember we are running these bits without official updated firmware from our respective device OEMs. So, the calendar update was a dud.. Alright, hang tight and wait for it to be fixed. You guys think, WP is the only platform that experiences these types of issues with an official app? Google's Hangout app is hella buggy from the start and till now haven't been fixed yet. Apple's iOS had a disaster with their Maps app launch. Lets cut with the bitchin. Stuff breaks. Its inevitable. I'm sure MS have heard the cries and are actively working to solve the problem.
    yeah the 630 us not running dev prev
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    07-01-2014 05:16 PM
  15. Craigtrain's Avatar
    I mean. WHY are we even loyal to WP is what I wonder sometimes?
    Being loyal to ANY company is nonsense, and I just don't know why I keep reading comments like these. We are consumers, we don't owe these large companies anything. If you're unhappy using Windows Phone, move on to something that makes you happy.
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    07-01-2014 05:18 PM
  16. a5cent's Avatar
    I think people in the WP community shift into panic mode real fast. When it comes to emotional stability, every girlfriend I've had trumps WPC. I suspect that just comes with the uncertainties of buying into a minority ecosystem.

    Yes, the calendar issue is a bit much. Someone likely will lose their job over that. But software engineers are also just humans. Not a person here can honestly say the company they work for didn't make a single mistake during the last year. It happens.

    There is no denying that WP is going through a rough patch. Unfortunately, MS can't really afford those. Not the way Google and Apple can. If this were iMore, we'd be told the calendar works fine and that we're just holding it wrong :-/

    Can MS do better? Of course. Is this accurately represented by WPC's emotional mood swings. Not even close.
    07-01-2014 05:24 PM
  17. rodan01's Avatar
    yeah the 630 us not running dev prev

    Does the 630 have these issues?
    07-01-2014 05:28 PM
  18. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I think people in the WP community shift into panic mode real fast. When it comes to emotional stability, every girlfriend I've had trumps WPC. I suspect that just comes with the uncertainties of buying into a minority ecosystem.

    Yes, the calendar issue is a bit much. Someone likely will lose their job over that. But software engineers are also just humans. Not a person here can honestly say the company they work for didn't make a single mistake during the last year. It happens.

    There is no denying that WP is going through a rough patch. Unfortunately, MS can't really afford those. Not the way Google and Apple can. If this were iMore, we'd be told the calendar works fine and that we're just holding it wrong :-/

    Can MS do better? Of course. Is this accurately represented by WPC's emotional mood swings. Not even close.
    And that really is the problem. I like my WP, I really do. The issue is, I'm not convinced Microsoft likes it as much as me.(Also yes people shift into panic mode easily). Thing is, I bought my Lunias on my allowance. In 8.0 The start screen was really the only thing I wanted fixed(backgrounds and less reloading). 8.1 is awesome, but hasn't fixed the reloading issues and has introduced the Xbox music issue. Now I play music everyday, and I legitimately feel like crying when I get an error or 10. It's like the app hates me. I've other music apps, but Mixradio is crap and being unable to edit the album art is just a PITA. Skype being a POS just adds to it. If WO had the best Skype mobile, the best Xbox music etc, then yeah. But when MS appears to favor other platforms to the point of even being careless with updates to its own apps like the games app and the calendar app even Onedrive had a duplicate problem IIRC, I mean really. Facepalm*
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    07-01-2014 05:42 PM
  19. Great deal's Avatar
    I think people in the WP community shift into panic mode real fast. When it comes to emotional stability, every girlfriend I've had trumps WPC. I suspect that just comes with the uncertainties of buying into a minority ecosystem.

    Yes, the calendar issue is a bit much. Someone likely will lose their job over that. But software engineers are also just humans. Not a person here can honestly say the company they work for didn't make a single mistake during the last year. It happens.

    There is no denying that WP is going through a rough patch. Unfortunately, MS can't really afford those. Not the way Google and Apple can. If this were iMore, we'd be told the calendar works fine and that we're just holding it wrong :-/

    Can MS do better? Of course. Is this accurately represented by WPC's emotional mood swings. Not even close.
    How many mistakes is too much is the decision we all have to make as individuals. For the CTO's and IT heads that have deployed or are considering deploying WP8.1 then it may be them that end up being fired as well. We don't know how much real money has been lost due to the app screw up. In my eyes the list is growing...

    Windows 8 (MS are back peddling to bring the start button back)
    WP - in terms of basic features its always been playing catchup - they really do make life harder for themselves though
    Skype - How long do they need to sort this out?
    Xbox Music - Same as Skype - ridiculous!
    Calendar - Essential component - and they havnt bothered to press a few buttons to release the previous version.
    Surface Tablet - screen issues and its dead in the water now
    Surface Pro 2 - Wifi and BT issues
    Surface Pro 3 - Hand placement issues and Wifi issues as well

    Its not too much to ask for a product that I pay for to work as advertised is it? I think I've given MS enough chances, I can live in the Microsoft ecosystem without a Windows Phone, McLaren with 8.1 better work or ill make sure the door doesn't hit me on the way out !
    07-01-2014 06:10 PM
  20. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    That is nonsense.

    If they didn't care, there wouldn't be any more devices in the pipeline. You don't invest money in something you don't care about. It's also very unlikely that a CEO who just recently proclaimed 'cloud and mobile first', would turn around two months later and decide to abandon their only mobile efforts that are having any success at all.
    Actually, there ARE reasons for investing money in something you don't "care" about. There are contractual obligations and agreements, tax liability and benefit issues, public perception, etc. that would cause a company to produce a product that they didn't care about.

    Look at Microsoft's track record for a reasonable example of what the future holds. Historically speaking, Windows Phone 8/8.1 is on borrowed time. Microsoft is reaching the 4 year anniversary of this OS generation and with that, time to for them to re-re-reboot their mobile OS. (since 2000, they have rebooted their mobile OS nearly every 4 years)

    I suspect that there is an internal shift of resources from the current WP 8/8.1 and onto the "next thing" that is based on the universal Windows app framework they revealed at this year's //build/ conference.
    07-01-2014 06:24 PM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    Actually, there ARE reasons for investing money in something you don't "care" about. There are contractual obligations and agreements, tax liability and benefit issues, public perception, etc. that would cause a company to produce a product that they didn't care about.
    Ever heard of Kin? Or any of the dozens of software development technologies MS discontinued from one day to the next? Or WP7? Or WM6.5? Yup. It's not like MS has a track record of continuing product series they'd rather dump. Quite the opposite I'd say.

    If you want to speculate that MS has incompeteltly maneuvered themselves into a position where they must build WP devices they have absolutely no interest in building, and that MS research is working on 3D touch despite having absolutely no interest in pushing WP devices, well, be my guest. Of course I can't prove you are wrong, but I think it's a far safer bet to speculate in the opposite direction.
    07-01-2014 06:52 PM
  22. a5cent's Avatar
    Its not too much to ask for a product that I pay for to work as advertised is it?
    Skype being a POS just adds to it. If WO had the best Skype mobile, the best Xbox music etc, then yeah. But when MS appears to favor other platforms to the point of even being careless with updates to its own apps like the games app and the calendar app even Onedrive had a duplicate problem IIRC, I mean really. Facepalm*
    I still want to see modern UI 2.0 before abandoning the ship.
    Look guys. It's not like I don't understand you. I do. I've been frustrated before to. Particularly Skype really gets under my skin.

    I'm just putting up resistance because I feel the level of whininess has gotten a bit out of control here lately. Particularly in comparison to the problems we actually have. Hop over to AC or iMore and you'll see it's not all roses and cookies over there either. Not everything works as advertised there either.
    07-01-2014 07:06 PM
  23. rodan01's Avatar
    Actually, there ARE reasons for investing money in something you don't "care" about. There are contractual obligations and agreements, tax liability and benefit issues, public perception, etc. that would cause a company to produce a product that they didn't care about.

    Look at Microsoft's track record for a reasonable example of what the future holds. Historically speaking, Windows Phone 8/8.1 is on borrowed time. Microsoft is reaching the 4 year anniversary of this OS generation and with that, time to for them to re-re-reboot their mobile OS. (since 2000, they have rebooted their mobile OS nearly every 4 years)

    I suspect that there is an internal shift of resources from the current WP 8/8.1 and onto the "next thing" that is based on the universal Windows app framework they revealed at this year's //build/ conference.



    I think that could be the case. Rumors are they're merging Windows RT and Windows Phone. So, 8.1 could be a transition to the major release of Windows and Office in 2015.

    That's the optimistic view, something big coming, soon..
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    07-01-2014 07:11 PM
  24. aximtreo's Avatar
    One thing occurs to me as I read the knocking and the supporting of MS. It wasn't a great decision to release 8.1 when they did but it wasn't a disaster either. MS has collected a lot of data from a lot of sources during this Pre release period.

    I believe that some of the problems with the basic 8.1 might be partially due to some hardware decisions made before the release.Not many manufacturers have put out software that updates all of the previous models of phones from Nokia. I don't think we will have that luxury for future hardware and software releases. Some of the hardware decisions has to do with display technology. I have the ICON. It's suppose to be a top of the line phone yet it doesn't offer Glance, one of the things I really miss. I'm upset but those are some of the things we put up with when we stay on the cutting edge.
    Give MS all the screaming and criticizing you want. I hope they stay the course and I hope things smooth out. But, and I really mean this, but, no matter what they do; some of us will never be happy.
    07-01-2014 07:11 PM
  25. wpn00b's Avatar
    I honestly think windows phone deserves to fail and Joe Belfiore should be fired.
    Lol, it really isn't that serious. If you made a mistake I'd expect for you to be coached to but not fired.

    Also, its actually reactively stable other than the developer preview. I'm more than happy to share my diagnostic reports to fix the bugs I find.
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    07-01-2014 07:46 PM
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