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  1. Great deal's Avatar
    Gave TV away and get no ads via email or online anymore so cant say I've seen them. Right now MS doesn't have much to shout about, they have no devices that compare to the competition (the 930 is just a smaller 1520 with year old internals) Win 8.1 is not properly rolled out yet and for them to shout about it now and in say 3 weeks a major flaw is discovered then that's that in the media's eyes.

    MS will definitely do something 'all out' on the mobile front im sure, as soon as their recent purchase of Nokia and staff, systems and processes have been aligned and teams work together closer than ever to bring amazing tech. Their 'special announcement' may well be the spring board they need. Right now they are keeping their heads down and plugging away. Maybe we will see a Surface Phone?
    07-03-2014 04:24 PM
  2. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Gave TV away and get no ads via email or online anymore so cant say I've seen them. Right now MS doesn't have much to shout about, they have no devices that compare to the competition (the 930 is just a smaller 1520 with year old internals) Win 8.1 is not properly rolled out yet and for them to shout about it now and in say 3 weeks a major flaw is discovered then that's that in the media's eyes.

    MS will definitely do something 'all out' on the mobile front im sure, as soon as their recent purchase of Nokia and staff, systems and processes have been aligned and teams work together closer than ever to bring amazing tech. Their 'special announcement' may well be the spring board they need. Right now they are keeping their heads down and plugging away. Maybe we will see a Surface Phone?
    Time is not on their side, as they wait and lollygag about what they should be doing with Windows Phone, Apple and Samsung are putting millions of new phones into the pockets of the consumers. The Icon/930 & 1520 are on par with the technical specs of both the iPhone 5S and Samsung Galaxy S5 as of right now. In many reviews the Icon/930 & 1520 are beating the iPhone 5S and Galaxy S5, so by no means is their hardware too antiquated to be pushing right now.

    As I said in the OP, if their marketing efforts don't increase after the Cyan rollout I am going to begin having more serious doubts about Windows Phone's future especially for the US, the market data does not look good. After Cyan is out they need to push the Icon/930 & 1520 hard until the McLaren and the other 8.1 models are ready to come out. You don't see Apple abandoning their 5S and 5C marketing just because the iPhone 6 is on the way.
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    07-03-2014 04:37 PM
  3. afgzee's Avatar
    It's almost enraging at how bad Microsoft's advertising and public relations is these days. It doesn't matter how good the product is if consumers don't know about, I stumbled upon Windows Phone thanks to Nokia's efforts not Microsoft's.
    same here, was thanks to Nokia also.
    07-03-2014 04:44 PM
  4. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    My 1520 is my first WP, but my Z30 is my. . . . I can't keep track of how many Blackberries I've had and loved going back to my first smartphones, so I bring that perspective to the thread. Blackberry was a novelty to the tech press, then a phenomenon, then an institution, then a slowing behemoth, then in a dead stall and now. . . . a kind of curious oddity by virtue of its insistence in soldiering on. The Tech Press, IMHO, has long been inbedded (sp.) with IOS and/or Android, that's where the most eyeballs are, the most clicks. Blackberry was the **** of jokes and dancing on its grave (even at launch events) was a means of currying favor and for the Tech press to demonstrate loyalty to the market leaders.

    Anti-Windows bias, in contrast to the mildly malignant indifference to Blackberry, goes way, way back to the early ages of mass personal computing. Not an easy history to negate, however shiny or clever your ad campaign is. I don't think WP ads are bad, its just that in the US at least, they are all but invisible. I take some heart that MS is having some penetration with their Surface ads, so they are capable of attracting attention when motivated and funded. MS has resources that Blackberry does not, to counteract negative coverage and to withstand slow sales. I am not altogether sold on the value of ad campaigns for smartphones anyway. Sure, they help around the edges, but it seems a strange market, self-informed and largely driven through carrier-connections in carrier stores. Apple and Android still have the run of almost every smartphone retail outlet in the US. The carrier stores are always pushing either a certain Android or the Iphone and are all-but-hiding the other alternatives. I think the Lumia line has laid the groundwork and the 8.1 OS and beyond are more than competitive whereby MS can now bring some of its economic might to start making inroads. I am also hopeful that the new Blackberry models coming out by the end of the year will also open a few eyes.

    Android may be a juggernaut and Apple, well whenever they get around to releasing the My Big Fat Iphone the trained tech press will sit up and bray like donkeys and that will use up most of the oxygen. Truth for me is that Apple has been as dull as dishwater for a long time now but some see that as a by-product of their having already attained perfection. Google and Apple represent huge, tectonic elemental economic forces and can not be lightly or quickly moved from their predominating positions. But their tremendous accumulated inertia does not render them impossibly impervious. It is an enormous undertaking and challenge and beyond shiny tv spots and jingles. Microsoft has always played a masterful long game.
    They have only played a "masterful long game" back in the days of desktop PC's in this mobile tech era they're stumbling more than anyone is willing to admit. Look at their Zune travesty, it was a great piece hardware and in some ways better than the iPod, but the marketing woes of Microsoft combined with their Lolly gagging made it incredibly easy for Apple and its brilliant advertising to crush any hopes of the Zune ever being a credible iPod competitor. The same would've happened to the original Xbox had it not been for the excellent games pumping out of Microsoft Games Studio. Microsoft has always made damn good hardware when they venture into hardware but their marketing is just a joke.
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    07-03-2014 04:48 PM
  5. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    same here, was thanks to Nokia also.
    Makes you wonder if Microsoft was smart enough to include Nokia's marketing division in the purchase of Nokia's handset division.
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    07-03-2014 04:50 PM
  6. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    True there's absolutely an anti-Microsoft attitude out there mostly it's among the tech savvy crowd with 90% of them being too young to really have first hand experience with the true evil empire days of Microsoft in the 70's 80's and 90's, being a Microsoft hater is just a trendy in vogue thing in the tech world. Having said all that however the mainstream consumer has far less brand loyalty toward any specific product or platform. Microsoft stole millions of video gamers away from Sony and Nintendo back when they were the two console titans, if they can survive and overcome that duopoly's barrier of entry than they can with WP too. But only if their advertising gets dramatically better.
    The did get some market share from Sony....but it didn't last long at all. Microsoft backed analog and had their hat handed to them and shown the door with HDMI and bluray and refused to budge until Xbox sales were in the toilet more so than now.

    The Playstation is still the best budget bluray player on the market just as it was when it came out. The UI is still clean and easy to use too,compared to the Xbox.

    Say what you will,but Microsoft has always done things bassackwards and has been their own worst enemy. How many people who have the kinetic are left in a lurch now?

    A mobile phone to the masses isn't a extension of a expensive game console, though being able to utilize a fully separate app or a fully integrated hub for those who have one is always better than forcing all to use it. Hopefully,now with today's news,we will see everything that was wrong with this change and allow Microsoft a chance to really develops Xbox to the max,because it does have great potential. Their last update still hasn't fixed it,and they need better people working on it.

    As to you not being sold on add campaigns for a smart phone,you're need to reexamine this. Add campaigns when properly executed like Apple and Google and Samsung account for billions in sales........ask them if you don't believe that they work....and until Microsoft utilizes those firms to fight fire with fire 🔥 they will never gain any ground but continue to have flat growth or losses.
    07-03-2014 05:07 PM
  7. snowmutt's Avatar
    I think this was more Nokia than it was Microsoft but regardless I agree this is the best WP ad to date, the only problem is it's kinda long for normal TV ad spots and as a result wasn't run as much, :(
    No, it wasn't. This and it's brother L1020 commercial (at the recital and everyone else was trying to get closer except for the couple at the back with the L1020) were produced by Microsoft. So were all the commercials with the splitscreens pushing the L928, Icon, L1020, and several other WP's as well as their convertable tablet lines which had someone describing what they liked about the device while on the other side of the screen there is a device showing the features. These are all effective, well played adds that have made a difference in getting the WP8 devices as well as the Windows 8 devices into the consumers "mind share". In other words, MS has done a decent job of getting people to see what these phones can do, and getting them to recognize them when they walk into a store and see them displayed.

    I think people are still holding MS's inactivity of WP7 against them. I see advertising everywhere for WP 8. True, it has slowed down since the CEO switch and while the Nokia purchase was still pending, but since the release of WP 8 MS has worked hard to get consumers to see the devices as a good option.

    I expect this push to continue. MS has seen the overall sales of WP from below 1% in 2011 to almost 5% in 2014. Yes, that is in large part due to Nokia as well as Microsofts efforts. But, in case everyone missed it, that sales and PR team of Nokia is a part of MS now as well. I am excited for the future of WP.
    Last edited by snowmutt; 07-03-2014 at 05:48 PM.
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    07-03-2014 05:33 PM
  8. snowmutt's Avatar
    Err...This was a pure NOKIA ad..Most probably they recently replaced the NOKIA logo with the MS logo at the end.
    It was produced BY Microsoft FOR the Nokia phones. Period.

    http://windowsitpro.com/hardware/mic...-windows-phone
    http://www.nokiawp.com/2013/08/micro...ont-fight.html

    http://windowsitpro.com/windows-phon...tch-lumia-1020

    Nokia did way more PR for their devices overseas.
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    07-03-2014 05:36 PM
  9. snowmutt's Avatar
    Makes you wonder if Microsoft was smart enough to include Nokia's marketing division in the purchase of Nokia's handset division.
    If my memory serves, always a shaky propersition, the PR portion of the Nokia division that specialized in Nokia handset promotion that worked directly under Elop's top advisors came over in the deal.

    Nokia kept a portion of the PR group that pushed the Nokia Mix radio and some of the top PR execs from their HQ.

    Please don't beat me if I am wrong, but I know it was similar to that, if not exactly that.
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    07-03-2014 05:42 PM
  10. herbertsnow's Avatar
    Most "Tech Journalists" are just hipsters that have never used anything but the Apple products.
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    07-03-2014 06:00 PM
  11. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    The did get some market share from Sony....but it didn't last long at all. Microsoft backed analog and had their hat handed to them and shown the door with HDMI and bluray and refused to budge until Xbox sales were in the toilet more so than now.

    The Playstation is still the best budget bluray player on the market just as it was when it came out. The UI is still clean and easy to use too,compared to the Xbox.

    Say what you will,but Microsoft has always done things bassackwards and has been their own worst enemy. How many people who have the kinetic are left in a lurch now?

    A mobile phone to the masses isn't a extension of a expensive game console, though being able to utilize a fully separate app or a fully integrated hub for those who have one is always better than forcing all to use it. Hopefully,now with today's news,we will see everything that was wrong with this change and allow Microsoft a chance to really develops Xbox to the max,because it does have great potential. Their last update still hasn't fixed it,and they need better people working on it.

    As to you not being sold on add campaigns for a smart phone,you're need to reexamine this. Add campaigns when properly executed like Apple and Google and Samsung account for billions in sales........ask them if you don't believe that they work....and until Microsoft utilizes those firms to fight fire with fire they will never gain any ground but continue to have flat growth or losses.
    First of all Blu-Ray itself was just a short term fad that never really caught on, it was killed by instant streaming and video on Demand before it ever gained any traction. As a game disc medium it's also going to be short lived when more and more people are beginning to download their games directly to the console hard drive. The next gen consoles (if they're even called that) will likely not even have disc drives at all with the advances in SSD's. But I digress. This is not a console debate

    The Xbox point was just proof that even Microsoft can come in late and against all odds become a contender. The Xbox 360 and Xbox One have stolen millions of what would've been PS3 and PS4 owners from Sony.
    07-03-2014 06:01 PM
  12. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    No, it wasn't. This and it's brother L1020 commercial (at the recital and everyone else was trying to get closer except for the couple at the back with the L1020) were produced by Microsoft. So were all the commercials with the splitscreens pushing the L928, Icon, L1020, and several other WP's as well as their convertable tablet lines which had someone describing what they liked about the device while on the other side of the screen there is a device showing the features. These are all effective, well played adds that have made a difference in getting the WP8 devices as well as the Windows 8 devices into the consumers "mind share". In other words, MS has done a decent job of getting people to see what these phones can do, and getting them to recognize them when they walk into a store and see them displayed.

    I think people are still holding MS's inactivity of WP7 against them. I see advertising everywhere for WP 8. True, it has slowed down since the CEO switch and while the Nokia purchase was still pending, but since the release of WP 8 MS has worked hard to get consumers to see the devices as a good option.

    I expect this push to continue. MS has seen the overall sales of WP from below 1% in 2011 to almost 5% in 2014. Yes, that is in large part due to Nokia as well as Microsofts efforts. But, in case everyone missed it, that sales and PR team of Nokia is a part of MS now as well. I am excited for the future of WP.
    Wait are you trying to say these ads are working??? Have you not looked at WP's market share figures lately? They're going DOWNWARD. You can't fix a problem if you're still in denial about the problem's existence. I care about the WP platform (as do you I'll assume) and denying that your feet are wet because the ship is taking on water is not helping the cause. Microsoft is a Fortune 500 company in a free market, they respond to us the consumer, and if we're going to be all blase and nonchalant about Windows Phone hitting a rough patch then we might as well forget about this platform securing a viable 3rd place in the market. Which means of course continued poor support from the app devs, why should 3rd party devs pour their heart and souls into WP if they can't say for sure that Microsoft themselves are doing the same?
    Last edited by Sir William Wiener; 07-03-2014 at 06:17 PM.
    07-03-2014 06:05 PM
  13. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    I must say, the last periode there are a few wp commercials in the Netherlands ( not realy about WP but about Nokia phones ).
    I don't get or feel strong negativity about WP overhere.
    But there is a guy here who writes techstuf on one of the most read web/new site and it is noticeable in most his reviews that he's a IOS hugger.

    I am quit openminded and i think they are all good ( Droid, IOS and WP............and the others like Blackberry etc.. ).
    But for the mainstream non tech i believe that WP and IOS is the most safe bet next to Blackberry.
    Just becaus they have a closed ecosystem ( safe ) and easy to use.

    I must say i dont have any troubles with Droid, but i get a little sad when i see in my surroundings people with the most nice techtoys and only use it for the most basic things and when i take a closer look that the most phones are not even propper set up.
    And when they have problems.....and you help them, they just look at you with glaze eyes and mumbling ow i didn knew that..
    or is that possible????
    A OS should be easy for any user, strait forward right out of the box.
    People dont want to tweak there phones for hours just to emprove it or get more speed.
    Sad if you must turn most features off or lower the settings just to get more performance,
    hell i want to use the entire Phone without compromise.

    I always grin when i hear the typicall lowbatterysound of my friends Droid's ( and there are a lot of them ) during party's or just a straw in the town.

    A good product sells itself.

    I use now for almost more than a year WP and during that periode i converted two friends.
    MS should make a deal, when you convert more than ten persons you get a free phony ;-)

    Android has a larger usertechplatform in Forums, only because there is a lot to do about that stuf.
    Think of costumizing, rooting custom or homebrew roms and piracy
    thats a whole other audience than here on the WP forums.
    Because of that, there is a lot more to write about ( next to that, almost every day there is a new Droid phone on the rack ).
    Almost every little kid on the schoolyard has a phone, more then the half is a Droid, others are Ios.
    Those kids are the developers of the future, and gues what's the first platform they are going to develop.....
    Right, for the platform they know best.

    Last time i walked in a library ( a big building full of books you can read....yea real books made from paper )
    i saw a rack with a handfull of programming books and guess how many of them where written for Windows or Windowsphone?
    Not one.
    Make it more exesable for the young, good books not only in english but also in there native language.
    And the rest will follow.
    Even Apple has there own schools, called Steve Jobs schools.............whel talking about a concept.
    Why cant MS do the same, they are already supporting third world countries ( with our politicians we are real soon one to ).
    And the sounds about WP in the area of security and privacy are a lot more positive than Droid.
    So no, its not realy a anti WP or MS "campaign", it just the way you read them.
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    07-03-2014 06:10 PM
  14. tgp's Avatar
    A good product sells itself.
    Then why is WP's market share dropping?
    07-03-2014 06:15 PM
  15. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Then why is WP's market share dropping?
    Exactly! the Zune was also a "great product" at the time it had many features that the iPod did not but Microsoft's infamous marketing ineptitude helped turn the Zune into a punchline akin to Sony's BetaMax.
    07-03-2014 06:20 PM
  16. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    Most people only know about WP 7x and 8.
    Wait until 8.1 getting mainstream.
    They just started, more and more apps are hitting the store.
    Look how Android started...........not only how but also with........
    07-03-2014 06:21 PM
  17. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Most "Tech Journalists" are just hipsters that have never used anything but the Apple products.
    Ya pretty much, Microsoft bashing is also in vogue. They don't know why they hate Microsoft they just do. We see the same uphill public perception battle faced by the Xbox One while the PS4 is hailed as the next sliced bread (although it's essentially identical to the One minus all the features and capabilities).
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    07-03-2014 06:23 PM
  18. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Most people only know about WP 7x and 8.
    Wait until 8.1 getting mainstream.
    They just started, more and more apps are hitting the store.
    Look how Android started...........not only how but also with........
    I'm so tired of these "wait until... such and such happens" arguments we're all so happy to use here at WPCentral. However tragically I too am giving MS the final benefit of the doubt until the Cyan firmware update rolls out worldwide. If they don't kick it up a notch after that happens, then the WP market share tailspin will become a nose dive.
    07-03-2014 06:26 PM
  19. snowmutt's Avatar
    Completely my opinion, but the down tick in sales is simply the by product of the complete stall of Nokia products due to the purchase by Microsoft. When WP 8 was announced, there was a line of new products from Nokia and new ones from Samsung and HTC at launch. This time? WP 8.1 was announced and..... well, nada. The first official Nokia's are just getting out there to a few markets and there are no HTC's or Samsung's. In major markets, only the existing WP 8's are still front and center. There are some cheaper devices from other OEM's coming to market, but these are not advertised. While Microsoft was promoting their products and Nokia was pounding the pavement overseas, the sales improved every quarter. It has only been these past 2 quarters during the CEO switch and the transfer of Nokia that sales have stalled. And by the way- I have not seen numbers that say they have declined, only that the growth has stalled.

    So- YES, I do think the adds worked. YES, I do think MS is dedicated to WP and will fight to continue to push it. Yes, the adds everyone said were Nokia were actually Microsoft. Yes, I do think we will see 2014 more or less be a throw-away year for WP as now their top OEM is under MS control and there has been very little support through the first 6 months. But I am still bullish on WP's future. WP 8.1 is great, the app support from top end app developers continues to get better (games still need help in a bad, bad way though), and the threshold update (maybe WP9, though who knows) is looking to be an even bigger OS upgrade with more OEM's onboard in early 2015.

    All of which is really a rabbit trail off your original thought- Tech sites are all in on Android and iOS. If they do not give WP a chance in their reporting (if it can be called that), then Microsoft will have to do it all on their own. Here is hoping that attitudes change, because I totally agree with you on that. I did not mean to sidetrack your thread.

    Bad moderator... bad.
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    07-03-2014 06:42 PM
  20. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    A big problem with a unified message is they don't have the same products on all the carriers, they could make a great ad then say, get the 1520 or 925 & 520 on at&t, the Ativ S & Icon on Verizon, 925 & 521 on T-Mobile, in Europe all 7 phones are available. WTF???? They need one flagship phone on every carrier on the planet, with a massive sustained ad campaign that tells you why to get over an iPhone, galaxy or HTC.
    07-03-2014 06:57 PM
  21. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    First of all Blu-Ray itself was just a short term fad that never really caught on, it was killed by instant streaming and video on Demand before it ever gained any traction. As a game disc medium it's also going to be short lived when more and more people are beginning to download their games directly to the console hard drive. The next gen consoles (if they're even called that) will likely not even have disc drives at all with the advances in SSD's. But I digress. This is not a console debate

    The Xbox point was just proof that even Microsoft can come in late and against all odds become a contender. The Xbox 360 and Xbox One have stolen millions of what would've been PS3 and PS4 owners from Sony.
    Oh man...I don't know what you are drinking,but if you actually believe bluray is was a fad...step away from the bar. Billions and Billions of dollars on them since they came out...and still are doing well. With more and more people interested in the next big thing in video...4k..how do you think they are going to get that content to their big screens? It sure as Hades won't be streaming and quad platter disc can handle the call.

    Charters new Spectrum services can't,Comcast has nothing in place,dtv or dish hasn't the bandwidth...so guess what will..

    All of the Xbox devices together can't equal what the PlayStations have done,and when they are done with the 4...well you should really read up on it...and I'll leave it at that for now...on second thought..one last thing..read up on Game Stop..for their pre orders on games...if you actually believe your right..and that is just about games too..all the major studios still do well in bluray sales especially since giving digital downloads for free...and while streaming is growing..it won't replace bluray players or disc anytime soon...and done without subscriptions to worry about too...

    One last thing really......go to www.the numbers.com and click on total bluray sales for 2014...you will see that bluray is far from dead or just a fad..look at the top 100 and know this...most all of these have digital downloads available and those numbers are strictly for the USA alone....then combine the regular DVD sales since both can be played on the player...Sorry....these players are in just about every household today..and still going strong
    Last edited by MDMcAtee; 07-03-2014 at 07:35 PM.
    07-03-2014 07:20 PM
  22. SSgt Bruskowiz's Avatar
    You invidell...nonbelievers....
    Just kidding.
    But if the users don't believe in the products they buy than why should they buy it.
    Droid is all around us and Ios as a good second.
    Why......just walk in to a supermarket and grab some phonetech magazines.
    Walk trough a shoppingmall and look trough the windows of techstores.
    How many WP phones do you encounter during that straw.............if its ten you had a good day.
    Atleast over here.
    There is not much choice, people choose what is at hand and what friends have........
    The most people don't look at techsites, and there are al lot who don't even now what kind of OS there phone running on.

    That can change only by good advertizing, after that...................
    Look what MS did when they brought Windows 95 to the market....Now that was advertizing.
    But after that, 98, 98SE, ME XP and al those others they almost sell there selfes without advertizing.
    Wel not completely, they did a little with XP.

    Here is on TV a ongoing stupid TV Show, every housewive looks at it ( i am forced to.... :-/ ) in the beginning of that show the caracters in it used all Apple stuff ( sneaky commercials and sponsored by ).......and guess what.
    It worked.
    Now ( i believe the last year or two years ) they started to use Samsung stuff........and ofcourse sponsored by the big S.
    People identify with those caracters and want the same stuf.
    So it sells.
    No need for special TV adds nobody watches, just muffle it in a TV show and your all set.
    07-03-2014 07:31 PM
  23. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Oh man...I don't know what you are drinking,but if you actually believe bluray is was a fad...step away from the bar. Billions and Billions of dollars on them since they came out...and still are doing well. With more and more people interested in the next big thing in video...4k..how do you think they are going to get that content to their big screens? It sure as Hades won't be streaming and quad platter disc can handle the call.

    Charters new Spectrum services can't,Comcast has nothing in place,dtv or dish hasn't the bandwidth...so guess what will..

    All of the Xbox devices together can't equal what the PlayStations have done,and when they are done with the 4...well you should really read up on it...and I'll leave it at that for now...on second thought..one last thing..read up on Game Stop..for their pre orders on games...if you actually believe your right..and that is just about games too..all the major studios still do well in bluray sales especially since giving digital downloads for free...and while streaming is growing..it won't replace bluray players or disc anytime soon...and done without subscriptions to worry about too...
    Blu-Ray has peaked 2 years ago. With more and more people getting Video On Demand services movies on dics have become obsolete. What happened to Blockbuster???
    07-03-2014 07:35 PM
  24. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Completely my opinion, but the down tick in sales is simply the by product of the complete stall of Nokia products due to the purchase by Microsoft. When WP 8 was announced, there was a line of new products from Nokia and new ones from Samsung and HTC at launch. This time? WP 8.1 was announced and..... well, nada. The first official Nokia's are just getting out there to a few markets and there are no HTC's or Samsung's. In major markets, only the existing WP 8's are still front and center. There are some cheaper devices from other OEM's coming to market, but these are not advertised. While Microsoft was promoting their products and Nokia was pounding the pavement overseas, the sales improved every quarter. It has only been these past 2 quarters during the CEO switch and the transfer of Nokia that sales have stalled. And by the way- I have not seen numbers that say they have declined, only that the growth has stalled.

    So- YES, I do think the adds worked. YES, I do think MS is dedicated to WP and will fight to continue to push it. Yes, the adds everyone said were Nokia were actually Microsoft. Yes, I do think we will see 2014 more or less be a throw-away year for WP as now their top OEM is under MS control and there has been very little support through the first 6 months. But I am still bullish on WP's future. WP 8.1 is great, the app support from top end app developers continues to get better (games still need help in a bad, bad way though), and the threshold update (maybe WP9, though who knows) is looking to be an even bigger OS upgrade with more OEM's onboard in early 2015.

    All of which is really a rabbit trail off your original thought- Tech sites are all in on Android and iOS. If they do not give WP a chance in their reporting (if it can be called that), then Microsoft will have to do it all on their own. Here is hoping that attitudes change, because I totally agree with you on that. I did not mean to sidetrack your thread.

    Bad moderator... bad.
    I don't see how you can continue this apologist shin dig much less the sarcastic undertones. Microsoft's market share is a joke in the US, a joke that's eroding as we speak. Why deny the facts? How low does it have to sink before you at least entertain the idea that maybe just maybe Microsoft isn't without any faults especially in regards to Windows Phone. Do we just let it die like Zune and Windows Mobile and then shrug our shoulders? Maybe I'm not quite the apologist yet...Maybe I'm not getting something, is it customary for Microsoft to let things die simply because they have the money to eat the loss and start over? Windows Phone is NOT catching on in the US and the primary reason is the marketing.
    07-03-2014 07:40 PM
  25. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Blu-Ray has peaked 2 years ago. With more and more people getting Video On Demand services movies on dics have become obsolete. What happened to Blockbuster???
    Bluray hasn't peaked yet,sales are still growing and have always had fluctuations .

    On demand is doing better,but,even with it is no substitute for the Quality of the viewing experience of a bluray movie. The beauty of buying the disc now,is being able to utilize the digital downloads and syncing with the cloud...no more spending hours ripping them and decoding them. This is all done for you and the quality is still better because it isn't stepped on in the decoding and is as good as your connection. Also..getting sizable collections to and from a nan or storage can be plugged in to most home networks through the providers routers...

    No...bluray players and the disc themselves are going strong and as more people find out how easier it's getting,sales have been picking up again..especially with all the rate hikes many streaming services have been doing....

    This 1520 of mine is just chomping at the bit waiting to see what the developers are going to do for it. I was about to jump ship....but now....I think I will give it a few months and see what comes out...
    07-03-2014 07:50 PM
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