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  1. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    if you want a marketing campaign to matter, it will need to bypass androids adblock application.

    otherwise, is wasted advertising dollars
    There's plenty other mediums of advertising than on Android devices or Google services. Television is still the number one channel of marketing used today. There's no Superbowl of internet computer ads, TV is where you live or die as a marketer in corporate America.
    07-05-2014 06:20 PM
  2. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    I'd say it's more related to missing apps. I see ads on TV every day that mention "Get our app from the App Store or Google Play" for department stores, grocery stores, discount stores. None of these TV ads mention Windows Phone Store, since these companies don't have Windows Phone apps. A consumer in the US will notice that.



    For example, Cinemark just got a Windows Phone app. My friends with Androids and iPhones have been using it for over two years. If someone had been a regular movie goer at Cinematk, the prior inability to get Cinemode rewards might have discouraged him/her from getting a Windows Phone.
    Yes but the missing apps are merely a SYMPTOM of the problem not the root cause, we don't have many apps because developers (American devs in specific) don't see the economic benefit of developing for Windows Phone and catering to a small audience. They are focused on iOS and Android right now, the Windows Phone user base is small because the average consumer still has no idea what Windows Phone 8 is. I want Daniel or Sam to do a video where they take WP devices out into public and ask random people of all ages to what they are. I'd guarantee alot of them wouldn't know outright or they would ask if it's a special type of Android phone (like many have asked about my Icon). As a control for the experiment they should also show the random people an IPhone 5s and Samsung Galaxy S5. This would show everyone here who is hesitant to blame Microsoft marketing just exactly how poorly MS has done in reaching and educating the mainstream consumer on what Windows Phone is and why they should have it instead of an iPhone or Android device.
    07-05-2014 06:28 PM
  3. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Yes but the missing apps are merely a SYMPTOM of the problem not the root cause, we don't have many apps because developers (American devs in specific) don't see the economic benefit of developing for Windows Phone and catering to a small audience. They are focused on iOS and Android right now, the Windows Phone user base is small because the average consumer still has no idea what Windows Phone 8 is. I want Daniel or Sam to do a video where they take WP devices out into public and ask random people of all ages to what they are. I'd guarantee alot of them wouldn't know outright or they would ask if it's a special type of Android phone (like many have asked about my Icon). As a control for the experiment they should also show the random people an IPhone 5s and Samsung Galaxy S5. This would show everyone here who is hesitant to blame Microsoft marketing just exactly how poorly MS has done in reaching and educating the mainstream consumer on what Windows Phone is and why they should have it instead of an iPhone or Android device.
    I wouldn't say it's a symptom, rather than a cause. If a consumer uses apps for Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Macy's, Giant Eagle, Sam's Club and finds out that Windows Phone does not have those apps, that person would not be interested in Windows Phone, even if he/she knew what it was.
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    07-05-2014 06:42 PM
  4. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    The consumer/tech journalists does not care why their are a lack of apps for Windows Phone.
    Outside of Google apps, you're right. But everyone with 200+ posts in this forum on know that. So, why bring this up?

    Wrong, Marketing is not why tech journalist bash Windows Phones, why is our user base so small, nor the reason for consumers choose Iphone or Android phone over a Windows Phone.
    Why are you trying to pick apart my points by essentially saying "But I already knew this" I'll spell it out easier for people who don't understand what I'm saying here:

    THE PROBLEM: Windows Phone market share is eroding in the United States, China and Germany

    SYMPTOMS OF THE PROBLEM:
    -Poor support of apps from developers and lack of real updates(Twitter, Facebook, Instagram still in Beta etc).
    -Lack of official apps (including Google's WP app boycott)
    -Late arrival of trending apps/games from iOS and Android that have already faded away in popularity by the time WP gets it
    -Lack of knowledge from average level devs on how to code apps for Windows/Windows Phone.

    CONSEQUENCE OF PROBLEM: Small user base size, lack of publicity, awareness and familiarity of Windows Phone by the majority of the mainstream smartphone consumers. Erosion in Windows Phone market share which didn't have much room to erode.

    CAUSE OF PROBLEM: incompetent, anemic, ineffective and forgettable marketing and consumer education of the product(WP) by Microsoft.

    POTENTIAL SOLUTION: Microsoft hires independent prestigious marketing firm who specialize in the art and science of product marketing. Samsung did not advertise the Galaxy themselves in the US, they hired the best American marketing firm that money could buy and met the resulting demand for their product created by the independent firm contracted by Samsung.
    07-05-2014 06:53 PM
  5. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    I wouldn't say it's a symptom, rather than a cause. If a consumer uses apps for Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Macy's, Giant Eagle, Sam's Club and finds out that Windows Phone does not have those apps, that person would not be interested in Windows Phone, even if he/she knew what it was.
    Apps don't come before users it's the other way around. Those companies you named don't have enough of an economic incentive to bother with creating a Windows Phone app. To them Windows Phone isn't yet established, the numbers are just too small for them to bother with right now. They look at things such as Windows Phone's growth and market share size and then decide if it makes sense to develop on the platform. Right now they're probably betting on Windows Phone all but dying off, Microsoft isn't being a good pitchman. Eroding market share makes Windows Phone look bad to the numbers oriented companies/businesses such as Walmart, Target or Lowes.
    07-05-2014 06:58 PM
  6. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Apps don't come before users it's the other way around. Those companies you named don't have enough of an economic incentive to bother with creating a Windows Phone app. To them Windows Phone isn't yet established, the numbers are just too small for them to bother with right now.
    How would you convince people who use those apps on their iPhones/Androids to switch to Windows Phone without those apps? What marketing idea do you have in that case, or would you limit marketing to people in the US who still have feature phones and wouldn't care about those apps?
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    07-05-2014 07:07 PM
  7. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Compelling? Like what would fit your definition of compelling? Do you want anti-gravity Nokia phones that float slowly and gently to the ground like a feather when dropped?

    Nokia would have never met their profit margins if they loaded phones with features that would just raise their production costs and raise the price of their phones that already have a tough time selling in the US. With the current mobile tech available there's not much more any OEM could put in a smartphone to truly be "compelling" at least not yet. There's no huge compelling difference between an IPhone 5s and Samsung Galaxy S5, if anything they're the Coke and Pepsi of smartphones right now. What's so different about Coke and Pepsi? Branding and Advertising of course.

    The way you set yourself apart in saturated markets such as the smartphone market is good marketing pure and simple.
    Good points for sure..but look at a couple others.

    Good marketing strategies involve more than one type of add..

    Look at the differences between how Apple and Samsung go at it..

    Samsung would have you believe that only old people use the iPhones and in sales nothing further is true. They show their phones doing neat looking things..

    Apples adds aren't slamming the competition ( recently anyway).. So what are they showing that keeps sales high here in the USA..fitness,childish learning,young professionals people.. Apples iPhones don't have gimmicky ways of turning on.or nfc transfers yet ( rumors of it in IOS 8) but....can and do control household items lights,tstat home theater..and have more programming available for it.

    2 styles of marketing to choose from....from the leading platforms..

    Which would work best for Microsoft for WP?

    Right now WP is at a app disadvantage..it doesn't matter what is coming....because we all know it is and needs Quality first party apps....We have Glance correct..is Microsoft leasing it to Samsung for it's gimmicky new technology? We have. Cortana...why aren't the 2 being hailed as the next big thing...
    To me...it's not just"whose in charge of marketing" but why isn't nadela firings people
    07-05-2014 07:08 PM
  8. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Good points for sure..but look at a couple others.

    Good marketing strategies involve more than one type of add..

    Look at the differences between how Apple and Samsung go at it..

    Samsung would have you believe that only old people use the iPhones and in sales nothing further is true. They show their phones doing neat looking things..

    Apples adds aren't slamming the competition ( recently anyway).. So what are they showing that keeps sales high here in the USA..fitness,childish learning,young professionals people.. Apples iPhones don't have gimmicky ways of turning on.or nfc transfers yet ( rumors of it in IOS 8) but....can and do control household items lights,tstat home theater..and have more programming available for it.

    2 styles of marketing to choose from....from the leading platforms..

    Which would work best for Microsoft for WP?

    Right now WP is at a app disadvantage..it doesn't matter what is coming....because we all know it is and needs Quality first party apps....We have Glance correct..is Microsoft leasing it to Samsung for it's gimmicky new technology? We have. Cortana...why aren't the 2 being hailed as the next big thing...
    To me...it's not just"whose in charge of marketing" but why isn't nadela firings people
    I'm not saying Microsoft needs one 30 second miracle TV ad to turn things around, of course we know it will take much more than that. They need to create a desire/sense in the consumers that says "I want/need a Windows Phone because iOS or Android doesn't satisfy that specific need/want"

    Microsoft needs to promote Windows Phone for what it is, which is a fluid, fast and organized OS that offers alot of the buttoned down security of iOS but with a degree of Android-esque customization but not at the cost of security breaches that ruin the integrity of the OS like sometimes is the case with Android. Windows Phone is a marriage of the pros of iOS with the pros of Android while simultaneously a divorce (if you will) of the cons of iOS and cons of Android.

    We know of the disadvantages Windows Phone faces against the two titans of iOS and Android, however the advantage of WP is its exclusivity cool factor it can have. What's "cooler" to see driving down your street? A beige 4 door Toyota Camry or bright yellow Lamborghini Aventador? WP is a cool niche right now Microsoft could be using that niche coolness to push the OS enough so that's no longer a niche.
    07-05-2014 07:26 PM
  9. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    How would you convince people who use those apps on their iPhones/Androids to switch to Windows Phone without those apps? What marketing idea do you have in that case, or would you limit marketing to people in the US who still have feature phones and wouldn't care about those apps?
    Quite simple, what are primary functions of a modern smartphone? It needs to of course make phone calls and send text messages CHECK. It needs to be able to browse the internet in an intuitive manner CHECK. It needs to be able to stay connected with email and social network happenings (Facebook,Twitter LinkedIn, Instagram etc). CHECK. It needs to be able to take a picture or record video when something cool or memorable happens suddenly and I wanna capture the moment. CHECK. It needs to serve as an Mp3 player for my music collection CHECK?(sort of Xbox Music). It needs to help me when I'm lost and serve as a GPS map CHECK.

    This is what the modern smartphone is used for 80-90% of the time. The emphasis(perception of necessity) on Apps was created primarily by Apple (there's an App for that). But really how important are some of the Apps you mentioned? Can't you just look up Lowes' lumber prices on your IE browser just as easily as downloading and installing a Lowes App that you might use once or twice a year (unless you work construction). The apps are better described as something that keeps people on Windows Phone. The reason current Windows Phone users leave WP is because the hot new trendy apps their IPhone/Android buddies have (that come with userbase growth) never came to WP. They never came to Windows Phone because of the slow growth rate of WP. The slow growth rate comes at the hands of Microsoft's marketing strategy failing.

    Make no mistake the reason Microsoft has the smartphone market share it has now globally is because of Nokia's marketing efforts to push Nokia phones that coincidentally ran the WP OS. The problem arose when MSFT took over the shots for Nokia. Microsoft-Nokia no longer has to worry about selling phones to stay alive, Microsoft doesn't feel that capitalistic fight or flight mentality because their cash flow books look quite nice. They have no problems paying the bills because MSFT is much more than a phone company. Microsoft doenst know how to sell phones because they're not a phone company they're a software company.
    07-05-2014 07:44 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Quite simple, what are primary functions of a modern smartphone? It needs to of course make phone calls and send text messages CHECK. It needs to be able to browse the internet in an intuitive manner CHECK. It needs to be able to stay connected with email and social network happenings (Facebook,Twitter LinkedIn, Instagram etc). CHECK. It needs to be able to take a picture or record video when something cool or memorable happens suddenly and I wanna capture the moment. CHECK. It needs to serve as an Mp3 player for my music collection CHECK?(sort of Xbox Music). It needs to help me when I'm lost and serve as a GPS map CHECK.

    This is what the modern smartphone is used for 80-90% of the time. The emphasis(perception of necessity) on Apps was created primarily by Apple (there's an App for that). But really how important are some of the Apps you mentioned? Can't you just look up Lowes' lumber prices on your IE browser just as easily as downloading and installing a Lowes App that you might use once or twice a year (unless you work construction). The apps are better described as something that keeps people on Windows Phone. The reason current Windows Phone users leave WP is because the hot new trendy apps their IPhone/Android buddies have (that come with userbase growth) never came to WP. They never came to Windows Phone because of the slow growth rate of WP. The slow growth rate comes at the hands of Microsoft's marketing strategy failing.

    Make no mistake the reason Microsoft has the smartphone market share it has now globally is because of Nokia's marketing efforts to push Nokia phones that coincidentally ran the WP OS. The problem arose when MSFT took over the shots for Nokia. Microsoft-Nokia no longer has to worry about selling phones to stay alive, Microsoft doesn't feel that capitalistic fight or flight mentality because their books look quite nice. They have no problems paying the bills because MSFT is much more than a phone company. Microsoft doenst know how to sell phones because they're not a phone company they're a software company.

    What method do you propose that would be an effective way of telling consumers that they just need to use a browser when they've been using apps for several years now?
    07-05-2014 07:56 PM
  11. tgp's Avatar
    Quite simple, what are primary functions of a modern smartphone? It needs to of course make phone calls and send text messages CHECK. It needs to be able to browse the internet in an intuitive manner CHECK. It needs to be able to stay connected with email and social network happenings (Facebook,Twitter LinkedIn, Instagram etc). CHECK. It needs to be able to take a picture or record video when something cool or memorable happens suddenly and I wanna capture the moment. CHECK. It needs to serve as an Mp3 player for my music collection CHECK?(sort of Xbox Music). It needs to help me when I'm lost and serve as a GPS map CHECK.
    About half of these CHECKS WP doesn't do all that well. Stay connected? Notification issues & low quality gimped apps. Take a picture when something happens suddenly? Slow camera, although if you do capture it the picture is first rate. Mp3 player? I don't use a phone for that, but I've read the posts about Xbox Music in WP8.1.

    For the most part iPhones & Androids perform better in at least these 3 areas. Microsoft needs to improve them before using them in sales pitches.
    07-05-2014 07:58 PM
  12. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    @Laura
    I'm saying what's the true convenience of downloading and installing an app that you may only use once or twice a year (if that). Apps show their usefulness when it's something you use so frequently that using the mobile IE alternative wouldn't make as much sense. You probably check and/or update your Twitter and Facebook daily do you not? So a Twitter and FB app are a must. However as for say a Lowes app? How often are you painting your house that you need to open up your Lowes app to check out paint prices and colors from your phone?

    Not all apps are created equal is what I'm saying.
    07-05-2014 08:05 PM
  13. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    About half of these CHECKS WP doesn't do all that well. Stay connected? Notification issues & low quality gimped apps. Take a picture when something happens suddenly? Slow camera, although if you do capture it the picture is first rate. Mp3 player? I don't use a phone for that, but I've read the posts about Xbox Music in WP8.1.

    For the most part iPhones & Androids perform better in at least these 3 areas. Microsoft needs to improve them before using them in sales pitches.
    Those are issues that are of concern to the tech guys at Microsoft, MSFT has been pretty good about rolling out updates and bug fixes (better than Android as of late for sure). The problem is and will continue to be the marketing until further notice.

    You don't use your phone for music? You realize millions and millions of smartphone users do though hence the reason I mentioned it as a key feature. iOS and Android aren't much better than WP in terms of general OS performance, if they are it's negligible. Everyone just likes to bash 8.1 bugs without realizing it's a DP and not a finished product with matching firmware (that's coming soon with Cyan). iOS and Android stand out in the App stores and quality/performance of said apps. The WP infrastructure is no buggier than iOS or Android, they all have their faults and problems and they all have huge teams of people to fix those problems as they arise.
    07-05-2014 08:12 PM
  14. Craigtrain's Avatar
    Everyone just likes to bash 8.1 bugs without realizing it's a DP and not a finished product
    Windows Phone 8.1 is finished and has already been released on the Lumia 630. It is a finished product.
    07-05-2014 08:27 PM
  15. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    Windows Phone 8.1 is finished and has already been released on the Lumia 630. It is a finished product.
    The Nokia 630 already has the Cyan firmware. We're talking about the WP's still running Lumia Black with 8.1
    07-05-2014 08:33 PM
  16. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    I'm not saying Microsoft needs one 30 second miracle TV ad to turn things around, of course we know it will take much more than that. They need to create a desire/sense in the consumers that says "I want/need a Windows Phone because iOS or Android doesn't satisfy that specific need/want"

    Microsoft needs to promote Windows Phone for what it is, which is a fluid, fast and organized OS that offers alot of the buttoned down security of iOS but with a degree of Android-esque customization but not at the cost of security breaches that ruin the integrity of the OS like sometimes is the case with Android. Windows Phone is a marriage of the pros of iOS with the pros of Android while simultaneously a divorce (if you will) of the cons of iOS and cons of Android.

    We know of the disadvantages Windows Phone faces against the two titans of iOS and Android, however the advantage of WP is its exclusivity cool factor it can have. What's "cooler" to see driving down your street? A beige 4 door Toyota Camry or bright yellow Lamborghini Aventador? WP is a cool niche right now Microsoft could be using that niche coolness to push the OS enough so that's no longer a niche.
    Well...as to the cars...neither suits me to be truthful,but I understand where your coming from.

    I have said this before...Microsoft is a company of geeks...now don't take this wrong...I'm glad they have them...but...unfortunately as geeks are normally..they are out of step with the rest of the public. This is from the top down with whose running the departments and the company.

    You think WP is a niche product....I'm in agreement with you on this...but ...it needs to loose it's geekieness and become mainstream...not to cater to nonmainstream....at least here in the us.....because where we go..so goes everyone else....oddball colors...no...vibrant colors and plenty of them...yes...


    What else...well let's start with the biggest draw back here in USA...

    Carrier exclusivity......this is killing WP...before they even build them...until Microsoft grows a set of balls big enough....that won't change...Here in St.Louis the Best Buys don't even stock them,or accessories for them..and the ATT stores have them in the back corners with the cheap stuff and never carry all the extras that you may need..

    What else.....to become mainstream....well..how about having 3 phones...they need to consolidate their line...

    Now...to really become mainstream...you have to offer best hardware to get a flagship phone close to the other platforms. If you don't...your done before you start. Best harware..you have to have software to use it... and that means apps...

    What else?
    07-05-2014 08:52 PM
  17. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    What else means the what we take for granted...

    Music and video...not meaning games...all though that is important to..

    You want to stand out in a crowd...if the 1520 had HTC's dual playing speakers...how good would that be..one better...quad speakers....wait a minute..don't they have that...yes..but only for recording....they forgot that many people don't use ear phones....if they hadn't...the equalizer could be used like all mainstream smartphones...as it is...the geeks had their way...see what I mean
    07-05-2014 08:59 PM
  18. ohgood's Avatar
    spend an hour in wish hour traffic at a stand still. you'll beg for that plane Jane Camry back, with it's working AC, silent engine, good seats, kicking radio and sound deadening in the floor pan.








    but any way, I agree with folks about the lack of advertising vs telling people to "wait for our next blah".

    when apple releases a new feature/app, it's in the freaking store. now. tested.

    when android releases a new app, there are already fifteen different flavors from fifteen different vendors, now.

    when Microsoft starts a "coming soon", it's a yawner. six months later, they tease with "it's going to be awesome!" and consumers look at it like a disadvantaged youth.
    07-05-2014 08:59 PM
  19. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    They have to have real leadership that really wants WP to compete...they don't have that...they never have had that...WP has always been an unwanted red headed stepchild...and treated as such...so much potential...but no one to fight for it at the top
    07-05-2014 09:02 PM
  20. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    What method do you propose that would be an effective way of telling consumers that they just need to use a browser when they've been using apps for several years now?
    In continuation to my first part of the reply in the other comment...
    My proposal as to what should've been done (20/20 hindsight of course) is Microsoft should NOT have bought Nokia's handset division outright. They should have just offered Nokia a low interest loan to keep their business afloat with the caveat that they must only develop for the WP platform. This way Nokia would have to continue to sell phones to stay afloat, with Microsoft owning them there's no longer any urgency. The bills are paid whether they sell 10 or 10 million phones a month, before MSFT bought them they were actually working real hard to market and seek Nokia devices because that was the only way they could keep their doors open, yet they still had problems financially. The loan would've solved this problem while also keeping Nokia independent with the inherent need to move phones to customers right now and not tomorrow.
    07-05-2014 10:33 PM
  21. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    They have to have real leadership that really wants WP to compete...they don't have that...they never have had that...WP has always been an unwanted red headed stepchild...and treated as such...so much potential...but no one to fight for it at the top
    Exactly, if Satya Nadella could get 100 million more iPhone & Android users to download and subscribe to OneDrive, Skype and Office 365 he'd axe Windows Phone in a heartbeat. He's a cloud/services CEO not a hardware innovation CEO.
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    07-05-2014 10:38 PM
  22. techiez's Avatar
    Exactly, if Satya Nadella could get 100 million more iPhone & Android users to download and subscribe to OneDrive, Skype and Office 365 he'd axe Windows Phone in a heartbeat. He's a cloud/services CEO not a hardware innovation CEO.
    And they even plan to move Cortana to ios n androids and editors at WPC too defend that, if nobody understands importance of exclusives then they cant make wp suceed.
    07-05-2014 11:50 PM
  23. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    I'm a Microsoft shareholder (albeit not a big one but big enough) so I pay attention to EVERYTHING & EVERYONE Microsoft related. I was watching Fox Business before work one morning and they were talking about former MSFT CEO Steve Ballmer trying to buy the LA Clippers from Donald Sterling (you might of heard). While the show's hosts were talking they show a video of Ballmer walking out of some fancy building as a visual for their story I guess, as I knew it wasn't the Staples Center or anything NBA related. I really wished I could've got a screen shot of the video showing Ballmer walking out of the building and answering his phone as he was walking away with what appeared to be a silver iPhone 5/5s. He's the former CEO who cares I thought.

    Then I watch these Satya Nadella interviews and not only does he fillabuster with nothing but his cloud, Office 365, Azure and Skype services, he's never seen with a WP handset in any video or picture other than that one brief WP8.1 press conference addressing the reporters(orange 930). Whereas I've seen numerous videos of him talking about the Surface and its features even good old Bill Gates has an interview of him holding up a Surface (he was defending the W8 tile interface to the desktop crowd). I've seen one Q&A interview with Nadella addressing Windows Phone by name without being asked specially and that was after the purchase of Nokia. If someone caught him off guard and asked him to show his personal phone on the spot would he pull out a Windows Phone from his pockets? I have my doubts. I wonder if anyone at Redmond outside of the WP division actually has a Nokia Windows Phone 8 handset. I'm thinking if the suits up in the board meeting were using WP's and experiencing some of the WP issues firsthand more resources would be going into WP.

    No one here better sit and defend anything Microsoft has done for WP in the past 6 months I'll have none of it I've seen the charts for the sales in the US and they say otherwise. As a shareholder I'm pleased with Nadella he's driving the prices into the $40 range, as a WP enthusiast I'm saddened because I believe in the OS and wanna see it succeed. What are they doing!!

    Joe B. thinks this is "a marathon not a sprint" while he's getting lapped by Apple and Google. Joe is right it's not a sprint or a marathon, it's a Formula One grand prix and God love the guy but Joe is like Chevy Chase in that station wagon.

    Where are the post Nokia acquisition WP TV ads in the US? This is not to troll I swear. I just hope if we here in the WPCentral community make enough of a fuss they'll at least address our concerns. The Cortana gate is proof of that. Can we create enough of a fuss that MSFT at least tell us they have real marketing campaigns in the works? I mean they can't and shouldn't stay this silent when their charts are looking this bad for WP.
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    07-05-2014 11:54 PM
  24. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    And they even plan to move Cortana to ios n androids and editors at WPC too defend that, if nobody understands importance of exclusives then they cant make wp suceed.
    I would only be okay with Cortana going to iOS because Apple is supporting Bing now but in return I would want them to make an iMessage app for WP8. However if Android gets Cortana after all the **** Google has done to MS. I'd throw in the towel and move back to iOS and get the new iPhone 6. A surrender to Google would be the last straw for me.
    07-06-2014 12:02 AM
  25. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I would only be okay with Cortana going to iOS because Apple is supporting Bing now but in return I would want them to make an iMessage app for WP8. However if Android gets Cortana after all the **** Google has done to MS. I'd throw in the towel and move back to iOS and get the new iPhone 6. A surrender to Google would be the last straw for me.
    I'd rather see an improved Skype for Windows Phone than iMessage for Windows Phone. I have more friends who have Androids than iPhones, but all of my friends have Skype, no matter what devices they use.
    07-06-2014 12:03 AM
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