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  1. Sir William Wiener's Avatar
    There's no way they get 9-10 hours from a Dell Venue Pro 8 with web surfing, games and books. You'd have to provide video evidence to be believed. Just NO way. And even so, even if that was true, it would be way less than what is needed for a viable phone.
    It's a very power efficient tablet I'm not saying 9 hours with constant on end videos, I mean like web surfing with the occasional flash videos on news sites etc... They get through the day on a single charge with moderate use. My Icon gets worse performance with my screen on low brightness. I'd be completely content with 10 hours on a smartphone, I don't live in a desert with no wall outlets for Christ's sake.
    Sargon Aelther likes this.
    07-07-2014 06:31 PM
  2. Jazmac's Avatar
    Boy, 9 pages. 9 PAGES. I hope this is only because we heard it from Evleaks, which has a decent history of correct rumors. Otherwise, I would say we as a community are a tad defensive these days.

    ....
    Kinda reminds you of what Facebook did with their planted stories to see how people respond.
    07-07-2014 06:49 PM
  3. Jazmac's Avatar
    There's no way they get 9-10 hours from a Dell Venue Pro 8 with web surfing, games and books. You'd have to provide video evidence to be believed. Just NO way. And even so, even if that was true, it would be way less than what is needed for a viable phone.
    I have a DVP 8 and I don't get that many hours from it doing all that stuff. I think the battery on this device is pretty good too. I think we got a bit of puffing to make the point more salient than it otherwise would be. But all this gets beyond the original thread. Which is only a rumor.
    Guytronic and a5cent like this.
    07-07-2014 06:59 PM
  4. 50ShadesOfDJWS's Avatar
    The idea of android apps coming to WP's is like the idea of flying over from American to china just to go to America town, such a hideous idea
    Mavee Shah and Brandon McLean like this.
    07-07-2014 07:30 PM
  5. vincelac's Avatar
    It would be cool to have a phone that could dual boot WP and Android (kind of like that Samsung tablet that either didn't happen or crashed and burned because I haven't heard anything about it in months).

    Getting Android users stuck on the collection of Bing, HERE Maps, and a WP-like skin would be a nice transition to WP. It'd also be cool to see an Android with the ability to easily get rid of bloat ware.
    Laura Knotek and snowmutt like this.
    07-07-2014 07:36 PM
  6. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    You know...I changed my mind about this.

    I think they should be able to run any android app and I do me any android app on WP....here's why..because sooner than later someone over at XDA will develop a way to run full asop on it and when that happens it will actually be the best phone on the market. Seriously..think about it..at 1 time on my noteII I had 7 or 8 complete roms with data apps,music,movies.and could switch out to any of them in just a few minutes..if we had a complete back up on the SD card of WP...we could have the absolute best of all worlds...

    I know I know....it's just a pipe dream...and doesn't stand a snowballs chance in Hades but it's still nice to dream instead of being bummed out about all this bs

    Even if it wasn't a true dual boot and we needed to use something like Nokia Care Suite to change back and forth..I would still welcome it
    snowmutt likes this.
    07-07-2014 07:46 PM
  7. nasellok's Avatar
    I think what we are going to get that will shock the mobile world will be more of an android hub within windows 9. Native android run within a launcher, similar to the games hub, only it will be a place to launch android apps. This will hopefully be a universal app that runs on phone tablet and pc. I could see this as a game changer for windows as a platform. If you have an android phone, it would maybe link to it somehow. But they will need to show that the apps developed for windows are always a better option. Flexibility and cross platform support need to really be the focus. Oh yea, stellar hardware will always help.
    Geddeeee likes this.
    07-07-2014 07:59 PM
  8. Kubiubo's Avatar
    This isn't going to be the popular opinion, but everyone needs to realize that Nokia did this with Symbian by switching to Windows Phone, Samsung did this by choosing Android, and HTC did this by using both Windows Phone and Android. They CAN live harmoniously.
    07-07-2014 08:09 PM
  9. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    This isn't going to be the popular opinion, but everyone needs to realize that Nokia did this with Symbian by switching to Windows Phone, Samsung did this by choosing Android, and HTC did this by using both Windows Phone and Android. They CAN live harmoniously.
    AND look at HTC and Samsung windows phone offering....after thoughts compared to their android phones.
    psudotechzealot likes this.
    07-07-2014 08:21 PM
  10. vincelac's Avatar
    AND look at HTC and Samsung windows phone offering....after thoughts compared to their android phones.
    BUT Microsoft doesn't own Samsung and HTC. It's about building an ecosystem. Samsung wants their own mobile OS and they are prioritizing hardware over creating the basis for the OS and an app store. WP already has an OS. Why not try and win people over with a stunning design. They can get the "full" experience by switching to Windows Phone, but they can continue to make Microsoft money via Bing and Nokia hardware by using a Nokia with Android.
    07-07-2014 08:45 PM
  11. Geddeeee's Avatar
    There is a lot of over reaction to this news...
    I'm sure MS are NOT going to phase out WP anytime soon. They have invested too much time and money in creating what is a stand out mobile phone experience. It's instantly recognisable. If people see it, they know its WP

    If WP could run Android apps, why would that be so bad? Think about it... The OS itself is NOT the problem. It's, as everyone has said ad nauseum, the 'app gap'. If WP had the option to run Android apps, that would mean thousands of apps instantly become available for the user. This would bolster the platform and a lot more people would consider switching to WP from other platforms. I don;t think that developers would stop writing native apps for WP.
    Android apps would just be another string to the bow, so to speak. Imagine Android apps running inside an OS that flies and just works.
    The term 'Lagdroid' is used a lot on here. It's not the apps that are the problem, it is the OS that 'lags'. The apps themselves are not the lag factor....

    The idea that if we could run Android apps, we may as well get an Android device, is utter BS IMHO!!! If people could get access to all those apps, they would consider switching to WP. At the moment it is the lack of apps that is stopping a lot of those potential users shifting across to WP.

    My 18 year old daugher is due for an upgrade in September this year. She is currently on iOS, and has been for years. She has asked for a Lumia 930 as the replacement. As she has said, "I don't like Android, it's too cluttered and complicated." A lot of her friends have WP devices, so she has had the chance to use them, and she likes the WP platform. As long as she can use Twitter, make calls and text,, thats pretty much all she cares about.

    MS know what they're doing. (even if a lot of users think they don't). they wouldn't have survived this long if they didn't. We may not like the way they do things from time to time, but they always deliver in the end. They are still a relevant multi million dollar company, who are still innovating today. Look at Android L and iOS. Their 'new' UI is a blatant copy of the way things are done on WP. Simpler graphics, flattened icons, transitional animations... Where did they get that idea, I wonder???

    So, let's stop sounding the death knell for WP every 2 minutes, and get behind it instead. It 'ain't going anywhere!!! We chose this platform for a reason..
    Simply put, it's slick, sexy and cool and will only continue to get better. New WP devices are being announced almost daily. Doesn't sound like a dying platform to me. If MS didn't believe thay had a winner, they would have dumped it a long time ago, before the Nokia acquisition.

    MS seem to be thinking 'outside the box' on this one. And I'm sure the tight control that MS has on its store would be maintained. Security issues are down to the OS and lacklustre quality control on the Android Store.

    So let's stop the paranoia, and enjoy the journey ahead. It;s gonna be a f***ing blast!!!!
    Last edited by Geddeeee; 07-07-2014 at 09:17 PM.
    07-07-2014 08:53 PM
  12. vincelac's Avatar
    What exactly is stopping Android apps from running on WP? Different languages? Can't simple ports fix the problem? I don't understand why it is so hard to get the apps on WP.
    07-07-2014 09:01 PM
  13. Geddeeee's Avatar
    What exactly is stopping Android apps from running on WP? Different languages? Can't simple ports fix the problem? I don't understand why it is so hard to get the apps on WP.
    Because Android is the Linux kernel and WP is based on NT/ARM. I'm sure that if MS were considering this, they would want any realtime 'porting' software to run without lag. It's not as simple as porting the apps across, If that was the case, all the apps would run like ****!!!
    07-07-2014 09:07 PM
  14. vincelac's Avatar
    Because Android is the Linux kernel and WP is based on NT/ARM. I'm sure that if MS were considering this, they would want any realtime 'porting' software to run without lag. It's not as simple as porting the apps across, If that was the case, all the apps would run like ****!!!
    So if we were looking at it like language families, WP is like Chinese while Android is like German. Completely different language families that are very difficult to translate?
    07-07-2014 09:15 PM
  15. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Difficult but not impossible.... An elegant and robust solution is required for this sort of thing, and I'm sure if anyone can, MS can.....
    07-07-2014 09:29 PM
  16. vincelac's Avatar
    One can only hope. They do seem to have all the resources to succeed.
    07-07-2014 09:34 PM
  17. AG VK's Avatar
    Simply put, it's slick, sexy and cool and will only continue to get better. New WP devices are being announced almost daily. Doesn't sound like a dying platform to me. If MS didn't believe thay had a winner, they would have dumped it a long time ago, before the Nokia acquisition.

    MS seem to be thinking 'outside the box' on this one. And I'm sure the tight control that MS has on its store would be maintained. Security issues are down to the OS and lacklustre quality control on the Android Store.

    So let's stop the paranoia, and enjoy the journey ahead. It;s gonna be a blast!!!!
    Where are new WP devices being announced almost every day? If MS launched an Android (actually any non-WP phone), that is pretty much a statement that WP will never take off and they need to get revenue out of people on other platforms.
    07-07-2014 11:27 PM
  18. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    So, false alarm? :)
    07-08-2014 12:15 AM
  19. Geddeeee's Avatar
    So, false alarm? :)
    I believe so.

    I think MS are seriously looking at a way to run Android apps on WP. Somebody at EV Leaks has heard a whisper, and has changed that into "MS WILL be releasing an Android based Lumia".... It was a one line comment, and it has generated so much backlash, it is unbelievable!!!!

    It's great that WP owners are so passionate, but let's look at the reality, instead of 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' (An English saying).

    Anyway, 8.1 and Cyan are just around the corner. Let's enjoy that instead!!!!
    07-08-2014 12:25 AM
  20. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Where are new WP devices being announced almost every day? If MS launched an Android (actually any non-WP phone), that is pretty much a statement that WP will never take off and they need to get revenue out of people on other platforms.
    Again, more negativity!!!!

    As for the upcoming WP devices... Read the news on these forums.

    It's a RUMOUR by EV Leaks that an Android Lumia is in the works. Even if that is so, why is it the end of WP??? There is no basis for that apart from the apparent 'fly by nighters', who seem to have got their knickers in a twist over one f***ing line on a 'rumours' website....

    It amazes me that some WP owners will not stop until we all agree, 'it's over'. Well it quite clearly isn't.

    Answer this... Why would a huge company still produce phones and technology based on a 'dead' OS. It makes no sense at all. Business wise or or in any other sense. There seems to be a load of upcoming phones: budget, midrange and high end. What a great idea. "We're going to dump OUR OS and mobile business, but still keep producing phones, based on that OS, anyway!!" Or even better, "Let's base all our upcoming phones on an OS that is owned by our 'mortal enemy'.
    Do you think Google would agree to that, when they and MS have been at each others' throats for years, in and out of the courts.
    Remember the YouTube app by MS that was pulled because Google weren't happy that it bypassed the ads. then promised to 'work with MS' on an app that was 'compatible' with their business view? Google gave the promised YouTube APIs to MS, then promptly changed the code so any app was incompatible. Amazing!!!!

    I remember when WP7 came out. The critics and hacks lined up to predict the death of that offering and also MS as a company. Well it was successful, to a point. Then MS released the 520 and 920. Their biggest successes to date......

    Anyway, if you feel that it is over, please leave by the door marked 'Exit'.

    Personally, I think I'll stay until the end.......
    Last edited by Geddeeee; 07-08-2014 at 12:42 AM.
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    07-08-2014 12:27 AM
  21. Chregu's Avatar
    Do you think Google would agree to that, when they and MS have been at each others' throats for years, in and out of the courts.
    Well that doesn't count. Nobody was more at each others' throat in court than Apple and Samsung, Samsung is still very happy to produce displays for Apple.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/...etina-displays
    07-08-2014 12:58 AM
  22. smnrock's Avatar
    May be this is the one... The Microsoft developer hints as awesome? Could be with dual boot options... WP and Android

    Sent from my GT-I9506 using Tapatalk
    07-08-2014 01:05 AM
  23. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Well that doesn't count. Nobody was more at each others' throat in court than Apple and Samsung, Samsung is still very happy to produce displays for Apple.

    Samsung once again Apple's top supplier of 9.7" iPad Retina displays
    Yeah, and they also probably supply the RAM and CPUs as well. Do you think Samsung are bothered? In the end Apple is handing over cash to Samsung, and I'm sure Sammie are happy with that... In the end they won!!!
    07-08-2014 01:06 AM
  24. Elitis's Avatar
    There is no way this helps Windows Phone any way you look at it. That will definitely be the day I go android and guess what, I won't be getting a Lumia!
    Sent from my Lumia 1520 using Tapatalk
    Actually, it helps WP more than you think. What Microsoft and by extension, Nokia, have been doing is pretty smart. The number one reason people are too stubborn to even try WP is because they don't like the live tiles. Then we have the "WP doesn't have any apps" claim. So, how do you get around these issues? You use the number one mobile OS to your advantage. There are so many people who love Nokia, but have never liked the fact they went all in with WP. They wanted an Android phone with Nokia's "amazing hardware".

    Just because of the fact it's a Nokia, people will buy it. Just look at the sales numbers of the Nokia X series. It may not have much effect on the people who just don't like the UI, but for those who simply wanted Android, the plan works wonders. The UI on the X series closely resembles the Modern/Metro UI. You get people used to it through these Android phones, and eventually, the hope is that they decide to give WP a try. They become so used to the UI, that it starts to feel like a natural progression. It's gradual brainwashing.
    07-08-2014 01:32 AM
  25. wabelo's Avatar
    So what happens if MS release a mobile version of BlueStacks (an android app emulator) for Windows Phone? It would be great, we can use the apk's we want (except the ones that requires root permissions) for free and have the option to use them like the games, in the app list or in a hub. Just sayin'. What do you think about that possibility?
    07-08-2014 01:50 AM
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