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  1. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Well point is people who are saying they will moveon dont really follow or care about microsoft blindly.bought wp coz they liked the platform.for such people if the support for wp is decreased there is not much point in persisting with the platform.and if microsoft goes android route that will happen.

    And if I wanted an Android ill get proper one with full app support ,not a forked one.
    07-09-2014 12:35 PM
  2. Geddeeee's Avatar
    Well point is people who are saying they will moveon dont really follow or care about microsoft blindly.bought wp coz they liked the platform.for such people if the support for wp is decreased there is not much point in persisting with the platform.and if microsoft goes android route that will happen.

    And if I wanted an Android ill get proper one with full app support ,not a forked one.
    I don't understand if MS made and Android device, WP would be dead. It makes no sense.

    Samsung make Android and WP devices. LG are supposed to be bringing a WP phone to market, same as Sony...... Would their business die if they concentrated on 2 or multiple platforms? Highly doubtful!!!
    Beacuse MS makes the OS makes no difference.

    The question is: 'Is WP a relevant paltform?' Of course....
    Will making thousands of Android apps available kill WP? No.. It's laughable!!!

    Everyone is assuming it would be done via a VM. Do you think that MS are working on a way to do this without using a VM? Maybe.... That would be a true 'game changer'. Apps and OS are two seperate entities. They stand alone, but work in tandem to deliver a useable experience.
    Look at the current FB app. It looks no different to the iOS or Android versions. Yes, it's awful, but that is down to FB, not MS. They are shackled by what FB allows.

    It's still a rumour about a 'device'. Just probably a high end X series device with a Lumia branding.... So what!!!!

    I'm sure we will see thousands of users switching to WP as it matures and gets better and better. It will fill the void left by the 'Chicken Little' crowd....
    07-09-2014 12:57 PM
  3. SoullessOnyx's Avatar
    Can someone explain this to me? Does this mean a Lumia running Android as its OS or a Lumia running Windows Phone but with Android apps? I'm confused nonetheless.
    07-09-2014 02:25 PM
  4. Mavee Shah's Avatar
    Can someone explain this to me? Does this mean a Lumia running Android as its OS or a Lumia running Windows Phone but with Android apps? I'm confused nonetheless.
    Both of them are in rumors don't know what is going to be true
    07-09-2014 02:44 PM
  5. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I don't understand if MS made and Android device, WP would be dead. It makes no sense.

    Samsung make Android and WP devices. LG are supposed to be bringing a WP phone to market, same as Sony...... Would their business die if they concentrated on 2 or multiple platforms? Highly doubtful!!!
    Beacuse MS makes the OS makes no difference.

    The question is: 'Is WP a relevant paltform?' Of course....
    Will making thousands of Android apps available kill WP? No.. It's laughable!!!

    Everyone is assuming it would be done via a VM. Do you think that MS are working on a way to do this without using a VM? Maybe.... That would be a true 'game changer'. Apps and OS are two seperate entities. They stand alone, but work in tandem to deliver a useable experience.
    Look at the current FB app. It looks no different to the iOS or Android versions. Yes, it's awful, but that is down to FB, not MS. They are shackled by what FB allows.

    It's still a rumour about a 'device'. Just probably a high end X series device with a Lumia branding.... So what!!!!

    I'm sure we will see thousands of users switching to WP as it matures and gets better and better. It will fill the void left by the 'Chicken Little' crowd....
    It's been explained several times over. If even Big daddy Microsoft is showing second thoughts about Windows Phone then what will LG and Sony think ? Low end Phone limbo? This is tantamount to Google releasing a WP. It's a white flag. A vote of no confidence.
    07-09-2014 04:13 PM
  6. Geddeeee's Avatar
    MS aren't showing second thoughts at all.
    Why is everyone so certain about this? You are very wrong if you think that.
    That's why nobody has heard of a response from MS or Dan Rubino. It's a non rumour that doesn't warrant a reply!!!
    But once again, certain WP users have added fuel to the fire by whining and speculating that it's 'all over'.It says more about them than the rumour itself. I wish they would get a grip!!!!!
    07-09-2014 04:58 PM
  7. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    I don't understand if MS made and Android device, WP would be dead. It makes no sense.

    Samsung make Android and WP devices. LG are supposed to be bringing a WP phone to market, same as Sony...... Would their business die if they concentrated on 2 or multiple platforms? Highly doubtful!!!
    Beacuse MS makes the OS makes no difference.

    The question is: 'Is WP a relevant paltform?' Of course....
    Will making thousands of Android apps available kill WP? No.. It's laughable!!!

    Everyone is assuming it would be done via a VM. Do you think that MS are working on a way to do this without using a VM? Maybe.... That would be a true 'game changer'. Apps and OS are two seperate entities. They stand alone, but work in tandem to deliver a useable experience.
    Look at the current FB app. It looks no different to the iOS or Android versions. Yes, it's awful, but that is down to FB, not MS. They are shackled by what FB allows.

    It's still a rumour about a 'device'. Just probably a high end X series device with a Lumia branding.... So what!!!!

    I'm sure we will see thousands of users switching to WP as it matures and gets better and better. It will fill the void left by the 'Chicken Little' crowd....
    point is the more apt comparison here would be...scenario where iOS starts to lose an apple goes android route.

    Samsung,lg are mere oems like nokia was before.they dont have allegiance to any OS just profit.
    07-09-2014 06:15 PM
  8. trwrt's Avatar
    Microsoft might be able to get away with it on the low end where people are coming from the featurephone world, but it's hard to imagine there is much of a market for high-end Android phones that don't have access to the Play Store. I don't buy it.
    07-10-2014 12:59 AM
  9. Jazmac's Avatar
    07-10-2014 01:05 AM
  10. oliverr871's Avatar
    If you can't beat them, join them.
    07-10-2014 11:55 AM
  11. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    If you can't beat them, join them.
    Wrong.
    07-10-2014 12:01 PM
  12. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
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    Strangely enough didn't the movie feature an alien invasion afterwards, and the fairy tale a fox attack?
    Does that mean that you're implying there's another way Microsoft wants to screw -up WP?
    Hope not, because I'm getting a new Surface Pro 3 and some super-Lumia to go with it
    07-10-2014 01:15 PM
  13. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Strangely enough didn't the movie feature an alien invasion afterwards, and the fairy tale a fox attack?
    Does that mean that you're implying there's another way Microsoft wants to screw -up WP?
    Hope not, because I'm getting a new Surface Pro 3 and some super-Lumia to go with it
    Also. I go with the people who say that this is a dumb rumor. So yeah
    07-10-2014 04:08 PM
  14. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I thought by now this thread would have run it's course but it seems that people like going in circles. I think it's just part of human nature. :P

    So let's look at things from a rational point of view. Feel free to argue.

    MS releases an Android phone under the Lumia name with high specs. Is this a good things for WP considering most people associate WP with Lumia. Answer, no, it will simply confuse the consumer. I don't see any advantage other than giving people what they wanted from Nokia when they switched to WP. People were begging for Nokia Android phones. We have the X series at the low end and we know that people are rooting these already, do we really see it any differently with a high end phone?

    MS plans to implement a Android VM onto WP to help with the 'app gap'. Is this a good idea? Yes and no.
    We know from experience that putting Android on a device won't help sells out but of course BB was already on it's way into irrelevancy before it did that. It just didn't help the situation. Is WP in the same place as BB was when they did it? Not really. Unlike BB, WP has been growing regardless of the lackluster phones that have come out lately.

    So in what way would a VM help or work? In my opinion, the only way this idea of having Android apps on WP would work is, if and only if, it's completely and utterly seamless. Meaning you would never know you were using or downloading and Android app. To the user it would simply just be an app. That's it. No special store. No special launcher. No indication anywhere that you're not downloading and using a WP app. If they can do that, then I think it would be fine. If they can't do that, then it's a botch and it will fail miserably.

    I'll wait and see what MS does and if any of these rumours have any truth to them. Until then we can discuss all we want but it's just really talking about nothing and getting upset over an unknown.
    MikeSo and megadragon998 like this.
    07-11-2014 07:23 AM
  15. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    YKW. Lets ask Arstechnica, they usually know what they're saying http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-capitulation/
    theefman and bijak_riyandi like this.
    07-12-2014 06:05 PM
  16. DER1996's Avatar
    I don't know why , but if the windows phone community seems to be repeting on sentence over and over and over than it is " The end is coming " , believe it's not .... not yet any way . All I know is this some crazy rumor that will probably never happen ( what's next windows 9 to be based on Linux :p , or Microsoft is open sourcing office :p ) I have 99% that this rumor is pure fiction , BUT a Lumia that can run android apps + the unification of all the stores ( - s40 store ) is NOT IMPOSSIBLE , but still FAR-FETCHED in my personal humble opinion. Oh and seriously if windows phone survived the transition from WP7 to WP8 without dying than it can go through this period with minimum damage , I know its' growth has slowed down but hat's simply because not that much hardware has been released in 2014 ( globally that is ) but with the holiday season on horizon , I bet you're going to be seeing a lot of windows sold ( but in no way near to androids :p because that would unfortunately be delusional )
    dalydose likes this.
    07-12-2014 10:42 PM
  17. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I don't know why , but if the windows phone community seems to be repeting on sentence over and over and over than it is " The end is coming " , believe it's not .... not yet any way . All I know is this some crazy rumor that will probably never happen ( what's next windows 9 to be based on Linux :p , or Microsoft is open sourcing office :p ) I have 99% that this rumor is pure fiction , BUT a Lumia that can run android apps + the unification of all the stores ( - s40 store ) is NOT IMPOSSIBLE , but still FAR-FETCHED in my personal humble opinion. Oh and seriously if windows phone survived the transition from WP7 to WP8 without dying than it can go through this period with minimum damage , I know its' growth has slowed down but hat's simply because not that much hardware has been released in 2014 ( globally that is ) but with the holiday season on horizon , I bet you're going to be seeing a lot of windows sold ( but in no way near to androids :p because that would unfortunately be delusional )
    Windows Phone + Android apps...remember OS/2? No?
    Remember BB10? No?
    Sailfish OS? Jolla?
    Ever used Instagram on Amazon? Starbucks? Exactly.
    Android Apps on WP is a Kamikaze attack aimed at Google that will fail to do anything but kill the attackers and highlight their desperation.
    07-13-2014 02:49 AM
  18. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Well. Peter Bright just said that its real
    07-14-2014 12:29 AM
  19. MikeSo's Avatar
    Well. Peter Bright just said that its real
    Are you referring to his single tweet "So apparently, Windows PhOS/2ne is real. And real stupid."

    I think we'd need more than that to believe it's real.
    07-14-2014 01:20 AM
  20. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Are you referring to his single tweet "So apparently, Windows PhOS/2ne is real. And real stupid."

    I think we'd need more than that to believe it's real.
    And the tweets after that. Also, Tom Warren and Neowin
    07-14-2014 03:19 AM
  21. Wielbladek's Avatar
    Android app support would be definitely a win-win for windows phone, even without native performance. From the marketing point of view, it is a great way to show that even user isn't limited in terms of apps, it is still better to build windows phone native apps to boost user experience.
    07-14-2014 03:42 AM
  22. HelloLudger's Avatar
    Having the Android Runtime under WP would really be suicidal. Maybe they can do it the other way around: Enable WP apps to be compiled as first class Android apps (and maybe even IOS?). This way they would encourage development using their tools and for WP instead of pushing them away...
    Sent from my Lumia 920 using Tapatalk.
    07-14-2014 04:22 AM
  23. bilzkh's Avatar
    Seriously, why doesn't Microsoft just say they're putting an end to Windows Phone? Can't live with the shame?
    07-14-2014 06:12 AM
  24. anon(5383410)'s Avatar
    Anything short of running their own is on their own phones with their own app store, which only supports their own apps, is suicide.
    07-14-2014 06:22 AM
  25. rodan01's Avatar
    I thought by now this thread would have run it's course but it seems that people like going in circles. I think it's just part of human nature. :P

    So let's look at things from a rational point of view. Feel free to argue.

    MS releases an Android phone under the Lumia name with high specs. Is this a good things for WP considering most people associate WP with Lumia. Answer, no, it will simply confuse the consumer. I don't see any advantage other than giving people what they wanted from Nokia when they switched to WP. People were begging for Nokia Android phones. We have the X series at the low end and we know that people are rooting these already, do we really see it any differently with a high end phone?

    A Lumia X pureview could be a good product, the camera is a good differentiator. A Lumia X for the enterprise integrated with MS services could be a good product too.
    I don't know if Lumia is a good brand, but they can sell ASOP with MS services in high-end hardware.
    07-14-2014 09:27 AM
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