07-07-2014 01:04 PM
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  1. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Hey Win Phans, you lived through the change from WP7 to WP8 and survived. You endured the app gap, you watched the music experience disintegrate and other platforms get a better Office and Skype experience, yet you're still here despite Microsoft's best efforts to push you away.

    Microsoft is, as we all know, never one to give up trying to alienate its fanbase and now plans to bring out a Lumia powered by Android. Yes, you heard me right. A Lumia powered by freaking ANDROID. An android phone with the LUMIA name.

    Instead of spending time developing WP, they mess about with Android.

    I'll say it now, if WP dies, it will not be because of one major thing, it'll be the death of a 1000 cuts.

    Android powered Lumia bearing ‘Nokia by Microsoft’ branding rumored | NPU

    I'm pissed off, spent so much money in the app store, paid the XBM monthly subscription, endured ...loading..and resuming... and not having the latest apps. Now MS have gone all burning platform on us. do this and they can take their Phone and suck it
    sahib lopez likes this.
    07-07-2014 01:57 AM
  2. Chregu's Avatar
    Well, all my anger was already spent on the X2, the better, cheaper Lumia 630.

    For this here I have only a shrug left.
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    07-07-2014 02:18 AM
  3. Pete's Avatar
    One swallow does not a summer make.
    07-07-2014 02:20 AM
  4. Chregu's Avatar
    One swallow does not a summer make.
    Luminous beings are we…not this crude matter.
    07-07-2014 02:31 AM
  5. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    One swallow does not a summer make.
    A dozen however...
    07-07-2014 02:35 AM
  6. afnan_mc's Avatar
    Hello there.
    I'm pissed too. But you know what.? It makes sense for them. That's not just me supporting Microsoft. God no. If you've seen reviews the Lumia series gets, you'd almost certainly notice if it weren't for the OS, they'd constantly get near perfect scores. It sucks, I'm aware. When the Nokia X was announced, I didn't mind, it was a low end device with a Windows Phone based UI connected to Microsoft's services.
    And that's the very point here. This probably wont be the Android I've come to know and love (hate it all you want, but Android L looks gorgeous right now. I'll stick with WP, but just saying). It'll help transition users to the Windows Phone ecosystem.
    Then there's pricing. That's the key reasoning here. There'll be one phone, I'm hoping Is low-mid range, and that's about it. They're not creating an entire line and ditching Windows Phone. Microsoft has invested way too much on the platform and now has a viable app base. Half a million developers is not something you just turn your back on just like that.

    Seems to me, based on reading the original post, you're going over your head hating Microsoft.

    That said, if any Microsoft employee is reading thus (I've been told you guys do that), please do stick with what you know best. And that's Windows Phone. I'm probably not going to ditch Windows Phone if you make and Android powered Lumia, but several are going to be awfully pissed at you.
    07-07-2014 02:43 AM
  7. Chregu's Avatar
    If you've seen reviews the Lumia series gets, you'd almost certainly notice if it weren't for the OS, they'd constantly get near perfect scores.
    The Lumia 630 got withering reviews because of the hardware. The reviews of Windows Phone 8.1 and the higher-end hardware in general (1520 for example) were pretty good if I remember correctly.
    07-07-2014 02:46 AM
  8. Xeon Gutierrez's Avatar
    And that's the very point here. This probably wont be the Android I've come to know and love (hate it all you want, but Android L looks gorgeous right now. I'll stick with WP, but just saying). It'll help transition users to the Windows Phone ecosystem.
    Then there's pricing. That's the key reasoning here. There'll be one phone, I'm hoping Is low-mid range, and that's about it. They're not creating an entire line and ditching Windows Phone. Microsoft has invested way too much on the platform and now has a viable app base. Half a million developers is not something you just turn your back on just like that.
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    We thought that Microsoft would make only one Nokia X phone, and dump it... The Nokia X2 proved us wrong. I'm just saying.

    But even if it is a mid ranged phone, having it in the Lumia brand implies that it is equal to WP in Microsoft's eyes. MS needs to have faith in their own platform.
    07-07-2014 02:55 AM
  9. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    The Lumia 630 got withering reviews because of the hardware. The reviews of Windows Phone 8.1 and the higher-end hardware in general (1520 for example) were pretty good if I remember correctly.
    In addition, if the OS drags the hardware down, then improve the ****ing OS. Aren't they a software company?
    07-07-2014 02:58 AM
  10. afnan_mc's Avatar
    Again, they do. Samsung has been resting Tizen so I'm guessing you believe Android users are going to ditch Samsung? Please. Right now, as I said I'm not fond of the idea, but I highly doubt that its one that'd cause me to leave the OS entirely. Especially since, like you, I've invested in the ecosystem too.
    07-07-2014 02:58 AM
  11. afnan_mc's Avatar
    The Lumia 630 got withering reviews because of the hardware. The reviews of Windows Phone 8.1 and the higher-end hardware in general (1520 for example) were pretty good if I remember correctly.
    I meant the 1520 actually.
    Yes, the 630 is a rather sad device. It's hard to reason getting it instead of the Moto E.
    07-07-2014 03:00 AM
  12. afnan_mc's Avatar
    In addition, if the OS drags the hardware down, then improve the ****ing OS. Aren't they a software company?
    Let me get this straight. You're saying Windows Phone lags on the device?
    07-07-2014 03:03 AM
  13. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    I meant the 1520 actually.
    Yes, the 630 is a rather sad device. It's hard to reason getting it instead of the Moto E.
    The 925 and the 1020 got high reviews 8.1 on the verge, I believe. The 1520 had its own problems with scaling and apps designed for bug screens.
    07-07-2014 03:03 AM
  14. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Let me get this straight. You're saying Windows Phone lags on the device?
    One WP does lag. There is an argument below....its just....loading...resuming...sorry I forgot

    What I mean is that software problems can be dealt with by Microsoft. Of they find the OS inefficient, then they who make the OS can fix it. They aren't some lowly OEM. They are Microsoft.
    P.s, the 630 is an insult to the 620
    07-07-2014 03:06 AM
  15. Master Chaos5's Avatar
    Lol WP is dead. MS should stop ******* around and pay attention to their own OS. They don't care about their loyal customers. Well I am going to good ol' apple if that happens :)
    07-07-2014 03:26 AM
  16. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    While it makes business sense in theory, I don't think you can buy consumer trust. Fool us once with the N9, once more with WP7 and then dump WP8 and then watch apple and google pick up your consumers while you reboot over and over again (as well as destroy the Nokia name)
    Mavee Shah likes this.
    07-07-2014 04:03 AM
  17. anon(5969054)'s Avatar
    I think it is a genius move by MS. They have no other chance of succeeding. They have to use a Trojan Horse. This phone is it.
    - It keeps the hardware factories running, while WP has time to grow. Also, when they can buy more chips, memory and sensors, they can buy them cheaper, and thus make more income or prices their devices lower.
    - It generates income, because Android = money for MS.
    - Together with devices like the 520 they could serve the WHOLE bottom market with just these two devices. They can sell this Android phone cheaper than other OEMS because they have to pay less for Android, and thus offer more specs.This is crucial to hook all first-time smartphone users to their services. These first-time users are the people that MS wants to grab. They are billions of people for grabbing, they are not iPhone or Android fans yet.
    - It serves to give the 'Lumia look' of phones more appearance in the open. Thus people who are 'Android positive' will spread good words about it, then people will associate the look of the phone with a positive experience and they might as well buy a phone that looks the same, but has WP the next time they upgrade their device.
    - It hooks people to MS services, thus also hooks them to MS tablets and PC's.
    - They will be devices in a lower price range, so an upgrade to a better more expensive phone will lure them to a WP.
    - Not only the 'Lumia look' will make more appearance in the open, but also the Nokia by Microsoft brand.
    - They will get more users for Onedrive, Office, Outlook etc. These departments are crucial to survive, to be able to generate income to pay for the development of WP.
    - Once MS has achieved a milestone with WP they will obviously kill these Android phones.
    rodan01 likes this.
    07-07-2014 04:40 AM
  18. Chregu's Avatar
    I think it is a genius move by MS. They have no other chance of succeeding. They have to use a Trojan Horse. This phone is it.
    - It keeps the hardware factories running, while WP has time to grow. Also, when they can buy more chips, memory and sensors, they can buy them cheaper, and thus make more income or prices their devices lower.
    - It generates income, because Android = money for MS.
    - Together with devices like the 520 they could serve the WHOLE bottom market with just these two devices. They can sell this Android phone cheaper than other OEMS because they have to pay less for Android, and thus offer more specs.This is crucial to hook all first-time smartphone users to their services. These first-time users are the people that MS wants to grab. They are billions of people for grabbing, they are not iPhone or Android fans yet.
    - It serves to give the 'Lumia look' of phones more appearance in the open. Thus people who are 'Android positive' will spread good words about it, then people will associate the look of the phone with a positive experience and they might as well buy a phone that looks the same, but has WP the next time they upgrade their device.
    - It hooks people to MS services, thus also hooks them to MS tablets and PC's.
    - They will be devices in a lower price range, so an upgrade to a better more expensive phone will lure them to a WP.
    - Not only the 'Lumia look' will make more appearance in the open, but also the Nokia by Microsoft brand.
    - They will get more users for Onedrive, Office, Outlook etc. These departments are crucial to survive, to be able to generate income to pay for the development of WP.
    - Once MS has achieved a milestone with WP they will obviously kill these Android phones.
    I'm sure somebody presented it like this in Microsoft's headquarters. I don't just understand how somebody could believe that things work like this.
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    07-07-2014 06:11 AM
  19. Randy Law's Avatar
    Microsoft has lost the war against Google. The mobile phone and tablet space has been dominated by Google, and Windows Phone will never grow further once Microsoft-based hardware have Android installed. The desktop space will soon be gone to Google also, as Windows 8 and cloud services (Gmail, Google Docs, Chrome, etc.) continues to bring more users over to Google. Microsoft has only itself to blame, coming from such a dominant position of the past. Screwups like Steve Ballmer and Sinofsky (at least his vision of the Windows OS).
    07-07-2014 06:32 AM
  20. IceCrush's Avatar
    I for one, will ditch windows phone if an Android nokia phone comes out.
    How do i believe in something its makers don't believe in?
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    07-07-2014 06:40 AM
  21. Mavee Shah's Avatar
    Read it guys it's end of WP era
    Android apps for WP & RT confirmed?

    https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status...09983785119744



    This is from earlier confirmation that Microsoft will Sell Android Lumia range.

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    07-07-2014 06:52 AM
  22. badMojo69's Avatar
    Oh just wait until they make Nokia X only droid apps that look and feel like WP apps .... :)
    07-07-2014 07:14 AM
  23. bilzkh's Avatar
    Microsoft has made some weird and self-destructive decisions on the mobile front, this whole Android is definitely going nuclear, but on home soil, and for no purpose. First they diluted the strength of their low-end WPs (i.e. their competitive advantage) by bringing in the Nokia X, and that too in markets where WP was already doing well in, good job Microsoft, screw-up #1.

    And now they're stabbing the efforts of committed Windows and Windows Phone developers through this Android on Windows Phone/RT nonsense.

    How are they confident that Android developers will even permit their apps to run on Windows? What if the concern goes from "lack of market share" to "wishing to preserve our brand image, we want to give platforms a native tier-one experience, not an emulated drag." ?? If that is the risk (which is huge), then you won't have your own developers to fall back on, just ask Blackberry. Screw-up #2.

    How the F do you not have a range of competitive mid-end smartphones? I've been barking about this since the Lumia 720 was unveiled, i.e. the need to take that and develop it into a solid mid-end encompassing key specs, e.g. HD screen, LTE, PureView camera, etc and an affordable price-point of $299 (and up depending on storage). Microsoft could have at least taken on the Moto G surge, if not pre-empted it... but no... let's push crappy low-end phones, and in tandem, unbelievably unavailable high-end phones (hello, Canada?) Screw-up #3.

    Speaking of apps, did they just forget that Windows 8.x/RT has more native apps and games than bloody Chrome OS? How the heck aren't they playing on that competitive advantage to the OEMs? How the F is there no marketing or messaging on this front?

    Microsoft is run by idiots, if not at the very top, then definitely in the middle - at least in the business development, sales and marketing lines.

    It's not only that these people don't know squat, it's that they don't care. I doubt many of these executives and managers are even using Windows Phone fulltime, many of them probably have an iPhone for personal usage and a MacBook Air at home, I guarantee it. And not for the sake of understanding the competition, nooo ... but that's where they live, they lack devotion to Microsoft (the kind of devotion that gets Apple and Google to push forward aggressively).
    07-07-2014 08:00 AM
  24. badMojo69's Avatar
    You know I noticed that there are Windows Store Apps that are just movies. :)
    Those are not apps WTH!
    07-07-2014 08:17 AM
  25. rodan01's Avatar
    Microsoft can't use the Nokia brand forever. They have to rebrand Nokia X to Lumia X.



    Nokia X needs LIVE tiles, Cortana, more apps in the store before moving to high end hardware and entering in the US market. I hope for 2015.
    07-07-2014 10:02 AM
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