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  1. Chregu's Avatar
    Well, there might be a problem for normal customers:

    Retail pricing starts at $1,300.
    07-11-2014 07:01 AM
  2. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I'm wondering how does OP define the 'flagship'. Should it include every single feature in the world or not (even completely unnecessary like fingerprint sensor).

    If a fingerprint scanner is well implemented(like on iPhone 5S) it isn't unnecessary.

    I just wanted to point out that I like the design of Windows Phones, design preference varies from person to person, so it's not really an issue.
    07-11-2014 07:06 AM
  3. dov1978's Avatar
    I don't think WP is dead in the water but the future certainly doesn't look bright right now. I agree on the flagship part, an upgraded 1520 and 1020 would fix that. I'm currently using the 1320 and love the size of it and large phones are gladly here to stay hence why Apple are now joining in with a 5.5" iphone this autumn/fall. WP 8.1 was a massive leap forward and put us right in the mix with iOS and Android. That was achieved by simply listening to and actioning what us users asked for. If the quality of apps and missing apps were on par with iOS and Android there would be no issue getting people on board whatsoever. People don't want to switch and get less featured and apps than they did before. As for the hardware, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Since my Lumia 800 Nokia have created a gorgeous, rock solid, sleek handset that I rate higher than anything else out there
    07-11-2014 07:15 AM
  4. MarCou's Avatar
    At this point of view WPs global marketshare abaut 4% seems logically right. WP offers nothing at time. If someone prefer waterproof phone, but not so much google or apps, cant find WP phone. Or if someone wants plenty of apps but dont care so much waterproof phone, WP still have nothing to offer. WP offers only phones for those who are not so picky or have lot of inner hate aimed to google or android.

    "WP has three high-end, almost-flagship devices"

    This have been Nokias strategy for ages. They never really had a one over all phone, except their very early years. They tried this style of approach to smartphones too, but it seemed to be very wrong desicion.

    Others seems to have much better strategy. First they bring flagship and then they bring mid-range phone under flagships name. For example Galaxy S4 mini. Nothing to do with S4 but name. As easily 630 could be "930 mini".

    WP loosed the game when two kings in own field joidend. They both used to live in the world where no one have ever threaten them. Nokia owned mobilemarkets and MS computers platform markets. They think that they can come out and say:"Here is our phone, take it." The didnt see that world was changing.

    The biggest problem is that mobilemarkets are already shared. Its not enought to bring a device that can compete against other. It have to be device that makes others to compete against it. Peoples already are familiar with Android or iOS. They already have google or apple accounts. You have to show those peoples that this is better than your current platform. And there still stands a problem. Nothing to show for now.

    It seems that every big author have little population fighting against it. Windows had linux-users who hated Microsoft and told us that Linux will be no1 platform in computers in very short order. Now it has turned around. All those 4% is telling us that WP will be dominating phonemarkets in a little while. Did linux ever won? No. So what are possbilities to won now?

    Maybe some T-shirt maker should start doing shirts with big yellow "4%er" logo. ha ha.
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    07-11-2014 07:27 AM
  5. docfreed's Avatar
    Yes, this is 2014 and XBox is the biggest POS invented - it's difficult to even resume your place or bookmark a place in audio whereas in Itunes you can. What is MS thinking to saddle us with this execrably bad app.
    07-11-2014 07:36 AM
  6. Great deal's Avatar
    Ive been quite negative regarding MS sometimes, however I have to jump in and respond as this made me angry and heres the reasons....

    1. Limiting choice of phones

    Do you realise that MS spent billions on purchasing a company that makes great phones? do you know what's involved in that and the time it takes to integrate everything? The 930 and probably the 1525 are the last phones to (maybe the McLaren to a certain extent) carry over from the Nokia pipeline and development. MS HAD to wait for completion of deal, its still ongoing as the streamlining/integration takes place. A process that large just does/cannot happen overnight, and when they are fully up and integrated you will see fantastic devices coming through, just not right now for the obvious fact that Nokia are not releasing anything and MS cant because of the purchase of Nokia. The very reason MS purchased Nokia is to bring fantastic devices to us, Rome was not built in a day and MS restructure points to more agility/quality and speed of delivery.

    2. No one cares about WP

    MS cares about WP, you will see as they start rolling out their own devices, as the internal restructure takes place. 8.1? we are on version 8 and 8.1 is starting to roll out now, you have been poisoned by a developers preview and your expectation is too high, why would they release something with glaring problems into the wild, 8.1 DP was a test bed. Patience dude its round the corner.

    3. Monotonous designs

    You mentioned a number of different manufacturers, that's not MS fault. The reason other OEMs have not put much effort into it is because of lack of market share of WP. That is exactly the reason MS purchase Nokia, so they can release amazing, competitive products to grab market share at which point others will jump in and we will see different styles.

    4. No brag-able or show-off worthy features.

    Agree - however due to the sale of Nokia the development lifecycle was halted to a degree and the tech you see today is from last year, the new stuff is coming :)

    5. No rugged or waterproof phones

    See point 3 above

    6. Doesn't work with wearables

    Take that up with the OEM's, MS cant do much until market share increases. Which it will, they are in a transistional phase, a fantastic one which will result in everything we want and more.

    7. Misses official google apps; and games/apps in general.

    If you want Google products, products where your data is taken and sold to 3rd parties so they can sell you crap then just go buy an Android phone. This is WP, a 3rd place company determined to get in to 2nd and then 1st place. They have the money and resources and their actions are evidence that they are committed and manouvering to deliver more to app developers as well as consumers.

    All in all I suggest that if you cant wait till the end of this year then switch to Android/iOS... for me I will wait it out as I can see the effort being made.
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    07-11-2014 07:40 AM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    WP offers nothing at [this] time.
    • What about the best camera phone? Or is being waterproof the only thing that counts in your world?
    • What about being the only smartphone with a consistent UI?
    • What about WP being the only smartphone OS that gives you a choice of OEM, while still offering a standardized hardware platform that guarantees good performance even on low end devices, no matter which device you choose (even tech-o-phobes can rest assured that no matter what they buy, usability won't leave you wanting)?
    • What about WP being more than a glorified app launcher, while still being just as simple to use as an iOS device?


    I could go on, but think that proves the point...
    Last edited by a5cent; 07-11-2014 at 09:28 AM. Reason: formatting
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    07-11-2014 07:41 AM
  8. Chregu's Avatar
    Do you realise that MS spent billions on purchasing a company that makes great phones? do you know what's involved in that and the time it takes to integrate everything? The 930 and probably the 1525 are the last phones to (maybe the McLaren to a certain extent) carry over from the Nokia pipeline and development. MS HAD to wait for completion of deal, its still ongoing as the streamlining/integration takes place. A process that large just does/cannot happen overnight, and when they are fully up and integrated you will see fantastic devices coming through, just not right now for the obvious fact that Nokia are not releasing anything and MS cant because of the purchase of Nokia. The very reason MS purchased Nokia is to bring fantastic devices to us, Rome was not built in a day and MS restructure points to more agility/quality and speed of delivery.
    I realize that.

    There are three issues with this however:


    1. Why should I care as a customer about that? It's none of my business, it's not my business.
    2. Promises (or in this case rather rumors, not promises) are good and all, but the competition is not sleeping, with every month they are more behind. It will only become harder to gain or regain market-share, not easier.
    3. It was always hard for Microsoft to sell stuff, they just don't have the hang of it. And having a repetition of offering a low-cost phone OS that's a little behind won't be easy to shake off either.


    I do understand that these are points Microsoft can do little about, but they gladly make everything worse with offering Android phones that look better than their Windows Phone devices in the same price range.
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    07-11-2014 07:57 AM
  9. Chregu's Avatar
    What about the best camera phone? Or is being waterproof the only thing that counts in your world?
    What about being the only smartphone with a consistent UI?
    What about WP being the only smartphone OS that gives you a choice of OEM, while still offering a standardized hardware platform that guarantees good performance even on low end devices, no matter which device you choose (even tech-o-phobes can rest assured that no matter what they buy, usability won't leave you wanting)?
    What about WP being more than a glorified app launcher, while still being just as simple to use as an iOS device?

    I could go on, but think that proves the point...
    On the camera side the competition is really catching up. With the 920 and 1020 Nokia was really ahead, I don't think the difference is that huge anymore.

    I'm not sure what you mean about the consistency of the UI. I guess you refer to the different skins of Android phones? It's true that Windows Phone doesn't allow that, neither does iOS (naturally). Personally I don't see a problem with that however, why does the OS on a Samsung device have to look exactly the same as the one on a HTC device? The overall quality should be important. And with the notification center copied from Android Microsoft isn't really holding on to Metro anymore anyway. Fastlane looks more Metro.

    Windows Phone was more than a glorified app launcher until Windows Phone 8.1 was released. How is it different from iOS now in this regard?

    I don't disagree with you in general, of course Windows Phone has some great things or else I wouldn't have used it since the release of Windows Phone 7. Still, I think it's not that much of an edge.
    07-11-2014 08:02 AM
  10. Great deal's Avatar
    I realize that.

    There are three issues with this however:


    1. Why should I care as a customer about that? It's none of my business, it's not my business.
    2. Promises (or in this case rather rumors, not promises) are good and all, but the competition is not sleeping, with every month they are more behind. It will only become harder to gain or regain market-share, not easier.
    3. It was always hard for Microsoft to sell stuff, they just don't have the hang of it. And having a repetition of offering a low-cost phone OS that's a little behind won't be easy to shake off either.


    I do understand that these are points Microsoft can do little about, but they gladly make everything worse with offering Android phones that look better than their Windows Phone devices in the same price range.
    1 - Your right - don't buy a WP today is the answer id give to anyone wondering about it.
    2 - Yes - the gap is closing - WP is a little slow right now however they a re a viable 3rd option with the resources behind them to catchup and overtake the other 2.
    3 - The past does not equal the future is a great mantra to live by unfortunate many people use the past to hit them over the head with, nothing except genuine innovation will change that, its coming though.

    Agree they need to stop Android related activity until own OS is in order.
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    07-11-2014 08:08 AM
  11. MarCou's Avatar
    What about the best camera phone? Or is being waterproof the only thing that counts in your world?
    What about being the only smartphone with a consistent UI?
    What about WP being the only smartphone OS that gives you a choice of OEM, while still offering a standardized hardware platform that guarantees good performance even on low end devices, no matter which device you choose (even tech-o-phobes can rest assured that no matter what they buy, usability won't leave you wanting)?
    What about WP being more than a glorified app launcher, while still being just as simple to use as an iOS device?

    I could go on, but think that proves the point...
    Yes. You can be totally right. I dont deny it.

    Read my post again. I didnt say that WP is a poor platform. I dont prefer it, but it is just my choise. I understand that there are plenty of tastes here. I said that something went totally wrong, cos WP have only ~4% marketshare. And I said that it is almost impossible to raise that number anymore. Markets are already saturated.

    So, now you have worlds best platform. Can you tell me what went so totally wrong? And how to tell all of those Android and iOS users that they should change platform? What is so good in WP that they should reject their Google or iOS accounts start all over again?
    07-11-2014 08:36 AM
  12. Warren_S's Avatar
    I really love the simple, fast and easy way to navigate the entire Windows Phone interface. To me that is a long term "plus". But the app development and some simple things that don't work always, like my WP TuneIn Radio app, just keep me shaking my head. Of course I couldn't write a software code to add single digit numbers.
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    07-11-2014 09:02 AM
  13. MBY's Avatar
    If you want Google products, products where your data is taken and sold to 3rd parties so they can sell you crap then just go buy an Android phone.
    For me this point cannot be overstated. When I decided to purchase my first smartphone, there were definitely features of WP that drew me. But just as much as I was excited about WP, I was rejecting Android. With Gobble trying to vacuum up every aspect of your digital life, I really feel less and less like the customer and more and more like the product.

    I don't claim to understand every aspect of this, but MS just seems much more respectful of your privacy. I was really pleased when it was announced that Cortana would use a local (i.e. on your phone) notebook for your data, that the you as the user would be able to edit it directly, and that this data would never be used to target advertising at you. This was just one example, but it seems to exemplify MS's approach to data privacy.

    I'd really love MS to hit this issue aggressively in their marketing. I suspect this approach hurts their monetizing and they probably don't want to paint themselves into a corner down the road. And data privacy probably isn't flashy enough for most people to switch platforms (or to scare people away from Google). But it is a major difference that should at least be highlighted.
    07-11-2014 09:02 AM
  14. guillams's Avatar
    To tell the truth, after getting a glimpse of Android L, I for one am seriously pissed off on Microsoft. They are just too freaking slow. That is something big coming from me as I have supported WP and still do for quiet some time now and exploited my position as tech enthusiast to spread Lumia love in my neighborhood. But that doesn't change the fact that I want to see MS doing better than 4% global share and Google copying Modern interface and integration faster than MS is not going to help.
    I'm not saying that 'm going to abandon the WP ship any time soon -at least as long as I need a PC or Desktop, which is forever- but the things about WP that I hold dear are fast running out as others copy them and I don't like that, I just want WP over iPhones.
    Currently, the only things I care about is what I have shall be able to do what its able to do fairly easily, which WP does flawlessly, Android slows the crap out of me and I'm more pissed off on Google about this than MS, and iPhone is like a high end feature phone to me nothing more. 1020 all the way :)

    I have been a WP from the moment I used the first one (i have been in almost any platform) and to be honest, everytime Android or IOS comes with new features I get excited because that challenge MS to work hard to improve the OS.

    Get upset to soon is useless, if things doesn't change when wp8.1 finally released WW I'll be the first to leave the platform.
    And is not a MS fault no have Google services on WP, scroogle doesn't want to support the OS, so my advice is: Do you want Google's services? Go for Android!
    07-11-2014 09:07 AM
  15. Abdul Rahman Noor's Avatar
    6. Doesn't work with wearables

    Take that up with the OEM's, MS cant do much until market share increases.
    OEMs aren't stupid to spend a ton of money developing for a platform that only has 4% of the market when that same amount of money spent on iOS/Android will yield them better returns.

    Also, I never said it was Microsoft's fault, and for me as an end-user I don't care who's fault it is or what the cause of the problem is.
    All a consumer sees are two competing products - one of which works with wearables, and another that doesn't. If that specific feature is important to that person, they *will* choose an iOS/Android over WP. They don't need to "wait until the end of the year" to see what magic Microsoft will come up with.
    Someone who's already caught up in WP might wait, but not everyone needs to; ultimately the loss is WP's, not the consumer's.

    If you want Google products, products where your data is taken and sold to 3rd parties so they can sell you crap then just go buy an Android phone.
    Once again, the missing-Google-features-don't-matter-because-Microsoft-services-are-better-than-Google argument.

    Consumers are free to choose what they want; and shouldn't have to "choose" Microsoft just because they can't get Google on WP.
    Again, I'm not saying this is Microsoft's fault - but in the end the loss is only for WP when customers go to Android and iOS instead just because Google's missing.
    07-11-2014 09:11 AM
  16. Chregu's Avatar
    The past does not equal the future is a great mantra to live by unfortunate many people use the past to hit them over the head with, nothing except genuine innovation will change that, its coming though.
    Well, I have had quite some success with a different approach: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    In this case I will most likely switch platform in fall, but that doesn't mean that I won't be back if everything will be as great as we all hope. I just don't believe it right now, based on history. And that's another point. I think it's incredibly important to be aware of the past, or else we will just make the same mistakes again and again by naively thinking that everything will be great in the future.
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    07-11-2014 09:11 AM
  17. SAM 77's Avatar
    I sure as hell hope some of the ostriches at MS are reading this thread.

    Nadella is a fool if he thinks cloud is gonna save their bacon.
    WP needs apps to compete with the other two.
    It needs a pro active approach to get apps made for major organisations instead of waiting for them to do it cause they certainly won't based on market share.
    MS sponsor Lotus F1 and crap on about their dynamics BS.
    Well we don't have a F1 app for WP so its just hot f&@#in air to the people that folllow the sport.
    IOS and Android have the official app
    We had an app last year but not this year and nothings getting done about it.
    Said before many times

    Head up ***!!!!!!
    07-11-2014 09:23 AM
  18. rodan01's Avatar
    The biggest reason why people don't buy a Windows Phone is the app gap. Even people that don't use many apps or don't use apps at all, choose Android over WP when friends or sales representatives tell them that the platform doesn't have the apps. Even WP fans warn this issue when they recommend WP.

    The priority should be to solve the app gap. The only way to do it is adding support for Android apps.



    After that they need an advantage over iOS and Android. It'd be great if they add something that change the smartphone market, but it's not necessary. Features that are attractive to group of users are good enough to increase the marker share in the high end. For example, the camera, or the obvious path for MS is productivity and enterprise features.



    Although, for these features to make a difference, they need to solve the app gap first. It's still exist as a general perception even for people that don't use apps.
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    07-11-2014 09:28 AM
  19. Great deal's Avatar
    I sure as hell hope some of the ostriches at MS are reading this thread.

    Nadella is a fool if he thinks cloud is gonna save their bacon.
    WP needs apps to compete with the other two.
    It needs a pro active approach to get apps made for major organisations instead of waiting for them to do it cause they certainly won't based on market share.
    MS sponsor Lotus F1 and crap on about their dynamics BS.
    Well we don't have a F1 app for WP so its just hot f&@#in air to the people that folllow the sport.
    IOS and Android have the official app
    We had an app last year but not this year and nothings getting done about it.
    Said before many times

    Head up ***!!!!!!
    1 - they have metrics that measure the industry - My company is also working on Cloud and he is correct it is the future.
    2 - Obviously - first they need to demonstrate to developers its worth their time - they are slowly heading in the right direction
    3 - The apps are trickling through, as soon as wp hits 10% + globally then ppl will take notice as that's a LOT of people.
    4 - Cant comment except that I love F1!!
    5 - I use ESPNF1 - great app
    6 - There are loads of Apps if your referring to the FIA then as you know, they are useless turds
    07-11-2014 09:32 AM
  20. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Well, I have had quite some success with a different approach: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

    In this case I will most likely switch platform in fall, but that doesn't mean that I won't be back if everything will be as great as we all hope. I just don't believe it right now, based on history. And that's another point. I think it's incredibly important to be aware of the past, or else we will just make the same mistakes again and again by naively thinking that everything will be great in the future.
    Good point about history....

    I'm going to bear with it till spring and see what is going on then. I got a old iPod nano for my music and that will suffice until something better comes along. The way I figure it is if all we have by then is the SSDD,then I've given the new management enough of my time.

    I could jump ship early like now,but that would be wasting money and I don't like to do that 😊 and it's up to Microsoft to get their heads out of the cloud ☁ and get grounded in reality for their mobile phone division right now.
    07-11-2014 09:39 AM
  21. SAM 77's Avatar
    I also use ESPN F1 and its very good.

    They are way too slow to implement any action to reduce app gap and it will cost em.

    How many people are gonna use cloud services when mobile data is so expensive?
    Cloud is for people with unlimited data and thats a bees **** percentage.
    Yay the cloud
    No!!!
    Yay you can't afford decent storage which is light years faster.
    07-11-2014 09:41 AM
  22. Al4video's Avatar
    I think the OP's suggestion that WP is dead in the water is beyond ridiculous. A month ago I had a Samsung Galaxy S5 and a iPhone 5. I decided to purchase a Nokia 521 just for the hell of it. I was so impressed with this $69 phone in daily use as compared to my other 2 phones I brought it back and purchased a Lumia 1520 RM 938. I have always owned high end phones, "flagship" as the op calls it. I realize that Android comes with a lot of gimmicks and you can customize until your hearts content. The problem was I wasted numerous hours of my life each day doing just that and I was never content. And the reason it always comes back to how the OS of a phone flows in daily use. The iPhone 5 is as nice a phone as the Samsung with it's puny screened and closed system. After having every iPhone ever made I became bored as hell with purchasing the same phone over and over.

    Sure it's an uphill battle for WP, but not because they aren't good or even better as I see it. But because they came to the game late and now they have to play catch up. And my have they done a lot of catching up in such a short time. As far as everyday utility they have already surpassed the competition. They obviously have to add games and gimmicky features that appeal to a broader audience.

    The OP suggest that WP only has 3 "Flagship" phones.

    Well let's see Samsung only has 2.

    Apple only has 1.

    Sounds like you should spare us all and move to Android.

    I chose a windows phone for personal reasons, not because I don't know what the competition offers. I have owned everything the competition sells, and I don't want it.

    If you think WP is dead in the water just move on, it's that easy.
    07-11-2014 09:42 AM
  23. Chregu's Avatar
    I think the OP's suggestion that WP is dead in the water is beyond ridiculous. A month ago I had a Samsung Galaxy S5 and a iPhone 5. I decided to purchase a Nokia 521 just for the hell of it. I was so impressed with this $69 phone in daily use as compared to my other 2 phones I brought it back and purchased a Lumia 1520 RM 938. I have always owned high end phones, "flagship" as the op calls it. I realize that Android comes with a lot of gimmicks and you can customize until your hearts content. The problem was I wasted numerous hours of my life each day doing just that and I was never content. And the reason it always comes back to how the OS of a phone flows in daily use. The iPhone 5 is as nice a phone as the Samsung with it's puny screened and closed system. After having every iPhone ever made I became bored as hell with purchasing the same phone over and over.

    Sure it's an uphill battle for WP, but not because they aren't good or even better as I see it. But because they came to the game late and now they have to play catch up. And my have they done a lot of catching up in such a short time. As far as everyday utility they have already surpassed the competition. They obviously have to add games and gimmicky features that appeal to a broader audience.

    The OP suggest that WP only has 3 "Flagship" phones.

    Well let's see Samsung only has 2.

    Apple only has 1.

    Sounds like you should spare us all and move to Android.

    I chose a windows phone for personal reasons, not because I don't know what the competition offers. I have owned everything the competition sells, and I don't want it.

    If you think WP is dead in the water just move on, it's that easy.
    There's not only Samsung. There's also HTC, Sony, LG, and son on, all trying to beat each other.

    I'm glad you are happy with Windows Phone. But the same is true for my side: I bought a Windows Phone 7 device when it was first released, I had three of them and then switched to Windows Phone 8, using a Lumia 620 and my 8X. I'm just as bored with the UI as you are with iOS, it's just natural, always having the same thing gets boring.

    And different to Windows Phone, iOS is at least consistent.
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    07-11-2014 10:03 AM
  24. tgp's Avatar
    But just as much as I was excited about WP, I was rejecting Android. With Gobble trying to vacuum up every aspect of your digital life, I really feel less and less like the customer and more and more like the product.

    I don't claim to understand every aspect of this, but MS just seems much more respectful of your privacy. I was really pleased when it was announced that Cortana would use a local (i.e. on your phone) notebook for your data, that the you as the user would be able to edit it directly, and that this data would never be used to target advertising at you. This was just one example, but it seems to exemplify MS's approach to data privacy.
    Although it's changing some, users as a general rule don't care about Google's data mining. The only place where I see it's a big deal is right here on WPCentral. If users cared, Android would not have 80% market share, Google would not be (by far) the most popular search engine, and Chrome would not be the most popular browser (by some metrics).

    I'd really love MS to hit this issue aggressively in their marketing. I suspect this approach hurts their monetizing and they probably don't want to paint themselves into a corner down the road. And data privacy probably isn't flashy enough for most people to switch platforms (or to scare people away from Google). But it is a major difference that should at least be highlighted.
    Microsoft tried it in marketing already. Remember the Gmail man & Scroogled? And you are absolutely correct about the possibility of painting themselves into a corner. Microsoft is already monetizing user data some, and it will probably grow until they do as much as they can like Google. I don't believe that privacy is as much of a major difference as we are led to believe, and it will become less and less of a difference as Microsoft looks for more revenue outside of hardware and software.
    07-11-2014 10:07 AM
  25. EssVeeEll's Avatar
    I've had a Windows phone for about two years now, and I believe I can offer some insight.

    To many people, WP may seem dead in the water, yes; however, there are three smartwatches coming out soon that are fully compatible: the Agent, the Meteor (which seems really awesome), and the as-yet unnamed Windows smartwatch. Also, as for rugged, I accidentally took my Lumia 900 into a pool with me and it fixed software bugs. And I've dropped both it and my new 1020 several times and they're fine. And the point behind the Lumias and why there is no true "flagship" phone, as you put it, is so that users have options. None of the three main Lumias on the market today are necessarily better than the rest; however, each one has something unique about it that makes it better for one particular type of user. And why would something that is "dead in the water" be the #3 smartphone OS in the world, having recently surpassed BlackBerry? Finally, posting negative things about an OS on its forum is just stupid. Why would you do that.
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    07-11-2014 10:21 AM
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