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  1. Jas00555's Avatar
    Yup, because devs have been flocking to WP so far haven't they.

    My point is that even though they're is more WP users in America it doesn't matter because there isn't enough WP users to begin with.
    So what do you suggest they do then? You're not making any sense. Should they focus on other countries where they have less users?
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    07-16-2014 05:47 PM
  2. RavenSword's Avatar
    So what do you suggest they do then? You're not making any sense. Should they focus on other countries where they have less users?
    I honestly don't know what they can do other than to keep supporting the platform and trying to get more hardware dec support. But I have no earthly clue how they do that. It's at the point where I can't see it really taking off unless some miraculous things line up.

    Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am. Believe or not I'm a fan of windows phone. I like the OS a lot. I just can't see it being a success considering what is happening now. I mean, MS has been doing pretty much all it can and it's not enough.
    07-16-2014 05:52 PM
  3. Great deal's Avatar
    I honestly don't know what they can do other than to keep supporting the platform and trying to get more hardware dec support. But I have no earthly clue how they do that. It's at the point where I can't see it really taking off unless some miraculous things line up.

    Maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am. Believe or not I'm a fan of windows phone. I like the OS a lot. I just can't see it being a success considering what is happening now. I mean, MS has been doing pretty much all it can and it's not enough.
    Think we have to agree to disagree, WP is starting to emerge, with MS investing BILLIONS in acquisitions, restructuring, streamlining, new leadership, new strategy with a great leader who has changed the one thing that was holding MS back, the lack of sharing of code and information across teams. All this is happening right now. Yes if you look at the facts right this minute then MS is nowhere. Look at what they are doing right now and you will see that they will be there this year. These are not false hopes or promises, these are cold hard facts with dollar signs to back them up. MS is a coming!
    07-16-2014 06:05 PM
  4. RavenSword's Avatar
    Think we have to agree to disagree, WP is starting to emerge, with MS investing BILLIONS in acquisitions, restructuring, streamlining, new leadership, new strategy with a great leader who has changed the one thing that was holding MS back, the lack of sharing of code and information across teams. All this is happening right now. Yes if you look at the facts right this minute then MS is nowhere. Look at what they are doing right now and you will see that they will be there this year. These are not false hopes or promises, these are cold hard facts with dollar signs to back them up. MS is a coming!
    Will have to wait and see I guess
    07-16-2014 06:16 PM
  5. Phone Guy 4567's Avatar
    You must've missed the article a few days ago about how the US has the largest number of WP users. Shame. I wish people researched before posting such nonsense.

    You mean the one that has a blurb in it saying :

    "AdDuplex stated:

    These apps served ads to around 200,000 users on that day. The apps were deliberately selected to be as "global" as possible, but the dataset could still be affected by different ad strategies of the app publishers on a country-by-country basis and other factors."

    Interesting for sure but it doesn't sound to me like the numbers are all that accurate. I wonder what the other factors could be?
    07-16-2014 06:31 PM
  6. Lalith Prabhudev's Avatar
    If Windows release Windows phone 9.0 update like the 1 shown In YouTube then probably more people will come to buy Windows phone products due to its multi window and better multitasking features and more. If they follow that concept
    07-16-2014 09:19 PM
  7. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    WPCentral forum>>>>>>> the other forums.
    07-17-2014 06:16 AM
  8. gwinegarden's Avatar
    GWINEGARDEN clearly thinks that those who criticize Microsoft are whiners. That is certainly not an opinion that invites criticism. So let's keep it real.
    gwinegarden is definitely not saying that. In this forum we get too much doom and gloom, not valid criticism. And, if you think these types of hyperbole are 'valid' then you, certainly, do not know how to 'get real'.
    Last edited by gwinegarden; 07-17-2014 at 09:48 AM.
    BobLobIaw, muneshyne21 and a5cent like this.
    07-17-2014 09:33 AM
  9. gwinegarden's Avatar
    MS hit their highest price, yesterday.
    Great deal likes this.
    07-17-2014 09:37 AM
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    07-17-2014 11:18 AM
  11. muneshyne21's Avatar
    Nadella just let 18,000 people go to streamline the company and development. Happy? 18,000 people lost their jobs because we want WP8.1 GDR1 three months faster than its current pace. Feel good about yourself? Huh? HUH?!
    Ok I kid. This was going to happen regardless after acquiring Nokia and its 25,000 employees. Exciting times but it sucks for those laid off. Collateral damage I guess.

    Let's have a moment of silence for those who lost their jobs in order to bring us shiny new flagship phones and additional OS features at the pace we demand...
    Last edited by muneshyne21; 07-17-2014 at 05:33 PM.
    07-17-2014 02:49 PM
  12. Great deal's Avatar
    Nadella just let 10,000 people go to streamline the company and development. Happy? 10,000 people lost their jobs because we want WP8.1 GDR1 three months faster than its current pace. Feel good about yourself? Huh? HUH?!
    Ok I kid. This was going to happen regardless after acquiring Nokia and its 25,000 employees. Exciting times but it sucks for those laid off. Collateral damage I guess.

    Let's have a moment of silence for those who lost their jobs in order to bring us shiny new flagship phones and additional OS features at the pace we demand...
    1 min silence.......ok so as I own an IT recruitment company and MS happen to be just one of our clients we will be helping as many people as we can. The skill sets are very much in demand and most 'employees' get stuck in jobs and this is 95% of the time a refreshing opportunity to earn more money and learn new skills. However, no matter how it happens, losing your job creates emotional turmoil, the 'what if' questions pop into the mind (whatever questions we ask ourselves our brain always finds an answer no matter how ridiculous the question) yet when they start in a new role they always look back and wish that they done it sooner!

    In my experience every cloud (excuse the pun) has a silver lining.
    muneshyne21 and broar94 like this.
    07-17-2014 05:36 PM
  13. smoledman's Avatar
    Nadella just let 18,000 people go to streamline the company and development. Happy? 18,000 people lost their jobs because we want WP8.1 GDR1 three months faster than its current pace. Feel good about yourself? Huh? HUH?!
    Ok I kid. This was going to happen regardless after acquiring Nokia and its 25,000 employees. Exciting times but it sucks for those laid off. Collateral damage I guess.

    Let's have a moment of silence for those who lost their jobs in order to bring us shiny new flagship phones and additional OS features at the pace we demand...
    That's the thing I'm not sure anymore that WP isn't on the chopping block. Nadella probably has looked at it - 3% market share after 4 hard years of a slog is not worth continuing. He will refocus the company on Azure, Office, Visual Studio, Sharepoint and Windows Desktop.
    dgr_874 likes this.
    07-18-2014 10:04 AM
  14. rodan01's Avatar
    That's the thing I'm not sure anymore that WP isn't on the chopping block. Nadella probably has looked at it - 3% market share after 4 hard years of a slog is not worth continuing. He will refocus the company on Azure, Office, Visual Studio, Sharepoint and Windows Desktop.
    Most of that people is from factories and developer teams related to the Nokia X, Asha and dumb phones. There is also a lot of redundancy with Microsoft teams, when I company is acquired layoffs are expected.
    Microsoft doubled down on WP, but they have to concentrate in the segments where they can compete: Low-end consumer market and the enterprise market. A Flagship is also important because It's an aspirational product that help to sell the low-end products.
    07-18-2014 10:11 AM
  15. uselessrobot's Avatar
    I'm convinced that Microsoft's biggest problem with Windows Phone has been poor grip on the market. It's bad enough they're still fighting a negative perception, but they've left the promotion of WP entirely in the ends of carriers and retailers. Management at Microsoft talks about the importance of partners, but these "valued" partners at best barely devote shelf space to WP devices and at worst actively steer consumers from the platform. This is why market share has languished.

    Unfortunately, it seems like the company remains oblivious to this fact. Do executives and managers ever walk into stores to see what's actually going on? Of all the divisions that need cutting, the marketing department should be the first to go.

    Of course, the problems run deeper than that. Microsoft seems incapable of properly capitalizing on good ideas; a problem which has afflicted them for over a decade. Sooner or later, Apple comes along with the same exact idea but properly fleshed out and takes all the credit.

    Windows Phone is still my favorite platform and I'm reluctant to leave for something else. Later in the year, when I hit 2 years with WP I'm going to be thinking pretty hard about whether or not I'm sticking around. Microsoft had better have a compelling phone on the market and be showing a more promising direction for the future.
    07-18-2014 10:50 AM
  16. smoledman's Avatar
    I'm convinced that Microsoft's biggest problem with Windows Phone has been poor grip on the market. It's bad enough they're still fighting a negative perception, but they've left the promotion of WP entirely in the ends of carriers and retailers. Management at Microsoft talks about the importance of partners, but these "valued" partners at best barely devote shelf space to WP devices and at worst actively steer consumers from the platform. This is why market share has languished.

    Unfortunately, it seems like the company remains oblivious to this fact. Do executives and managers ever walk into stores to see what's actually going on? Of all the divisions that need cutting, the marketing department should be the first to go.

    Of course, the problems run deeper than that. Microsoft seems incapable of properly capitalizing on good ideas; a problem which has afflicted them for over a decade. Sooner or later, Apple comes along with the same exact idea but properly fleshed out and takes all the credit.

    Windows Phone is still my favorite platform and I'm reluctant to leave for something else. Later in the year, when I hit 2 years with WP I'm going to be thinking pretty hard about whether or not I'm sticking around. Microsoft had better have a compelling phone on the market and be showing a more promising direction for the future.
    So ecosystem means nothing to you? You realize that iOS/Android will always be galaxies ahead on apps.

    At this point I'm proceeding on the assumption that Nadella is going to cancel Windows Phone. I feel no more obligation to support a 'burning platform'.
    07-18-2014 10:58 AM
  17. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    That's the thing I'm not sure anymore that WP isn't on the chopping block. Nadella probably has looked at it - 3% market share after 4 hard years of a slog is not worth continuing. He will refocus the company on Azure, Office, Visual Studio, Sharepoint and Windows Desktop.
    The only problem with your analysis is that is runs completely counter to everything that has been stated in memorandums from Nadella and others at MS in the last few days. Nothing wrong with speculation, but yours isn't grounded in reality at the moment. Sounds a lot more like FUD.
    theefman likes this.
    07-18-2014 11:00 AM
  18. smoledman's Avatar
    The only problem with your analysis is that is runs completely counter to everything that has been stated in memorandums from Nadella and others at MS in the last few days. Nothing wrong with speculation, but yours isn't grounded in reality at the moment. Sounds a lot more like FUD.
    ​Nadella is creating the FUD with his actions.
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    07-18-2014 11:03 AM
  19. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    ​Nadella is creating the FUD with his actions.
    What actions by Nadella are consistent with the FUD your are creating?
    theefman likes this.
    07-18-2014 11:09 AM
  20. anon77519's Avatar
    Windows Phone is advancing. It takes time to update with new stuff. Look how long Android took to advance.
    07-18-2014 02:37 PM
  21. tacisonwindowsphone's Avatar
    So sorry to enter this discussion with absolutely no smart phone experience. However, I am in the market for a smart phone. I have never used one before. I have used both windows and apple pcs over the years. I have started to examine all 3 vendors and would like to have someone explain to me why I would choose a windows phone over the other 2 choices.

    Windows phones look like they could be ok. But I also owned a zune player before microsoft dumped support for that. Now I see a 3% market share by 2018 for windows phone. They dump plans for mclaren. They are in the early stages of what seems to be gutting nokia. There is not a clear view of how or why the windows phone would be part of a long term strategy with a 3% market share? I have 3 financial institutions I use and none of them have any windows phone apps. One told me they have no plans to support windows phone apps. I asked my verizon dealer when I could get an icon with the cyan/8.1 software loaded and they had no idea.

    Someone give me a reason to go ahead and buy a windows phone for the basic daily tools I need that would trump either of the other 2 choices. I really would like to stick with windows but I just don't see it as a better long term choice.

    thanks
    07-18-2014 04:02 PM
  22. colinkiama's Avatar
    Okay, I know this sounds harsh, and I realise I'm gonna get a lot of negativity, but I ask you to hear me out and let me know what you disagree with objectively.

    1. Limiting choice of phones

    As of mid-2014, WP has three high-end, almost-flagship devices: The 930, 1520 and 1020.
    I say almost-flagship because each of these phones is missing something - either glance or wireless charging or SD card support (in the case of the 1520 it's simply missing the point - we want phones, not phablets!)

    There simply is no flagship phone:
    I mean come on, if people can look forward to and make purchase plans for an unknown, unnamed concept device like the McLaren that we know next to nothing about, then you *know* WP is missing something big.

    2. No one cares about WP

    Until 2013, the one OEM who truly cared about WP - enough to bribe developers and launch campaigns to get apps on-board - was Nokia. Now that the Finns are no longer in the game, it's up to Microsoft to steer this ship. And knowing the dinosaur that MS is (seriously, they couldn't get Skype integrated for 2 years!), melting polar glaciers would probably move faster than MS does.
    It’s been months and WP8.1 isn’t out yet, Cortana only speaks American, and “something big” is apparently coming to WP that no one seems to know about.

    Also, the rumours that MS might make an Android-powered Lumia isn’t helping either.

    3. Monotonous designs

    Don't get me wrong - I think unibody polycarbonate is awesome.
    But I also like unibody metal (like on the HTC One), front-and-back glass (XPERIAs and previous gen iPhones), and even the rubberised, plasticky or fake leather casing like on the Samsung and LG phones.
    The point is, different people like different designs - and with the limited number of WP devices (see #1 above), almost all of which follow the same design language, it's not going win fans everywhere.

    4. No brag-able or show-off worthy features.

    ...like self-healing back panels. Heart rate monitors. Fingerprint scanners. Or even curved displays.

    Yes, some of these are just gimmicky, but the sad reality is that we like gimmicks. In a world where 160 character conversations and 2 minute attention spans are fast becoming the norm, people like new, fancy things to show off, and then move on to the next big thing.
    A lone Samsung phone (Ativ SE) has an IR blaster. And a few Lumias have PureView – which is awesome and is not a gimmick, but cameras aren’t everything, and almost seem like a one trick pony at this stage.

    5. No rugged or waterproof phones

    A long running gag is that Nokia phones can break through walls; but jokes aside, I don’t know any WP device that’s really weather-proof or built to take on the environment.
    Sure, we have aftermarket cases that achieve this, but not everyone wants to cover their nice-looking phone in a military-grade case just to make it dust/waterproof.

    Is IP67 too much to ask for? It’s 2014 for crying out loud!

    6. Doesn't work with wearables

    Wearable tech may not be mainstream yet, but given that it’s gaining more and more traction, we need phones that work with the gear available today - like the Pebble, Fitbit, Nike Fuelband and host of other smart watches and fitness trackers that simply offer nothing unless you have an iOS or Android device.

    Yes, we know MS is supposedly working on a smart watch as well, but again we know how long that’s going to take. People want their phones to work with what's available today, not something coming out in 2 years (if it actually does!)

    7. Misses official google apps; and games/apps in general.

    Yes, I know, but sorry I have to say this.
    I know this topic has been discussed to death and beyond, but the plain fact of the matter is:
    1. A lot of people use Google
    2. WP offers no official apps for most google services.

    I know the WP community throws all manners of counter arguments, such as MS services are better, or that we have better-than-the-official-app alternatives for YouTube and so on, but it doesn’t change the fact that WP does not have official google apps, and this matters to a lot of people.

    To sum up, WP is a platform with a unique UI and great potential but the fact of the matter is, there isn’t any true flagship (in the same league as Android) to really help it shine today.

    And in the long run, I don’t see how WP can progress when it’s more an after-thought or “plan B” for OEMs, seems all but forsaken by its manufacturer, and ignored by the developer community.

    Cheers!
    try android like I did, it'll be more refreshing
    but I guarantee that you'll come back
    07-18-2014 04:19 PM
  23. jsooney's Avatar
    It's way too early to say whether WP is dead in the water or not. If you're using WP you should probably consider yourself an early adopter, and be aware that it is a work in progress. I knew when I chose to get a Windows phone that it would be a mess, and it is. However, I still enjoy the phone and just deal with its various quirks and problems. I had a Samsung Galaxy S4 briefly which was a piece of total garbage, and I much prefer my 1520.

    Whether WP survives will depend on how much stamina and will Microsoft has. They're going to have to keep sinking bucketloads of money into development to gain more traction in the market. Given the fall off of the PC market, I don't know if they have much choice but to stick with it. If WP lasts another 5 years I think it will be here to stay.
    07-18-2014 06:53 PM
  24. janil17's Avatar
    I've been thinking about this lately. My HTC 8x works, but first the case by the volume button peeled off and now the volume controls have peeled off. So it works but is not in good shape. So I've been looking at new phones-- I'm on T-Mobile (U.S.A) and see three phone choices-- the 925, 635, and 521. None of them are appealing.

    The 925 looks like a nice phone but it uses the same processor as my HTC 8x, so it's not exactly an improvement over what I have. I would also like to have 32GB storage instead of 16GB. The other options are even more limited.

    The Nokia 930 would be a great choice, but it's doesn't completely support the T-Mobile network bands.

    I really like Windows Phone but feel like none of the available devices are worth it at this time. I'm going to try to get my 8x fixed, and hope it works for another year or so. If this is too expensive, I'm probably going to get an Android device until a suitable Windows phone shows up-- something with 32GB or more of total storage) and a faster processor than my 8x. I think Microsoft will release a suitable phone, if the surface models reflect their approach to devices. Unfortunately, something "good enough" may not show up until next year.
    07-18-2014 10:35 PM
  25. smoledman's Avatar
    What actions by Nadella are consistent with the FUD your are creating?
    I'm not the one cancelling whole divisions and products left and right. Satya Nadella is.
    07-18-2014 11:11 PM
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