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  1. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Layoffs are a part of big business. Satya mentioned that MSFT would make WP a priority. McLaren may be scrapped but that doesn't mean the technology is or that we wont see it again wrapped in another name. There's been a lot of activity and everyone should wait and see what happens.
    07-18-2014 11:28 PM
  2. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'm not the one cancelling whole divisions and products left and right. Satya Nadella is.
    dude, the cuts he made were ones that needed to be done . I'd rather he get it over with than drag it out.
    07-19-2014 12:07 AM
  3. JamesPTao's Avatar
    It's way too early to say whether WP is dead in the water or not. If you're using WP you should probably consider yourself an early adopter, and be aware that it is a work in progress. I knew when I chose to get a Windows phone that it would be a mess, and it is. However, I still enjoy the phone and just deal with its various quirks and problems. I had a Samsung Galaxy S4 briefly which was a piece of total garbage, and I much prefer my 1520.

    Whether WP survives will depend on how much stamina and will Microsoft has. They're going to have to keep sinking bucketloads of money into development to gain more traction in the market. Given the fall off of the PC market, I don't know if they have much choice but to stick with it. If WP lasts another 5 years I think it will be here to stay.
    Define suitable. After a month of use any new WP will outperform an android as far as how fast it handles the os.
    07-19-2014 12:10 AM
  4. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    I'm not the one cancelling whole divisions and products left and right. Satya Nadella is.
    And still none of the actions you refer to is consistent with canceling WP. All you are saying is that there are cuts in personnel and products announced, so therefore you are concluding that Nadella intends to cancel WP completely even though statements by Microsoft in that regard indicate the exact opposite. That is fear, uncertainty and doubt to a T. You could use the same rationale to conclude that Nadella will cancel Office 365, because OMG Nadella is cancelling whole divisions and products left and right! Oh noes, Surface Pros are next on Nadella's axe list!
    07-19-2014 02:30 AM
  5. Phone Guy 4567's Avatar
    So sorry to enter this discussion with absolutely no smart phone experience. However, I am in the market for a smart phone. I have never used one before. I have used both windows and apple pcs over the years. I have started to examine all 3 vendors and would like to have someone explain to me why I would choose a windows phone over the other 2 choices.

    Windows phones look like they could be ok. But I also owned a zune player before microsoft dumped support for that. Now I see a 3% market share by 2018 for windows phone. They dump plans for mclaren. They are in the early stages of what seems to be gutting nokia. There is not a clear view of how or why the windows phone would be part of a long term strategy with a 3% market share? I have 3 financial institutions I use and none of them have any windows phone apps. One told me they have no plans to support windows phone apps. I asked my verizon dealer when I could get an icon with the cyan/8.1 software loaded and they had no idea.

    Someone give me a reason to go ahead and buy a windows phone for the basic daily tools I need that would trump either of the other 2 choices. I really would like to stick with windows but I just don't see it as a better long term choice.

    thanks
    I would go with Android or iOS and pass on Windows Phone, at least for now. Having used Windows Phone from the beginning, and Windows Mobile before that, IMO there is very little upside to getting WP right now. In the beginning WP was all about the hubs and now that's not the case, the focus has switched to individual apps. That being the case I would go where the vast majority of people and apps are, since IMO what made WP a unique user experience is gone. If and when MS comes out with something that catches on with people you can always switch then. Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a Zune. :)
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    07-19-2014 08:49 AM
  6. smoledman's Avatar
    And still none of the actions you refer to is consistent with canceling WP. All you are saying is that there are cuts in personnel and products announced, so therefore you are concluding that Nadella intends to cancel WP completely even though statements by Microsoft in that regard indicate the exact opposite. That is fear, uncertainty and doubt to a T. You could use the same rationale to conclude that Nadella will cancel Office 365, because OMG Nadella is cancelling whole divisions and products left and right! Oh noes, Surface Pros are next on Nadella's axe list!
    Actually Surface is on the hit list because of the sunk costs and ongoing lack of profitability. All hardware is on the hit list. I also see Windows Phone on the hit list due to lack of market interest.
    07-19-2014 01:17 PM
  7. smoledman's Avatar
    I would go with Android or iOS and pass on Windows Phone, at least for now. Having used Windows Phone from the beginning, and Windows Mobile before that, IMO there is very little upside to getting WP right now. In the beginning WP was all about the hubs and now that's not the case, the focus has switched to individual apps. That being the case I would go where the vast majority of people and apps are, since IMO what made WP a unique user experience is gone. If and when MS comes out with something that catches on with people you can always switch then. Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a Zune. :)
    The problem is that the hubs never provided that much functionality in the first place. Also the square tiles and general same-y look to it all is confusing to users. There is a reason iconography exists - to help people identify things. Microsoft violated that basic UI principle and are now paying a dear price.
    07-19-2014 01:18 PM
  8. Phone Guy 4567's Avatar
    The concept of hubs is great but will only work the way it was originally implemented if you do frequent updates, which because of the deep OS integration and carriers was bound to fail. Combine that with the hit & miss updating of live tiles and you have big problems, because these two features are what differentiate WP from the rest. The UI isn't what's holding back WP IMO it's just MS brought WP to market too late. iOS and Android already had such a big lead that unless MS released something game changing people won't move from what they already know.
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    07-19-2014 02:50 PM
  9. misfitpierce's Avatar
    I believe the new CEO is going to pick up the ball on advertising and the whole flagship phones thing. Windows phone has been growing quite well actually overall tho. More and more devs and everything have been coming over. MSFT announced doubling down on windows phone support so... Everyone needs to just be patient. It takes a bit of time to see changes from internal restructuring of the company. By years end I believe ppl will be much happier.
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    07-19-2014 03:05 PM
  10. smoledman's Avatar
    The concept of hubs is great but will only work the way it was originally implemented if you do frequent updates, which because of the deep OS integration and carriers was bound to fail. Combine that with the hit & miss updating of live tiles and you have big problems, because these two features are what differentiate WP from the rest. The UI isn't what's holding back WP IMO it's just MS brought WP to market too late. iOS and Android already had such a big lead that unless MS released something game changing people won't move from what they already know.
    The first thing Steve Jobs always started a design meeting with was - "Is the thing we're working on needed in the market? Is the market not addressing a need that we can fill"? Microsoft never approached Windows Phone with this mindset, just "let's copy Apple".
    07-19-2014 03:07 PM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    well i think it's down to advertising. If windows phone is not advertised well, people can take advantage and say things like it has no apps, it lags like windows etc. and people will believe that and won't try it if they have the chance because they don't even know how its really like. That's why when I go to my friends they're are always like it has no apps or ask me why i didn't get an android, i just guide them through and they are impressed by it. It's not that it failing, it's more to do with people not even knowing it how it's like.
    muneshyne21 likes this.
    07-19-2014 03:17 PM
  12. colinkiama's Avatar
    wow I've been doing lots of lengthy paragraphs today!
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    07-19-2014 03:17 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    Have faith in WP
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    07-19-2014 03:18 PM
  14. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Actually Surface is on the hit list because of the sunk costs and ongoing lack of profitability. All hardware is on the hit list. I also see Windows Phone on the hit list due to lack of market interest.
    Source?
    07-19-2014 04:04 PM
  15. smoledman's Avatar
    Source?
    Myself. Logic.
    07-19-2014 04:06 PM
  16. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Myself. Logic.
    Former is confirmed. Latter is absent.
    07-19-2014 04:09 PM
  17. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Didn't Microsoft announce a whole lot of OEMs back at MWC?
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    07-19-2014 04:22 PM
  18. Michael Alan Goff's Avatar
    Actually Surface is on the hit list because of the sunk costs and ongoing lack of profitability. All hardware is on the hit list. I also see Windows Phone on the hit list due to lack of market interest.
    Satya Nadella mentioned the importance of first party hardware in his memo.
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    07-19-2014 04:24 PM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    07-19-2014 04:29 PM
  20. colinkiama's Avatar
    from 2012-2014 wp's marketshare rose from 1% to 4%. It is rising, just slowly.
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    07-19-2014 06:12 PM
  21. misfitpierce's Avatar
    The first thing Steve Jobs always started a design meeting with was - "Is the thing we're working on needed in the market? Is the market not addressing a need that we can fill"? Microsoft never approached Windows Phone with this mindset, just "let's copy Apple".
    Can you say narrow minded... You probably can't but don't worry about it. So when apple took the flat approach from windows they didn't borrow a concept? And when apple stole webkits code from the open source community they didn't borrow a concept? Exactly... The technology world is built off building from others ideas. If there were no creations, there would be no innovations. Like the concept, it takes money to make money. Apple and Microsoft have always exchanged ideas as well and apple wouldn't even be around if Microsoft didn't bail them out. So try to keep an open mind in the technology field.
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    07-19-2014 10:07 PM
  22. muneshyne21's Avatar
    "Good artist borrow. Great artists steal." - Pablo Picasso...maybe
    07-19-2014 11:39 PM
  23. smoledman's Avatar
    Can you say narrow minded... You probably can't but don't worry about it. So when apple took the flat approach from windows they didn't borrow a concept? And when apple stole webkits code from the open source community they didn't borrow a concept? Exactly... The technology world is built off building from others ideas. If there were no creations, there would be no innovations. Like the concept, it takes money to make money. Apple and Microsoft have always exchanged ideas as well and apple wouldn't even be around if Microsoft didn't bail them out. So try to keep an open mind in the technology field.
    #1 - Apple flattened the interface in iOS 7 but didn't go all the way flat like Windows 8. iOS 7 is still beautiful overall, while Windows 8 is vomit-inducing with all the purple/green crap. I swear the start screen as shown initially by Sinofsky in October 2011 is one only The Joker could love. Vomit-inducing crap.

    #2 - WebKit is open-source so you can't steal anything there by definition.
    07-19-2014 11:41 PM
  24. Jas00555's Avatar
    #1 - Apple flattened the interface in iOS 7 but didn't go all the way flat like Windows 8. iOS 7 is still beautiful overall IN MY OPINION, while Windows 8 is vomit-inducing with all the purple/green crap IN MY OPINION. I swear the start screen as shown initially by Sinofsky in October 2011 is one only The Joker could love. Vomit-inducing crap IN MY OPINION.
    There. Fixed it for you. Come on dude, your nonsense is really getting old.
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    07-19-2014 11:47 PM
  25. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Windows 8 and WP are very different in looks
    07-19-2014 11:48 PM
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