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  1. Great deal's Avatar
    This was a long time coming. Wife used to work at MSFT so she understood how convoluted and bureaucratic it was to push things through. They need a culture change. It was way too toxic with the way people would sabotage/backstab others in order to make themselves look better. Employees are supposed to collaborate with each other rather than step on each other to get ahead.
    Absolutely, if people understood how the teams actually worked they would have fired Balmer a loooong time ago. MS teams operated like mini companies all competing....with each other!!! Satya is walking his talk.
    07-17-2014 02:06 PM
  2. Chinocop's Avatar
    Absolutely, if people understood how the teams actually worked they would have fired Balmer a loooong time ago. MS teams operated like mini companies all competing....with each other!!! Satya is walking his talk.
    If MSFT operated the way Ebay does (lean, cutthroat and maximize every ounce of productivity out of the employees), they would be on top of the world. They are still a great company in spite of everybody sounding the death knell for them. People don't realize if Microsoft collapses, so do the operations of every major company and government.
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    07-17-2014 02:14 PM
  3. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    With all the news lately about MS - exciting times ahead!

    The behemoth is shedding weight and excess fat, getting lean, focussed and gearing up for the fight!
    Wow. I'm practically speechless. So you have concluded that the 18,000+ laid off were "weight" and "excess fat"? Wow. Both Microsoft and Nokia hire bright people. Even if all 18,000 are not engineers and designers they collectively had a positive contribution to their respective corporations. If you think that there will be no negative impact to losing that many people, you are mistaken.


    The main outstanding device will be launched as stated with Threshold (or whatever it will be called) in 2015, this is enough time for the changes to have been done and work to bear fruit. My contracts are both up in November maybe Mclaren and hold out for the other in 2015.

    Lot of people will say we've been waiting and heard this all before. Well no! look at the actions over the words. Im no fan boy however compared to the offerings from Apple and Android im backing WP all the way.
    Claiming "I'm no fanboy" doesn't make it true.

    From a project momentum perspective, this is not a good time for these resource actions. Doing it in a massive stroke is not wise for long term health. I've been involved with corporate downsizing and when done properly, it is done piece-meal based on what projects are in progress, strategic direction, and the lead time needed to change.

    An announcement such as the one made by Microsoft is generally to cater to shareholders, not tech analysts.
    Last edited by WillysJeepMan; 07-17-2014 at 03:53 PM.
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    07-17-2014 03:24 PM
  4. RavenSword's Avatar
    Man that layoff memo Microsoft put out is cold garbage.
    07-17-2014 03:27 PM
  5. dumgeek's Avatar
    Like alot of layoff it's often an accountant view that only look at numbers regardless of competence and what's best for the Compagnie. So let's hope that MS isn't laying off the ones who possess the "brains" and the know how. Has the human impact, country wise and in the long run i'm not convinced it's a good move.
    07-17-2014 04:57 PM
  6. Great deal's Avatar
    Those 18,000 people are not suddenly going to wake up on Monday without a job, its happening over 6 months, there will be severance and opportunity to find other roles within MS as well as with their partner consultancies. My advice to employees with the right skill set has always been to become a contractor, earn nearly double the money and work less hours. As an employer I would do the same thing as would any employer. As for doing this bit by bit, that may well happen in reality but Satya has planted his flag and declared a major shift/reorg and hats off to him as the company needs that as well as the employees that are left. Im not worried in the slightest about the 18,000 that have been laid off, as you state MS and Nokia employee top talent and top talent is very much in demand. They will make more money and be happier.
    07-17-2014 05:47 PM
  7. ohgood's Avatar
    Those 18,000 people are not suddenly going to wake up on Monday without a job, its happening over 6 months, there will be severance and opportunity to find other roles within MS as well as with their partner consultancies. My advice to employees with the right skill set has always been to become a contractor, earn nearly double the money and work less hours. As an employer I would do the same thing as would any employer. As for doing this bit by bit, that may well happen in reality but Satya has planted his flag and declared a major shift/reorg and hats off to him as the company needs that as well as the employees that are left. Im not worried in the slightest about the 18,000 that have been laid off, as you state MS and Nokia employee top talent and top talent is very much in demand. They will make more money and be happier.
    Soooooo, When 17,999 of your colleagues flood the market with their resumes, everything is peachy in your job search foot the next position, because you got severance?

    And you're going to buy products from the companys (microkia) that just sent you packing ?

    Mmmm probably not, on both.
    07-17-2014 06:37 PM
  8. Great deal's Avatar
    Soooooo, When 17,999 of your colleagues flood the market with their resumes, everything is peachy in your job search foot the next position, because you got severance?

    And you're going to buy products from the companys (microkia) that just sent you packing ?

    Mmmm probably not, on both.
    Look, in the real world that's just not true. Many will find other roles within MS and their partners. Around 50% will have found a job without advertising their CV. Most of the MS employees will be middle management and they will have at least 5 offers on the table by the end of the 6 months they are due to leave, they will also get severance and most likely earn more money in their new role, if they don't then they are selling themselves short. The remaing will have no issues in finding work out there, the demand for IT staff is extremely high, the highest it has been for many years and in certain technologies the highest it has EVER been. there is simply no recession in the world of IT, demand is far outstripping supply so im not worried about them finding a job. My company is actually going to assist.

    MS is not hanging them out to dry. Let me tell you what its like in banking.... employee gets tap on the shoulder, follows manager, gets fired, immediately escorted off premises and on 'gardening leave' that's the cold hard reality. MS are spending a billion to assist their people as the world is watching how they do it and its their own reputation as an employer on the line. They are doing a LOT more than is required.
    07-18-2014 04:57 AM
  9. ohgood's Avatar
    Look, in the real world that's just not true. Many will find other roles within MS and their partners. Around 50% will have found a job without advertising their CV. Most of the MS employees will be middle management and they will have at least 5 offers on the table by the end of the 6 months they are due to leave, they will also get severance and most likely earn more money in their new role, if they don't then they are selling themselves short. The remaing will have no issues in finding work out there, the demand for IT staff is extremely high, the highest it has been for many years and in certain technologies the highest it has EVER been. there is simply no recession in the world of IT, demand is far outstripping supply so im not worried about them finding a job. My company is actually going to assist.

    MS is not hanging them out to dry. Let me tell you what its like in banking.... employee gets tap on the shoulder, follows manager, gets fired, immediately escorted off premises and on 'gardening leave' that's the cold hard reality. MS are spending a billion to assist their people as the world is watching how they do it and its their own reputation as an employer on the line. They are doing a LOT more than is required.
    That sounds awesome. Too bad there aren't any ways to quantify the expectations, mine, or yours
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    07-18-2014 05:45 AM
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