Why WP is alive, kicking and soon to be sprinting

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Time will tell, lest see where they all are in 12 months, MS strategy of combining personal and business devices seems to be a sound argument and MS can leverage their business customers. Will be interesting to see where Apple and IBM go with their partnership.

I can make a fairly educated guess on where Microsoft will be in 12 months. Based on history, here's my predication of what we'll be saying in July 2015:

Time will tell, lest see where they all are in 12 months, MS strategy of combining personal and business devices seems to be a sound argument and MS can leverage their business customers.
 

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Apple and Google understand consumers. Unfortunately, consumers are really stupid as ****. Microsoft has been dealing with Enterprise for its entire existence. You know what Enterprise does? They vet, evaluate, do multiple RFP's when deciding on software/hardware solutions. Then when they need to upgrade they test, back test and then regression test before they deploy. How do you go about dealing with that type of customer to some dumbass who comes into a store asking for a phone that plays the latest Kim Kardashian game, or some insipid teenage chick that wants the gold iphone so it matches her purse?

Now, you have people dying to have their appliances connected to the internet. That is absolutely ingenious. Why do you need your phone to connect to your refrigerator, garage door, thermostat or stove? You absolutely don't. It's pure stupidity. Next, they'll devise a robotic *** wiper which you can control with your iphone or galaxy. Anyway, doesn't the fact that the NSA can already hack into your computer scare the living daylights out of you? Now anybody who's computer savvy can hack into your home and rob you blind. Idiocracy is alive and well. My point is Apple and Google are good at sheep herding.

Um, ok. Think your a bit misguided here.
 

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Um, ok. Think your a bit misguided here.

Yes, I know that technology is moving to more consumer friendly realms, but I stand by the fact:

1. Microsoft is not a consumer company (it's trying to be everything to everybody which it simply cannot do). Tell me how Dynamics(CRM/ERP), VS, SQL, Exchange, Sharepoint, Lync, Office, Windows/Windows Server have anything to do with your average 45 year old house frau? Yet these are the growth engines for the company.
2. Connecting your whole house to the internet is simply idiotic (Yes, I understand it's going that way whether I like it or not, and Apple/Google are trying to gain a foothold)
3. Google/Apple are better at emotionally connecting to regular everyday people. Honestly, how many MSFT stickers do you see on people's cars?

Sorry to go on this rant, but it's impossible for these MSFT fiefdoms to even comprehend how to deal with grandma. That's why it's going to be extremely difficult for WP to gain traction because the groups that bring home the bacon are the ones who make the rules.
 
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Yes, I know that technology is moving to more consumer friendly realms, but I stand by the fact:

1. Microsoft is not a consumer company (it's trying to be everything to everybody which it simply cannot do). Tell me how Dynamics(CRM/ERP), VS, SQL, Exchange, Sharepoint, Lync, Office, Windows/Windows Server have anything to do with your average 45 year old house frau? Yet these are the growth engines for the company.
2. Connecting your whole house to the internet is simply idiotic (Yes, I understand it's going that way whether I like it or not, and Apple/Google are trying to gain a foothold)
3. Google/Apple are better at emotionally connecting to regular everyday people. Honestly, how many MSFT stickers do you see on people's cars?

Sorry to go on this rant, but it's impossible for these MSFT fiefdoms to even comprehend how to deal with grandma. That's why it's going to be extremely difficult for WP to gain traction because the groups that bring home the bacon are the ones who make the rules.

Yeah, I can see that.
 

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Wow, all I can say is take a step back and look at the big picture of whats happening in the mobile space and what the companies are doing. MS will increase market share, I reckon the aim is 10% over the next 3 years. No one is even contemplating a similar reaction to iPhones from MS products, at least not in the near future. Apple and IBM will eat up the Blackberry market share with their joint venture. Android will keep going but slowly and surely people will move to WP. I know a LOT of techies all on Android, they love it, they can fiddle to their hearts content, they are all keeping an eye on WP, slowly and surely MS are adding features the geeks and techies want and they will come :) The number of Apps is also going up every single day. Its only a matter of time before its on par with the other 2. Its not wishful or bluesky thinking, its true from many angles, techies and geeks also value their privacy and most dislike google from that perspective.
Were actually down from a year ago here in the USA and to add to that yes the iPhones will be here soon . Those apple stores are going to explode mean while at the Ms store or WP section at carriers.."cricket.....cricket.....cricket" maybe this will happen when Ms releases its new phone? Lets take bets who sells more for the holiday ! If Ms wins ....i will never crab about WP ever again!
 

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(BTW - whats a COD lol)

Oops. I meant CEO. It was late night here when I was writing that. =D

... Unfortunately, consumers are really stupid as ****. ... How do you go about dealing with that type of customer to some dumbass who comes into a store asking for a phone that plays the latest Kim Kardashian game, or some insipid teenage chick that wants the gold iphone so it matches her purse?...

I understand your point and I agree. But there is also a problem. That customer asking Kim Kardashian game or chick that wants gold iPhone to fit her purse, they have a NEED. And they want to satisfy that need, they give their money for that. And that is the thing what makes this system so great. Companies need to serve us.

You can?t say that customer is stupid dumpass just cos he wants a phone that plays Kim Karsashian game. You cant say that teenage chick is making wrong decision cos she is buying an golden iPhone matching her purse. If that girl have saved money for months seeing clearly in her mind an golden iPhone matcing her purse, no me, no you, no company or nobody can say that he is making a wrong decison. Its is just right decison for her. She dont give a s*** abaut UI, OS, GBs, RAM or pps. And that is her right and THAT is the way markets should go. There is a country where decisons are made very ready for you and they will tell you what you want and what you need.

My point is Apple and Google are good at sheep herding.

And MS as well. There was almost two decades when MS could ask -What we want to give next for them... mmm.. how abaut little gadget to desktop. And we were like -Yippii, they gave this for us. We just dont have nothing to choose from, we have to get what they gave for us
And they still try to be this, almost four years. And just a few days ago they admit, that they have to come down from their towers and ask -What do YOU want we GIVE to you.

Look it at this way, you have a right to choose smoke alarm that is working with your phone. You dont need to buy it, but you have an opinion. They have to make this possible for you. No company tells you that you need it or you dont need it. Now its your decision.
 

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With all the news lately about MS - exciting times ahead!

The behemoth is shedding weight and excess fat, getting lean, focussed and gearing up for the fight!

The main outstanding device will be launched as stated with Threshold (or whatever it will be called) in 2015, this is enough time for the changes to have been done and work to bear fruit. My contracts are both up in November maybe Mclaren and hold out for the other in 2015.

Lot of people will say we've been waiting and heard this all before. Well no! look at the actions over the words. Im no fan boy however compared to the offerings from Apple and Android im backing WP all the way.
 

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With all the news lately about MS - exciting times ahead!

The behemoth is shedding weight and excess fat, getting lean, focussed and gearing up for the fight!

The main outstanding device will be launched as stated with Threshold (or whatever it will be called) in 2015, this is enough time for the changes to have been done and work to bear fruit. My contracts are both up in November maybe Mclaren and hold out for the other in 2015.

Lot of people will say we've been waiting and heard this all before. Well no! look at the actions over the words. Im no fan boy however compared to the offerings from Apple and Android im backing WP all the way.

This was a long time coming. Wife used to work at MSFT so she saw how convoluted and bureaucratic it was to push things through. They need a culture change. It was way too toxic with the way people would sabotage/backstab others in order to make themselves look better. Employees are supposed to collaborate with each other rather than step on each other to get ahead.
 
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This was a long time coming. Wife used to work at MSFT so she understood how convoluted and bureaucratic it was to push things through. They need a culture change. It was way too toxic with the way people would sabotage/backstab others in order to make themselves look better. Employees are supposed to collaborate with each other rather than step on each other to get ahead.

Absolutely, if people understood how the teams actually worked they would have fired Balmer a loooong time ago. MS teams operated like mini companies all competing....with each other!!! Satya is walking his talk.
 

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Absolutely, if people understood how the teams actually worked they would have fired Balmer a loooong time ago. MS teams operated like mini companies all competing....with each other!!! Satya is walking his talk.

If MSFT operated the way Ebay does (lean, cutthroat and maximize every ounce of productivity out of the employees), they would be on top of the world. They are still a great company in spite of everybody sounding the death knell for them. People don't realize if Microsoft collapses, so do the operations of every major company and government.
 

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With all the news lately about MS - exciting times ahead!

The behemoth is shedding weight and excess fat, getting lean, focussed and gearing up for the fight!
Wow. I'm practically speechless. So you have concluded that the 18,000+ laid off were "weight" and "excess fat"? Wow. Both Microsoft and Nokia hire bright people. Even if all 18,000 are not engineers and designers they collectively had a positive contribution to their respective corporations. If you think that there will be no negative impact to losing that many people, you are mistaken.


The main outstanding device will be launched as stated with Threshold (or whatever it will be called) in 2015, this is enough time for the changes to have been done and work to bear fruit. My contracts are both up in November maybe Mclaren and hold out for the other in 2015.

Lot of people will say we've been waiting and heard this all before. Well no! look at the actions over the words. Im no fan boy however compared to the offerings from Apple and Android im backing WP all the way.
Claiming "I'm no ******" doesn't make it true. :winktongue:

From a project momentum perspective, this is not a good time for these resource actions. Doing it in a massive stroke is not wise for long term health. I've been involved with corporate downsizing and when done properly, it is done piece-meal based on what projects are in progress, strategic direction, and the lead time needed to change.

An announcement such as the one made by Microsoft is generally to cater to shareholders, not tech analysts.
 
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Like alot of layoff it's often an accountant view that only look at numbers regardless of competence and what's best for the Compagnie. So let's hope that MS isn't laying off the ones who possess the "brains" and the know how. Has the human impact, country wise and in the long run i'm not convinced it's a good move.
 

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Those 18,000 people are not suddenly going to wake up on Monday without a job, its happening over 6 months, there will be severance and opportunity to find other roles within MS as well as with their partner consultancies. My advice to employees with the right skill set has always been to become a contractor, earn nearly double the money and work less hours. As an employer I would do the same thing as would any employer. As for doing this bit by bit, that may well happen in reality but Satya has planted his flag and declared a major shift/reorg and hats off to him as the company needs that as well as the employees that are left. Im not worried in the slightest about the 18,000 that have been laid off, as you state MS and Nokia employee top talent and top talent is very much in demand. They will make more money and be happier.
 

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Those 18,000 people are not suddenly going to wake up on Monday without a job, its happening over 6 months, there will be severance and opportunity to find other roles within MS as well as with their partner consultancies. My advice to employees with the right skill set has always been to become a contractor, earn nearly double the money and work less hours. As an employer I would do the same thing as would any employer. As for doing this bit by bit, that may well happen in reality but Satya has planted his flag and declared a major shift/reorg and hats off to him as the company needs that as well as the employees that are left. Im not worried in the slightest about the 18,000 that have been laid off, as you state MS and Nokia employee top talent and top talent is very much in demand. They will make more money and be happier.

Soooooo, When 17,999 of your colleagues flood the market with their resumes, everything is peachy in your job search foot the next position, because you got severance?

And you're going to buy products from the companys (microkia) that just sent you packing ?

Mmmm probably not, on both.
 

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Soooooo, When 17,999 of your colleagues flood the market with their resumes, everything is peachy in your job search foot the next position, because you got severance?

And you're going to buy products from the companys (microkia) that just sent you packing ?

Mmmm probably not, on both.

Look, in the real world that's just not true. Many will find other roles within MS and their partners. Around 50% will have found a job without advertising their CV. Most of the MS employees will be middle management and they will have at least 5 offers on the table by the end of the 6 months they are due to leave, they will also get severance and most likely earn more money in their new role, if they don't then they are selling themselves short. The remaing will have no issues in finding work out there, the demand for IT staff is extremely high, the highest it has been for many years and in certain technologies the highest it has EVER been. there is simply no recession in the world of IT, demand is far outstripping supply so im not worried about them finding a job. My company is actually going to assist.

MS is not hanging them out to dry. Let me tell you what its like in banking.... employee gets tap on the shoulder, follows manager, gets fired, immediately escorted off premises and on 'gardening leave' that's the cold hard reality. MS are spending a billion to assist their people as the world is watching how they do it and its their own reputation as an employer on the line. They are doing a LOT more than is required.
 

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Look, in the real world that's just not true. Many will find other roles within MS and their partners. Around 50% will have found a job without advertising their CV. Most of the MS employees will be middle management and they will have at least 5 offers on the table by the end of the 6 months they are due to leave, they will also get severance and most likely earn more money in their new role, if they don't then they are selling themselves short. The remaing will have no issues in finding work out there, the demand for IT staff is extremely high, the highest it has been for many years and in certain technologies the highest it has EVER been. there is simply no recession in the world of IT, demand is far outstripping supply so im not worried about them finding a job. My company is actually going to assist.

MS is not hanging them out to dry. Let me tell you what its like in banking.... employee gets tap on the shoulder, follows manager, gets fired, immediately escorted off premises and on 'gardening leave' that's the cold hard reality. MS are spending a billion to assist their people as the world is watching how they do it and its their own reputation as an employer on the line. They are doing a LOT more than is required.

That sounds awesome. Too bad there aren't any ways to quantify the expectations, mine, or yours
 

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