07-18-2014 10:51 AM
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  1. ndutznul's Avatar
    I also stick to wp too, same with OP.
    Using android since donut, wp since mango.
    There is a feeling about being somebody have phones not same with people around, and start a trendsetter.
    But too enjoy to leave wp, even After my lovely L520 stolen, and i have LG L7ii to replace, i feel something wrong holding android phone. So i trade it with L625, and starting feel comfortable in my hand.
    I think msft and nokia still have something that they keep and waiting to be released, and its make me said wow finally wp have reach top os level.
    07-14-2014 02:03 AM
  2. HaibaneReki's Avatar
    love at first sight (well, second N9 was first). It, was lonely in the beginning with my L800, but my now I have many padawans on the Lumia side of the Force :)
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    07-14-2014 02:28 AM
  3. Chregu's Avatar
    One of the reasons why I ditched my iPad mini was that I've only seen two types of people who use Apple stuff: the n00bs and the fanboys.
    Well, I have an iPad and I really wonder in what category I belong.
    07-14-2014 02:43 AM
  4. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    Well, I have an iPad and I really wonder in what category I belong.
    [sarcasm]
    Such a silly question... Of course you're a n00b.
    [/sarcasm]
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    07-14-2014 04:56 AM
  5. angusdegraosta's Avatar
    Go Windows Phone! Thanks for a good thread.
    07-14-2014 05:04 AM
  6. Chregu's Avatar
    Such a silly question... Of course you're a n00b.
    To be honest, that's much easier to accept than being called a fanboy ;-)
    07-14-2014 05:58 AM
  7. Maaz Mansori's Avatar
    To be honest, that's much easier to accept than being called a fanboy ;-)
    LOL. I think there should be a third category for those of us who have an iPad as a secondary device. Some us (me included) primarily use Microsoft products including Windows Phone, but we happen to have an iPad for any of the following reasons. 1) To familiarize ourselves with the OS to help others with issues or to help others compare iOS with Windows Phone or Windows RT. 2) To run a particular necessary app. 3) To use specifically with a piece of hardware that requires an iPad. 4) Because we just want it all.
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    07-14-2014 07:01 AM
  8. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Okay, I'll bite, having used the living daylights out of my trusty L920, on most days when I was working I would come home 8 in the evening with barely much left on the battery or a dead phone. When I first got my phone, it would last a few days on a single charge as I didn't utilize it to it is full potential (just some calls, texts, word and email).

    As I started adapting to the O/S and after a few months I found I was twiddling my thumbs most of the time waiting for the next appointment when I got to the office, as I was able to do most of my work on my L920 on the go however I always carried my laptop with me as a backup.

    Inspection notes? got one note for that combined the stellar camera plus cloud sync.
    Contract editing? covered with word.
    Contract signing? thanks to docusign + tethering printing contracts for signing were a thing of the past.
    Scanning? Camscanner.
    Collaborating? One drive + webapps + email
    CRM access - Internet Explorer (The IT guys were adamant it would not work and does not work )

    The only thing that was lacking was a floorplan app, had to use a woeful PDA for that. So yes, you could literally work off your phone and if anyone says Windows Phone is not capable.. then they haven't really worked on the go at all (to think where tech was 10 years ago lol). On the flipside if your co-workers are not technically proficient and insist on sending attachments with the wrong subject line then your out of luck there... no amount of tech will help you

    I'm in for the long haul and don't see myself using any other o/s in the near future.
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    07-14-2014 08:21 AM
  9. phasar's Avatar
    If Apple comes out with a 5 inch iPhone, I will jump on it so fast I'll need a parachute to stop. WP is just too incomplete, and windows RT is just useless. Plus, if Microsoft puts out anything significant it will be better on the iPhone than WP anyway.
    07-14-2014 11:27 AM
  10. HyperKid's Avatar
    If Apple comes out with a 5 inch iPhone, I will jump on it so fast I'll need a parachute to stop. WP is just too incomplete, and windows RT is just useless. Plus, if Microsoft puts out anything significant it will be better on the iPhone than WP anyway.
    "WP is just too incomplete" pff hahahahahahah really?????
    DUDE your so called iOS,which is complete,doesn't even support a normal Bluetooth connection,can't even delete photos that are synced from iTunes,after ~5-6 years now they have enabled predicted texts which I am using right now to type,also before a year they added QUICK Toggles AKA CONTROL CENTER WHICH AREN'T CUSTOMIZABLE BUT IN iOS 8, now they are adding an option,no Micro SD card option,no file manager, the list can go on....
    So please JUST STHU and don't you speak trash when you don't know and know to use ****.
    Go! I ain't deploying parachute for you but I would rather give you a turbo jet to go to your COMPLETE OS!
    07-14-2014 11:34 AM
  11. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    I don't know. I do like the OS of windows phone a lot. Main thing are apps. While it has most if what I use, I'm concerned with app support as well. A lot of apps I use haven't been updated for months. Another thing is I'm still unsure what direction the OS is going to go in light of recent rumors.

    As far as replacing my iPad, I'm not sure because it seems like the surface pro 3 seems to be the only thing is like and that would act as a laptop as we'll. there just doesn't seem to be a lot of windows apps.

    In regards to your integration question, I was mainly talking about if all the Microsoft services would sync across apple hardware well? Like calendar , mail , onenote , one drive, and etc.
    The Surface Pro 3 is a full-on, bring-on-your-biggest-beast, i5 or i7 c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r. Anything that will run on the Windows desktop will run on the Surface. Yeah, even Photoshop.

    Microsoft Office apps will certainly work on both PC and Mac, although your mileage may vary. This thread from the Microsoft Community refers to 2010/2011 versions, but will give you some idea of the differences you'll encounter when moving Word files between the 2 systems.

    Windows to Mac Compatibility - Microsoft Community
    Last edited by Nerdy Woman; 07-14-2014 at 01:25 PM.
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    07-14-2014 01:13 PM
  12. RavenSword's Avatar
    The Surface Pro 3 is a full-on, bring-on-your-biggest-beast, i5 or i7 c-o-m-p-u-t-e-r. Anything that will run on the Windows desktop will run on the Surface. Yeah, even Photoshop.

    Microsoft Office apps will certainly work on both PC and Mac, although your mileage may vary. This thread from the Microsoft Community refers to 2010/2011 versions, but will give you some idea of the differences you'll encounter when moving Word files between the 2 systems.

    Windows to Mac Compatibility - Microsoft Community
    Thanks for the link. I'm real curious how the Mac version of office 365 turns out when they update it to the 2014 version.
    07-14-2014 10:43 PM
  13. JamesPTao's Avatar
    I don't know. I do like the OS of windows phone a lot. Main thing are apps. While it has most if what I use, I'm concerned with app support as well. A lot of apps I use haven't been updated for months. Another thing is I'm still unsure what direction the OS is going to go in light of recent rumors.

    As far as replacing my iPad, I'm not sure because it seems like the surface pro 3 seems to be the only thing is like and that would act as a laptop as we'll. there just doesn't seem to be a lot of windows apps.

    In regards to your integration question, I was mainly talking about if all the Microsoft services would sync across apple hardware well? Like calendar , mail , onenote , one drive, and etc.
    The sp3 is a tablet PC, not a tablet. The surface 2 would be the replacement. If you got the sp3 you would be buying a full fledged computer and not am oversized phone and have access to all programs that run on a windows computer. Once threshold is released the apps being able to be written to work across all devices will cause a huge surge of new apps as it will lower cost of development and increase the pool of consumers ready to use them. And hopefully, if the rumors prove true, Microsoft will release threshold as a free upgrade to windows 7 and 8 users. The last part is obvious not set in stone but would be a very smart move for Microsoft in winning over their users, vastly speeding up adoption rate, and giving momentum to their app adoption rare for metro apps.
    07-14-2014 11:24 PM
  14. BobLobIaw's Avatar
    Well done, OP! This thread has been a long time coming and I'm a big fan of satire, irony and wit since the days I satisfied my freshman English requirement by taking a course of the same name. Better to read a good parody than to get uptight about all of the ridiculous "I'm leaving and let me tell you why in 1,000 words or more" missives. And from a science guy, nonetheless...brilliant!
    07-15-2014 12:45 AM
  15. Scienceguy Labs's Avatar
    Well done, OP! This thread has been a long time coming and I'm a big fan of satire, irony and wit since the days I satisfied my freshman English requirement by taking a course of the same name. Better to read a good parody than to get uptight about all of the ridiculous "I'm leaving and let me tell you why in 1,000 words or more" missives. And from a science guy, nonetheless...brilliant!
    Parody??? I was serious. lol Joking...
    Glad you got my humor and understood where I was coming from...even though I am a dull science guy. :) ha ha ha
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    07-15-2014 05:27 AM
  16. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I wouldn't count the amount of phones as a win.....more a sign of a Tech Junkie ;-) or someone who likes to have a new phone each day lol
    CE 3.0 ? Really ?

    I still own this, Yes, this is Windows CE 1.0 (they don't sell for anything these days never mind the screen is hard to read to today's standards, so I figured I would just keep it)
    ce-1.0.jpg

    This is a HPC (Handheld PC) as MS would call it, then they had PDAs (PocketPC), I have had every version from 1.0 (a Sharp if I am correct) My favorite of the MS PDA's was the HP HX4705, 4" display, wi-fi, blue-tooth and both SD cards, in a SOLD frame. I even had a portable keyboard with it.

    I'll never forget, this is going back years before Smartphones really hit, I had my 4700, while camping (they had wi-fi) and I was sitting at a public bench at a camp ground with my 4700 and a keyboard, replying to emails from an exchange server and I had crowds of people asking me what it was. Everyone thought I had the smallest laptop...ever, it was very cool and funny at the same time....

    The HP HX4700 when it was new retailed for $699.99....it was the highest end PDA ever made during the Windows Mobile days, It came with WP 2003, but, it could be upgraded to 6.1 and 6.5 with custom roms..

    How times have changed...
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 07-15-2014 at 07:36 PM.
    07-15-2014 05:51 PM
  17. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    Thanks for the link. I'm real curious how the Mac version of office 365 turns out when they update it to the 2014 version.
    I'm not sure what's going on under the hood, but recently, I had a client who had 150 lesson plans and student worksheets that were built in Pages on a Mac. He needed them converted to Word, updated with a new template and layout, and output as PDF files. Pages exports to Word as RTF files. Everything was in text boxes, stacked like transparencies waiting for their turn on the overhead projector. I had to peel them apart just to see the text. I laboriously copy/pasted text into a new Word docx file.

    The files contained lots and lots of graphic elements which, in Word, are anchored to a particular paragraph and layout parameters are specified in properties. When I returned all the files to him, Mac Word 2011 didn't interpret all the properties the same way. Graphics were everywhere and line endings varied. I think part of the issue was how the systems interpret fonts (probably TrueType fonts are more of an issue than OpenType fonts). Arial on the PC and Arial on the Mac are not identical. Spacing, and therefore, line endings and pagination are all affected.

    The PDFs were even worse. Word can output to PDF, but I printed to Acrobat Pro to access security features. When he opened PDFs on the Mac, some graphic elements were missing altogether. When he viewed the same files on his wife's PC, they displayed correctly.

    Both Microsoft and Apple can point fingers at each other all day long. Both can be extremely proprietary. But I'd have to say that Apple chose a divergent path a long time ago and they have never played well with others.
    07-16-2014 07:04 AM
  18. Chregu's Avatar
    The PDFs were even worse. Word can output to PDF, but I printed to Acrobat Pro to access security features. When he opened PDFs on the Mac, some graphic elements were missing altogether. When he viewed the same files on his wife's PC, they displayed correctly.
    If you create them by printing to Acrobat Pro and look at them with Acrobat Pro/Reader and they don't display the same on Mac and Windows, isn't that an Adobe problem?
    07-16-2014 07:11 AM
  19. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    CE 3.0 ? Really ?

    I still own this, Yes, this is Windows CE 1.0 (they don't sell for anything these days never mind the screen is hard to read to today's standards, so I figured I would just keep it)
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    This is a HPC (Handheld PC) as MS would call it, then they had PDAs (PocketPC), I have had every version from 1.0 (a Sharp if I am correct) My favorite of the MS PDA's was the HP HX4705, 4" display, wi-fi, blue-tooth and both SD cards, in a SOLD frame. I even had a portable keyboard with it.

    I'll never forget, this is going back years before Smartphones really hit, I had my 4700, while camping (they had wi-fi) and I was sitting at a public bench at a camp ground with my 4700 and a keyboard, replying to emails from an exchange server and I had crowds of people asking me what it was. Everyone thought I had the smallest laptop...ever, it was very cool and funny at the same time....

    The HP HX4700 when it was new retailed for $699.99....it was the highest end PDA ever made during the Windows Mobile days, It came with WP 2003, but, it could be upgraded to 6.1 and 6.5 with custom roms..

    How times have changed...
    It's nice to see someone else who has carried the Windows CE/Mobile banner for such a long time :-)

    I used to admire the old HPC's !!!! Back in the day I almost got myself one, and I kick myself that I didn't. I had my eye on one that was sold with a built in 56k modem, and a color screen !!!!

    I don't know how you guys managed with the monochrome screens, but still you all had mobile versions of Office and excel !!!

    At least I will have company in the retirement home with cool gadgets :-)
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    07-16-2014 10:06 AM
  20. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'm not sure what's going on under the hood, but recently, I had a client who had 150 lesson plans and student worksheets that were built in Pages on a Mac. He needed them converted to Word, updated with a new template and layout, and output as PDF files. Pages exports to Word as RTF files. Everything was in text boxes, stacked like transparencies waiting for their turn on the overhead projector. I had to peel them apart just to see the text. I laboriously copy/pasted text into a new Word docx file.

    The files contained lots and lots of graphic elements which, in Word, are anchored to a particular paragraph and layout parameters are specified in properties. When I returned all the files to him, Mac Word 2011 didn't interpret all the properties the same way. Graphics were everywhere and line endings varied. I think part of the issue was how the systems interpret fonts (probably TrueType fonts are more of an issue than OpenType fonts). Arial on the PC and Arial on the Mac are not identical. Spacing, and therefore, line endings and pagination are all affected.

    The PDFs were even worse. Word can output to PDF, but I printed to Acrobat Pro to access security features. When he opened PDFs on the Mac, some graphic elements were missing altogether. When he viewed the same files on his wife's PC, they displayed correctly.

    Both Microsoft and Apple can point fingers at each other all day long. Both can be extremely proprietary. But I'd have to say that Apple chose a divergent path a long time ago and they have never played well with others.
    Wow, that sounds like a nightmare. So what's the solution? Use word and not pages ? Or just not use Mac, lol .
    07-16-2014 02:49 PM
  21. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Wow, that sounds like a nightmare. So what's the solution? Use word and not pages ? Or just not use Mac, lol .

    It would probably work if one used Word not Pages.
    07-16-2014 02:55 PM
  22. RavenSword's Avatar
    It would probably work if one used Word not Pages.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking just so I could avoid any formatting issues to begin with.
    07-16-2014 04:58 PM
  23. Nerdy Woman's Avatar
    It would probably work if one used Word not Pages.
    Yeah, that's what I was thinking just so I could avoid any formatting issues to begin with.
    Remember, I copy/pasted all the text to a brand new Word docx file, eliminating all traces of RTF and the Pages origin. Formatting still messed up when my PC-originated Word docs were opened on a Mac. And I have no idea why the PC-originated PDFs didn't play nice except for the fact that PDF is not the set-in-stone format it once was. It has become almost as dynamic as any word processor format.

    Of course, all of this only applies to desktop apps - the full-featured, deep dive programs that are not the same for all OSs. If your work doesn't involve heavy lifting in the Office apps, you could use the browser-based Office Online and avoid the frustration.
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    07-16-2014 07:24 PM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    It's nice to see someone else who has carried the Windows CE/Mobile banner for such a long time :-)

    I used to admire the old HPC's !!!! Back in the day I almost got myself one, and I kick myself that I didn't. I had my eye on one that was sold with a built in 56k modem, and a color screen !!!!

    I don't know how you guys managed with the monochrome screens, but still you all had mobile versions of Office and excel !!!

    At least I will have company in the retirement home with cool gadgets :-)
    WOW, a fellow classic geek... You should PM me some time we should chat :)

    Yep been through them all, I was a HUGE MS PDA fan....and like on cell phones every 8-12 months I would need a new device and would find a way to get one... HP 3600, 5450.... Yea, I have had them all..

    I'm trying to see if I could hunt down the model first WM/ppc device I had. They really sucked back then Pre 2005, It had a battery, then a internal battery, if you did not charge it, when both batteries died, you lost ALL YOUR DATA.... it happened to me 2 times till I found a 3rd party internal backup to flashcard, every moring I would schedule a task to back it up, so if I got stuck someplace, I could recover..
    Edit:
    This is the first one I had....pretty sure..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips_Nino

    it was the Mono version of it (not the color) and it was branded under a different name, and I was in some program with Microsoft, I got it for like $20 at the time (they sold for about $150-200 at the time)...
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    07-16-2014 08:28 PM
  25. RavenSword's Avatar
    Remember, I copy/pasted all the text to a brand new Word docx file, eliminating all traces of RTF and the Pages origin. Formatting still messed up when my PC-originated Word docs were opened on a Mac. And I have no idea why the PC-originated PDFs didn't play nice except for the fact that PDF is not the set-in-stone format it once was. It has become almost as dynamic as any word processor format.

    Of course, all of this only applies to desktop apps - the full-featured, deep dive programs that are not the same for all OSs. If your work doesn't involve heavy lifting in the Office apps, you could use the browser-based Office Online and avoid the frustration.
    It surprises me that there would be formatting issues between office versions on Mac and PC. I'd assume they would format the same way?

    But yeah , I could always just use the online suite. But I kinda wanted to use 365.

    Jeez , I might just get a windows laptop at this point, ha ha.
    07-17-2014 12:42 AM
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