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  1. werner6769's Avatar
    I am so pleased to hear this. I've said it before, the last thing the market needs is another android phone! Good news for all WP developers.
    X0LARIUM likes this.
    07-17-2014 04:49 PM
  2. winrayjay99's Avatar
    No matter how we look at this. People are still not going believe Microsoft is going to promote development on windows phone, and make some Android emulator. I think the moves being made currently by Setya Nidella is very good, and may help all of Microsoft's divisions. I mean look at Xbox they are focusing more on games and less on original tv show's. Microsoft needs to compete stronger. Supporting Windows more and not forking Android is the only way.
    07-17-2014 05:17 PM
  3. LockOnTech's Avatar
    To another form of news like the previous post, Asha and S40 are going to be gone. Sad, but understanding; I still have a Nokia C3-00 i bought in 2009, and I liked the phone. It is now just collecting dust.
    sd173 likes this.
    07-17-2014 08:40 PM
  4. RavenSword's Avatar
    So, I get that from a usability standpoint it's good they stuck with WP, but that still doesn't solve the app problem. At least going android they would get a lot more apps.
    Dietrich Cleijne likes this.
    07-17-2014 11:15 PM
  5. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    I spoke to some friend and there seems to be some mass-aversion policy towards Windows Phone. She asked me what phone and the moment I said Windows Phone, she said no no...and you know the funniest part? She wants to buy a new phone cause her current Xperia L P C T P whatever is so sluggish and slow...BUT STILL she doesn't mind an Android. This is more bizarre and complex than quantum physics. You have a phone, which is a living example of how horrible this OS is, but STILL want another one of the same kind. I JUST don't get it. I finally gave up. I said, it was futile asking for my opinion.
    07-18-2014 12:40 AM
  6. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    Let your friend try Windows Phone. Who knows, she might like it.

    Seriously, a lot of people are hating WP without even trying to use it.
    07-18-2014 01:15 AM
  7. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Let your friend try Windows Phone. Who knows, she might like it.

    Seriously, a lot of people are hating WP without even trying to use it.
    That's the problem mate...they JUST don't want to pick it up. The moment you utter "Windows Phon...." They are shaking their head violently...and believe me, every single one who has used it after the initial stage of skepticism, have never gone back to anything else. Definitely not Android. But it's that first level they need to cross..
    Steven Taylor 5 likes this.
    07-18-2014 01:40 AM
  8. RavenSword's Avatar
    That's the problem mate...they JUST don't want to pick it up. The moment you utter "Windows Phon...." They are shaking their head violently...and believe me, every single one who has used it after the initial stage of skepticism, have never gone back to anything else. Definitely not Android. But it's that first level they need to cross..
    I think your making some assumptions that anyone who uses WO for a good amount never goes back to anything else. I know that I used WP for about a month and had to go back to iOS because of apps.
    WillysJeepMan likes this.
    07-18-2014 01:57 AM
  9. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Yes, Good move Microsoft.
    07-18-2014 03:06 AM
  10. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    I think your making some assumptions that anyone who uses WO for a good amount never goes back to anything else. I know that I used WP for about a month and had to go back to iOS because of apps.
    I said surely not going back to Android. And secondly, yes, Apps is the reason they backtrack, NOT the OS itself. People LOVE WP. Believe me. But it's the "app-gap" that makes them go scattering for alternatives. ..
    07-18-2014 04:06 AM
  11. akthelonelyman's Avatar
    Well Good decision.they might have considered it but then decided it was the wrong path to chose.
    Anyway great decision.wp deserves to live on.hopefully from now on we get the Microsoft apps first. Skype ....😄
    07-18-2014 04:27 AM
  12. Residing's Avatar
    That's the problem mate...they JUST don't want to pick it up. The moment you utter "Windows Phon...." They are shaking their head violently...and believe me, every single one who has used it after the initial stage of skepticism, have never gone back to anything else. Definitely not Android. But it's that first level they need to cross..
    Why do you identify your phone as 'Windows Phone'? Technically, you DON'T have a Windows Phone...you have a Nokia Lumia (or Samsung ATIV, or HTC 8x).

    I will NEVER, nor have I ever, identified my device to anyone by saying it's a Windows Phone (because it isn't). And yes, people want to hold and use my phone (both my Lumia 900 and Lumia 1020).
    07-18-2014 04:42 AM
  13. Loco5150's Avatar
    IMO, it's decisions like the Nokia X that led to Nokia losing the smartphone market and being bought out by Microsoft. The Nokia X is a directionless, poorly thought out phone with little hope of succeeding. That was Nokia before selling out. They had too many phones, too many OSs and no idea which direction they wanted (or needed) to go. It's no surprise that Nokia's first post-Windows Phone device turned out to be a complete mess. I'm glad Microsoft isn't dealing with this headache anymore.
    On the opposite. Things "like the Nokia X" has nothing to do with Nokia's downfall in the handset space. That has to do with poor management and other administrator decisions.

    Nokia X was a briliant move by Nokia to force MS to buy the handset division. Most likely they had a full Android device in the works also (I would have, ready to announce as soon as the exclusitivity ends!). This should be clear to everyone now as more and more sales numbers are poping up. WP is not doing good and Nokia to get the price what they did is amazing. Seriously, the handset division was and is a piece of **** business. Most likely MS would have had easier job on starting with one Surface phone and build it from there vs. making the bought division profidable. Nokia just had palyed their cards so well (well, of course after they ****ed up big time to get themself in the mess they were), that MS had no other choise then buy. Nokia was able to dictate good conditions, no make it VERY good condtions. This of course was due to Nokia dominance in the WP space, if Nokia would have gone Android after the exclusivity ended, it would have been bye bye WP.

    I have a feeling that you will read about this play by Nokia later in the business education books. First chapter is about one of the biggest fall's in the history; by mr. Ollila and mr. Kallasmaa and how they ruined the whole company and the second about how mr. Siilasmaa and the rest of the board played so they forced Microsoft to buy pile of ****. Damn they got good conditions..... Seriously, they kept everything thats worth any money.. LOL the name, the patents, NSN, everything... Whoaaaaaa.

    What would be nice to know are full facts and numbers. Could Nokia have gone the Android route in the beginning rather than WP? There are so many things to consider in this scenario, like Here for example (google would have done everything probably to destroy the only real competiton to google maps). Also the amounts MS paid to support Nokia with WP were most likely crucial on supporting Nokia between the transition.

    Lol, I wonder how early they knew about the total destruction of Symbian, Im sure it was wayyyy sooner than many think. They knew they were in some deepest fking **** ever.
    Last edited by Loco5150; 07-18-2014 at 06:09 AM.
    07-18-2014 05:22 AM
  14. AndyM72's Avatar
    So, I get that from a usability standpoint it's good they stuck with WP, but that still doesn't solve the app problem. At least going android they would get a lot more apps.
    Why are their still people on this forum that don't get it? MS buying Nokia has sod all to do with more apps, less apps, whatever.

    When "Nokia Devices and Services" (now Microsoft Mobile Oy) was part of Nokia, their focus was to make money by selling hardware. Hence the Nokia X was cooked up, it was a way to sell more Nokia hardware. Just like Series 40 on Asha was.

    Microsoft bought "Nokia Devices and Services", because it was the leading hardware supporter of their Mobile OS and Services ecosystem, 9 out of 10 Windows Phones sold is a Lumia, and there was a (perceived) threat that Nokia might focus less on the MS ecosystem in the search for more hardware sales.

    From Microsoft's point of view, the only thing they wanted Microsoft Mobile Oy for, what the new focus of that part of Microsoft now is, is to support and add value to the rest of the Microsoft Software Ecosystem. So anything that isn't doing that, is getting chopped.

    There is absolutely no logical reason for Microsoft to keep that other stuff around. It clearly never wanted those parts of Nokia Devices and Services. I'm sure Nokia told MS "so you want to buy just our Lumia division? You can't. You have to buy the whole handset division, or the deal is off".

    So yes, that $7 Billion was to buy parts of another company that MS didn't want and had every intention to shut down as soon as they had full control. It was money down the pan, and MS knew that, but they were played. MS only wanted Lumia. Some Nokia X hardware designs are close enough to the needs of Windows Phone that they can easily be repurposed as Lumias, without wasting the work already done, so that's a partial recovery of value from the parts of Microsoft Mobile Oy that are being shut down, and selling off MixRadio will recover a bit more.

    Personally, since it was probably Elop that did this hardball play with Microsoft, I'm amazed Microsoft hired him back, I know he's ex MS coming back to the fold, but how could they continue to trust such a backstabber? Watch for 18 months time when Asha and X hit end of life of support, expect Elop to leave MS to "seek new challenges" or "spend more time with his family". He's probably pocketed enough cash not to have to work again...
    07-18-2014 06:04 AM
  15. Loco5150's Avatar
    Personally, since it was probably Elop that did this hardball play with Microsoft,
    Thats a common mistake people do with big companies. The biggest power in the company is held by the board. Mr. Siilasmaa is the one who ultimately played the hardball here.

    Of course you have stronger CEO's, like Jobs for example, but ultimately its the board who can fire the CEO, not the other way around.

    One thing to think about however is the decision on hiring Elop in the first place, done by the board of course. But Im sure they didnt have too many options... Who would have wanted to hop on to that sinking ship?
    07-18-2014 06:23 AM
  16. X0LARIUM's Avatar
    Why do you identify your phone as 'Windows Phone'? Technically, you DON'T have a Windows Phone...you have a Nokia Lumia (or Samsung ATIV, or HTC 8x).

    I will NEVER, nor have I ever, identified my device to anyone by saying it's a Windows Phone (because it isn't). And yes, people want to hold and use my phone (both my Lumia 900 and Lumia 1020).
    Because I am in love WITH WP and NOT Nokia Lumia 820. I have an issue with the phone size :P I've heard people say I have an Android. Not HTC or Samsung..or whatever. Cause once you say Android, it doesn't matter..Just the way I say WP and they start shaking their heads. I am sorry to disagree with you, but I am going to call it Windows Phone.
    JamesPTao likes this.
    07-18-2014 07:26 AM
  17. TechFreak1's Avatar
    In short, No plus this has already been discussed ad nauseam.
    07-18-2014 01:05 PM
  18. fdalbor's Avatar
    Can't tell you how many times I have pulled my 820 out of its case and someone says "Hey thats a windows phone". It happens several times a day and this is with people I don't even know. People know what it is; but they are still not buying it for some reason. It works for me and that is all that matters unless they stop making them.????????
    colinkiama and X0LARIUM like this.
    07-18-2014 03:45 PM
  19. colinkiama's Avatar
    Can't tell you how many times I have pulled my 820 out of its case and someone says "Hey thats a windows phone". It happens several times a day and this is with people I don't even know. People know what it is; but they are still not buying it for some reason. It works for me and that is all that matters unless they stop making them.????????
    I know that feel.
    It's happened to me many times.
    I'm pretty sure it's happened to everyone
    07-18-2014 04:24 PM
  20. winrayjay99's Avatar
    On the opposite. Things "like the Nokia X" has nothing to do with Nokia's downfall in the handset space. That has to do with poor management and other administrator decisions.

    Nokia X was a briliant move by Nokia to force MS to buy the handset division. Most likely they had a full Android device in the works also (I would have, ready to announce as soon as the exclusitivity ends!). This should be clear to everyone now as more and more sales numbers are poping up. WP is not doing good and Nokia to get the price what they did is amazing. Seriously, the handset division was and is a piece of **** business. Most likely MS would have had easier job on starting with one Surface phone and build it from there vs. making the bought division profidable. Nokia just had palyed their cards so well (well, of course after they ****ed up big time to get themself in the mess they were), that MS had no other choise then buy. Nokia was able to dictate good conditions, no make it VERY good condtions. This of course was due to Nokia dominance in the WP space, if Nokia would have gone Android after the exclusivity ended, it would have been bye bye WP.

    I have a feeling that you will read about this play by Nokia later in the business education books. First chapter is about one of the biggest fall's in the history; by mr. Ollila and mr. Kallasmaa and how they ruined the whole company and the second about how mr. Siilasmaa and the rest of the board played so they forced Microsoft to buy pile of ****. Damn they got good conditions..... Seriously, they kept everything thats worth any money.. LOL the name, the patents, NSN, everything... Whoaaaaaa.

    What would be nice to know are full facts and numbers. Could Nokia have gone the Android route in the beginning rather than WP? There are so many things to consider in this scenario, like Here for example (google would have done everything probably to destroy the only real competiton to google maps). Also the amounts MS paid to support Nokia with WP were most likely crucial on supporting Nokia between the transition.

    Lol, I wonder how early they knew about the total destruction of Symbian, Im sure it was wayyyy sooner than many think. They knew they were in some deepest fking **** ever.
    Nokia and Microsoft have been working together for a long time it seems. Bing maps is basically powered by Nokia's here mapping software. We all know that Google wants a tech monopoly so Microsoft made a good move buying Nokia.
    07-18-2014 05:10 PM
  21. Loco5150's Avatar
    Microsoft bought Nokia's devices and services, meaning mainly the phones. Heavy losses making unit, that does not look to be getting better either. Lumia's aint selling jack and the feature phones are selling less and less.

    They also got a lot of stuff they dont want, which they are starting to kill now. A move they had to make does not mean a good move.

    If you look at this with very basic business perspective, you have to agree. Nokia dumped to Microsoft a unit that looses money, does not have any indicators ahead for better and had parts that Microsoft didnt want for 7bn... Even mr. Siilasmaa said after the announcement "we werent seeing anything that indicated that the phones would come profidable again". Meaning higher end Lumia's werent moving at all.

    What we just heard, 12 million 520's sold. OMG thats low. And its the freaking 520 that isnt for sure making any money, and only 12 million. Apple could sell 12 million rocks with their logo 100usd a piece on launch.

    It does not look good for Microsoft and WP at the moment, but its a great OS and if they keep pushing it long enough, maybe they can turn it around. It will take a lot of time though. Things change in this space, history proves it; Motorola, Ericsson and Nokia, all have gone down in flames and fast. Im sure there will be others too.
    Last edited by Loco5150; 07-19-2014 at 03:19 AM.
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