07-20-2014 04:47 PM
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  1. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Of course MS laid off half the Nokia side of the equation. Microsoft has no need for various redundant departments. This was nothing more than a simple cost cutting measure that only made sense. Xbox Entertainment... especially the TV show portion failed to produce any hype at all. My hat is off to MS for killing that off before it became a true money drain. Bit surprised they didn't do that earlier. I don't see them ditching WP right after the purchased an entire base for phone manufacturing.
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    07-19-2014 06:28 PM
  2. Tom Snyder's Avatar
    I don't think this means they're ditching it. The layoffs or "betrayal" of Nokia certainly doesn't mean they will. Apple only has one phone that they brand and manage in house. Why can't Microsoft?
    offbeatbop,
    Windows is not Apple or Google, do you think they ought to buy HP, ASUS, Samsung, Acer, Lenovo, IBM and the rest of the computer manufactures so there would only be one computer or laptop to buy as well. If you don't like freedom of choice limit yourself to one brand and style let the others have freedom to chose what they want.
    07-19-2014 06:45 PM
  3. Vishnu Hs's Avatar
    Another post about how wp is crap!!and many many ppl defending it!!
    Oh god why
    I hear enough thy shall redeem u all if u leave this forum go back to your normal life and enjoy rather than coming here and pouring your heart out to defend a smartphone just because you purchased it!!

    meanwhile in a parallel world ppl are enjoying android and ios(they are so happy,why cant we be?)
    07-19-2014 08:25 PM
  4. Matt Fara's Avatar
    Sooooooo....... Basically Microsoft's strategy was to buy Nokia for 7.2 billion and then abandon it.
    Makes perfect sense, don't know why I didn't see it before, OP for new CEO!
    BobLobIaw likes this.
    07-19-2014 08:31 PM
  5. winrayjay99's Avatar
    So when they get merged it'll run the same software effectively killing off Windows phone.
    If there will be no distinction between the 2 we'll just have windows.
    That's where it is going with Google and Apple. I mean you will see ios on mac books and Android on laptops before we are done.
    07-19-2014 09:21 PM
  6. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That's where it is going with Google and Apple. I mean you will see ios on mac books and Android on laptops before we are done.
    I don't see it happening because they both enjoy healthy market share and don't need to scramble and find something to entice users.

    Sent From a POS Android Smartphone
    07-19-2014 10:14 PM
  7. osoalex's Avatar
    I don't think they will ditch Windows Phone since it's software.

    They *almost* ditched the entire Nokia team because it's synonym of hardware manufacturing and that's not the new focus of Microsoft.
    07-20-2014 02:19 AM
  8. Karl Whitfield's Avatar
    Rome wasn't built in a day. A few more high end handsets and i think Windows Phone could establish itself as a serious alternative to iOS and Android to most smartphone users. Nobody wanted a platform you couldn't customise and nobody wanted a device that lacked the hardware of other similar Android devices and the iPhone.

    Microsoft cannot afford to ditch this platform after spending a fortune on Nokia, investing previously into the company before the takeover and of course working on Windows Phone independently too! They have only really just finalised this deal too and it's only now that i think we can expect them to 'go for it'.

    The whole Windows Phone vision feeds into the idea of having Windows on every device from PC to tablet and finally Phone. They cannot afford to let Android continue to dominate in any particular market unchallenged, as it could begin to reach into the desktop computer territory (we've already seen convertible laptops with Android) and then Microsoft is in big trouble because Android comes with many apps and developers and without the PC Microsoft is left in a weak and vulnerable position in many respects.
    07-20-2014 03:56 AM
  9. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    They need to ditch that alleged Q4 release date, to a Q3 release date. Preferably September.
    07-20-2014 04:58 AM
  10. colinkiama's Avatar
    this thread has run it's course, it's another wp will fail thread. we don't know what microsoft is planning but they are definitely not abandoning wp. in android central and imore you will never ever see threads like this. if you're saying wp will fail then keep it to yourself, stop making people feel bad for owning something, make them feel god for the choice they made

    Have faith in WP.
    07-20-2014 05:10 AM
  11. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    in android central and imore you will never ever see threads like this.
    To be fair, Android and Iphone are still selling.
    07-20-2014 05:39 AM
  12. quotethepigeon's Avatar
    this thread has run it's course, it's another wp will fail thread. we don't know what microsoft is planning but they are definitely not abandoning wp. in android central and imore you will never ever see threads like this. if you're saying wp will fail then keep it to yourself, stop making people feel bad for owning something, make them feel god for the choice they made

    Have faith in WP.
    It's a forum , a place for discussion regarding different points of view.
    Just because you don't agree with an opinion it doesn't mean people should "keep it to themselves".
    07-20-2014 07:52 AM
  13. StuBeck's Avatar
    No, they won't. Cutting the Nokia staff was always going to happen no matter what the anti-MS fanboys want you to think. It unfortunately doesn't make sense to keep the entire staff when you buy out another company. They have invested enough in WP and Win RT to get rid of them as they are getting market share in emerging markets. They DO need to make a general purpose high end phone if they want the US and high end Europe market, but otherwise they are doing very well to get to where they are right now.
    07-20-2014 08:30 AM
  14. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Seriously? This defies all logic as a few have said WP 8.1 is running the latest version of the NT Kernal. If Ms going to call it quits, they would have after they dropped support for WM 6.x. The reason why WP hasn't gained that much traction in the USA as because they are to focused on polishing apps on competing platforms, not to mention not utilising their major brand asset - Xbox. Which is huge in the US, if all the games released on windows phone had Xbox live integration with achievements you can bet it would had pushed a lot of sales.

    This is where the MS marketing team have failed, MS is in a unique position where they have a tremendous amount of Brand leverage and loyalty in regards to Xbox. They used this to sell Wp7 and that was a good idea.. but where it failed was the certification process, it was a nightmare for indie devs to get through it (let alone get the xbox live certification). The open source xbox live framework would have addressed this however it has gone the way of the courier tablet... in to thin air. The return of the 40+ xbox live titles, is a good start now they need to retain that momentum.

    In terms of ditching the finns, they haven't.. phone development is still happening in Finland and majority of the cuts are factory workers and the Asha series (which makes sense as they have low budget windows phone devices).

    in terms of Microsoft's phone engineering efforts, Elop indicated that future high end Lumia devices will continue to be developed in Salo, Finland, while the budget priced phones will be developed in Tampere, Finland. Elop confined that the company will "ramp down engineering work in Oulu", which helped to develop software for Nokia's Asha feature phone line.

    Elop added:

    While we plan to reduce the engineering in Beijing and San Diego, both sites will continue to have supporting roles, including affordable devices in Beijing and supporting specific US requirements in San Diego. Espoo and Lund are planned to continue to be focused on application software development. We plan to right-size our manufacturing operations to align to the new strategy and take advantage of integration opportunities. We expect to focus phone production mainly in Hanoi, with some production to continue in Beijing and Dongguan. We plan to shift other Microsoft manufacturing and repair operations to Manaus and Reynosa respectively, and start a phased exit from Komaron, Hungary.
    Stephen Elop explains how recent job cuts will affect Microsoft's handset division | Windows Phone Central
    07-20-2014 10:23 AM
  15. dgr_874's Avatar
    I don't think that Microsoft is abandoning WP. Trimming the amount of products they are responsible for way down in order to support them better was a given after the purchase of Nokia's handset division. However, I firmly believe that WP is going to take a backseat to the software side of the house in order to focus on getting people to use Microsoft services over the next year or two. Just look at how many Microsoft services work on all the different platforms. OneDrive, Skype (better on iOS and android), Xbox music, and now Office on iPad(something people wanted for years). You can almost move from platform to platform and keep using Microsoft's services with hardly any interruption.

    For me, I think its awesome they are doing that. By having Microsoft's services wherever I go, I have freedom in what hardware I use. If Apple comes out with a great phone, I can use it with little interruption in using my data. When I get bored with that, I can always switch to the flavor of the month Android and still keep using my data. Then if someone makes an awesome windows phone, I can just comfortably move back to that. I think that would be awesome. In fact, this reminds me of how Microsoft got started and their push for "a computer on every desk running windows" of so many years ago that was massively successful for them. I think they are going to do the same thing for services on all the other platforms.

    Once they have all their software running well on everyone's platform, and have worked out the kinks with "threshold", then I think they will be in a good position to refocus back on the hardware. I'm sure some nice stuff will come along in the next year or two to try and keep people interested, but that's not going to be the focus in my opinion.

    TL DR Version,
    Software focus first (especially subscription based ones), hardware on the backburner until "threshold"
    07-20-2014 10:32 AM
  16. colinkiama's Avatar
    lol i blame xbox live certification. remove that and a flock of games will be released on the store
    07-20-2014 12:02 PM
  17. colinkiama's Avatar
    i also blame the fact that you can't make 8/8.1 apps on windows 7. most developers are on 7. they won't switch their os to develop for something with low marketshare. windows 7 is the key!
    07-20-2014 12:19 PM
  18. Divjot Singh's Avatar
    This pretty much makes me believe that they are 100% committed.

    Windows Phone
    07-20-2014 01:12 PM
  19. leo5122's Avatar
    my 2 cents on the whole thing, calling MS A-Holes for laying off half the Nokia people is WRONG! know why??? because either "A" Nokia themselves were eventualy going to do a house cleaning "B" no matter who bought Nokia they 100% would have done same thing, say wow! you have 3 departments all doing the exact same thing GOODBYE!....
    07-20-2014 01:32 PM
  20. three_thoughts's Avatar
    Killing the Nokia X and shifting the designs to making low cost windows phones is pretty much the biggest sign that MS is committed to the platform.

    They are rapidly catching up. A year ago, not many people would have heard of Windows Phone and I pretty much never saw anyone using one. Now I see several every day on my commute here in the UK. It's mostly low end 520's, 620's and 625's.

    As Elop said, they aren't trying to make money on the hardware, they are trying to get volume to make money on the services. So hopefully we will see more low end Lumia's with good specs for really great value much like the 630 and 635 and compete in the mid range with the Moto G.

    Windows Phone doesn't need to be better at everything than Android or iOS to succeed. It just needs to be good enough at enough things for most people, and be offered at a good price.
    AndyM72, Maaz Mansori and Etios like this.
    07-20-2014 02:21 PM
  21. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    Originally the plan was to merge Windows RT and Windows Phone together, but then came Universal apps in Windows Phone 8.1 for PC and phone.

    Now they are going a step further, the person above me has explained this pretty well.

    WP is not dead, improvements are being made at a rapid pace.
    Sent from my RM-914_im_mea3_380 using Tapatalk
    Win RT and WP are being merged, hence Universal Apps.
    Soon, there will be on OS to rule them all.
    07-20-2014 02:34 PM
  22. rockstarzzz's Avatar
    This thread has run its course (did it ever have one?) and we don't like FUDs at WPCentral. Also, its as aimless as any off topic thread we've created in the past. There are about 349 threads with similar things that we've talked about since 2010 on this forum - WP is still here.
    07-20-2014 04:47 PM
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