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  1. Jazmac's Avatar
    With the new CEO in place, innovation seems to be taking a vacation for the remainder of 2014 and possibly into the first quarter of 2015. Meaning, any new innovation in handsets will again come well after the other two platforms, for which are all due to arrive in the latter half of 2014. Developers for IOS will have access to over Four Thousand NEW API's to develop and innovate and android successor to KitKat, named Lollipop is due to arrive this summer in 2014. Hungry developers are chomping at the bit to dig into the new offerings.

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    Mark Hatchmen of PCWorld writes: "With Nokia McLaren not happening any more, one must note that the firm does not have a single flagship to show off in the second half of 2014. Major players in the industry have either planned or preparing to launch something extraordinary sometime around IFA Berlin tech show. Microsoft's McLaren was initially projected as the successor to the Nokia Lumia 1020, which is also reportedly set to be phased out in September. So far Nokia has launched the Lumia 930 around the world. The device is being promoted as a flagship handset. Unfortunately, Microsoft hasn't launched the Lumia 930 in India." Elop notes: "Today, We will be particularly focused on making the market for Windows Phone. In the near term, we plan to drive Windows Phone volume by targeting the more affordable smartphone segments, [More 520's] which are the fastest growing segments of the market, with Lumia, Elop wrote in his Thursday memo. In addition to the portfolio already planned, we plan to deliver additional lower-cost Lumia devices by shifting select future Nokia X designs and products to Windows Phone devices. We expect to make this shift immediately while continuing to sell and support existing Nokia X products. In short, it'll be at least a year before any new flagships come out of Redmond.

    Developers, developers, developers.

    What does these surprising changes say to the developer community? Wait until Microsoft has a direction before advancing or screw this, I got bills to pay too. In tech, waiting to make a move is its own death spiral. Then to wait until the summer of 2015 is simply a bridge too far for developers and users alike. It siphons the life out of your product as well as your brand. So why risk it?
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    07-20-2014 12:51 AM
  2. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    With the new CEO in place, innovation seems to be taking a vacation for the remainder of 2014 and possibly into the first quarter of 2015. Meaning, any new innovation in handsets will again come well after the other two platforms, for which are all due to arrive in the latter half of 2014. Developers for IOS will have access to over Four Thousand NEW API's to develop and innovate and android successor to KitKat, named Lollipop is due to arrive this summer in 2014. Hungry developers are chomping at the bit to dig into the new offerings.

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    Mark Hatchmen of PCWorld writes: "With Nokia McLaren not happening any more, one must note that the firm does not have a single flagship to show off in the second half of 2014. Major players in the industry have either planned or preparing to launch something extraordinary sometime around IFA Berlin tech show. Microsoft's McLaren was initially projected as the successor to the Nokia Lumia 1020, which is also reportedly set to be phased out in September. So far Nokia has launched the Lumia 930 around the world. The device is being promoted as a flagship handset. Unfortunately, Microsoft hasn't launched the Lumia 930 in India." Elop notes: "Today, “We will be particularly focused on making the market for Windows Phone. In the near term, we plan to drive Windows Phone volume by targeting the more affordable smartphone segments, [More 520's] which are the fastest growing segments of the market, with Lumia,” Elop wrote in his Thursday memo. “In addition to the portfolio already planned, we plan to deliver additional lower-cost Lumia devices by shifting select future Nokia X designs and products to Windows Phone devices. We expect to make this shift immediately while continuing to sell and support existing Nokia X products.” In short, it'll be at least a year before any new flagships come out of Redmond.

    Developers, developers, developers.

    What does these surprising changes say to the developer community? Wait until Microsoft has a direction before advancing or screw this, I got bills to pay too. In tech, waiting to make a move is its own death spiral. Then to wait until the summer of 2015 is simply a bridge too far for developers and users alike. It siphons the life out of your product as well as your brand. So why risk it?
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    07-20-2014 06:18 AM
  3. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Say it ain't so, Jazmac. So are you leaving us for HTC M8 or Iphone 6?
    07-20-2014 06:22 AM
  4. Jazmac's Avatar
    Say it ain't so, Jazmac. So are you leaving us for HTC M8 or Iphone 6?
    Not my style techzealot. For the record, I'm not going anywhere. If I were to leave, poof.
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    07-20-2014 06:51 PM
  5. rodan01's Avatar
    App development is a business. Developers work in an app because It's possible to make money, not because there are 4500 new APIs, that's irrelevant.
    The sales of the last few months have relatively low importance in economic decisions, the size of the installed base is much more important.

    I wouldn't call the 3d gimmicks innovation. When was the last time you saw innovation in smartphones?

    The 930 is good, there are rumors of a 1525, and maybe they could launch a 1030 without the 3d gimmicks.
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    07-20-2014 07:17 PM
  6. Jazmac's Avatar
    App development is a business. Developers work in an app because It's possible to make money, not because there are 4500 new APIs, that's irrelevant.
    The sales of the last few months have relatively low importance in economic decisions, the size of the installed base is much more important.

    I wouldn't call the 3d gimmicks innovation. When was the last time you saw innovation in smartphones?

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    The 930 is good, there are rumors of a 1525, and maybe they could launch a 1030 without the 3d gimmicks.
    Already stated.
    But thanks for sharing that bit of information. Without you, we might have been left to believe all these apps were being built for free.
    07-20-2014 07:49 PM
  7. Elitis's Avatar
    I'm tired of people acting like Nokia (now Microsoft Mobile) is the only OEM for WP, especially now after all of the announcements of new devices from new manufacturers. Samsung has been rumored to be working on several new WP devices since the rumors of the ATIV SE started. HTC has been rumored to be working on bringing a WP-variant of the One. Sony has stated their interest in creating a WP device. Then we have the other new manufacturers that were announced at Build earlier this year.

    So the McLaren can suck it. We've got a good chance of at least one new flagship device this year. And there's still a chance we've see McLaren later this year. Chances are good that the 3D Touch (or whatever it was) was removed from the device, or the device simply has taken on a new name, but they're still planning on releasing it. On the other hand, if it was canceled entirely, I applaud the decision. Too many of you think like the average consumer. A major factor in Microsoft cancelling the Surface Mini was rumored to be that there was nothing to differentiate it from other small tablets. It's likely the same thinking for the cancellation of the McLaren. Why release a product that is no different from your competitor's product? And if it's different, why release it if it isn't better? There isn't a reason to.
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    07-20-2014 08:06 PM
  8. rodan01's Avatar
    Already stated.
    But thanks for sharing that bit of information. Without you, we might have been left to believe all these apps were being built for free.
    If you're aware of those bits of information, then maybe It's a lack of the basic ability of dismissing inconsistent ideas. Because what you posted doesn't make sense.
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    07-20-2014 08:22 PM
  9. Jazmac's Avatar
    If you're aware of those bits of information, then maybe It's a lack of the basic ability of dismissing inconsistent ideas. Because what you posted doesn't make sense.
    Seriously? Move on.
    07-21-2014 09:06 AM
  10. Chregu's Avatar
    I'm tired of people acting like Nokia (now Microsoft Mobile) is the only OEM for WP, especially now after all of the announcements of new devices from new manufacturers. Samsung has been rumored to be working on several new WP devices since the rumors of the ATIV SE started. HTC has been rumored to be working on bringing a WP-variant of the One. Sony has stated their interest in creating a WP device. Then we have the other new manufacturers that were announced at Build earlier this year.
    Samsung makes a boatload of money with their Android devices and if they focus on another platform it's Tizen not Windows Phone. Remember, for their last Windows Phone device (which is only available from one US carrier) it seemed like they took the outdated hardware of the Galaxy S4 and installed Windows Phone on it, while they announced the Galaxy S5.

    HTC is in troubles, they hardly will spend a lot of money to invest in a platform Nokia has almost full market share. They are just gaining back grounds with their Android devices.

    Both of them might be releasing a Windows Phone device, but it will hardly be on par with their Android flag-ships. There's just no reason for them to do that.

    The Sony device was rumored months ago, and since then opinion has rather shifted to "with a PS4, why should they support a platform that is using the Xbox name that heavily?"

    All the phones that are really announced and not just hopeful thinking or nebulous rumors are low-end devices without exception.

    But, as we know, that's where Microsoft wants to be.
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    07-21-2014 09:20 AM
  11. Zomby Jeezus's Avatar
    Elitis, I agree with your argument on Nokia not being the only Oem. I think people and devs alike may be concerned about the recent moves since Microsoft is making the moves and what these moves may mean going forward. Are these moves being done to be "lean", or are they reflection of their commitment or lack thereof to Lumia, innovation or WP in general. It's hard to tell and there are more questions than answers now (as usual).

    Are Htc and Sony going to be more interested or less interested in jumping in Wp now? We don't know yet...
    07-21-2014 09:30 AM
  12. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    The latest revelations don't concern me too much since I see the entire RT effort as a disaster. As a mediocre independent developer, the entire RT effort was doomed to fail from the beginning because it forced developers to start from scratch with a new API (and new threading constructs, and new file access patterns, and new internet access patterns, etc, etc.). In addition to the increased development burden, there were zero users of the new RT API. Zero userbase + significant development effort = all pain, no gain.

    The only way it would have been successful is if MSFT had made RT backwards compatible with Win7 via some sort of "Platform Update". That way I could have shifted to the new app framework and sell the same binary into my installed base of users, who are happy with Win7. MSFT already had a portable API with millions of manhours of experience, Win32. Why they didn't exploit that huge advantage is beyond me. It was a colossal design and implementation blunder and, imho, will end up killing MSFT.
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    07-21-2014 09:31 AM
  13. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    I'm tired of people acting like Nokia (now Microsoft Mobile) is the only OEM for WP
    Uh, Nokia made up the preponderance of Windows Phone sales. Nokia IS Windows Phone. That's all on Microsoft now.
    07-22-2014 09:46 AM
  14. rodan01's Avatar
    The latest revelations don't concern me too much since I see the entire RT effort as a disaster. As a mediocre independent developer, the entire RT effort was doomed to fail from the beginning because it forced developers to start from scratch with a new API (and new threading constructs, and new file access patterns, and new internet access patterns, etc, etc.). In addition to the increased development burden, there were zero users of the new RT API. Zero userbase + significant development effort = all pain, no gain.

    The only way it would have been successful is if MSFT had made RT backwards compatible with Win7 via some sort of "Platform Update". That way I could have shifted to the new app framework and sell the same binary into my installed base of users, who are happy with Win7. MSFT already had a portable API with millions of manhours of experience, Win32. Why they didn't exploit that huge advantage is beyond me. It was a colossal design and implementation blunder and, imho, will end up killing MSFT.
    In this fast changing tech world, learning new things It's part of the job of a developer. I'm not a developer but I see the value of the new async interfaces for file access, http, etc. A non blocking UI is the essence of a touch device.

    Implementing Winrt in Windows 7 probably is too costly. Maybe they could have made Windows 8 a free upgrade, but the OS got such a bad reputation that few would have taken the offer.

    Microsoft bet everything in the success of the Surface and PCs with touchscreen. They really thought that the touch interface add a lot of value for Windows users, but sadly for them the public didn't agree.
    07-22-2014 10:27 AM
  15. Elitis's Avatar
    Uh, Nokia made up the preponderance of Windows Phone sales. Nokia IS Windows Phone. That's all on Microsoft now.
    Nokia isn't Windows Phone. And it's not all on Microsoft (Mobile) now. Nokia does have the majority of the market share of WP, but, again, they are not the only OEM. There are others, and while the majority may focus on the lower-end, there will be one or two flagship devices.
    07-23-2014 12:23 AM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    App development is a business. Developers work in an app because It's possible to make money, not because there are 4500 new APIs, that's irrelevant.
    No it's not. Think about it. New APIs mean that developers can write, and sell, NEW apps. Sales and use of apps tends to fade over time (with a few exceptions), so developers need to have something new from time to time.
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    07-23-2014 02:05 AM
  17. Great deal's Avatar
    Well im no developer and decided to teach myself C# and become a MS Dev. Why? I own 2 successful companies already and niche in my experience is exactly where the money is at.

    MS and Windows are not going anywhere and this lull in activity gives me time to get up to speed, for all the doom, gloom and hope posts out there the facts are clear to see. MS are reshaping, restructuring and 100% committed to taking the fight to the competition, yes no devices 2014, so what? 2015 is the year MS efforts will bear fruit.
    07-23-2014 05:14 AM
  18. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    I'm tired of people acting like Nokia (now Microsoft Mobile) is the only OEM for WP, especially now after all of the announcements of new devices from new manufacturers. Samsung has been rumored to be working on several new WP devices since the rumors of the ATIV SE started. HTC has been rumored to be working on bringing a WP-variant of the One. Sony has stated their interest in creating a WP device. Then we have the other new manufacturers that were announced at Build earlier this year.

    So the McLaren can suck it. We've got a good chance of at least one new flagship device this year. And there's still a chance we've see McLaren later this year. Chances are good that the 3D Touch (or whatever it was) was removed from the device, or the device simply has taken on a new name, but they're still planning on releasing it. On the other hand, if it was canceled entirely, I applaud the decision. Too many of you think like the average consumer. A major factor in Microsoft cancelling the Surface Mini was rumored to be that there was nothing to differentiate it from other small tablets. It's likely the same thinking for the cancellation of the McLaren. Why release a product that is no different from your competitor's product? And if it's different, why release it if it isn't better? There isn't a reason to.
    You might be tired of people acting like Nokia is the only OEM for WP, but your fatigue doesn't change reality. You are free to count on rumor for other companies to produce WP devices, but at this point in time they aren't. Is the bar set so low that rumors are worthy to be counted as if they are reality?
    07-23-2014 08:08 AM
  19. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    App development is a business. Developers work in an app because It's possible to make money, not because there are 4500 new APIs, that's irrelevant.
    Based on this comment I'm concluding that you aren't a software developer. Although we work on creating software because there is money to be made it isn't the only motivator. Good software requires developers who have a passion for what they're working on. It is that personal investment that drives developers to create software that is of high quality, innovative, and useful.

    New APIs means being able to do more things... or do existing things in a more efficient manner. It's exciting to see if a current product can be enhanced and expanded. The availability of these new APIs flips the switch on thinking about new opportunities. I've stopped developing for any of Microsoft's mobile platforms because they talk a good game, but fall far short in their delivery. In the memorable words of Sweet Brown, "Ain't nobody got time for dat!"

    Of course there are software mills that churn out basic, no-frills, uninspired apps. Those are the ones that aren't interested in new APIs. But those apps aren't the ones that grab customers' attention.
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    07-23-2014 08:17 AM
  20. AR2186's Avatar
    Samsung makes a boatload of money with their Android devices and if they focus on another platform it's Tizen not Windows Phone. Remember, for their last Windows Phone device (which is only available from one US carrier) it seemed like they took the outdated hardware of the Galaxy S4 and installed Windows Phone on it, while they announced the Galaxy S5.

    HTC is in troubles, they hardly will spend a lot of money to invest in a platform Nokia has almost full market share. They are just gaining back grounds with their Android devices.

    Both of them might be releasing a Windows Phone device, but it will hardly be on par with their Android flag-ships. There's just no reason for them to do that.

    The Sony device was rumored months ago, and since then opinion has rather shifted to "with a PS4, why should they support a platform that is using the Xbox name that heavily?"

    All the phones that are really announced and not just hopeful thinking or nebulous rumors are low-end devices without exception.

    But, as we know, that's where Microsoft wants to be.
    For what its worth, the ATIV SE is basically a GS5 with a smaller screen.
    07-23-2014 08:21 AM
  21. Mike Gibson's Avatar
    In this fast changing tech world, learning new things It's part of the job of a developer. I'm not a developer but I see the value of the new async interfaces for file access, http, etc. A non blocking UI is the essence of a touch device.
    Non-blocking UI != Async. My programs do all sorts of background processing using the standard Win32 multithreading model. Win32 has the most sophisticated implementation of multithreading of any OS. Instead of taking advantage of that, MSFT threw it away and implemented the goofy Async model, which intertwines threading and UI code. It's a horrible design. And not only is it a terrible design, it also has horrible performance due to Async and the FileBroker. For example, simply enumerating files is orders-of-magnitude slower in WinRT than in Win32 (Win32 is 180 times faster). You might say, "so what, WinRT is fast enough". Not true, the MSDN forums are full of baffled devs trying to figure out why simply listing all the photos on a device takes so long. Win32 could enumerate them in 15 milliseconds while RT's lovely Async **** takes three seconds. That's a real-world impact ... now add in the requirement to actually touch the data in image file (e.g. get the photo size) and things slow to an absolute, unusable crawl in WinRT.

    Implementing Winrt in Windows 7 probably is too costly. Maybe they could have made Windows 8 a free upgrade, but the OS got such a bad reputation that few would have taken the offer.
    That's why MSFT should have simply added a native scalable UI API in Win32. MSFT needs to do only what's required, not go off on some idiotic "new paradigm" that screws all the existing Windows developers. They did the same back in my day with OS/2 and after it failed they fell back to Win16 (which is the equivalent to Win32 today) and had enormous success.

    Microsoft bet everything in the success of the Surface and PCs with touchscreen. They really thought that the touch interface add a lot of value for Windows users, but sadly for them the public didn't agree.
    Actually, adding quality touchscreen support in Windows is a good idea. The problem is that it wasn't added to Win32 (which only has limited support) but only in the critically limited and poorly implemented RT effort.

    Final nail in the WinRT coffin? The fact that MSFT's own developers rejected it. Where is freaking WinRT Office??? It has been two years since the WinRT revolution and there's no WinRT Office available. The fact that the world's largest software company, with 90,000+ employees, couldn't manage to produce a sophisticated WinRT app in two years should tell you something.

    Horrible design, horrible implementation ... yet Nadella is doubling down on "Universal Apps". MSFT is going to crash and burn big time in 5-10 years.
    07-23-2014 09:35 AM
  22. rodan01's Avatar
    Based on this comment I'm concluding that you aren't a software developer. Although we work on creating software because there is money to be made it isn't the only motivator. Good software requires developers who have a passion for what they're working on. It is that personal investment that drives developers to create software that is of high quality, innovative, and useful.

    New APIs means being able to do more things... or do existing things in a more efficient manner. It's exciting to see if a current product can be enhanced and expanded. The availability of these new APIs flips the switch on thinking about new opportunities. I've stopped developing for any of Microsoft's mobile platforms because they talk a good game, but fall far short in their delivery. In the memorable words of Sweet Brown, "Ain't nobody got time for dat!"

    Of course there are software mills that churn out basic, no-frills, uninspired apps. Those are the ones that aren't interested in new APIs. But those apps aren't the ones that grab customers' attention.

    MS could add 100.000 new APIs but if a project has low roi in WP. It won't be developed.
    I don't like developers that are passionate about the new APIs, because that's not the primary objective. The primary objective is to develop great software. APIs are just tools, you learn them to improve the quality of the app. I don't want someone that is productive only when there are new APIs, and bore and unproductive when the initial excitement vanish.

    Although, there are many kind of developers, there are part time developers that have pet projects, hobbyist. For those the news of 4500 APIs could make a difference, because the economic factor is not as important in their motivation. But WP has an overpopulation of those.
    07-23-2014 10:53 AM
  23. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    MS could add 100.000 new APIs but if a project has low roi in WP. It won't be developed.
    I don't like developers that are passionate about the new APIs, because that's not the primary objective. The primary objective is to develop great software. APIs are just tools, you learn them to improve the quality of the app. I don't want someone that is productive only when there are new APIs, and bore and unproductive when the initial excitement vanish.

    Although, there are many kind of developers, there are part time developers that have pet projects, hobbyist. For those the news of 4500 APIs could make a difference, because the economic factor is not as important in their motivation. But WP has an overpopulation of those.
    If that's what you got out of what I posted... there's nothing left to say about it.
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    07-23-2014 12:04 PM
  24. Elitis's Avatar
    You might be tired of people acting like Nokia is the only OEM for WP, but your fatigue doesn't change reality. You are free to count on rumor for other companies to produce WP devices, but at this point in time they aren't. Is the bar set so low that rumors are worthy to be counted as if they are reality?
    The Samsung ATIV SE was rumored to be in production before it was announced. There are countless other phones that have been rumored to be in production or even leaked. I'm not saying every rumor will turn out to be true. I'm saying we've got a good chance to see a flagship device that isn't from Nokia. And seeing as you kind of lumped my two points into one category, rumor or not, we've still got other WP OEMs that have already produced something. HTC, Samsung, Xolo, Huawei, and a few others.
    07-23-2014 05:23 PM
  25. rodan01's Avatar
    If that's what you got out of what I posted... there's nothing left to say about it.


    I read again trying to find a hidden gem in your post. Sorry, there is not much in it.



    I don't think is a good quality if a developer get so excited and motivated by the new stuff. Of course you have to study the new stuff, but the motivation or excitement should be in delivering good software that solve the users needs. The best solution may or may not include the new APIs, but that shouldn't affect your productivity and your motivation.
    07-24-2014 02:50 PM
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