1. EliaJada's Avatar
    Am I the only one worried about Nokia's future ?
    With the cancelation of Nokia X, Asha, and S40 phones
    Along with the old Symbian Belle ones
    Nokia is now Windows Phone, which was cool with me until all the revenge news of layoffs and cancelations (mixradio sellout, Lumia 1020 end life, McLaren canceled)
    I've been a hardcore loyal fan for years now, but this is starting to make me question the future...
    07-21-2014 12:25 AM
  2. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    The layoffs were more or less clear from the beginning when MS acquired Nokia, although I am pretty sure nobody thought of such a huge number of people being fired.

    I too was rather surprised about the 1020 hitting production after just about a year of life. When taking another look at it, it doesn't seem too surprising: If one can trust the device statistics released for Windows Phone, the 1020 never has been a success in terms of sales. It's always only counted under "others" without even getting it's own little 4% or something. Just like the 808, the big Pureview Lumia was a marketing and brand awareness success in the first place. Microsoft/Nokia always made it into the press using that device, showing it off itself or by doing cool feature shots with it. MS still likes to show it off as of today yet why keep producing something which doesn't get bought?

    The McLaren cancellation also looks strange to me, on the other hand so many big companies killed of non-official or in-development projects off for a large variety of reasons. I kind of refuse to think it is really *that* bad of a sign. I agree with the fact MS should have a new, real flagship ready for the holiday season, considering the 930 just being the global variant of the Icon running 8.1 preloaded. I also agree, with all the sensor and/or gimmicks madness going on in the smartphone world later this year, that they should include some gimmicks too besides just upping the display and internals.
    07-21-2014 12:41 AM
  3. hotphil's Avatar
    "Mobile first, cloud first"*

    *But someone else's hardware. And don't expect the cloud service to be too hot either.
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    07-21-2014 12:44 AM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Moved to General Microsoft News and Discussion forum.
    07-21-2014 01:03 AM
  5. EliaJada's Avatar
    It's just that I had a Nokia N8 at first, when upgrading I was going for the Nokia 808 but then it was announced that Symbian Belle is discontinued. So I kept waiting for a while, was going to get the 920 but read some rumors about a 41 MegaPixel Windows Phone...Which payed off and I got my Lumia 1020

    But now, after the hard time of trying to accept it's end life, I was thinking maybe the 3D Touch would be a nice upgrade
    Now it's just that I don't know my future with phone it Microsoft's
    07-21-2014 10:26 AM
  6. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    But now, after the hard time of trying to accept it's end life, I was thinking maybe the 3D Touch would be a nice upgrade
    Now it's just that I don't know my future with phone it Microsoft's
    Your phone won't just stop working in October, MS will just stop producing further units and some sellers, especially carriers, will stop selling them.
    You even will continue to get further updates.
    Beijendorf likes this.
    07-21-2014 04:31 PM
  7. Maitrikkataria's Avatar
    Am I the only one worried about Nokia's future ?
    With the cancelation of Nokia X, Asha, and S40 phones
    Along with the old Symbian Belle ones
    Nokia is now Windows Phone, which was cool with me until all the revenge news of layoffs and cancelations (mixradio sellout, Lumia 1020 end life, McLaren canceled)
    I've been a hardcore loyal fan for years now, but this is starting to make me question the future...
    I think layoff's scare everyone, but just to be clear with big infrastructure of organizations, there are some visions that do not match with the next generation of decision makers. And infact, this is a sign that Microsoft is taking measures to improve everything. Microsoft is a $300+Billion dollar Enterprise and earn $2 Billion from Android, which means that the layoffs are not due to the revenue related issues, instead as a result of an initiative to remove those parts with high inertia that are taking this company down.

    Recent releases like Cortana and Adam will change everything. Yesterday Microsoft revealed its plan for a single converged operating system. I think they are trying their best to match Apple this time, because we are hearing less words and more action on the stage.

    Previously, with Steve Ballmer, I've had heard "Modern apps" quite a few times. And, I felt that words are cheap, Since there was nothing happening over the ground. I remember the time in 2007 when Ballmer laughed on the release of iPhone, and never realized that company was failing in multiple ways. He never tried to shape anything. While this time, they are continuously rolling out new technologies for app developers and end users. They are generating new partnerships with leading advertisers and IOT services providers.

    With all these, you need not to worry about its future. I am sure we all are going to see the change happening soon.
    Last edited by Maitrikkataria; 07-23-2014 at 05:15 AM.
    07-23-2014 04:59 AM
  8. assasinezio4's Avatar
    microsoft is too late for mobile..wp can't catch up ios or android with this app store.just a simple example.i can say 10 calendar apps which are every single really cool in ios or android app store.who can tell me not 10 5 calendar apps in wp store?
    07-23-2014 05:33 PM
  9. assasinezio4's Avatar
    Am I the only one worried about Nokia's future ?
    With the cancelation of Nokia X, Asha, and S40 phones
    Along with the old Symbian Belle ones
    Nokia is now Windows Phone, which was cool with me until all the revenge news of layoffs and cancelations (mixradio sellout, Lumia 1020 end life, McLaren canceled)
    I've been a hardcore loyal fan for years now, but this is starting to make me question the future...
    just start using iOS or android..both of really advanced and operational os..
    07-23-2014 05:37 PM
  10. EliaJada's Avatar
    I don't see iOS as an advanced OS
    I can't see myself using, and regret ever owning an iPhone
    Android is cool since I'm a fan of open source, however, I'm there kind of guy who uses his phone very quickly with gestures. And Android's lagging, even in the most powerful phones, just doesn't work out with me.
    Windows Phone was the smoothest OS, which is why I need to continue for my own sake.
    07-23-2014 09:11 PM
  11. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    I don't see iOS as an advanced OS
    I can't see myself using, and regret ever owning an iPhone
    Android is cool since I'm a fan of open source, however, I'm there kind of guy who uses his phone very quickly with gestures. And Android's lagging, even in the most powerful phones, just doesn't work out with me.
    Windows Phone was the smoothest OS, which is why I need to continue for my own sake.
    Have you ever really tried BB10 on one of the later versions like 10.2 or better 10.2.1? I know BlackBerry most likely won't be releasing a new full-touch flagship this year, yet the OS itself is a real pleasure to use if you like swipe gestures. It's quite fast, smooth and efficient too.
    07-23-2014 10:07 PM
  12. Pete The Penguin's Avatar
    Have you ever really tried BB10 on one of the later versions like 10.2 or better 10.2.1? I know BlackBerry most likely won't be releasing a new full-touch flagship this year, yet the OS itself is a real pleasure to use if you like swipe gestures. It's quite fast, smooth and efficient too.
    I use BB10 and WP 8.1 interchangeably and can honestly say, I like both for different reasons.
    07-23-2014 10:12 PM
  13. EliaJada's Avatar
    I've actually tried only an old blackberry phone, never tried the new ones at all.
    But isn't the phone dying slowly? like the phone's quality and the App World aren't much to look forward to?
    07-24-2014 12:02 AM
  14. mohit9206's Avatar
    Well Microsoft has not really been known for giving people what they want.They are sort of like EA in their attitude .They want people to suck up whatever they throw at us and expect to blindly purchase their products and services.There was a reason why Nokia was well respected and MS with their overconfident and arrogant attitude expect people to buy their overpriced phones when one can get better phone for much cheaper.For example Moto E over L530, Moto G over L720,Moto X/Nexus 5 over L1020/1520.
    I dont know about other countries but here their phones are more expensive than the competition while offering less features.
    So the short growth that WP got due to L520 will slowly fade away only because of MS attitude.
    Posted from my L520.
    07-24-2014 01:44 AM
  15. Taigatrommel's Avatar
    I've actually tried only an old blackberry phone, never tried the new ones at all.
    But isn't the phone dying slowly? like the phone's quality and the App World aren't much to look forward to?
    Well BlackBerry is currently refocusing on it's core market: Enterprise, they kind of just have the consumer market running besides it, without any or at least much marketing.
    Phone quality is good to very good, the Z30 is nicely built, so is the Q10. The Z10 and Q5 both offer good build quality, especially the Z10 considering the current (local!) price. However, just like the past year's WP8 flagships they aren't hardware monsters. Dual-Core SoCs running with up to 1.7GHz, although all devices minus the new Z3 are equipped with two gigs of RAM. The Z30 is the current flagship and while it "just" offers a 720p screen with 295ppi, it has great battery performance.

    App store is IMO a bit more lackluster compared to Windows Phone, however thanks to the now pretty decent feature of running Android apps and the now officially supported and included Amazon App Store you can easily have a access to a large number of additional apps.

    It's just a suggestion. Personally I've come from BB10 to Windows Phone and still use my Q10 as a secondary device. I also like both systems for various reasons. BB10 appears to be more efficient, especially in terms of multitasking, app resuming is always near instant when the app is tasked. Windows Phone is more entertaining, comes with better out-the-box functionality and can be customized much more. Plus of course in my case the 1020 offers that impressive camera bundled with great camera software.
    07-24-2014 02:00 AM
  16. houkoholic's Avatar
    Am I the only one worried about Nokia's future ?
    With the cancelation of Nokia X, Asha, and S40 phones
    Along with the old Symbian Belle ones
    Nokia is now Windows Phone, which was cool with me until all the revenge news of layoffs and cancelations (mixradio sellout, Lumia 1020 end life, McLaren canceled)
    I've been a hardcore loyal fan for years now, but this is starting to make me question the future...
    I don't see why people get scared if they would only spend a few minutes to look at the situation rationally instead of reading click-bait headlines from sites like The Verge or something.

    Nokia X was always a bad idea for Microsoft - only used as that silver bullet for Nokia to essentially blackmail MS into buying them. Canning it after the acquisition is the best thing to happen to both Nokia and MS, it's a project that is no longer needed so stop spending resources on it and dilute the attention of the teams.

    Asha and S40 has no future, even if they move a lot of units (but with little to no margins) right now. The fact that they have little profit does not justify keeping 10k employees to support it and dilute resources and attention. Again, another completely sane and rational decision.

    Mixradio sellout - spinning it off as a separate company is not necessarily a bad move. Content licensing is a tough business and in a lot of cases the demands for it directly conflicts with technology development (eg DRM, content people want it implemented, technology people don't want to work on it). As a separate company it would allow Mixradio to be more nimble and negotiate on terms which is more suitable to the content business without answering to a technology focused company that may not understand the nuisances of content business. Again, seems like a good move to me.

    1020 EOL - it doesn't sell well despite the buzz and reputation it has, so they EOL it by not making any more stock least it sits in warehouses as unwanted stock. You don't order things you don't need, not a hard concept to understand. Again, absolutely rational decision.

    McLaren - they showed it off to devs and found no one interested in the 3D touch stuff so they canned the project. Again, absolutely rational. Flip side of the coin - look at the Amazon 3D phone interface thing, nobody cares and it is not a killer feature, let it go and focus on the next thing.

    All these decision are very sound, actually makes me appreciate that they don't have their head stuck in the sand instead.
    HeyCori and BobLobIaw like this.
    07-24-2014 03:41 AM
  17. Rei Zanaliu's Avatar
    Well Microsoft has not really been known for giving people what they want.They are sort of like EA in their attitude .They want people to suck up whatever they throw at us and expect to blindly purchase their products and services.There was a reason why Nokia was well respected and MS with their overconfident and arrogant attitude expect people to buy their overpriced phones when one can get better phone for much cheaper.For example Moto E over L530, Moto G over L720,Moto X/Nexus 5 over L1020/1520.
    I dont know about other countries but here their phones are more expensive than the competition while offering less features.
    So the short growth that WP got due to L520 will slowly fade away only because of MS attitude.
    Posted from my L520.
    You dont know much about smartphones do you?
    07-24-2014 03:50 AM
  18. assasinezio4's Avatar
    wp is nothing while they don't have an app store like google play or apple app store..
    07-24-2014 08:32 AM
  19. EliaJada's Avatar
    Well BlackBerry is currently refocusing on it's core market: Enterprise, they kind of just have the consumer market running besides it, without any or at least much marketing.
    Phone quality is good to very good, the Z30 is nicely built, so is the Q10. The Z10 and Q5 both offer good build quality, especially the Z10 considering the current (local!) price. However, just like the past year's WP8 flagships they aren't hardware monsters. Dual-Core SoCs running with up to 1.7GHz, although all devices minus the new Z3 are equipped with two gigs of RAM. The Z30 is the current flagship and while it "just" offers a 720p screen with 295ppi, it has great battery performance.

    App store is IMO a bit more lackluster compared to Windows Phone, however thanks to the now pretty decent feature of running Android apps and the now officially supported and included Amazon App Store you can easily have a access to a large number of additional apps.

    It's just a suggestion. Personally I've come from BB10 to Windows Phone and still use my Q10 as a secondary device. I also like both systems for various reasons. BB10 appears to be more efficient, especially in terms of multitasking, app resuming is always near instant when the app is tasked. Windows Phone is more entertaining, comes with better out-the-box functionality and can be customized much more. Plus of course in my case the 1020 offers that impressive camera bundled with great camera software.
    Thank You, I've actually did not know Android apps were possible on Blackberry.
    I'm actually considering getting a Z10 along with my L1020.
    In the end, I'm just a fan of how smooth and fast the OS is.
    07-24-2014 10:48 AM
  20. EliaJada's Avatar
    I don't see why people get scared if they would only spend a few minutes to look at the situation rationally instead of reading click-bait headlines from sites like The Verge or something.

    Nokia X was always a bad idea for Microsoft - only used as that silver bullet for Nokia to essentially blackmail MS into buying them. Canning it after the acquisition is the best thing to happen to both Nokia and MS, it's a project that is no longer needed so stop spending resources on it and dilute the attention of the teams.

    Asha and S40 has no future, even if they move a lot of units (but with little to no margins) right now. The fact that they have little profit does not justify keeping 10k employees to support it and dilute resources and attention. Again, another completely sane and rational decision.

    Mixradio sellout - spinning it off as a separate company is not necessarily a bad move. Content licensing is a tough business and in a lot of cases the demands for it directly conflicts with technology development (eg DRM, content people want it implemented, technology people don't want to work on it). As a separate company it would allow Mixradio to be more nimble and negotiate on terms which is more suitable to the content business without answering to a technology focused company that may not understand the nuisances of content business. Again, seems like a good move to me.

    1020 EOL - it doesn't sell well despite the buzz and reputation it has, so they EOL it by not making any more stock least it sits in warehouses as unwanted stock. You don't order things you don't need, not a hard concept to understand. Again, absolutely rational decision.

    McLaren - they showed it off to devs and found no one interested in the 3D touch stuff so they canned the project. Again, absolutely rational. Flip side of the coin - look at the Amazon 3D phone interface thing, nobody cares and it is not a killer feature, let it go and focus on the next thing.

    All these decision are very sound, actually makes me appreciate that they don't have their head stuck in the sand instead.
    I basically just wanted to see something to look forward to! Currently Microsoft isn't giving information about any upcoming releases, other than non-special phones.
    Plus, I feel getting rid of the Asha and S40 and MixRadio were not theirs to get rid of
    It's like a step father sending his wife's children to military camp after they got married.
    07-24-2014 10:55 AM
  21. FeedTheShark's Avatar
    I basically just wanted to see something to look forward to! Currently Microsoft isn't giving information about any upcoming releases, other than non-special phones.
    Plus, I feel getting rid of the Asha and S40 and MixRadio were not theirs to get rid of
    It's like a step father sending his wife's children to military camp after they got married.
    Well there's always been rumours but it's not like Nokia ever confirmed what was coming next. Sure the McLaren sounded cool, but it could have been all gimmicks. It's not like people are going wild about the Amazon Fire Phone or Samsung's hands' free eye movement stuff (forget the name of it even). I still expect a sequel to the 1020, hopefully they can build in the Pelican multi-lens technology and have the next imaging revolution, but even if we just get a spec bump it'd be a tempting upgrade. I'm sure most 1020 users would love it to be a bit thinner, faster, lighter and many people put off by the girth of the 1020 would consider it. Sometimes it's not the big leaps, but the small steps that make the difference.

    Getting rid of Asha makes sense in that they can then get millions more people into Windows Phone, but without some really cheap, long lasting devices, and something with keypads I don't see people in developing markets going for a smartphone. For some people having a phone that lasts all week is way more important than checking Facebook (which they probably don't use). If they can bring out a 3" WP device with a physical keyboard and week long battery then fair enough to kill Asha and concentrate on WP, but if they don't give people that option then they are handing the market to Samsung. But yeah seems wrong to buy Nokia and then ditch so much of it.

    MixRadio, well perhaps it'll do best spun-off. It probably would have been too much work to build it into Xbox Music and this way it can be built out onto Android and iOS and have a chance to do better. At least it's not being cancelled.
    07-24-2014 11:43 AM
  22. pgg101's Avatar
    Who knows where it will go. At my employer (bank), we only have corporate issued BlackBerry 10s. Under the BYOD, iPhone is approved. Samsung Android devices are currently being tested. No WP8 on the list.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android on BlackBerry Z30
    07-24-2014 04:05 PM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    Who knows where it will go. At my employer (bank), we only have corporate issued BlackBerry 10s. Under the BYOD, iPhone is approved. Samsung Android devices are currently being tested. No WP8 on the list.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android on BlackBerry Z30
    Just bring your windows phone 8.1 and be like android, iphone ***** please, I got a windows phone, deal with it! (Puts on Sunglasses)
    07-24-2014 04:20 PM
  24. pgg101's Avatar
    Just bring your windows phone 8.1 and be like android, iphone ***** please, I got a windows phone, deal with it! (Puts on Sunglasses)
    Ha...im just grateful that we are finally upgrading our Windows XP laptops to Win7 this fall. Moving at the speed of molasses.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android on BlackBerry Z30
    07-24-2014 04:43 PM
  25. RyotoKai's Avatar
    If you look carefully into the app store deal and look up a couple sites you may find that a lot of the apps on apple are just neglected, about 80% and with that, since there are 1.2 million apps in that app store, and very few apps can be downloaded outside of it (I found at least 30 at most no jailbreak), it would be that a little more than 200,000 of those apps actually matter, and even though it is a number comparable to the amount of apps in wp store in general, it means that apple's store itself isn't truly as big as they say it is. Also, as this os improves, and more apps enter apple's store, more will slowly but surely turn away from ios to android and wp and the new guys.
    08-02-2014 04:27 PM

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