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  1. dgr_874's Avatar
    I have moved completely to Microsoft's services and routinely use Microsoft, Apple and Google hardware seamlessly. Everything seems to sync and take care of itself quite well. I foresee Microsoft really focusing on the software over the next year or two. They want to be the only people you turn to for software, regardless if you are using a windows phone, iPad, or nexus. They will make their profit off of subscription fees, not hardware sales.
    07-25-2014 11:02 PM
  2. hoovermac's Avatar
    Honestly, I don't think I can go to windows phone, at least not yet. The app situation is still rather shaky and if rather see where the platforms at in a year or two. They're getting there , though . And while I would prefer a PC for my desktop (gaming), I'm unsure if I'd get a win 8.1 laptop over a MacBook. MacBook get better reviews than pretty much any windows laptop, and I've heard some windows laptop horror stories.

    I do like Microsoft though, I like them as a company. It's just I don't think I can use their devices for phones and tablets and maybe even laptops. So that's why I wanted to still use there services , but on my iOS devices and possible MacBook and desktop PC. (Note: only things I own right now are a family PC, iPad 4, iPhone 5s, and Apple TV. ) I don't have a laptop.)

    But I didn't know how well they integrated with iOS and mac in comparison to google because google has a active incentive to make their services awesome on all platforms. Microsoft is always going to favor windows devices, no?
    Don't believe all the stories you hear about the MacBook and its apparent invincibility - I have a two year old work issued MacBook (running Win 8.1, Boot Camp, and Mountain Lion). The hard drive has been replaced and the keyboard just died on me! One of my colleagues is having display issues (hardware related, same age of MacBook). Replacing components in them, according to my electronics technician, is not easy. Mind you, I expect that is likely true of any laptop today where components are crammed into a confined outer shell. Bottom line, nothing is perfect and you (generally) get what you pay for! Just MHO!
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    07-26-2014 07:17 AM
  3. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    So right now I'm in the process of deciding wether I want to use all Microsoft services or all google services.

    So basically it's using bing, outlook.com, onedrive ,onenote , office 365, Outlook calendar/contact sync, skype

    VS

    Using google search, google drive, docs and sheets, gmail, google calendar/contacts , and hangouts.

    Or maybe I can just mix and match between them, but won't I lose functionality and them working together.

    also , do you guys think the privacy concerns with google are worth worrying about or should stop us from using and enjoying their services? I'm kinda 50/50 on it.

    I should note that I use a iphone and iPad, but I also use a PC. What do you guys think?
    This is an easy question. Each service will work better on their own platform. Compare each of the services; which one gives you the best experience [I know both service MS & Ggle are pretty good]? And yes you can use a mix of both many people do it and they are happy with that. In my case I will say I used to use both but Ggle has been scaring me every single day and don't give me all its service on my WP so, right now I am almost full MS ecosystem. I also use Dropbox, Box and so on.... And btw unlike Ggle, MS products will always be on your WP.
    07-26-2014 10:50 AM
  4. KSilcox's Avatar
    I switched all my services from google to MS about a year ago. I am liking the direction MS is taking with convergence and unification and decide it was a good time to do it. I haven't been sorry.
    07-26-2014 11:04 AM
  5. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    I do use OneDrive, IE11, WP, Outlook.com, but sometimes I also use Chrome (because of extensions) and Google Search (only on Desktop, but I'm considering to replace it as well).
    Still looking forward to global expanding of fully featured Bing.
    07-26-2014 12:42 PM
  6. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    So right now I'm in the process of deciding wether I want to use all Microsoft services or all google services.

    So basically it's using bing, outlook.com, onedrive ,onenote , office 365, Outlook calendar/contact sync, skype

    VS

    Using google search, google drive, docs and sheets, gmail, google calendar/contacts , and hangouts.

    Or maybe I can just mix and match between them, but won't I lose functionality and them working together.

    also , do you guys think the privacy concerns with google are worth worrying about or should stop us from using and enjoying their services? I'm kinda 50/50 on it.

    I should note that I use a iphone and iPad, but I also use a PC. What do you guys think?
    apple and microsoft services trump googles any day in my experience
    i use both microsoft and apple services on a daily basis
    youtube and googles search are the only google services i still(reluctantly) use
    07-26-2014 12:47 PM
  7. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Don't believe all the stories you hear about the MacBook and its apparent invincibility - I have a two year old work issued MacBook (running Win 8.1, Boot Camp, and Mountain Lion). The hard drive has been replaced and the keyboard just died on me! One of my colleagues is having display issues (hardware related, same age of MacBook). Replacing components in them, according to my electronics technician, is not easy. Mind you, I expect that is likely true of any laptop today where components are crammed into a confined outer shell. Bottom line, nothing is perfect and you (generally) get what you pay for! Just MHO!
    yeah one of my friends has issues with not just one but two macbook airs( mid 2013 13" ivy bridge and 2014 11" haswell) both have issues with the battery life which suddenly reduced to 1 hour instead of the 6-8 hours they used to give till about a month ago
    despite having warranty apple india told him to upgrade to mavericks to stop the issues(nonsensical reasoning,typical of service centres) despite him having gotten excellent battery life on the same un upgraded os
    they told him the battery cannot be replaced and to shell out 1/2 the price of each macbook to get a replacement which is a refurbished model
    07-26-2014 12:52 PM
  8. Silviu Bogusevschi's Avatar
    I don't have any issues with my MacBook.

    Oh sorry, I forgot to mention: I don't own any.
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    07-26-2014 12:55 PM
  9. smoledman's Avatar
    My service usage breakdown:

    Google - Mail, Maps, Search, Play Music, Calendar, Keep
    MS - XBox Music, Skype, OneDrive, Office Apps, XBox Live Gold
    Apple - nothing

    MS is inferior in search, maps, mail, calendar.

    Regarding Mail - if MS eliminate folders and went to Categories only while revamping the interface to make Category interaction easier as well as provide natural language input that would allow me to switch.

    Regarding Maps - POI database is just inferior, needs more investment.
    07-26-2014 02:12 PM
  10. Bobvfr's Avatar
    I had been using Google services, but was increasingly concerned about their use of data, invasion of privacy (Not that I have anything to hide), since upgrading all my tech to 8.1 and WP, I am almost exclusively using MS and like others I find the stuff just works.

    I do admit to the occasional use of Google maps on the web.


    Bob
    07-26-2014 02:59 PM
  11. RavenSword's Avatar
    The thing is I'm really only concerned with how they work on iOS or Mac. I really don't have interest in WP right now. I do use a desktop PC.
    07-27-2014 12:33 AM
  12. dgr_874's Avatar
    The thing is I'm really only concerned with how they work on iOS or Mac. I really don't have interest in WP right now. I do use a desktop PC.
    Do you have any specific questions we could help with?
    07-27-2014 10:40 AM
  13. RavenSword's Avatar
    Do you have any specific questions we could help with?
    I'm mainly just concern if there's any limitations or problems with the Microsoft services on iOS and Mac. I know google works well there, but I was concerned about MS services. Like, is there any problems with syncing outlook calendars or contacts? What can I not do with the Mac one drive app compared to the windows version? And pretty much just how do they compare overal to googles? And is googles privacy concerns even worth worrying about to the point that I shouldn't use them?
    07-27-2014 11:51 AM
  14. giulianoreali's Avatar
    Why don't you search for that information in a less biased place? If you ask at WP Central or Android Central you pretty much know what you're going to hear.

    Posted via Windows Phone Central App
    07-27-2014 02:57 PM
  15. qwertyaa's Avatar
    Use Microsoft services, except Bing. Google Search engine is far better then Bing.
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    07-27-2014 02:59 PM
  16. jdandison's Avatar
    I have a mac for dev purposes. I use office, OneDrive, etc. Obviously you'll get more OS integration with services like OneDrive with Windows (particularly 8+), but for syncing files OneDrive on mac has been fine. Apple Mail doesn't have support for Outlook.com (besides imap/pop), but it sucks anyway. Skype for Mac is ok, I don't use it much though.

    Bing is fine for me, but I'm in the US. I hear its not nearly as good elsewhere, but Bing gets me most of the way. If I'm searching for something obscure and struggle with Bing, ill head over to google, but that's infrequent.

    Windows laptops, provided you don't cheap out, are mostly ok. There are obviously outliers that suck even if you pay more for them, but Lenovo and HP make excellent devices (again, they both have some models that are garbage). MBPs have excellent build quality but still suffer some issues. My daily driver is an HP EliteBook, but I have some cheaper Asus laptops as well that are fine. A word of advice, uninstall the BS that comes preloaded, only use software you trust and your laptop will most likely be fine.
    07-27-2014 03:23 PM
  17. RavenSword's Avatar
    Is the google privacy thing really worth being concerned with though. There kinda too big if a company to get away with abusing that data if they wanted to. They'd get caught in a instant.
    07-28-2014 07:20 PM
  18. jdandison's Avatar
    Personally I've moved away from Google services, mostly just because Microsoft's services work better on their devices, which is what I prefer. I never really liked Gmail, I was never a power user with lots of labels and all that, and prefer Outlook.com and Exchange.

    That said, some of the privacy issues are troubling, but I see it as a secondary priority for me. Microsoft is a software company, Google is an ad company with software, but that software's purpose is to further the ad business. Perhaps it's naive, but I trust Microsoft with my data more so than Google. Not using my email to serve ads or mining my stored data to serve ads is important, so it makes my choice of ecosystem easier for me.
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    07-28-2014 08:58 PM
  19. RavenSword's Avatar
    Personally I've moved away from Google services, mostly just because Microsoft's services work better on their devices, which is what I prefer. I never really liked Gmail, I was never a power user with lots of labels and all that, and prefer Outlook.com and Exchange.

    That said, some of the privacy issues are troubling, but I see it as a secondary priority for me. Microsoft is a software company, Google is an ad company with software, but that software's purpose is to further the ad business. Perhaps it's naive, but I trust Microsoft with my data more so than Google. Not using my email to serve ads or mining my stored data to serve ads is important, so it makes my choice of ecosystem easier for me.
    Yeah, I can see that. But I wonder how big of a deal it is if the data is anonymous and it leads to better ads. I think I'd rather have relevant ads than just random ones that serve me no purpose. Of course JD rather have no ads to begin with, but it is what it is. And to be fair we can opt out of email ads in googles settings, as far as I know.

    My particular situation is different though because, outside of a possible PC for gaming one day, I'm pretty invested in apple hardware, what with my iPhone, iPad, and apple TV. And I'd maybe like a macbook one day to go with them. And right now I do use a family PC, but I don't use it daily because, well, its not very fast and recent. And I do most my computing on my phone anyway.

    And I know that this bored may or may not be the best to ask what's going to be better on apple hardware, ha ha. But I really just wanted to make sure that if I did want to use Microsoft services that I wouldn't be forced into buying a WP, Surface, or PC if I didn't want to. So I want stuff that's going to be platform agnostic mostly.
    07-28-2014 09:55 PM
  20. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    And I know that this bored may or may not be the best to ask what's going to be better on apple hardware, ha ha. But I really just wanted to make sure that if I did want to use Microsoft services that I wouldn't be forced into buying a WP, Surface, or PC if I didn't want to. So I want stuff that's going to be platform agnostic mostly.
    From what I have experienced myself and from helping friends with their technology stuff, you will have a good integration experience with either MS or Google services on Apple products. Both integrate with Apple products as well as can be expected for services that are not first party and built in to the OS. If I were you though, I would go with MS over Google for a few reasons...

    1) I agree with you that it's important that services be as platform agnostic as possible. Google and MS services are both fairly platform agnostic. However, in recent years MS is working to make their services as open as possible (so much so that many MS fans have been upset by it) while Google has been doing the opposite in many cases. For example, dropping support for third party integration with Google Voice, refusing to make apps for WP/Windows 8, dropping support for EAS protocols for Gmail, breaking (intentionally) Google Maps and Search for WP. If I were a user of Google services, those trends would worry me a bit.

    2) It doesn't sound like you have any plans to own Google devices, but you do use a Windows PC at least sometimes. MS services are obviously going to work better and require less effort on Windows devices. Even if it's only that one device. If you are planning to get some Android devices then the scales might tip towards Google.

    3) I get the impression that you are young and living at home (sorry if I misunderstood). In the business world, Windows and Office are pretty much the de facto standard and that isn't going to change any time soon for a number of reasons. I'm not sure what your plans are in the future, but there are a lot of careers that require knowledge and use of MS products. If you end up in one of those careers, MS services will integrate with MS products much better than Google services will. Knowledge of MS products/services is something that you can put on a resume. Google and Apple, not so much.

    Best of luck.
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    07-28-2014 10:36 PM
  21. RavenSword's Avatar
    From what I have experienced myself and from helping friends with their technology stuff, you will have a good integration experience with either MS or Google services on Apple products. Both integrate with Apple products as well as can be expected for services that are not first party and built in to the OS. If I were you though, I would go with MS over Google for a few reasons...

    1) I agree with you that it's important that services be as platform agnostic as possible. Google and MS services are both fairly platform agnostic. However, in recent years MS is working to make their services as open as possible (so much so that many MS fans have been upset by it) while Google has been doing the opposite in many cases. For example, dropping support for third party integration with Google Voice, refusing to make apps for WP/Windows 8, dropping support for EAS protocols for Gmail, breaking (intentionally) Google Maps and Search for WP. If I were a user of Google services, those trends would worry me a bit.

    2) It doesn't sound like you have any plans to own Google devices, but you do use a Windows PC at least sometimes. MS services are obviously going to work better and require less effort on Windows devices. Even if it's only that one device. If you are planning to get some Android devices then the scales might tip towards Google.

    3) I get the impression that you are young and living at home (sorry if I misunderstood). In the business world, Windows and Office are pretty much the de facto standard and that isn't going to change any time soon for a number of reasons. I'm not sure what your plans are in the future, but there are a lot of careers that require knowledge and use of MS products. If you end up in one of those careers, MS services will integrate with MS products much better than Google services will. Knowledge of MS products/services is something that you can put on a resume. Google and Apple, not so much.

    Best of luck.
    Well, I do own a nexus 7. Its OK.

    The thing I do like about google services is that while a lot of people do worry about google invading privacy and stuff, a lot of its pretty useful. When I had a android phone, I found google now pretty amazing. And I still find chrome, google search, and maybe even gmail to be the best in their area. Although I do like outlooks, well, look. Ha ha. But I don't know many people with one. Everyone I know uses gmail. And I do like google docs in some ways. Offering a office suite as a part of your storage solution, and doing so free of charge is rather cool. Of course some argue that your paying with your data, which is true. And now office has something similar with one drive.

    The thing with Microsoft services is I do like their UIs more than googles. And I like how one drive actually organizing things in folders. And I do have 118gbs of it till March due to a bing rewards offer.

    I also like how simple onenote is compared to every note. I honestly just want a app that does quick notes well. Evernote seems way to power user-ey for me.

    Outlook, like I said, is very good looking UI wise. It's clean and simple. Gmail is ok in this regard, but it's slot more cluttered in comparison. But then again I don't know how often ill access the web versions of these, so UI doesn't matter to much I guess.

    I guess I thought that, since Microsoft has a long, rather bitter rivalry with apple, that there services would be compromised in some way on apple hardware. But maybe I have my head stuck in the 80s and 90s.
    07-29-2014 12:09 AM
  22. jdandison's Avatar
    Microsoft's committed to their services being on as many platforms as possible, so I wouldn't worry about their services not being on Mac/Android/iOS. I think between web apps + client software, you'll see the Microsoft experience get parity on each platform. They can't survive on Windows licenses forever, they've recognized that and have started to adapt.
    07-29-2014 04:49 PM
  23. smoledman's Avatar
    For me there are a bunch of little thing that add up to big differences in the services.

    Search - Google has flat out better and more relevant results and better local results. Also more "hero" results for things like restaurants, movie listings.

    Maps - Google has multiple route selections, better POI database, ability to create waypoints.

    Youtube - unique. The only game in town.

    Mail - I like Gmail's labels-only approach. Exposing folders is 1st gen technology, the ability to multi-tag en email is the way to go. I know Outlook.com has tagging in the form "Categories" but still preserves folders which I don't like after years of getting used to Gmail's labels-only.

    Calendar - I like that Google calendar has a "quick entry" that allows me to use natural language text to create a new item. Also the calendar is searchable which Outlook Calendar isn't.

    Now consider that all of these experiences are best in native form which means Android.
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    08-02-2014 02:02 AM
  24. anon5997296's Avatar
    Except for search and YouTube, I use all Microsoft services.



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    08-02-2014 02:27 AM
  25. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    I'm willing to concede that bar Microsoft's enterprise-focused offerings, Google trashes Microsoft.

    But I use Microsoft services because they actually work with my phone.
    08-02-2014 02:45 AM
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