07-31-2014 08:02 PM
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  1. z33dev33l's Avatar
    ​A few weeks back, as I'm sure many of our patrons know, rumors started that Microsoft might allow Android apps to run in a virtual machine on Windows Phone. Some people were relieved at this news as it would offer some degree of closure on the ever-present app gap. I on the other hand, was distraught to say the least. I saw it as the same mistake Blackberry had made. Sure, they had a plethora of apps, not many of which was optimized for their smartphone. I mean, why build an app for 1 percent of the market (Or in this case 3-4%) when you could build it and have it run on over 70 percent of the market? Seems like a menial task at best. In a fit of annoyance, I left Windows Phone. I traded in my Nokia Lumia 1520 for an HTC One M8, the highest rated smart phone on our sister site and in terms of overall user reviews. I mean, that many smartphone geeks can't be wrong, right? So wrong. So very, very wrong.

    I got the M8 and immediately after my initial set up learned that there was no possible way to send/receive MMS if I use the phone on anything that's not ATT without root... Well, that's a disappointment but there's several messaging services and all that jazz. Not a total deal breaker. My next issue came when Iwould try to type up lengthy statements. Hell, sometimes even in short sentences the auto-correct would absolutely butcher it. I tried the stock keyboard, swiftkey and flesky and was met with nothing but absolute displeasure. No phone, when I type the word 'Good' I don't mean gips. Maybe if I correct it a few times and am very careful not to touch I or P it will register it correctly? Nope! Still sucks.

    Now, in terms of the app gap, I have to say that there is one. Android is severely lacking in quality apps. Windows Phone blows it away in that regard. Just try to find a decent full photo editing suite that doesn't break on Android like you can on Windows Phone with Fantasia Painter. No luck? Me either. There's a few big names that will allow you to throw a filter on or a bunch of individualistic apps that will let you handle individual features but not one that I found will allow you to do all you can in there. I searched Android Central and even asked. No one had any suggestions. The same could be said for video editors, navigation, word processing apps and several other choices. Not to mention that any time I tried to connect my hotmail app it simply didn't work citing a bad password. There are a few games that I would absolutely love to see on my Windows Phone but outside of those. I'd say we're pretty heavily in the lead in terms of apps worth downloading.

    Oh, speaking of photo editing apps, they would've been mostly fruitless considering my Samsung Blackjack in 2006 could go toe to toe with the M8 in terms of camera performance. I'm a long time phone geek when it comes to cameras and how this passed through the first stage of testing is an absolute anomaly. I mean, perhaps I've been spoilt by the Lumia series and their phenomenal cameras but I've used most other high end phones and this thing is absolutely laughable. I have a three year old and last I checked, he didn't look like a cop show where they're trying to blur out someone's face on a day to day basis. It is awful.

    Now, I know this sounds like a lot of complaining. I mean, it is. I felt like I was settling in nearly every aspect. The device has little outside of shortcomings but the few things it does well, I'd like to see improved on my end of the pool. The first point I liked was the display. I know it's not the best but the colors were vibrant and accurate and the auto-brightness setting absolutely destroyed my 1520s. I think the auto brightness being resolved might pretty well knock all that out though. Outside of that, while my 1520 is louder (Shockingly) the M8 does have better sound reproduction. It's very clear to a staggering extent.

    There's also a ton of little gripes I had like no music control when hitting the volume button, no sort of glance screen without a special and incredibly cheap feeling case and awful button placement.

    In terms of the UI itself, it still looks pretty ugly in comparison and even with their whole special glance feed or whatever it is, it's just left more cluttered as, if you have more than 15 people on Facebook you're going to be constantly informed of crap you don't care about.

    Ultimately, as of Friday, this M8 is gone for good and to that I say good riddance. I truly can't wait to be back in the loving arms of a Nokia Lumia 1520 with wireless charging, a 128 gig SD card and most importantly, Windows Phone 8.1.

    I won't be making that mistake again. I don't have to settle for less.
    Last edited by z33dev33l; 07-29-2014 at 04:48 PM.
    07-29-2014 04:33 PM
  2. d3ad connection's Avatar
    Just curious, but why did you give up your phone based on rumors? Not even a confirmation of any Android on WP, just rumors?
    waeras likes this.
    07-29-2014 04:36 PM
  3. z33dev33l's Avatar
    The trade was about $120 in my favor, Microsoft had offered no denial of the rumors and Windows Phones depreciate in value rapidly.
    07-29-2014 04:38 PM
  4. metalchick719's Avatar
    Glad you were able to figure out that Windows Phone is the OS for you sooner rather than later.
    snowmutt likes this.
    07-29-2014 04:40 PM
  5. David P2's Avatar
    Your keyboard woes are the exact reason I will never go back to Android.
    snowmutt and Nicholas Maguire like this.
    07-29-2014 04:41 PM
  6. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Ultimately, the trade works in my favor quite a bit. I traded a 1520 with a screen that had developed an issue where it turned light green in two small areas for this M8 and now I'm trading this M8 for a like new 1520 with wireless charging sleeve, wireless charger and a 128 gig memory card.
    aximtreo and Cryio like this.
    07-29-2014 04:44 PM
  7. Coreldan's Avatar
    Well, this is nice to read sort of. I was VERY close to go with an Xperia Z2 instead of a 930. The only thing that made me go with the 930 was that I had already ordered it online before I came up with the Z2 plan. I had already planned to just return the packaging without even opening it and get the Z2. Well, when the package was just waiting there on the table, I thought maybe I'll just keep the 930, after all it's likely one of the last Nokia-branded phones designed in my city, not to mention that just about everything about it was perfect for me.
    07-29-2014 04:51 PM
  8. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Well, this is nice to read sort of. I was VERY close to go with an Xperia Z2 instead of a 930. The only thing that made me go with the 930 was that I had already ordered it online before I came up with the Z2 plan. I had already planned to just return the packaging without even opening it and get the Z2. Well, when the package was just waiting there on the table, I thought maybe I'll just keep the 930, after all it's likely one of the last Nokia-branded phones designed in my city, not to mention that just about everything about it was perfect for me.
    The phone is a thing of beauty. I won't get one strictly because the Glance screen has become a big deal to me but I love the phone as a whole.
    07-29-2014 04:53 PM
  9. HeyCori's Avatar
    I understand where the OP is coming from. I was helping someone with her Android phone (I think it was the Razr M) and it just wasn't pleasant to use. Shifting through rows of icons felt maddening. The settings menu looked disorganized. And who wants to dig into a menu to "force stop" an app? WP seems to handle that way better.
    snowmutt likes this.
    07-30-2014 04:59 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    I understand where the OP is coming from. I was helping someone with her Android phone (I think it was the Razr M) and it just wasn't pleasant to use. Shifting through rows of icons felt maddening. The settings menu looked disorganized. And who wants to dig into a menu to "force stop" an app? WP seems to handle that way better.
    You prefer WP and you say Android's Settings menu is disorganized?

    And why "force stop" an app? Is it WP's necessary micromanaging habit coming through? That's not necessary on Android.
    07-30-2014 05:14 PM
  11. David P2's Avatar
    You prefer WP and you say Android's Settings menu is disorganized?

    And why "force stop" an app? Is it WP's necessary micromanaging habit coming through? That's not necessary on Android.
    How else would you stop an app that's misbehaving or refusing to quit? Happens on all platforms. That was happening on Android long before WP came into the picture.
    07-30-2014 05:16 PM
  12. tgp's Avatar
    How else would you stop an app that's misbehaving or refusing to quit? Happens on all platforms. That was happening on Android long before WP came into the picture.
    It did happen on Android, but seldom on recent iterations. And ironically, that type of thing didn't used to happen much on WP, but lately it's been happening a lot more. The 2 OS's are switching places as far as bugs.
    07-30-2014 05:26 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I've come to realize this site's comprised of 50% sadists and 50% masochists. The sadists love baiting the masochists into the constant stream of Android vs. WP flame wars and right on cue, the masochists swallow the hook. How about we just enjoy whatever device we own and save our energy toward the Monsantos of the world. Cancer, Autism and HIV are some worthy causes that could also use a kick in the rump.
    HeyCori, tgp, MarCou and 4 others like this.
    07-30-2014 05:47 PM
  14. HeyCori's Avatar
    You prefer WP and you say Android's Settings menu is disorganized?

    And why "force stop" an app? Is it WP's necessary micromanaging habit coming through? That's not necessary on Android.
    WP is annoying because it's not in alphabetical order. Android felt more like a chore.

    The app froze up and wouldn't let us do anything until I used force stop.
    07-30-2014 05:51 PM
  15. z33dev33l's Avatar
    What app has trouble closing on Windows Phone? I've not had that issue. In the same ilk though, I've had that issue with this awful M8 with the snapchat client, Fantasica and Astro File Manager as well as HTC's own Zoe.
    07-30-2014 05:56 PM
  16. jleebiker's Avatar
    Go forth and sin no more. ;-)
    07-30-2014 06:43 PM
  17. Visa Declined's Avatar

    Now, in terms of the app gap, I have to say that there is one. Android is severely lacking in quality apps. Windows Phone blows it away in that regard. Just try to find a decent full photo editing suite that doesn't break on Android like you can on Windows Phone with Fantasia Painter. No luck? Me either. There's a few big names that will allow you to throw a filter on or a bunch of individualistic apps that will let you handle individual features but not one that I found will allow you to do all you can in there. I searched Android Central and even asked. No one had any suggestions. The same could be said for video editors, navigation, word processing apps and several other choices. Not to mention that any time I tried to connect my hotmail app it simply didn't work citing a bad password. There are a few games that I would absolutely love to see on my Windows Phone but outside of those. I'd say we're pretty heavily in the lead in terms of apps worth downloading.
    Unfortunately, none of this is true. The Google Play store is heaps better than the Windows Phone store. Apps that are on both platforms are usually better on Android, and have more features. There has been so many times that I've tried to find an app or a game that I play on my Android devices to put on my 920, but all I find is a "guide", or some other knock-off crap. Even Microsoft apps are better on Android. I could write a huge list of awesome games and apps that aren't on Windows Phone if you want, but I really don't think it's necessary. The Windows Phone store is getting better every day, and I think things are moving pretty fast for the platform right now. Still, there's a long way to go as far as apps are concerned.
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    07-31-2014 02:42 AM
  18. smoledman's Avatar
    Google Play has 1 million apps and growing by leaps and bounds every day. Devs put Android as #2 in priority after iOS which automatically means WP is #3 in priority if they're even working on a WP app...
    07-31-2014 02:46 AM
  19. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Google Play has 1 million apps and growing by leaps and bounds every day. Devs put Android as #2 in priority after iOS which automatically means WP is #3 in priority if they're even working on a WP app...
    Yeah, I'm aware but Android's dev tools are also awful and while they may get most of the great games, the apps outside of games are often times pretty underwhelming.
    07-31-2014 08:57 AM
  20. tgp's Avatar
    ​Now, in terms of the app gap, I have to say that there is one. Android is severely lacking in quality apps. Windows Phone blows it away in that regard.
    This right here says something about your attitude. No matter what Android does, you will not like it.
    07-31-2014 10:05 AM
  21. 3earnhardt3's Avatar
    Can't believe you went to android because WP was possibly getting...android apps, lol. I feel like if WP ever gets android apps it will be similar to Kindle Store, with a much smaller selection, and hopefully MS will have some Quality Control Measures built-in. As long the VM that runs android can be turned off in some way if you don't need it, I don't mind giving consumers options. With that said, I will likely NEVER run android apps on my WP.
    07-31-2014 10:19 AM
  22. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I have to say that my experience is the exact opposite to this. The M8 is the best phone I have ever used and I find Android apps generally very good. Did I buy the M8? Of course not. I have other much more interesting things in my life to spend that much money on than a phone. I got the Moto G instead, which is 90% as good for 30% of the price.

    Anyway enjoy your next phone. Btw, does anyone else wonder what happens to all these phones that are returned? How much extra does it cost someone who never returns products to support this practice?
    07-31-2014 03:29 PM
  23. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Android is severely lacking in quality apps. Windows Phone blows it away in that regard.for less.
    Dude...
    07-31-2014 03:50 PM
  24. aikidaves's Avatar
    Btw, does anyone else wonder what happens to all these phones that are returned? How much extra does it cost someone who never returns products to support this practice?
    Returned phones are almost always refurbished and used as warranty replacements or offered for sale at lower prices than new phones. There's a net cost to the carrier or dealer that probably goes against cost of sales, but they're not likely to disclose a hard number to customers, nor are they likely to tell us how they factor it into their retail prices.
    07-31-2014 04:06 PM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Returned phones are almost always refurbished and used as warranty replacements or offered for sale at lower prices than new phones. There's a net cost to the carrier or dealer that probably goes against cost of sales, but they're not likely to disclose a hard number to customers, nor are they likely to tell us how they factor it into their retail prices.
    That's a pity, as I'd like to opt out of paying for this service.
    07-31-2014 04:17 PM
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