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  1. Kartik 10's Avatar
    I think apart from the apps what we need is a brand formation like Apple. Lumia should be instantly recognised. Live tiles should never be thrown in favour of more android-eshqiue experience.
    12-09-2015 06:42 AM
  2. lvalen91's Avatar
    The original Metro UI was beautiful. How "Pivot" apps flowed throughout the display in a panoramic style was great. Then apps started coming out with the same UI as Android and iOS took away from the unique experience.

    I think that needs to come back. A nice modern simplistic approach and not making everything look like the other platforms. Yes apps are needed, but everything looking exactly the same would keep people away.
    Nick Vis likes this.
    01-17-2016 07:28 PM
  3. Wurstsalat's Avatar
    modern ui is thrown away...should come back
    many new modells in any pricerange
    support from all Microsoft divisions (first the own Plattform, then others)
    more modells sold by providers
    01-29-2016 02:47 PM
  4. Bai's Avatar
    I said it since day one when I got my 800, take adv of the 90% desktop laptop market and let the PC take control of WP when connect. Still stand by it today.

    Merge office lens into people, what good it do if I can't link a business to a contact?
    01-29-2016 02:57 PM
  5. big dooze's Avatar
    Carrier support! What do you expect when only 1 carrier is selling the newest devices, and the unlocked phones aren't a guarantee to work on anyone besides AT&T.
    aximtreo likes this.
    01-30-2016 08:43 AM
  6. Delta Concepts's Avatar
    For my use the only thing missing is the variety of apps Android and iOs have, besides that WP/W10M have everything that I need.
    02-17-2016 09:42 AM
  7. amboRella's Avatar
    The ability to set a custom reminder in calendar would be great. Often I find my self wanting a different time frame for the reminder than the presets.
    02-17-2016 10:05 AM
  8. anjanmukherjee01's Avatar
    As we are aware that the sale of the phone division is in decline exponentially. Hence, what should be the marketing ideas that Microsoft should follow to boost the sale of their phones to the next level.?
    Eg. what i think is more better hardware in lower price. As other OS better hardware phones are avail at the lower price.
    What you think to all the user of Windows Central.?
    05-17-2016 03:29 PM
  9. Mad Cabbie's Avatar
    IMHO, MSFT have probably done the best thing to give Win10Mobile, the best chance. By withdrawing and reevaluating their position, has given time to breathe. The past few years have been tempestuous for MSFT. Why they decided to go 'mental' and try to compete in the market place with the big guns, is anyone's guess. The acquisition of Nokia was a very expensive marriage doomed to divorce, as it proved to be, apart from a couple of notable children in the 930 and 1520.

    If you went instore to choose a new mobile device, you would give up looking at Windows devices, and head straight for the Samsung / Apple display. There were so many devices, all vying for the same segment, including some models, for example, the 635. 512mb or 1gig, 4G or 3G...and so on.
    It's no surprise things went south rapidly. Then you add in carriers falling out with MSFT and you have a recipe for disaster.

    They have now stripped the range down to four devices, and this has left room for a couple of OEMs to test the water. Would HP spend a shed load of R&D for an enterprise device if they didn't see some potential returns?
    The biggest bug bear for the loyal Window-ists is the non support of models to get Win10M. Tech moves so fast these days and to carry on supporting older devices, isn't economically viable, especially when the insider program users say the experience isn't good.* You also have those that won't be supported past TH2, again they may struggle on Redstone builds. No one likes it, I've got an old 1320 that runs 10586.xxx no worries but I can only go so far with it. Shame, as it's a great device. Things had to change, and as a business owner myself, I would have done the same. Hell, most Android OEM's drop support for devices if it rains twice in a year! That half the reason XDA is such a popular stopping point for ditched Android users. Alas, we don't really have that luxury these days.

    So, by taking a step back, and a lot of head scratching, things may be different. Unfortunately, Windows Phone is a poisoned chalice, and by converging everything under the Windows 10 banner, they may have a chance. Not so much in the consumer market, but the enterprise market.

    Who knows, with the Vietnam manufacturing plant being included, in the Foxconn sale, Mobile and Surface coming together etc, maybe these toe dipping OEMs could be responsible for the consumer orientated devices, and Surface responsible for the Flagship devices. After all, Surface has been a huge hit and introduced the world to 'proper' mobile working, and a whole new genre!
    05-18-2016 03:14 PM
  10. WellingtonW's Avatar
    I think this thread is about two years too late.


    1) Windows 10 is too buggy for consumers. They will not do the resets we have to do to get phones working.
    2) MS abandoned the low end market. This was their biggest market share. It disappeared overnight when they did this.
    3) The Windopws APP store on mopbile is a horrible mess
    4) Because of 1,2 and 3 you won't attract developers to Windows Phone anymore.

    What could they do.

    Reinvent Windows phone as a secure mobile that gets updates for business and people worried about security.

    But this won't happen because they need market share to achieve this, and they've destroyed that.
    05-19-2016 04:39 AM
  11. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I think this thread is about two years too late.


    1) Windows 10 is too buggy for consumers. They will not do the resets we have to do to get phones working.
    2) MS abandoned the low end market. This was their biggest market share. It disappeared overnight when they did this.
    3) The Windopws APP store on mopbile is a horrible mess
    4) Because of 1,2 and 3 you won't attract developers to Windows Phone anymore.

    What could they do.

    Reinvent Windows phone as a secure mobile that gets updates for business and people worried about security.

    But this won't happen because they need market share to achieve this, and they've destroyed that.
    Market can be created where none existed before. From several articles, it looks like the goal is not to produce phones but something new that can both function as a phone and something else
    Guytronic likes this.
    05-24-2016 07:15 AM
  12. aximtreo's Avatar
    IMHO, MSFT have probably done the best thing to give Win10Mobile, the best chance. By withdrawing and reevaluating their position, has given time to breathe. The past few years have been tempestuous for MSFT. Why they decided to go 'mental' and try to compete in the market place with the big guns, is anyone's guess. The acquisition of Nokia was a very expensive marriage doomed to divorce, as it proved to be, apart from a couple of notable children in the 930 and 1520.

    If you went instore to choose a new mobile device, you would give up looking at Windows devices, and head straight for the Samsung / Apple display. There were so many devices, all vying for the same segment, including some models, for example, the 635. 512mb or 1gig, 4G or 3G...and so on.
    It's no surprise things went south rapidly. Then you add in carriers falling out with MSFT and you have a recipe for disaster.

    They have now stripped the range down to four devices, and this has left room for a couple of OEMs to test the water. Would HP spend a shed load of R&D for an enterprise device if they didn't see some potential returns?
    The biggest bug bear for the loyal Window-ists is the non support of models to get Win10M. Tech moves so fast these days and to carry on supporting older devices, isn't economically viable, especially when the insider program users say the experience isn't good.* You also have those that won't be supported past TH2, again they may struggle on Redstone builds. No one likes it, I've got an old 1320 that runs 10586.xxx no worries but I can only go so far with it. Shame, as it's a great device. Things had to change, and as a business owner myself, I would have done the same. Hell, most Android OEM's drop support for devices if it rains twice in a year! That half the reason XDA is such a popular stopping point for ditched Android users. Alas, we don't really have that luxury these days.

    So, by taking a step back, and a lot of head scratching, things may be different. Unfortunately, Windows Phone is a poisoned chalice, and by converging everything under the Windows 10 banner, they may have a chance. Not so much in the consumer market, but the enterprise market.

    Who knows, with the Vietnam manufacturing plant being included, in the Foxconn sale, Mobile and Surface coming together etc, maybe these toe dipping OEMs could be responsible for the consumer orientated devices, and Surface responsible for the Flagship devices. After all, Surface has been a huge hit and introduced the world to 'proper' mobile working, and a whole new genre!
    This is the best collection of common sense I have read about MS/Windows phone. Well said sir. Thanks.
    Guytronic and Laura Knotek like this.
    05-24-2016 10:05 AM
  13. Guytronic's Avatar
    I think this thread is about two years too late.
    Well this thread was started July 2014 :0
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    05-24-2016 10:20 AM
  14. WellingtonW's Avatar
    Market can be created where none existed before. From several articles, it looks like the goal is not to produce phones but something new that can both function as a phone and something else
    Thats been tried and failed so many times before.
    05-24-2016 03:42 PM
  15. WellingtonW's Avatar
    Well this thread was started July 2014 :0
    It was two years too late in 2014. :)
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    05-24-2016 03:42 PM
  16. humzahyaz's Avatar
    I have been using my Lumia 950 for over 6 months now. I was easily the first person in Pakistan to get my hands on it.

    I was recently prompted by Microsoft to rate my device and that opened up a box of emotions. Obviously I love my Lumia 950 and I am not sure what phone I would be using if this was not available. I was using a Nokia Lumia 620 until October 2014 before a new employer imposed a Samsung Galaxy, Android phone on me. What a miserable year! I remember I couldn't sleep before the release of Lumia 950. I am generally quite stoic and had never waited for a device with this much excitement and anticipation. I absolutely love this phone. Even though it stops functioning on a few occasions and has a few glitches, for example, Hey Cortana feature never works, connectivity with band is horrendous. Only 10% of my voice commands through band are recognized. Nonetheless, the OS has so much potential, much greater than iOS and android. The windows phone platform always comes out with such nifty features, some of which are inevitably copied by competitors (like live images, quiet hours, cursor on the keyboard, live tiles, Rich Capture, Windows Hello).

    However, I can't help but feel that the dismal numbers for windows phones is only down to Microsoft. This realisation has developed over a period of time and is not an epiphany. Some notable points to back my contention:

    1. No proper phone release strategy - a flagship, followed by a year of tons of low end, budget phones, cancellation of Nokia McLaren leading to a long wait for flagships to a sudden cessation of Lumia range;

    2. Least focus on the windows phone ecosystem as compared to the platform of competitors - not only there are more Microsoft apps on iOS and android but they work so much better than on windows 10 mobile. Their functionality and speed of getting things done are leaps and bounds ahead of windows mobile platform. Does it make any sense?! No! At times I feel microsoft deliberately wants to fail windows phone. Google's focus is primarily android as any reasonable entity would keep their own software as preference as opposed to their competitors. I understand that they are a software company that is device agnostic but then don't release your own ecosystem if you are not going to give it the preference that you as its developer needs to give;

    3. Release of beta apps on iOS instead of windows - case in point, Gigjam. I have no qualms that Microsoft releases apps on competitors platform but at least windows phones should have those apps on their platform with maximum functionality. How can it encourage developers to develop apps when it itself doesn't develop apps or have a greater degree of functionality for their own platform. Other cases in point - Skype, Outlook;

    4. Unnecessary generosity - Microsoft has approx 35-45 apps for Google's platform whereas Google has zero for windows phone. Whilst I understand that Microsoft is a software company first, it leaves no incentive for users on other platforms to move to windows phone platform. Case in point - Cortana. Its by far the best personal assistant, something that would be alluring for people to shift their OS, particularly with the added benefit of syncing with your PC. What does microsoft do, it makes Cortana available on all platforms leaving no incentive for people to pick windows 10 mobile.

    Everything that Microsoft does vis--vis its mobile platform is against economics 101 and incredibly frustrating to it's loyal, avid user base. Now they are scaling back from countries where Lumia phones were selling relatively well (Brazil, India, Pakistan), and is stopping production of Lumia altogether which until recently was somewhat popular, considering Microsoft's multiple policy changes, with an almost 4% worldwide share. Its no surprise that there is a huge windows phone cult and that's down to the platform being so much better and having so much more potential. Microsoft has to change it's policy but I feel that it is taking steps in the wrong direction. Most people don't make informed decisions when buying a phone. They primarily rely on perceptions in the market. Nor are many aware of what their devices are capable of. Most only use a handful of apps which are available on Windows 10 mobile, so the app gap is not a relevant argument. Most don't even care which OS they are on so long as they can Facebook and WhatsApp.

    What it needs is aggressive marketing of its devices. I have travelled considerably in the past year and am an aggressive advocate/ambassador of windows phones. What's depressing is that most people across the globe are unaware of windows phones. Most people are blown away by the features of the phone and yet there is hardly any marketing. I didn't even come across a single billboard across Pakistan, France, Italy, Dubai and oman (places i have visited since the release of phone). Compare this with Huawei or Oppo phones which are your run-of-the-mill android phones and you have your answer. Instead, despite making a fantastic phone in the shape of Lumia 650, the phone is hardly even available in Pakistan.

    I really hope that Microsoft DOESN'T stop producing Lumia phones, and doesn't solely focus on enterprises leaving a significant fan base high and dry. I liked the policy of Nadella of November where he mentioned that Microsoft would be releasing three categories of phones; flagship, enterprise and budget. I think they should stick to that policy and market the hell out of their fantastic phones.

    Humzah Yazdani, using Lumia 950
    Last edited by humzahyaz; 06-23-2016 at 03:49 AM. Reason: Changed the title of the article to better reflect the content of the post.
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    06-22-2016 02:54 PM
  17. dustkicka's Avatar
    Well said bro. As a developer I can tell you developing for the windows mobile platform is such a pleasant experience I'm not sure what's Microsoft deal man. I am the only guy in the office with a lumia. All the android and ios users look at me funny but how can I leave such a great OS. is Microsoft not proud of its phones?
    06-22-2016 04:25 PM
  18. humzahyaz's Avatar
    That question keeps me up all night. I don't understand. If you are platform agnostic, stop developing your own OS if you will not aggressively push for it. Forget aggressively pushing for it, they themselves undermine the platform.
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    06-23-2016 12:43 AM
  19. Pete's Avatar
    You do raise some good points here, but you've turned them into negatives.

    Firstly, the strategy of releasing many cheap/mid-range phones was Nokia's, not Microsoft's. When Microsoft took over, there was a few more handsets already in the pipeline and it didn't make sense not to continue with those. In terms of flagship devices, it's always been a strategy to make these of a "above and beyond" device that will last for years (my Lumia 1520 lasted for two years and still runs Windows 10 Mobile very well). The 950 and 950XL are also made to last a couple of years or more.

    The "flood the market" strategy of Nokia's didn't work - it didn't do anything to significantly affect the market share. Microsoft has quite rightly reigned that in.

    The main reason why there's not a great market share is historical. Microsoft took time in developing Windows Phone 7 while Apple and Android were already establishing themselves. Microsoft clearly missed the boat on that one; back then, in the last days of feature phones, it couldn't foresee how popular and endemic smartphones would become. Microsoft was also in a bad mind-set back then, being mainly a business-to-business enterprise.

    Things are better now, but there's no way that market share will increase, the two boats are ahead, and no amount of swimming will catch up with them.

    Since the start, Windows Phone has been the enthusiast's choice - the phone for people who don't want to follow the crowd, and for people who just want to do stuff (stuff that isn't snapchat).

    Microsoft tried marketing, it didn't really get anywhere. Marketing is expensive and the cost of it doesn't really pay for itself in terms of sales or revenue.

    It's been said many times that Microsoft is a Software and Services company. It doesn't mind what platform it's customers are using, it'll support all of them. This is why you have Office/Outlook//OneDrive/Groove/etc.. on iOS and Android. Some of the apps work better on some platforms than others, I wouldn't say that Windows 10 Mobile has the worst experience.

    You've mentioned that Apple and Google serve their own customers and their own devices best. Yes, that's true, but exclusivity is a bad thing because by definition it excludes potential customers. Apple and Google want to tie their customers into their own ecosystems, Microsoft wants to free people to make their own choices (and use their services regardless of those choices).

    Microsoft have said before that it's no longer chasing market share. It'll produce a few Windows 10 Mobile devices, and let other manufacturers do the same. Windows 10 is the key driver for them, as is encouraging users to use their services.

    People are saying that Windows Phone is dead because it's no longer in the race.

    Why race?
    06-23-2016 01:26 AM
  20. humzahyaz's Avatar
    1. How would they encourage developers to develop apps for Windows 10 Mobile (which is their key focus) when they themselves would undermine the platform that they own. It took me 4 months on my Lumia 950 to sync my hotmail account with Outlook Mail (Egregious!!!). Outlook works like a charm on iOS. They released beta versions for Gigjam recently on iOS, Windows, and Mac but not for Windows 10 Mobile. I don't even mind if there are no Snapchats, YouTubes on Windows 10 Mobile but the fact that Microsoft would not even use Project Islandwood to use the same code they used in iOS to release an app on their own platform, they really need to stop developing Windows 10 Mobile and reduce their mobile business to being an app developing company.

    2. Developing and investing heavily in a platform and disincentivizing people to use it is oxymoronic. My brother was sold by Cortana and its superior utility. They made it available on iOS and now he has no reason to shift. If people don't shift, developers don't have an incentive to develop apps, and resultantly, OEM partners do not have the incentive to take the risk of investing in a making a Windows 10 Mobile device.

    3. I agree, flooding is bad but going on the other extreme and completely scaling out and not making quality phones available in the market befuddles me. I have convinced three people to invest in Lumia 650 but its no longer available. Plus the repeated change in strategy and the confused signals they send to retailers creates a disincentive to keep Microsoft's phones in stock and to OEMs to manufacture W10M devices.
    06-23-2016 01:42 AM
  21. Pete's Avatar
    Microsoft didn't undermine/retrench on Windows Phone 8.1 throughout it's life, and developers didn't flock to the platform.

    Developers equate effort to market share, what they don't do is invest some effort into attracting new customers by supporting Windows Phone (and thereby helping sales and creating another revenue stream). It's far easier for developers to do nothing and assume that people who want to use their apps will buy a phone that their app supports.

    Microsoft hasn't made app development for Windows 10 difficult. App developers simply don't bother.

    Try asking an app developer why they don't create a Windows 10 app. Most of the time, they'll say it's because there's not enough users, this is regardless of how many users are currently using Windows 10.
    06-23-2016 02:08 AM
  22. humzahyaz's Avatar
    That's exactly what I am saying. You need to get consumers AND enterprises, both, to jump on the windows platform. Give developers that incentive to create apps.

    You can't have your own platform and aggressively, support your competitors' OS platforms as well. Eventually your own platform will die its own death. Just emailing your OEMs that your investment is safe is not satisfactory. Actions speak louder than words. When Microsoft's own services work better on competitors, some reflection is required.

    The intent of my post was to highlight that Microsoft needs to change its WP strategy but 1. the current one is far from ideal, 2. the one that Nadella took in November was better suited, and 3. stick to a strategy!!
    06-23-2016 02:17 AM
  23. Pete's Avatar
    Microsoft offers a huge amount of support and information to developers. Short of locking developers in a room and beating them with a stick, there's not much that can be done.

    Yes, it's possible to buy development houses, like they did with Minecraft. Unfortunately, people see the figures involved in those deals and it just adds incentive not to do anything until Microsoft turns up with a briefcase full of money.

    On the other hand, the internet is evolving, and people are getting more and more connected. Creating well-crafted mobile websites is an alternative that can connect customers to services, regardless of what platform they're using. An internet connection and a modern internet browser is all that's needed in the majority of cases.

    Amazon for example no longer offers a Windows Phone app. This is a good thing because the mobile web page is far better than the app ever was. Offline usage is another matter, but the Amazon app had no offline functionality at all (being just a nasty web wrapper).
    06-23-2016 02:34 AM
  24. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    Microsoft offers a huge amount of support and information to developers. Short of locking developers in a room and beating them with a stick, there's not much that can be done.
    This might be a nice solution. I have plenty of sticks
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    06-23-2016 03:35 AM
  25. ttsoldier's Avatar
    That's exactly what I am saying. You need to get consumers AND enterprises, both, to jump on the windows platform. Give developers that incentive to create apps.

    You can't have your own platform and aggressively, support your competitors' OS platforms as well. Eventually your own platform will die its own death. Just emailing your OEMs that your investment is safe is not satisfactory. Actions speak louder than words. When Microsoft's own services work better on competitors, some reflection is required.

    The intent of my post was to highlight that Microsoft needs to change its WP strategy but 1. the current one is far from ideal, 2. the one that Nadella took in November was better suited, and 3. stick to a strategy!!
    What you need to realise is that Microsoft is a business. It's a software driven company. Microsoft is MUCH MUCH MUCH more than a mobile OS.

    If Windows 10 Mobile fails, do you think Microsoft fails? Ha. Microsoft is THE biggest tech company. They have shifted their focus to Windows 10 OS on the whole via Laptops/Tablets/XBOX etc .. Once Windows 10 is successful, Windows 10 mobile should be as well (At least this is their plan). Why? Because it's one OS.

    What would you rather? Microsoft shut down all other departs and focus solely on Mobile?

    And like I said above, even if they fail, you can still access their services on IOS and Android. It's a win-win for Microsoft.

    You need to make a decision to either suck it up and stick it through because it will take some time... Or switch to another OS because Mobile is not the main focus of Microsoft.
    06-23-2016 03:37 AM
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