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  1. humzahyaz's Avatar
    Its the worst kept secret that Mobile is not their focus for now. However, what I am saying is that if you develop and invest in ur own platform, there are some natural steps that need to be taken to make it a success. It would hardly make sense in developing something and then not backing it or supporting it. My post endeavours to only highlight that Microsoft needs a policy change but not the change in policy that they are currently adopting. Even companies worth billions are responsible for every penny they spend to their shareholders. It wouldn't make sense to develop your own platform but rather than backing and further developing your own OS, you back your competitors, losing millions in process.

    What bugs me the most is that their OS is pretty solid. They offer what no one in the market can. Most people don't use every app under the sun. A huge majority use smartphones for Facebook and Whatsapp, so the app gap argument is not relevant. People primarily rely on perceptions in the market. They ask retailers which phone to purchase and which phone is doing well. Microsoft does not itself do any favours with constant changes in its policy. With a few minor tweaks to their strategy, aggressive marketing, improving their image in the mobile business and with a little bit of focus on their own platform, the OS has the potential to take off.
    06-23-2016 03:46 AM
  2. Chintan Gohel's Avatar
    I think MS are thinking in these terms:

    Keep Cortana on less than a 100 million windows mobile devices or potentially access over 800 million mobile users spread over the three mobile platforms. Which gives more revenue? Cortana is related to Bing, right? Which generates revenue? And search data statistics?

    Apps on competing platforms are sometimes better than the one in windows 10 mobile? Hmm, could it be that MS don't want to publish an app that has glitches and less functionality in a platform that has so many users - because if they did release one that was bad, it would mean losing out on 100s of millions of potential users. So they want to get it right the first time for first impressions. For windows 10 mobile? User base is very small so if we find it limited, not many are complaining, right?

    Releasing apps for other platforms means a user base of 10-50 times bigger than that of windows 10 mobile so they generate just as many times more data and be able to develop faster that app.

    I think this strategy is really clever. Use a competing platform to gather a lot of data and feedback and then use that that data/feedback to improve their apps which then transfers to us as windows 10 mobile users (eventually)

    I mean, look at the pace of development of apps and the OS, do you think that it is solely driven by insider feedback? Isn't there an element of user feedback from all platforms? Thus a better data pool to make decisions on?
    06-23-2016 03:50 AM
  3. moin_23's Avatar
    In the beginning there was Symbian for me , then came Android . After few devices I got hold of a Windows Phone (being a microsoft fan).It started with Lumia 520,720,635,1320,830,1520 and at present 950XL.
    What I feel is MS is very casual towards their Mobile platform. As Wp8 was unique and sleek , but it lacked few basic features compared to Android or iOS. They brought those necessary basic updates in such a lengthy timeline that it was frustrating for the users(who are not a fan) . Wp8.1 came but still it lagged in competition. Users were buying Wp because of the Nokia branding, expecting something everytime. Lumia 1020,930 and 1520 were the best of the Lumia line and can be shown off because of their novelty camera and design.
    Then their came a huge gap in terms of software update and a new flagship.
    This took away the market which MS already had and its down to about 1-2% maybe.Still this year they said W10 mobile is not their focus this year.
    I used Lumia 730(running wp8.1) few days back, and trust me i am missing that smooth OS which w10 is nowhere close.So many cumulative updates but still random reboot, overheating(liquid cooling?),crashing, screen stuttering and battery draining issue still persists on my 950XL.
    MS never promoted the unique lumia/wp features or made progress with under development project. We could have been using exploding tiles on 3d touch unlike the absurd so called 3d touch on iphone (taking away the limelight). Same is happening with Living images, glance screen , color profile, dark theme mode , battery and data saving, etc which were already present since wp8.1 (i think) are now being copied by Android and iOS and promoted as if its their invention. Windows Phone was always unique in terms of feature and UI but they failed it because they never gave it the due attention, even MS garage would have made better and more apps unlike what the Phone team did, instead of MS focusing on making apps for iOS and Android(like really?).
    I don't think there will be a progress in the Store , as the market share has declined so much.I am afraid.
    I want to play some heavy games on my costly flaghship 950XL and use some feature rich apps, which I dont think is going to get possible anytime soon. FIFA 15 still crashes on .420 update.
    TBH, 950XL is not a true successor to the beast Lumia 1520 , nowhere close.
    forget about the design, the camera is not a big upgrade (but i love it though), battery is a big no, Windows Hello is still in beta (i love this feature but its impractical),etc.
    They are taking away the powerful and feature rich camera app which Lumia users used to boast about , they havent added any new features in a long time since they started merging the Lumia Camera and the default camera.HDR and Slow Motion is just matching the steps with others. I am missing the Action mode,etc and basic features like panaroma which should have been implemented in the default app.I was very proud of lumia camera and its advanced features in the past , but in a long while without a mojor update , others like samsung , lg and apple have improved their camera app a lot and made it feature rich and few are better than the best Lumia.
    They are taking away the cool stuffs like City Lens (I loved it when i used it on my 720) and few other apps and features.
    I dont wanna complain anymore, i just want MS to save me from switching to the boring Android or overhyped iPhone.

    Windows 10 Mobile still lacks many features like wifi-direct(via native OS ), multi window,etc.
    Apps are unforgivable, for ex Snapchat ; many of the girls i know like the look and feel of lumia but they don't switch because they love Snapchat more.If you guys cant get an app out of them why dont you just buy Snapchat?
    Android and iOS bridge might be shelved in future and so will be the mobile division.
    It pains to see that Lumia 650 has a better design than 950s and HP Elite is more powerful, i feel like i wasted my money for Windows Hello which is a beta software.

    MS , please bring a good surface phone in future asap. I am waiting for the true upgrade and should be worth it.
    Bring the pen support (Samsung is ruling it with note series); a better innovative technology in display, implement McLaren(3d touch) tech if possible; at least 256gb storage so their wont be a requirement of sd card slot , water resistent, classy body like Surface series, slim, better if colorful light shades on the sides which changes , MS logo which should glow, carbon ink display on the back if possible, keyboard flip cover,better camera( maybe dual) and better focus tech(infra red), liquid cooling which should work (unlike 950xl), a juicy battery and optimise the OS till then , u guys can even go for mods ;use your R&D this time nicely please implement those tech now , its time.
    There is a lot to be done with the software , make it as sleek and smooth as wp8(resuming screen), true multi tasking ,enhanced continuum, find a way so tha we can use apps(not all) for PCs using the phone, note down the features which are missing and come at par with others, make some new features to get the hype (make the living images motion sensitive like the 3d cards we used in childhood), better camera apps with features of DSLR,exploding tiles is a must this time, gesture controls, any game controller support,unlimited expansion of storage ,etc
    U guys have done it with Surface tab,u can do it with Phones.Please.These are the post PC devices, u cant ignore it.This is future, not PCs.

    MS , you are a software giant , act like one - A Fan
    06-23-2016 07:36 AM
  4. mtf1380's Avatar

    MS , you are a software giant , act like one - A Fan
    YEAH! what he said!
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    06-23-2016 07:54 AM
  5. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Economics 101? Release for windows mobile, make less money? Yah that's what Economics 101 teaches you. Make less money for your company and blow billions of dollars trying to fight in an area YOU CAN'T COMPETE. Even Google was smart enough to drop Google+ after it realized it can't compete with Facebook.

    What they are doing now makes sense. And it's a long-term strategy not a short term one. That's because they can't compete in the short term. They can release all the phones they want on an OS that is not finished and put all their apps on it, no developers will come because no one will buy these phones except fans.

    What they are doing now is transforming their PC market to be more like a mobile market. The UI, the app store, the security enhancements. And it's being made completely modular and device agnostic. They are focusing on creating tools so that you only have to build the apps once for all devices. They are gaining market share through the use of their PC dominance which is going to trickle down through all devices. It will no longer have to be seen as "phone shares" but simply "windows 10 shares". Why? because 1 app should work on all windows devices. They are focusing more effort on the desktop for that exact reason. It will gain them market share.

    Windows 10 is not finished! Not on desktop nor on mobile. Do not give me that "It will never be finished" argument. Because it will be finished with Redstone 2. They still haven't even moved over all control panel items, made a new file explorer to integrate properly and quite a lot of other stuff. It's a 2 year project. This is what Satya said. Windows 10 will take 2 years to finish. Then afterwards it will act as a service. So it will be finished at some point.

    Do you really want to battle against people in an environment where your software is not even finished? No, you work on that. The desktop is easier to work with because the fact that it's not finished doesn't bother people because they are already familiar with the Desktop experience. It's also an advantage in a way because they don't have to learn something completely new right away. The new features will trickle in and it will be easier to learn once you already have a grasp on how things work. They will become more familiar with the settings app, the Start menu and action center while still being able to navigate as they always have. Once control panel is phased out they will know it's the settings app they need to go to. Everything will be much easier to navigate as the complexity is slowly being moved over to a simpler UI. In the mobile world you want consistency, you want apps! And the Desktop is what's bringing those apps. So they are doing everything in their power to try to disrupt the app gap but you don't see that. You only see it from your own perspective. Imagine how many more apps will be available by the time Redstone 2 rolls around and they launch their new devices?

    Will they be successful? Who knows they have competition like Google and chromebook. But for the time being things look to be going in a positive direction. I think once they stop giving the windows 10 update out for free there will also be more hardware purchases. At this point anniversary update will be the OS being shipped and it will be in a better state. And Redstone 2 is supposed to be their pride and joy and the big one that they release more devices with and features that will be new and may create some positive media coverage.

    MS likely has shown companies their plans for Redstone 2 and windows 10 in general. Many CEOs are likely under non-disclosure to keep it under wraps. But these big companies don't need MS to pay them to make apps, they are doing it because they know something. Facebook is not exactly a poor company.

    There will also be a big focus on gaming which sells way beyond what apps do. Even their next cellular device may be designed to be able to let you play games. Maybe even not worry about poor touch controls through some hardware innovation and/or even APIs that do the work for devs.

    The xbox will become an app. And OEMs will be able to compete in the console industry. PC's that meet minimum requirements will be able to turn into an xbox.

    Anyways, don't worry about the market share. Worry about what experience your phone gives you now. If you believe a competitor gives you a better experience then seriously you don't need to stress over it just switch. You can always come back when MS has their stuff together. Keep in mind that Samsung, Apple and MS all plan big releases spring of 2017. So you will have a lot of choice. You may dislike android/ios, but you have to weigh the pros and cons. You worked hard for your money, use it wisely!
    06-23-2016 11:24 AM
  6. cracgor's Avatar
    Since the start, Windows Phone has been the enthusiast's choice - the phone for people who don't want to follow the crowd, and for people who just want to do stuff (stuff that isn't snapchat).
    This age old argument is always put forth as a way to say Windows Phone is for real work. People who do not like Windows Phone are people who want to use dumb apps like snap chat. While I almost never use snap chat, mostly because I would prefer to be able to look back at my conversation history; it is one of many apps that allow a task that cannot be done on Windows Phone.

    How about people that want to play on chess on any major online server (lichess, chess.com, chess24, etc)? The only really good app I have found is Chess4All, but most of the time now I just use a browser or lichess app on Android.

    Or people that want to practice guitar? Apps exist, but are not as good. Maybe the one of the exceptions are for writing sheet music on Surface Pro (StaffPad), but in general I use either a browser or Android for this.

    If I forgot to turn on my home security when I left the house, Windows Phone is incapable of helping me do anything but get directions back home so I can manually turn it on. Same with managing my NAS, scheduling my DVR, or watching HBO on the go.

    I know that you are a die hard fan and Microsoft could do no wrong with Windows Phone, but its strategy is frustrating. Windows Phone is improved from where it was at Windows 6.5, but it is behind the competition in ability to do things. Much like Windows on PC used to offer more ability to get things done than Linux or Apple.

    Microsoft cannot ignore mobile users on Apple and Android. If it does, then all the mobile users might switch to a free alternative on their phones, then switch to a free alternative on their computers. I think we are sort of saying the same thing, but I think Microsoft is on the other platforms because they have no choice, not because they want to be there.

    Finally, Microsoft is not chasing market share because a public company does not like to dwell on bad news. People say Windows Phone is dead because there is anemic development for the system. If Microsoft did not make enough money to keep it afloat, it would have died with Nokia. Microsoft does not race because its Mobile competitor has two broken legs and is blind.
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    06-23-2016 02:05 PM
  7. cracgor's Avatar
    Economics 101? Release for windows mobile, make less money? Yah that's what Economics 101 teaches you. Make less money for your company and blow billions of dollars trying to fight in an area YOU CAN'T COMPETE. Even Google was smart enough to drop Google+ after it realized it can't compete with Facebook.

    What they are doing now makes sense. And it's a long-term strategy not a short term one. That's because they can't compete in the short term. They can release all the phones they want on an OS that is not finished and put all their apps on it, no developers will come because no one will buy these phones except fans.

    What they are doing now is transforming their PC market to be more like a mobile market. The UI, the app store, the security enhancements. And it's being made completely modular and device agnostic. They are focusing on creating tools so that you only have to build the apps once for all devices. They are gaining market share through the use of their PC dominance which is going to trickle down through all devices. It will no longer have to be seen as "phone shares" but simply "windows 10 shares". Why? because 1 app should work on all windows devices. They are focusing more effort on the desktop for that exact reason. It will gain them market share.

    Windows 10 is not finished! Not on desktop nor on mobile. Do not give me that "It will never be finished" argument. Because it will be finished with Redstone 2. They still haven't even moved over all control panel items, made a new file explorer to integrate properly and quite a lot of other stuff. It's a 2 year project. This is what Satya said. Windows 10 will take 2 years to finish. Then afterwards it will act as a service. So it will be finished at some point.

    Do you really want to battle against people in an environment where your software is not even finished? No, you work on that. The desktop is easier to work with because the fact that it's not finished doesn't bother people because they are already familiar with the Desktop experience. It's also an advantage in a way because they don't have to learn something completely new right away. The new features will trickle in and it will be easier to learn once you already have a grasp on how things work. They will become more familiar with the settings app, the Start menu and action center while still being able to navigate as they always have. Once control panel is phased out they will know it's the settings app they need to go to. Everything will be much easier to navigate as the complexity is slowly being moved over to a simpler UI. In the mobile world you want consistency, you want apps! And the Desktop is what's bringing those apps. So they are doing everything in their power to try to disrupt the app gap but you don't see that. You only see it from your own perspective. Imagine how many more apps will be available by the time Redstone 2 rolls around and they launch their new devices?

    Will they be successful? Who knows they have competition like Google and chromebook. But for the time being things look to be going in a positive direction. I think once they stop giving the windows 10 update out for free there will also be more hardware purchases. At this point anniversary update will be the OS being shipped and it will be in a better state. And Redstone 2 is supposed to be their pride and joy and the big one that they release more devices with and features that will be new and may create some positive media coverage.

    MS likely has shown companies their plans for Redstone 2 and windows 10 in general. Many CEOs are likely under non-disclosure to keep it under wraps. But these big companies don't need MS to pay them to make apps, they are doing it because they know something. Facebook is not exactly a poor company.

    There will also be a big focus on gaming which sells way beyond what apps do. Even their next cellular device may be designed to be able to let you play games. Maybe even not worry about poor touch controls through some hardware innovation and/or even APIs that do the work for devs.

    The xbox will become an app. And OEMs will be able to compete in the console industry. PC's that meet minimum requirements will be able to turn into an xbox.

    Anyways, don't worry about the market share. Worry about what experience your phone gives you now. If you believe a competitor gives you a better experience then seriously you don't need to stress over it just switch. You can always come back when MS has their stuff together. Keep in mind that Samsung, Apple and MS all plan big releases spring of 2017. So you will have a lot of choice. You may dislike android/ios, but you have to weigh the pros and cons. You worked hard for your money, use it wisely!
    I ignored your pure speculation (CEOs having nondisclosure agreements, playing xbox games on your phone, OEMs making windows phone), but I did highlight in bold the parts of your post that highlight in part how Microsoft's strategy is frustrating.
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    06-23-2016 02:13 PM
  8. theefman's Avatar
    Coming up to 2 years since this thread was started and the talk is still about how Microsoft can succeed in mobile. That pretty much says it all, compounded when you consider that they are in an even worse position now than when this thread was started.
    06-23-2016 02:30 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    Coming up to 2 years since this thread was started and the talk is still about how Microsoft can succeed in mobile. That pretty much says it all, compounded when you consider that they are in an even worse position now than when this thread was started.
    Yup, and in June 2018 we'll be saying the same thing. It's just around the corner folks...
    06-23-2016 03:58 PM
  10. WellingtonW's Avatar
    I dunno why you are bringing this thread back to life.

    Doesn't matter if you don't want to use apps. A lot of services around you do need apps. Thats modern life.
    You could use the browser as a workaround but edge isn't good enough in its current state.
    A lot of websites have been tested on IOS and Android but not Edge. So they just don't work with it.
    The OS is buggy even on the slow (stable lol ) build. The hardware is buggy. Bad speakers, bad vibration.
    The OS design is a mess. Every time they change it, they change stuff that doesn't need changing. Every time they fix 3 things, they break 2.

    Watching them fix this is like watching paint dry.

    I really like Windows Phone/Mobile ( I don't even know what to call it anymore). But MS have killed it through bad management. Worse than that they are destroying any good memory the user base has. Its like someone in MS said lets make sure no one will come back to the platform.
    06-23-2016 04:51 PM
  11. humzahyaz's Avatar
    Economics 101? Release for windows mobile, make less money? Yah that's what Economics 101 teaches you. Make less money for your company and blow billions of dollars trying to fight in an area YOU CAN'T COMPETE. Even Google was smart enough to drop Google+ after it realized it can't compete with Facebook.

    What they are doing now makes sense. And it's a long-term strategy not a short term one. That's because they can't compete in the short term. They can release all the phones they want on an OS that is not finished and put all their apps on it, no developers will come because no one will buy these phones except fans.

    What they are doing now is transforming their PC market to be more like a mobile market. The UI, the app store, the security enhancements. And it's being made completely modular and device agnostic. They are focusing on creating tools so that you only have to build the apps once for all devices. They are gaining market share through the use of their PC dominance which is going to trickle down through all devices. It will no longer have to be seen as "phone shares" but simply "windows 10 shares". Why? because 1 app should work on all windows devices. They are focusing more effort on the desktop for that exact reason. It will gain them market share.

    Windows 10 is not finished! Not on desktop nor on mobile. Do not give me that "It will never be finished" argument. Because it will be finished with Redstone 2. They still haven't even moved over all control panel items, made a new file explorer to integrate properly and quite a lot of other stuff. It's a 2 year project. This is what Satya said. Windows 10 will take 2 years to finish. Then afterwards it will act as a service. So it will be finished at some point.

    Do you really want to battle against people in an environment where your software is not even finished? No, you work on that. The desktop is easier to work with because the fact that it's not finished doesn't bother people because they are already familiar with the Desktop experience. It's also an advantage in a way because they don't have to learn something completely new right away. The new features will trickle in and it will be easier to learn once you already have a grasp on how things work. They will become more familiar with the settings app, the Start menu and action center while still being able to navigate as they always have. Once control panel is phased out they will know it's the settings app they need to go to. Everything will be much easier to navigate as the complexity is slowly being moved over to a simpler UI. In the mobile world you want consistency, you want apps! And the Desktop is what's bringing those apps. So they are doing everything in their power to try to disrupt the app gap but you don't see that. You only see it from your own perspective. Imagine how many more apps will be available by the time Redstone 2 rolls around and they launch their new devices?

    Will they be successful? Who knows they have competition like Google and chromebook. But for the time being things look to be going in a positive direction. I think once they stop giving the windows 10 update out for free there will also be more hardware purchases. At this point anniversary update will be the OS being shipped and it will be in a better state. And Redstone 2 is supposed to be their pride and joy and the big one that they release more devices with and features that will be new and may create some positive media coverage.

    MS likely has shown companies their plans for Redstone 2 and windows 10 in general. Many CEOs are likely under non-disclosure to keep it under wraps. But these big companies don't need MS to pay them to make apps, they are doing it because they know something. Facebook is not exactly a poor company.

    There will also be a big focus on gaming which sells way beyond what apps do. Even their next cellular device may be designed to be able to let you play games. Maybe even not worry about poor touch controls through some hardware innovation and/or even APIs that do the work for devs.

    The xbox will become an app. And OEMs will be able to compete in the console industry. PC's that meet minimum requirements will be able to turn into an xbox.

    Anyways, don't worry about the market share. Worry about what experience your phone gives you now. If you believe a competitor gives you a better experience then seriously you don't need to stress over it just switch. You can always come back when MS has their stuff together. Keep in mind that Samsung, Apple and MS all plan big releases spring of 2017. So you will have a lot of choice. You may dislike android/ios, but you have to weigh the pros and cons. You worked hard for your money, use it wisely!
    Wow dude, thank you for such an insightful message. The point that I am trying to make is that the Lumia 950/xl and 650 are top quality phones. Whoever has seen a demo of my 950 has been blown away, even friends have Samsung Galaxy 7 edge have been in awe. My wife who has had every iPhone since iPhone 3 uses my phone when she has to take pictures. My mom has used all three platforms and has found Windows to be the best. Majority of the smart phone users don't use/can't afford high-end flagship phones and the Lumia 650 is a perfect solution for them. Yet, not only the phone was not marketed AT ALL, they are now no longer available. A lot of people love its stylish design, and want to try out the synchronization with Windows 10.

    Plus common people like stability. the iPhone and Samsung Galaxy are omnipresent which gives consumers the confidence in their investment. What no one likes is instability and the risk of investing in a device that may become irrelevant soon. First its nokia lumia, then its microsoft lumia and now there is no lumia. The name Lumia has been synonymous with Windows Phone and it makes little sense to completely remove them from the planet. They can develop Surface Phones for enterprises and Lumia phones could have a flagship for consumers and a budget device (like Lumia 650). If the past is anything to go by, their failure to release a flagship for almost two years after Lumia 930 did a lot of harm to them.

    The point I am advocating is that it is imperative that Microsoft remains relevant in the phone market before completely becoming irrelevant in a year's time.
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    06-23-2016 11:57 PM
  12. humzahyaz's Avatar
    Plus, it is a vicious cycle. Consumers don't come because there are not any apps, majority of developers don't think its worth their salt to develop apps for a small consumer base, and major OEMs (like Samsung) don't manufacture phones with Windows. If they want WP to succeed they need to have a short term strategy AND a long term strategy, so that by the time (in the long term) they release Redstone 2, they have improved their image, perception of people and have majority apps to hit the ground running and making the device a success. Scaling back from countries where Lumias were faring relatively better, and not making them even available for purchase, is a disaster and would only hurt MS even more (in the long run).
    06-24-2016 12:02 AM
  13. WellingtonW's Avatar
    Seriously edit the quotes.

    ....Whoever has seen a demo of my 950 has been blown away....have been in awe....
    Awe of what exactly?

    ....Majority of the smart phone users don't use/can't afford high-end flagship phones and the Lumia 650 is a perfect solution for them. Yet, not only the phone was not marketed AT ALL, they are now no longer available. A lot of people love its stylish design, and want to try out the synchronization with Windows 10. .
    Where I am the 650 is too expensive. It more expensive than the competition. Even if it wasn't Windows it still wouldn't sell.

    You can pick up all the latest Microsoft phones in the used market, lots of 950 & 650 for sale, as users move off the platform.

    Windows Phone biggest seller was always quality low to mid end cheap phones. 520, 630 etc.

    The point I am advocating is that it is imperative that Microsoft remains relevant in the phone market before completely becoming irrelevant in a year's time.
    Too plate. Its no longer a player.
    06-24-2016 03:03 AM
  14. Krystianpants's Avatar
    Wow dude, thank you for such an insightful message. The point that I am trying to make is that the Lumia 950/xl and 650 are top quality phones. Whoever has seen a demo of my 950 has been blown away, even friends have Samsung Galaxy 7 edge have been in awe. My wife who has had every iPhone since iPhone 3 uses my phone when she has to take pictures. My mom has used all three platforms and has found Windows to be the best. Majority of the smart phone users don't use/can't afford high-end flagship phones and the Lumia 650 is a perfect solution for them. Yet, not only the phone was not marketed AT ALL, they are now no longer available. A lot of people love its stylish design, and want to try out the synchronization with Windows 10.

    Plus common people like stability. the iPhone and Samsung Galaxy are omnipresent which gives consumers the confidence in their investment. What no one likes is instability and the risk of investing in a device that may become irrelevant soon. First its nokia lumia, then its microsoft lumia and now there is no lumia. The name Lumia has been synonymous with Windows Phone and it makes little sense to completely remove them from the planet. They can develop Surface Phones for enterprises and Lumia phones could have a flagship for consumers and a budget device (like Lumia 650). If the past is anything to go by, their failure to release a flagship for almost two years after Lumia 930 did a lot of harm to them.

    The point I am advocating is that it is imperative that Microsoft remains relevant in the phone market before completely becoming irrelevant in a year's time.
    It can't though. Honestly, look at all the inconsistencies and issues people suffer on the current stable releases let alone on the redstone ones. It's just not ready for the big time. Do you know how many returns at&t was getting for 950s because of issues? They need to perfect it and provide features that are unique and compelling along with great hardware. The current market share will have no bearing on any future market share. The current market share is not part of Microsoft's vision. They want to to be forgotten for that past, they want a fresh start. And they need to build up their app library, clean up the store and provide a generally great experience that people will enjoy. Then they can go in full force. They also need to get as many OEMs on board as possible.

    Yes my 950XL is a great device and many of my friends were considering getting them. Mostly because of the gorgeous screen that works well with the OS. But I essentially told them not to. Because I am not huge on the latest trends and most of them are. And MS needs to prove that there is a means of profit in the windows 10 market. And this is why they are focusing on desktop. The best thing you can do if you want to see a future in windows mobile is get people on windows 10 and get them using apps from the store. MS wasted many years. They have their act together now. They have a big picture.

    Targeting enterprise is a pretty good idea too. Blackberry became big in consumer space this way. The problem is they didn't design their OS for adding features easily and following trends. This is where w10 will have the advantage. Honestly things are changing phones will change dramatically and MS rather be in the new market space rather than try to compete in the old one. Hopefully they can start something new and fresh like they did with their 2-in-1's. Something even better. Other than that, you can't tell a company what they need to do to become successful. It's not how it works. The only thing that would help MS right now is a time machine.
    06-24-2016 09:59 AM
  15. Scott Pisciotta's Avatar
    I think the Chinese manufacturers may have a great solution in the works. As the Intel chips get better, you get a dual boot device that runs android for you phone and games, and Windows 10 (Full version).

    This would get you the best of both worlds. Use Android for the phone, and when you want to get real work done, switch over to the Windows 10. You have to think in 5 years your phone will do it all from a processing power standpoint. Only hard core PC users would need a more powerful laptop.

    Thoughts?
    07-29-2016 12:26 PM
  16. libra89's Avatar
    If I'm not mistaken, didn't Intel stop making mobile chips? It's hard for me to consider this considering the former.
    07-29-2016 01:42 PM
  17. Mohd Fadil A's Avatar
    Simple, tons of apps
    08-08-2016 03:40 AM
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