08-05-2014 03:14 PM
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  1. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    I think the biggest issue remains that Microsoft is answering a question nobody asked in 2010 - "do we need a 3rd smartphone platform"?
    Yes. And if you are a consumer who cares about competition to keep costs low, you should to.


    iOS - walled garden with beautiful phones, accessories, apps and content
    Android - open-source OS approach with multiple app stores, dozens of handsets to choose from, huge flexibility
    iOS - Locked down zero-customizable, grossly-overpriced ecosystem that only plays well with its own ecosystem. Same static, boring, icon-laden interface which recently was refreshed after six years (whoo! Good thing Apple is so innovative) with a color palette so putrid it looks like rainbow bright's unicorn threw up all over it.

    Android - Open source Frankenstein what-am-I-supposed-to-look-like UI begs for Lookout security to be loaded on it right out of the box to keep nasties away. In high need of octo-core processors to keep the jitters and fragged performance down. Maybe that's because Google is data mining you so hard that it's taking up half the CPU. I've owned Android devices from Froyo up through Jelly Bean and they all suck at performance after the first 10 months.
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    08-02-2014 10:09 PM
  2. RavenSword's Avatar
    Yes. And if you are a consumer who cares about competition to keep costs low, you should to.



    iOS - Locked down zero-customizable, grossly-overpriced ecosystem that only plays well with its own ecosystem. Same static, boring, icon-laden interface which recently was refreshed after six years (whoo! Good thing Apple is so innovative) with a color palette so putrid it looks like rainbow bright's unicorn threw up all over it.

    Android - Open source Frankenstein what-am-I-supposed-to-look-like UI begs for Lookout security to be loaded on it right out of the box to keep nasties away. In high need of octo-core processors to keep the jitters and fragged performance down. Maybe that's because Google is data mining you so hard that it's taking up half the CPU. I've owned Android devices from Froyo up through Jelly Bean and they all suck at performance after the first 10 months.
    bitter much?
    08-02-2014 10:18 PM
  3. se7en20's Avatar
    bitter much?
    but it's true.
    Heavens_Angel26 and stevemind like this.
    08-02-2014 10:20 PM
  4. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    Yes. And if you are a consumer who cares about competition to keep costs low, you should to.



    iOS - Locked down zero-customizable, grossly-overpriced ecosystem that only plays well with its own ecosystem. Same static, boring, icon-laden interface which recently was refreshed after six years (whoo! Good thing Apple is so innovative) with a color palette so putrid it looks like rainbow bright's unicorn threw up all over it.

    Android - Open source Frankenstein what-am-I-supposed-to-look-like UI begs for Lookout security to be loaded on it right out of the box to keep nasties away. In high need of octo-core processors to keep the jitters and fragged performance down. Maybe that's because Google is data mining you so hard that it's taking up half the CPU. I've owned Android devices from Froyo up through Jelly Bean and they all suck at performance after the first 10 months.
    My iPod's have always played well with my PCs
    08-02-2014 10:28 PM
  5. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    who buys phones based on market share? are you kidding? most iPhone people do. They see people with an iPhone and figure that's the way to go so they buy one. you walk into a room with 50 people and everyone is looking up, you will look up to. Its pack mentality, we naturally follow the crowd.
    So you know most iPhone people to make that claim?
    08-02-2014 10:29 PM
  6. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    Former windows phone is DOA activist tells us why the Windows Phone is dead crew should seriously consider putting several socks in it this year.

    Windows Phone: Making progress and following in the footsteps of OS X | ITProPortal.com

    "Microsoft should keep up the entry-level push, while courting aficionados with devices like Lumia Icon (pictured above), Lumia 930, or 1020. Windows Phone will get more respect, and Nokia will help bring it. Sure the apps go to Android and iOS first, like they did Windows a decade go. But people still bought Macs, and increasing numbers for a convergence of previously stated reasons. The only thing dead here is the zombie apocalypse of mindless smartphone users and pundits seeking to eat Windows Phone's brain"
    People still bought Macs just in... USA (and maybe, Canada? =P)
    08-02-2014 10:45 PM
  7. smoledman's Avatar
    Yes. And if you are a consumer who cares about competition to keep costs low, you should to.



    iOS - Locked down zero-customizable, grossly-overpriced ecosystem that only plays well with its own ecosystem. Same static, boring, icon-laden interface which recently was refreshed after six years (whoo! Good thing Apple is so innovative) with a color palette so putrid it looks like rainbow bright's unicorn threw up all over it.

    Android - Open source Frankenstein what-am-I-supposed-to-look-like UI begs for Lookout security to be loaded on it right out of the box to keep nasties away. In high need of octo-core processors to keep the jitters and fragged performance down. Maybe that's because Google is data mining you so hard that it's taking up half the CPU. I've owned Android devices from Froyo up through Jelly Bean and they all suck at performance after the first 10 months.
    I doubt anyone going into a AT&T Wireless shop circa Jan 2011 was thinking "Gosh darnit if only we had a viable 3rd smartphone platform and I so wish Microsoft would pull it off!".

    Be real. I wish WP will succeed but it's looking very bad.
    08-02-2014 11:36 PM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I doubt anyone going into a AT&T Wireless shop circa Jan 2011 was thinking "Gosh darnit if only we had a viable 3rd smartphone platform and I so wish Microsoft would pull it off!".
    I didn't even know Windows Phone existed in January 2011. It wasn't until CES in January 2012 that I paid attention to it.
    08-02-2014 11:48 PM
  9. kavita10's Avatar
    Well.. coming from BB & Android .. Yes seen and read what WP does not seem to have, but happy with the fact that I dont have to constantly worry about the lag and even running around to find a charger..

    BB would always get me thru the day but there was never a single day like that with Android.. not to mention despite rooting and removing all the bloatwares still have to put up with a laggy device. I am in India and except a know quite a few people who root their devices load custom roms and yet dont complain as they always have a second device along with them.. But the vast majority still do not root their phones and really dont know what to do with the laggy droids... They keep shifting apps from int memory to the memory cards..
    I still remember the day when I took my shiny new L920 to work the first question asked was "Does it lag?" & still keep getting asked the same question even after a year..I would ask a layman droid user "How often do u guys reboot your phone?" .. Ask this same question to a WP user and u know u have a winning device on your hand..

    Ya ya I still hate the fact that the camera takes its own sweet time to start .. not too bothered about app gaps, a little heating from time to time and erratic battery at times.. But am still content with the apps & my phone, wouldn't go back to android even if they paid me to... Most of us use phones to stay connected and as long as WP can let me do that without having to change my phone too often am glad.. To cut it short am glad to be on WP8.1 and eagerly waiting for the GDR1
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    08-03-2014 12:27 AM
  10. salmanahmad's Avatar
    What I find weird is Microsoft's seriousness when it comes to their own platform.

    They always shout out the slogan about Windows Phone first yet when it comes to applications about their own phone and services, Android and iOS always get more priority.

    For example the Skype and Outlook.com apps are okay on Windows Phone but amazing on Android. Skype for Windows Phone doesn't even support photo sending, not to mention the massive performance issues.

    Then comes outlook.com which works on Windows Phone but if you see the Android app you will find features like putting a lock on the app and a better design.

    It is very hard for Microsost to get app developers to bring their apps to the Windows Phone platform and then even harder for them to ensure constant updates but when Microsoft itself doesn't offer the best possible version of their own apps on their OWN platform, who will?

    Cortana is one of the only standout features of Windows Phone right now, if the decision to port it to Android and iOS comes true:

    Bye, bye Windows Phone.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    08-03-2014 12:37 AM
  11. jharr100's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something but MS did have mobile devices pre-android and IOS...so how is this a introducing a third player...they've always been a player...its just now there focus is on consumers rather than business and growing their market share...even though WP isn't there yet...look how much better the OS is getting each and everyday...just wait until its fully featured however many more years that will be...at some point there will be no features left to add to catch up... I think next major update is smooth sailing
    Laura Knotek and Tjarren like this.
    08-03-2014 12:38 AM
  12. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something but MS did have mobile devices pre-android and IOS...so how is this a introducing a third player...they've always been a player...its just now there focus is on consumers rather than business and growing their market share...even though WP isn't there yet...look how much better the OS is getting each and everyday...just wait until its fully featured however many more years that will be...at some point there will be no features left to add to catch up... I think next major update is smooth sailing
    At some point Windows Mobile had 18-30 percent marketshare in the U.S.
    This is Microsoft's lowest point one might say
    08-03-2014 01:03 AM
  13. Loco5150's Avatar
    Who buys a phone based on market shares ? None that I know,however,the market share is used as a gauge to see how well something is doing correct? Then market share has a direct collation to wither people in general are buying them,and if they are making profit. If people stop buying them,just how long certain phones or the whole division do you think remain alive with how things are being done these days at Microsoft?

    Now,if Microsoft does what most large corporations do after buying out a company,and if sales continue to fall,how long do you think Microsoft will produce phones on it's own without resorting to other vendors? If the other vendors phones don't turn around the sales and the market share continues to fall.....where is the cut off point ?

    The bottom line is the only thing that matters to the company and it's share holders,not what anyone here thinks.
    Actually I think you are wrong here. Many buy their devices because of market share. Not because of the numbers, but because what they have around them = Market share. Their friends and co-workers show them "how good" their devices are and what they can do with them. Then people go and buy the same devices, without really finding out for themselves about whats best for them.
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    08-03-2014 01:33 AM
  14. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    What I find weird is Microsoft's seriousness when it comes to their own platform.

    They always shout out the slogan about Windows Phone first yet when it comes to applications about their own phone and services, Android and iOS always get more priority.

    For example the Skype and Outlook.com apps are okay on Windows Phone but amazing on Android. Skype for Windows Phone doesn't even support photo sending, not to mention the massive performance issues.

    Then comes outlook.com which works on Windows Phone but if you see the Android app you will find features like putting a lock on the app and a better design.

    It is very hard for Microsost to get app developers to bring their apps to the Windows Phone platform and then even harder for them to ensure constant updates but when Microsoft itself doesn't offer the best possible version of their own apps on their OWN platform, who will?

    Cortana is one of the only standout features of Windows Phone right now, if the decision to port it to Android and iOS comes true:

    Bye, bye Windows Phone.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

    Office and OneNote is better on iOS/Android too...
    08-03-2014 01:48 AM
  15. anony_mouse's Avatar
    WP has made some small gains in the last 18 months but Microsoft have made a catastrophic mistake in buying Nokia's phone business. This will massively increase the losses from their mobile division, and may threaten WP's future in the longer term, unless they can hugely increase sales, or cut it back to the bare bones.
    08-03-2014 04:32 AM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Do you know that Google and Apple are sharing their money to own Microsoft products?
    Not sure what you mean by "owning" Microsoft products. Are you saying that they are pooling their pocket money so they can buy an Xbox?
    Loco5150 and tgp like this.
    08-03-2014 04:35 AM
  17. DER1996's Avatar
    Let's think about te future:
    Google is getting market share and soon they have 90% of the global market share. iPhone will be a small player compared to Google and they are loosing market in the future.
    BUT in China it is growing lot of companies using Gogle OS. they will use a ready OS, no development costs. They will make cheap phones and they will eat Google market share as breakfast. And they will soon have 90% market share.
    Third player is very important on the market. People who like a phone of iPhone or WP is more difficult to get to chinese camp even if they are very price competitiv. When somebody learn to use a different phone OS well he/she don't want to change the OS. This is a fact with iOS and WP. Android OS will be similar to every producer and to keep the market share ouside China is not so secure.
    Actually it's those chineese companies that MS is counting on . I mean most of the new OEMs using windows phone are either chineese or indian and that's mainly because android sucks on low end . Why should microsft e happy about this ? one reason :windows phone is closed source so they can't really f*** with it and remove MS services . In a nutshell unlike google , Microsoft doesn't need to worry about chineese OEMs , it should be happy about them . Why doesn't google work more on low end or close source their OS? they tried the first , still in progress and doesn't run that decent , hey tried the second but they created as a result the LEAST populr android ever ,3.0 , and no it isn't just about it being only for tablets , it's about OEMs who got used to complete control of the OS ( for better or worse ) and who weren't ready to let go just yet. But for the smoothness and very good performance of WP on low end , and the nice features 8.1 brought to the table and the low low price of 0$ they're adopting it. So for every one who thinks WP apocalypse is near , the good thing about MS is that it's aware that mobile is the future , and it's not the kind of company that turns its back on its future ( not anymore any way :p )
    08-03-2014 06:52 AM
  18. clvrbas's Avatar
    In fact, if Windows Mobile doesn't exist, then Windows Phone will not exist too. Microsoft makes WP because they want to have it only a name on the market share. And they don't want to beat Android and iOS because it seems like they are beating their bosses! I hint you that Apple and Google own Microsoft about 30%!
    Its not about heading Android or iOS at all. Its about providing a strong viable option. I've uses android and I find WP to be a better user experience, even if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles. The things we have to remember is that Android had several years before it realm took the market, it also helped having Samsung with all their marketing money.

    I think Microsoft knows they cannot kill iOS or Android, however they can influence the market. Both Apple and Google are taking design and developer preview ideas from Microsoft.

    The Mobile 🏁 is far from over!
    08-03-2014 08:16 AM
  19. NickG92's Avatar
    WP is more alive than ever!
    08-03-2014 08:41 AM
  20. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    What I find weird is Microsoft's seriousness when it comes to their own platform.

    They always shout out the slogan about Windows Phone first yet when it comes to applications about their own phone and services, Android and iOS always get more priority.

    For example the Skype and Outlook.com apps are okay on Windows Phone but amazing on Android. Skype for Windows Phone doesn't even support photo sending, not to mention the massive performance issues.

    Then comes outlook.com which works on Windows Phone but if you see the Android app you will find features like putting a lock on the app and a better design.

    It is very hard for Microsost to get app developers to bring their apps to the Windows Phone platform and then even harder for them to ensure constant updates but when Microsoft itself doesn't offer the best possible version of their own apps on their OWN platform, who will?

    Cortana is one of the only standout features of Windows Phone right now, if the decision to port it to Android and iOS comes true:

    Bye, bye Windows Phone.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    That's just it. It just starts being all about WP and an emphasis,on the mobile market. Before it was Office, Skype and Bing period, it didn't matter the device. MSFT after all does own the most popular administrative application suite out there in Office. Bing is, the second most popular search engine out there. Natya has put an emphasis on MSFT reinforcing the importance on MSFT imprint on the mobile community. The tug o war was always between software exposure vs WP exclusivity. Outside of their search engine and web browser, Google doesn't have any well known software applications. Same with Apple. MSFT has always been software provider first. Now people want them to make those same applications only accessible through WP is a shift in the culture and that takes time. I agree about Cortana.
    08-03-2014 09:31 AM
  21. SACRIFICE_84's Avatar
    Windows phone is back from the dead[win mobile] and only a genius companies can do it[microsoft and nokia]
    08-03-2014 11:17 AM
  22. tgp's Avatar
    Actually I think you are wrong here. Many buy their devices because of market share. Not because of the numbers, but because what they have around them = Market share. Their friends and co-workers show them "how good" their devices are and what they can do with them. Then people go and buy the same devices, without really finding out for themselves about whats best for them.
    I agree. Lots of consumers buy based on market share, although indirectly. Besides going by what those around you use, market share also has a direct effect on ecosystem and apps. Apps are one of WP's weak points. Higher market share = more and higher quality apps.
    08-03-2014 12:54 PM
  23. smoledman's Avatar
    I agree. Lots of consumers buy based on market share, although indirectly. Besides going by what those around you use, market share also has a direct effect on ecosystem and apps. Apps are one of WP's weak points. Higher market share = more and higher quality apps.
    It's called network effects. My neighbor is using an iPhone, so I'll get an iPhone.
    08-03-2014 01:06 PM
  24. maclancer's Avatar
    If Microsoft put more emphasis in quick upgrades to the latest OS, bypassing the carriers like the iPhone does. WP could be even more attractive to all users. I still love my 1520 but I hate the fact that we are at the mercy of AT&T.
    Laura Knotek and jleebiker like this.
    08-03-2014 01:30 PM
  25. Tjarren's Avatar
    Its not about heading Android or iOS at all. Its about providing a strong viable option. I've uses android and I find WP to be a better user experience, even if it doesn't have all the bells and whistles. The things we have to remember is that Android had several years before it realm took the market, it also helped having Samsung with all their marketing money.

    I think Microsoft knows they cannot kill iOS or Android, however they can influence the market. Both Apple and Google are taking design and developer preview ideas from Microsoft.

    The Mobile is far from over!
    What helped Android more than anything was, at the time, AT&T's iPhone exclusivity. People wanted a smartphone like that and Android phones were available where the iPhone wasn't. If it were Windows Phone that was available at that time instead, things would be very different (though companies like Samsung basically copying the look of the iPhone for the Galaxy series is something WP wouldn't have been able to benefit from).

    Now, what's holding WP back more than anything else imo is two things: 1) negative media obsession and 2) carrier and store sales staff's unfamiliarity and biased disdain. Those are two HUGELY influential pieces that directly affect point-of-sale. The app situation is what it is mostly because of market share (no matter how many tens of millions of customers that share represents, but I digress ...) and the market share will never increase if those two factors continue to work against it. But there is nothing that MS can honestly do about those two situations, so here we are ...
    08-03-2014 01:55 PM
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