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  1. Clive Rennie's Avatar
    Love my L1520 but when Microsoft supports osx with Skype but not wp7 users what r the average users like us to think that ms doesn't believe in their own OS I think its all in the eye of the beholder.hopefully they will find a way to satisfy wp7 users.
    08-09-2014 12:10 PM
  2. maclancer's Avatar
    Love my L1520 but when Microsoft supports osx with Skype but not wp7 users what r the average users like us to think that ms doesn't believe in their own OS I think its all in the eye of the beholder.hopefully they will find a way to satisfy wp7 users.
    I think WP7 is at the end of life or close to. Not much to satisfy these users. They need to move on to WP8 devices or move to another platform. Microsoft is not obligated to support an outdated and crappy OS. WP7 is based on Windows CE which is completely different than WP8 arquitecture. That's why they can't upgrade.
    08-09-2014 12:23 PM
  3. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Love my L1520 but when Microsoft supports osx with Skype but not wp7 users what r the average users like us to think that ms doesn't believe in their own OS I think its all in the eye of the beholder.hopefully they will find a way to satisfy wp7 users.
    I wouldn't count on it, it's a numbers game. They dropped support for Skype on WP7 and Symbian because their bean counters said there aren't enough WP7 & Symbian users to justify adopting the system for 2 additional dead-as-doornail OSes. I love WP7 and the HTC Titan but unfortunately they're ending up as footnotes in the history of great smartphones and their OSes. There should be some plots available right next to WM, webOS and Palm OS to bury these 2.
    08-09-2014 12:27 PM
  4. hidayat225's Avatar
    They could have done a better job of safeguarding their OS regardless of outdated or no... Well they always look at numbers.
    08-09-2014 12:35 PM
  5. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I wouldn't count on it, it's a numbers game. They dropped support for Skype on WP7 and Symbian because their bean counters said there aren't enough WP7 & Symbian users to justify adopting the system for 2 additional dead-as-doornail OSes. I love WP7 and the HTC Titan but unfortunately they're ending up as footnotes in the history of great smartphones and their OSes. There should be some plots available right next to WM, webOS and Palm OS to bury these 2.
    Just wanted to point out that Skype still supports Android 2.3, but not Windows Phone 7.

    Microsoft does often give priority to Android and iOS before Windows Phone and this is apparent with many of their apps like OneDrive or Outlook.

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    08-09-2014 01:58 PM
  6. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    to answer the question-why so much hate for WP
    its because people on the internet(reviewers and xda forums etc) are extra pro-android in a very non healthy way most of the time(not saying android and its users are bad dont get me wrong),people havent used a WP
    just because its is a fairly new OS and some people are ignorant enough to believe these reviewers and blindly follow the stream
    people who left WP because of WP7 limitations still dont understand that WP8 is a totally new OS
    its the same situation with BB10 and BBOS
    frankly i support and love the alternate operating systems all of them-symbian,Meego,Maemo,Ubuntu touch,WP,BB10
    not only does each update have alot to offer but it also feels fresh
    android and ios feel dated and upgrading doesnt bring anything really very tempting to the table
    yes ios 6.1.3 is still my favourite os on my ipad out of all my tablets(till i get my first Windows tablet,only have androids and ipads right now) but as a phone os it feels very limited etc,on the ipad however its perfect
    android is neither here neither there-people have love-hate for it and the android users in my life will never admit androids issues are present
    i hope no one takes my comments negatively,just stated what i noticed about my friends and my gadgets etc
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    08-09-2014 02:12 PM
  7. tgp's Avatar
    Just wanted to point out that Skype still supports Android 2.3, but not Windows Phone 7.
    There are probably more Gingerbread (Android 2.3) devices still in use than WPs sold in their entire history, counting both WP7 & 8. I don't think Microsoft stopped supporting WP7 for technical reasons, but rather because the number of active devices made it not worthwhile anymore.

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    08-09-2014 02:16 PM
  8. Andrea988's Avatar
    There are probably more Gingerbread (Android 2.3) devices still in use than WPs sold in their entire history, counting both WP7 & 8. I don't think Microsoft stopped supporting WP7 for technical reasons, but rather because the number of active devices made it not worthwhile anymore.
    The trouble is it doesn't send out a good signal to those considering buying a Windows phone. I fully understand the relative pointlessness of not continuing to support WP7 - that's not to say I agree with it - but new or potential new users won't realise any of this.

    Ironically we've been having a similar argument all day on another forum with a tech geek who thinks it's entirely justified for Microsoft to keep expecting people to fork out for new operating systems because they have chosen to stop supporting old ones, although it wasn't a debate about WP. I don't. They have made billions from millions of people and businesses all over the world who bought the devices and OS's in good faith, only to find it scrapped a few years down the line. I think if it's that fickle they need to give something back by reducing prices. Tech geek couldn't understand that the bottom line is not to produce the latest cutting edge technology, but to make as much money as possible, same as any other business.
    Last edited by Andrea988; 08-09-2014 at 04:24 PM.
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    08-09-2014 03:09 PM
  9. colinkiama's Avatar
    Please stop with the wp7 talk about skype. 8 and 8.1 users are getting reliable notifications thanks to this. Previously the skype app used peer to peer servers which wp7 could support but with the new servers, wp7 can't support it. It is due to technical limitations. Just let wp7 burn, perish and be forgotten.
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    08-09-2014 03:19 PM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    The trouble is it doesn't send out a good signal to those considering buying a Windows phone. I fully understand the relative pointlessness of not continuing to support WP7 - that's not to say I agree with it - but new or potential new users won't realise any of this.
    Considering that WP7 is hardly heard of anymore, I doubt that dropping Skype support will make any noticeable impact in this regard. And I would think that Microsoft would have considered this effect in their decision.

    Ironically we've been having a similar argument all day on another forum with a tech geek who thinks it's entirely justified for Microsoft to keep expecting people to fork out for new operating systems because they have chosen to stop supporting old ones, although it wasn't a debate about WP. I don't. They have made billions from millions of people and businesses all over the world who bought the devices and OS's in good faith, only to find it scrapped a few years down the line. I think it's it's that fickle they need to give something back by reducing prices.
    We've paid for every new Windows version to date; I'm not sure why we think the next one should be free. It would be nice, but I don't think it should be expected. I don't think Microsoft owes us anything. I personally have never been forced to spend a single penny on Microsoft products. It has always been by choice. What's going to make the situation sticky is if Threshold or a later Windows version is indeed a completely unified OS; meaning that it's the same on the PC, tablet, and phone. Mobile OS updates have always been free. So say Windows 10 is released in a few years and is available for all devices. Does Microsoft make it free for phones and tablets, but charge for it on the PC? I can't see that happening, and fragmentation would occur. OS unification would force the issue.

    Tech geek couldn't understand that the bottom line is not to produce the latest cutting edge technology, but to make as much money as possible, same as any other business.
    I certainly agree with you there. Microsoft's bottom line IS to make as much money as possible, the same as any other business. The reason they strive to produce the latest cutting edge technology is because it will help them make money.
    08-09-2014 03:31 PM
  11. salmanahmad's Avatar
    to answer the question-why so much hate for WP
    its because people on the internet(reviewers and xda forums etc) are extra pro-android in a very non healthy way most of the time(not saying android and its users are bad dont get me wrong),people havent used a WP
    just because its is a fairly new OS and some people are ignorant enough to believe these reviewers and blindly follow the stream
    people who left WP because of WP7 limitations still dont understand that WP8 is a totally new OS
    its the same situation with BB10 and BBOS
    frankly i support and love the alternate operating systems all of them-symbian,Meego,Maemo,Ubuntu touch,WP,BB10
    not only does each update have alot to offer but it also feels fresh
    android and ios feel dated and upgrading doesnt bring anything really very tempting to the table
    yes ios 6.1.3 is still my favourite os on my ipad out of all my tablets(till i get my first Windows tablet,only have androids and ipads right now) but as a phone os it feels very limited etc,on the ipad however its perfect
    android is neither here neither there-people have love-hate for it and the android users in my life will never admit androids issues are present
    i hope no one takes my comments negatively,just stated what i noticed about my friends and my gadgets etc
    Android and iOS don't feel dated, we'll iOS kind of does. But as far as Android goes Android Kitkat was a pretty big visual overhaul and Android L is an even bigger one. Infact iOS and Android have changed more than the original Windows Phone OS, so this argument is invalid.

    As far as reviewers go, most good reviewers are very balanced and do appreciate when a good device is made. The criticism done on Windows Phone is not the hardware being utilized(which reviewers usually love) but the fact that Windows Phone isn't optimized or the app ecosystem isn't advanced enough to take advantage of the hardware.

    The only thing Windows Phone, primarily Nokia has going for it is the camera. I have seen countless times where the Verge, Pocketnow and Marques Brownlee have said that the Lumia range have the best shooters, especially in lowlight.

    But the amazing cameras aren't the only things to justify the price and honestly Windows Phone lacks quality and functionality in a lot of the apps, and don't get me started on the games which are entirely not there or have much worse graphics than the Android/iOS counterparts.

    Windows Phone needs to step up and offer better features in their own OS, and they are very far off from beating Android and iOS which got years ahead of experience.

    But your reasons for why WP is hated is wrong, reviewers are balanced, most are at least.

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    08-09-2014 03:35 PM
  12. fatclue_98's Avatar
    But your reasons for why WP is hated is wrong, reviewers are balanced, most are at least.
    Are you serious? I'm not going to respond beyond that because I fear I'll be inviting something even more incredulous.
    08-09-2014 04:05 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    But your reasons for why WP is hated is wrong, reviewers are balanced, most are at least.
    hahahahahahahaha
    08-09-2014 04:15 PM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    hahahahahahahaha
    Read the lumia 930 reviews. Some of the reasons for cons are stupid. nano SIM is a con, even though the iPhone has a nano sim and no one complains. Uninspired design because it's not the same polycarbonate 920 and 930 design. Samesung doesn't change much with their s phone. Nobody cared. Specs are from last year? It's a windows phone, its optimised like an iphone. No need for the latest proccesor. They will say anything to keep the score lower than iphones and androids.
    08-09-2014 04:29 PM
  15. Andrea988's Avatar
    We've paid for every new Windows version to date; I'm not sure why we think the next one should be free
    I'm not saying we shouldn't pay for the latest version but that support should be available for as long as it is needed for an older OS if it is still used by millions of people around the world (such as XP). MS are stopping support on the premise that the newer versions are more secure.

    As true as that might be, I do not believe that they are ending support because they can't get the better of those who have found their way around the security flaws (if they can't then perhaps they should be employing the hackers) but because they want you to spend more money on the new products. I'm thinking more in terms of businesses rather than you and me. I'm thinking of a local owner of a small number of stores who has spent tens of thousands on a new point of sale system because MS are soon to end support of the old one.

    As he said at a recent meeting, "We're being forced to buy a new system that doesn't do anything that the old system doesn't do, on the premise that the new one is more secure and is supported if we need the support. Why can't they just support the old one for as long as we need it? We paid them enough! It wouldn't happen with anything else, we can still get parts for our 12 year old vans and our 20 year old lifts..."
    08-09-2014 04:33 PM
  16. Andrea988's Avatar
    08-09-2014 04:36 PM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I'm not saying we shouldn't pay for the latest version but that support should be available for as long as it is needed for an older OS if it is still used by millions of people around the world (such as XP). MS are stopping support on the premise that the newer versions are more secure.

    As true as that might be, I do not believe that they are ending support because they can't get the better of those who have found their way around the security flaws (if they can't then perhaps they should be employing the hackers) but because they want you to spend more money on the new products. I'm thinking more in terms of businesses rather than you and me. I'm thinking of a local owner of a small number of stores who has spent tens of thousands on a new point of sale system because MS are soon to end support of the old one.

    As he said at a recent meeting, "We're being forced to buy a new system that doesn't do anything that the old system doesn't do, on the premise that the new one is more secure and is supported if we need the support. Why can't they just support the old one for as long as we need it? We paid them enough! It wouldn't happen with anything else, we can still get parts for our 12 year old vans and our 20 year old lifts..."

    XP needed to die. It is almost 13 years old. Continuing to provide security updates for a 13 year-old OS is like expecting a manufacturers' warranty on a 13 year-old clunker of a car.
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    08-09-2014 04:38 PM
  18. salmanahmad's Avatar
    Are you serious? I'm not going to respond beyond that because I fear I'll be inviting something even more incredulous.
    Well I said "most" but to prove it I would recommend watching Marques Brownlee's reviews of the Lumia 920, 1020 and 1520.

    Or watch Pocketnow's review and After the Buzz about Lumia 1020 and 1520.

    Or go read the Verge, techradar, phonearena, gsmarena, endadget and a dozen other places, mostly you will find balanced reviews of Windows Phone.

    Infact some sites like Pocketnow have people saying that wished all camera sensors we're as good as the 1020 41 MP Beast. Plus Pocketnow's Micheal Fisher owns a Lumia 1020 and they also have a dedicated Windows Phone expert, Adam Z Lein.

    I've also seen them go out of their way to complement Windows Phone, while watching a camera comparison of the Galaxy S5 vs HTC One M8 the host said something along these lines:

    "Neither the M8 or S5 excel at lowlight, if you do a lot of lowlight photography you are better off with a high-end Lumia."

    So other than just giving ignorant responses try to come up with proof to back up your statements, I've never seen reputable reviewers criticize Windows Phone where it's not justified.
    hahahahahahahaha
    Being the OP you should at least show a higher level of maturity, starting this thread you knew that people we're going to come up with theories and other people we're going to disagree and come up with their own responses.

    Funny how you talk about other people being narrow minded about trying Windows Phone while you simply reply with a 'hahahah' when someone else comes up with a theory.

    Let me tell you something when I tried to convince other people to switch to Windows Phone. They had the same reaction as you.

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    08-09-2014 04:40 PM
  19. Andrea988's Avatar
    XP needed to die. It is almost 13 years old. Continuing to provide security updates for a 13 year-old OS is like expecting a manufacturers' warranty on a 13 year-old clunker of a car.
    The thing is that the main reason is the cost of maintaining something they made billions out of, far more profit in having people pay all those billions all over again than spend some of the billions they made in providing a service. Given the number of people still using it. it's not right and that's the point.
    08-09-2014 04:51 PM
  20. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    The thing is that the main reason is the cost of maintaining something they made billions out of, far more profit in having people pay all those billions all over again than spend some of the billions they made in providing a service. Given the number of people still using it. it's not right and that's the point.

    Those users got complacent due to the unusually long support. Microsoft never supported other versions of Windows that long.

    I wouldn't expect a 13 year-old OS to be supported any more than a 13 year-old car.
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    08-09-2014 04:56 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well I said "most" but to prove it I would recommend watching Marques Brownlee's reviews of the Lumia 920, 1020 and 1520.

    Or watch Pocketnow's review and After the Buzz about Lumia 1020 and 1520.

    Or go read the Verge, techradar, phonearena, gsmarena, endadget and a dozen other places, mostly you will find balanced reviews of Windows Phone.

    Infact some sites like Pocketnow have people saying that wished all camera sensors we're as good as the 1020 41 MP Beast. Plus Pocketnow's Micheal Fisher owns a Lumia 1020 and they also have a dedicated Windows Phone expert, Adam Z Lein.

    I've also seen them go out of their way to complement Windows Phone, while watching a camera comparison of the Galaxy S5 vs HTC One M8 the host said something along these lines:

    "Neither the M8 or S5 excel at lowlight, if you do a lot of lowlight photography you are better off with a high-end Lumia."

    So other than just giving ignorant responses try to come up with proof to back up your statements, I've never seen reputable reviewers criticize Windows Phone where it's not justified.

    Being the OP you should at least show a higher level of maturity, starting this thread you knew that people we're going to come up with theories and other people we're going to disagree and come up with their own responses.

    Funny how you talk about other people being narrow minded about trying Windows Phone while you simply reply with a 'hahahah' when someone else comes up with a theory.

    Let me tell you something when I tried to convince other people to switch to Windows Phone. They had the same reaction as you.

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    Every example you mentioned is a review of a particular device that runs WP. Look for articles regarding the OS itself and it might as well be the comments section on a WPCentral thread regarding lack of customization, ugly live tiles or any one of the hundred bellyaches that former Android users spew. As Judge Judy would say, "your objections are noted and overruled, now get out!"
    08-09-2014 06:14 PM
  22. Andrea988's Avatar
    Those users got complacent due to the unusually long support. Microsoft never supported other versions of Windows that long.

    I wouldn't expect a 13 year-old OS to be supported any more than a 13 year-old car.
    You're missing the point. According to an article in one of the PC magazines recently, at least 30% of the world;s PCs are still running XP and the figure is far higher for business users. Can you name a 13 year old car that 30%+ of the world's population are still driving?

    Besides, you need to take the date from when XP was LAST sold, not when it was first sold and that was far more recently. According to Wikipedia:

    "Sales of Windows XP licenses to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) ceased on June 30, 2008, but continued for netbooks until October 2010...." - some of those netbooks were still on general sale to the public in early 2012 and that paints a very different picture that the misguided "13 year old" one.
    08-09-2014 06:19 PM
  23. fatclue_98's Avatar
    You're missing the point. According to an article in one of the PC magazines recently, at least 30% of the world;s PCs are still running XP and the figure is far higher for business users. Can you name a 13 year old car that 30%+ of the world's population are still driving?

    Besides, you need to take the date from when XP was LAST sold, not when it was first sold and that was far more recently. According to Wikipedia:

    "Sales of Windows XP licenses to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) ceased on June 30, 2008, but continued for netbooks until October 2010...." - some of those netbooks were still on general sale to the public in early 2012 and that paints a very different picture that the misguided "13 year old" one.
    I think you are the one who missed the point. You're assuming that those computers were all purchased 13 years ago. What Laura meant was that XP was supported for an unusually long time as compared to other systems and other OS makers.
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    08-09-2014 07:04 PM
  24. djeire84's Avatar
    Give it time Windows Phone OS is getting stronger and stronger, with each new update its providing more features. I had an Android and was so unhappy with it, slow and boring. My sisters have the iPhone and they are breaking their hearts over the new update, freezing and such.

    Remember me saying this Android and iPhone will become obsolete and WP will be the victor. Slow and steady wins the race. Windows has great phone manufacturers under them too, indestructible Nokia, dependable HTC so like Windows has a powerhouse!!

    Sent from my Lumia 520 via Windows Phone Central app
    08-09-2014 10:00 PM
  25. djeire84's Avatar
    Windows Xp service pack two was the best operating system Microsoft ever made. I'm from the Windows 98 generation. Loved it that's why I'm a technology obsessed nut lol. Mr. Gates your an absolute legend of a man!!!!
    Last edited by djeire84; 08-09-2014 at 10:22 PM.
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    08-09-2014 10:04 PM
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