- Jas00555Retired AmbassadorI'm honestly surprised its not lower than that. There haven't been hardly any new released phones from hardly any OEM in a very long time. This quarter is definitely a random dip caused by dumb decisions and calls from the company formerly known as Nokia plus no great pieces of hardware from any other WP OEM. The fact that there have been so many new phones launched/announced means that numbers like this won't happen again.
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Laura Knotek likes this.08-03-2014 03:56 PMLike 1 - Share
- Numbers don't actually mean anything without the underlying strategy of each company taken into account. In the days of RIM when the numbers were tumbling the company was doing stupid things and everyone could see what was happening. Investors don't look at snapshot figures on their own, they study the company and make decisions based on information and projections. Satya is leading and shaping the business to be in a position to exploit the new OS, the new 7 billion dollar investment (Nokia Devices) and taking the fight to the other 2 using the MS strengths in innovation, IP and existing (MASSIVE) user base of Windows.
Good times are coming, I have so much confidence that me and my partner have decided to become developers, learn C# so we can really exploit the opportunity that we can clearly see.08-03-2014 05:40 PMLike 0 - Now that the 530, 635, and 930 are available I hope we see some turnaround in market share. But with all the phones flooding the market Microsoft may have stepped on their **** by taking so long. If they could ever get some acceptance I think people would see they have a good product and the best overall system (computer, tablet, phone). Would love to see a 830, 935 to help things out. The long delay in getting 8.1out has not helped matters either. People do not like waiting.
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- Now that the 530, 635, and 930 are available I hope we see some turnaround in market share. But with all the phones flooding the market Microsoft may have stepped on their **** by taking so long. If they could ever get some acceptance I think people would see they have a good product and the best overall system (computer, tablet, phone). Would love to see a 830, 935 to help things out. The long delay in getting 8.1out has not helped matters either. People do not like waiting.
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DoctorSaline and phirefly like this.08-04-2014 01:13 AMLike 2 - Share
- Factors that explain it:
*Because of the acquisition, Nokia didn't have any incentives to invest in their Devices unit.
*People waiting for 8.1.
*Motorola selling under the costs in the only segment where WP actually exists, thanks to Google's money.
*The growth of smaller local OEMs.
*The growth of the Chinese market where WP has less than 1% of market share.
*Better performance of Android in low end hardware.
What could improve in the next few quarters.
*The acquisition is completed, Microsoft cut the grass and is ready to invest in WP.
*8.1 is out and is great.
*Lenovo won't swallow the big Motorola's loses once the acquisition is completed.
*WP is free and many local OEMs are building WPs.
*Xiao Na is too cute, China will love her.
*8.1 is even better in low end hardware.
The next few quarters are decisive. WP could die, or could finally take off.- Share
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Great deal likes this.08-04-2014 01:18 AMLike 1 - Share
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Yes the devices are inferior.
Yes there is nothing amazing coming out over the next few months.
Yes MS have made fantastic decisions in order to be ultra competitive.
Yes we will see amazing OS/Hardware from MS when its ready.
Yes we have to be patient and if not then MS is not stopping anyone joining other platforms.- Share
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08-04-2014 05:16 AMLike 2 - Share
- Wont happen with these device. All these are from the old Nokia roadmap, the new stuff from MS will be released properly with the next version of Windows. Everything between now and then will be a stop gap measure with half hearted support. You cant make a mobile phone in a month, 2 months, 3 months etc it takes much longer and its not been long since MS purchased Nokia. In fact the transition is still taking place and until that has completed then and only then will we see what MS are capable of. Windows 8.1 has been a flop for Microsoft, Threshold will be the one that business transition to and adopt Windows Phone as well. 2015 is the year MS will truly compete with Apple and Android.
This 'next version of Windows' is the one argument is malarkey. Now it is 2015? Before it was 2013, 2012.... This is getting stale.
Also phones take a lot longer then when threshold is supposedly coming so even if we see a phone then it will either be the best they can do by then or a modified version of a phone that was in the pipeline. Not the MS dream phone we all want.08-04-2014 12:09 PMLike 0 - This 'next version of Windows' is the one argument is malarkey. Now it is 2015? Before it was 2013, 2012.... This is getting stale.
Also phones take a lot longer then when threshold is supposedly coming so even if we see a phone then it will either be the best they can do by then or a modified version of a phone that was in the pipeline. Not the MS dream phone we all want.
http://forums.windowscentral.com/app...n-returns.html
I invest in companies now and then, Microsoft is a good bet.- Share
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DoctorSaline likes this.08-04-2014 03:33 PMLike 1 - Share
- Yep they know that and as they are working on building their own hardware, the 530/630/930 and likely the 1525 if real, are all old Nokia roadmap devices, nothing to do with MS. They had one option and that is to not release any of them however with the money already invested that decision would not make sense.
Yes the devices are inferior.
Yes there is nothing amazing coming out over the next few months.
Yes MS have made fantastic decisions in order to be ultra competitive.
Yes we will see amazing OS/Hardware from MS when its ready.
Yes we have to be patient and if not then MS is not stopping anyone joining other platforms.
With all your cheerleading for Microsoft - do you ever look at where most of their revenue comes from? It's from things like "Commercial Licensing" which is basically volume licenses of enterprise software, which has F-all to do with phones. Ask yourself why consumers have bought 2 billion Android + iPhones in the last 5 years and only 45-50 million Windows Phones.
2 billion > 45 million
That's 2000 million to 45 million. Approx 20 times more. 20 to 1. Reflected in 2.7% global marketshare.08-06-2014 04:16 AMLike 0 - We all know android build its success on Samsung's shoulders. And even Samsung is struggling to hold its ground. Just as people can jump ship from WP to competitive platforms, people can come from other platforms to WP. Then there are newer generations and first time smartphone buyers. And, as it is already mentioned before, there hasn't been any recent device to come out lately which amounts to dip in sales and recent devices are from old Nokia's pipelines. True Microsoft branded devices will come after Windows Threshold release. And although future looks bleak now, if anyone has any doubt about Microsoft's strategy regarding WP, just look at the amount of features WP8.1 and WP8.1 update 1 brought and the speed with which WP team is working currently. Perseverance is the key here and I for once am sticking with Microsoft.
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BilalSoomro17 and Great deal like this.08-06-2014 04:37 AMLike 2 - Share
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- Sorry but I'm not buying that line any more. I'm probably going to buy an iPhone 6 in October/November after I've tried out Android L for a bit on my Nexus 5. Unless some super hero Windows Phone shows up miraculously in October/November I'm done with WP forever.
With all your cheerleading for Microsoft - do you ever look at where most of their revenue comes from? It's from things like "Commercial Licensing" which is basically volume licenses of enterprise software, which has F-all to do with phones. Ask yourself why consumers have bought 2 billion Android + iPhones in the last 5 years and only 45-50 million Windows Phones.
2 billion > 45 million
That's 2000 million to 45 million. Approx 20 times more. 20 to 1. Reflected in 2.7% global marketshare.- Share
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Great deal likes this.08-06-2014 04:48 AMLike 1 - Share
- Sorry but I'm not buying that line any more. I'm probably going to buy an iPhone 6 in October/November after I've tried out Android L for a bit on my Nexus 5. Unless some super hero Windows Phone shows up miraculously in October/November I'm done with WP forever.
With all your cheerleading for Microsoft - do you ever look at where most of their revenue comes from? It's from things like "Commercial Licensing" which is basically volume licenses of enterprise software, which has F-all to do with phones. Ask yourself why consumers have bought 2 billion Android + iPhones in the last 5 years and only 45-50 million Windows Phones.
2 billion > 45 million
That's 2000 million to 45 million. Approx 20 times more. 20 to 1. Reflected in 2.7% global marketshare.08-06-2014 04:52 AMLike 0 - Just look few months ago Wp had No Notification Centre or anything to compete with Other Platforms but now after few months it have almost all the things. WP team has started Working fast and All the features they add in Wp look better than same Features On IOS and Android. Example is Live Folders. I am Sticking with Microsoft forever
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k72 likes this.08-06-2014 04:53 AMLike 1 - Share
- wait for Q3. That will show us if 8.1 helped the platform or not.
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BilalSoomro17 and Great deal like this.08-06-2014 04:56 AMLike 2 - Share
- Sorry but I'm not buying that line any more. I'm probably going to buy an iPhone 6 in October/November after I've tried out Android L for a bit on my Nexus 5. Unless some super hero Windows Phone shows up miraculously in October/November I'm done with WP forever.
With all your cheerleading for Microsoft - do you ever look at where most of their revenue comes from? It's from things like "Commercial Licensing" which is basically volume licenses of enterprise software, which has F-all to do with phones. Ask yourself why consumers have bought 2 billion Android + iPhones in the last 5 years and only 45-50 million Windows Phones.
2 billion > 45 million
That's 2000 million to 45 million. Approx 20 times more. 20 to 1. Reflected in 2.7% global marketshare.
Anyways good luck with the iPhone.08-06-2014 06:59 AMLike 0 - The answer to that will be no as well. 8.1 is a transition to close the gap, Threshold will be the real yardstick from which to measure market share (IF MS don't screw it up) so If Threshold comes out in Q2 of 2015 the user adoption will be low as no doubt there will be bugs to Iron out and enterprise will not jump immediately without having tested everything so realistically Q4 of 2015 or Q1 of 2016 will reveal the true numbers.08-06-2014 07:05 AMLike 0
- The answer to that will be no as well. 8.1 is a transition to close the gap, Threshold will be the real yardstick from which to measure market share (IF MS don't screw it up) so If Threshold comes out in Q2 of 2015 the user adoption will be low as no doubt there will be bugs to Iron out and enterprise will not jump immediately without having tested everything so realistically Q4 of 2015 or Q1 of 2016 will reveal the true numbers.
I'm not so sure about that. There are changes that could improve sales.
The new strategy for Lumias is cheaper phones with lower specs.
8.1 added many features. Cortana helps with free marketing.
The new OEMs. For example, Micromax has 20% of market share in India.
If Microsoft reach 4% market share (12 million units) with 8.1, I'd call that a success. A 5% (15 million) would be a major success.
It's a shame that the L530, the more important device, will have only one month of sales in Q3. Anyways the impact should be reflected in the numbers.08-06-2014 09:51 AMLike 0 - I'm not so sure about that. There are changes that could improve sales.
The new strategy for Lumias is cheaper phones with lower specs.
8.1 added many features. Cortana helps with free marketing.
The new OEMs. For example, Micromax has 20% of market share in India.
If Microsoft reach 4% market share (12 million units) with 8.1, I'd call that a success. A 5% (15 million) would be a major success.
It's a shame that the L530, the more important device, will have only one month of sales in Q3. Anyways the impact should be reflected in the numbers.08-06-2014 10:08 AMLike 0 - The low end devices are aimed (mainly) at countries where the cost makes sense however in the western world MS wants to compete with Apple and Android (as well as the low end market). How many iPhone + Android users are there vs new smartphone users in western world.08-06-2014 12:15 PMLike 0
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