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  1. skstrials's Avatar
    I agree that the limitation is in the hardware, but my reasoning might be a bit different than the most of the users.

    None of the Nokia flagship phones have user replaceable batteries. For a person who keeps the phone for 3 years before replacing, I know that the battery is the first one to go, as the current lithium batteries start to show its age at the 1 year mark. And I am happy to use a bit of screw drivers to get the battery out, but the Nokia designs do not even allow that. They are extremely hard to be serviced afterwards.

    For instance, Nokia N8, even though it had a sealed in battery, that battery was easily removable. I am not even asking for a full Samsung like removable battery.

    Until Nokia improves its serviceability in their designs, I won't be picking up any Windows Phones anytime soon.
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    08-21-2014 05:31 PM
  2. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Thanks for that. But maybe you could help explain the situation in the US so that the rest of us can understand it?
    There's nothing for me to explain. Carriers here work pretty much as you described. As I said, there is a notion among many here in the US that the Federal government interferes too much in the affairs of the private sector. I don't applaud or condemn this view, people can think what they wish. Personally, I don't do contracts with carriers so I could care less what shenanigans they pull. If their service suits me, I'm in. If they don't, I go elsewhere. I port out at least 3 or 4 times a year whenever there's a better deal. That's the luxury of being off contract. Right now, AT&T has my business but Verizon has dropped their pants as well as their prices so.......
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    08-21-2014 06:19 PM
  3. anony_mouse's Avatar
    There's nothing for me to explain. Carriers here work pretty much as you described.
    Thank you for the explanation.

    Verizon has dropped their pants
    ????
    08-22-2014 02:06 AM
  4. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    Thank you for the explanation.
    I know I'm European like you but I wouldn't advise you to settle with that (non) answer. If it was like you described, you wouldn't hear people constantly moan about carrier exclusives. For instance I doubt you can walk into a Verizon store, buy an unlocked M8 and use it on AT&T or T-mobile. You could do that here in the UK and probably wherever you live. Best to ask someone who is actually interested in giving you a proper answer.
    08-22-2014 03:54 AM
  5. AG VK's Avatar
    Honstly, I've lost respect for these popular multibillion dollar services which either ain't developing for WP or if they are, that is bad quality, like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat, Soundcloud, Google maps, Youtube. And honestly if MS ever came out with native apps on its platform as an alternative, I'm totally jumping ship from them. Business strategy or not, there is no pretext for ignoring 2.4% which actually forms millions of people. And although they have millions of dollars of business, they can't reassign some of it to develop for millions of people. F*** them.
    Clearly you understand nothing about software development or about business in general. Even if I have billions, why would I spend even one dollar developing a WP app if I do not see any reason to expect that this $1 will give me at least $0.01 profit? It's stupid and you should try to understand before running off at the mouth, just because you're pissed that the phone you bought does not give you access to services you deem desirable. You should change your platform or shut up. I'd prefer the latter, FYI.
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    08-22-2014 04:44 AM
  6. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I know I'm European like you but I wouldn't advise you to settle with that (non) answer. If it was like you described, you wouldn't hear people constantly moan about carrier exclusives. For instance I doubt you can walk into a Verizon store, buy an unlocked M8 and use it on AT&T or T-mobile. You could do that here in the UK and probably wherever you live. Best to ask someone who is actually interested in giving you a proper answer.
    Well, I'd be happy to hear a more complete explanation if someone will provide one. :-)

    I am particularly curious about the common complaint that phone X is not coming to network Y. If you really want phone X, why not move to a network that will give it to you, or get a SIM only contract that allows you to buy the phone you want? I assume there is a good reason but I don't know what it is.
    (I realise that things are not quite so simple, especially with Verizon (?) whose network uses some unusual CDMA technology... But I think AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM/3G/LTE, right?)
    08-22-2014 05:06 AM
  7. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I know I'm European like you but I wouldn't advise you to settle with that (non) answer. If it was like you described, you wouldn't hear people constantly moan about carrier exclusives. For instance I doubt you can walk into a Verizon store, buy an unlocked M8 and use it on AT&T or T-mobile. You could do that here in the UK and probably wherever you live. Best to ask someone who is actually interested in giving you a proper answer.
    I answered his question to his satisfaction. Who are you to decide if it's a non answer?

    To answer your query, if you purchase a carrier unlocked device at full retail and the frequencies are compatible with another's, then yes it'll work. Why should the government get involved with carrier exclusives? It really makes no sense.


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    08-22-2014 08:27 AM
  8. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    You should change your platform or shut up. I'd prefer the latter, FYI.
    Clearly, you chewed on your own preferences.
    08-22-2014 08:44 AM
  9. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Well, I'd be happy to hear a more complete explanation if someone will provide one. :-)

    I am particularly curious about the common complaint that phone X is not coming to network Y. If you really want phone X, why not move to a network that will give it to you, or get a SIM only contract that allows you to buy the phone you want? I assume there is a good reason but I don't know what it is.
    (I realise that things are not quite so simple, especially with Verizon (?) whose network uses some unusual CDMA technology... But I think AT&T and T-Mobile use GSM/3G/LTE, right?)
    Verizon uses LTE on all their phones. They've been on SIMs for a few years now but they still have CDMA fallback. Many of their phones also have GSM UMTS for overseas travel and some (L822) also have US HSPA frequencies. Verizon sells all their phones unlocked because of a spectrum deal they made with the FCC, so if you slip a SIM from another operator that accepts the device's bands, it will work. At worst you'll be on EDGE.

    Sprint, on the other hand, is not as magnanimous. Fact is, Sprint just blows.
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    08-22-2014 06:22 PM
  10. smoledman's Avatar
    I disagree. For myself personally I would definitely switch back to Windows Phone if 2 apps happened:

    * GMail
    * Youtube

    both at the same quality level as the apps on Android. That would be the clincher for me because I already love the Live Tile interface with the update(Live Folders, transparency), app list, Cortana, Action Center, Visual Voicemail.

    But those 2 damn Google apps.
    08-23-2014 02:28 AM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I disagree. For myself personally I would definitely switch back to Windows Phone if 2 apps happened:

    * GMail
    * Youtube

    both at the same quality level as the apps on Android. That would be the clincher for me because I already love the Live Tile interface with the update(Live Folders, transparency), app list, Cortana, Action Center, Visual Voicemail.

    But those 2 damn Google apps.
    I don't use YouTube on a mobile device so I can't comment but what is the big deal with Gmail? Is it the service or the app? I find the app irritating beyond belief. The standard mail app in Android is worlds better. At least since they stole the Enyo sliding panels from webOS. Thank you Matias Duarte.


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    08-23-2014 11:09 AM
  12. smoledman's Avatar
    I want a native GMail app so I can browse my labels. Another thing blocking me is the crappy state of the XBox Music app. Not only is it buggy beyond belief, but no music locker capability. I use Google Music mainly because I can stream my entire music library regardless of whether tracks match the online catalog. I heard MS is thinking about it, but I need that. The mobile Youtube site looks usable, so that might be fine.

    So at this point the one thing really blocking me is the lack of music locker.
    08-23-2014 01:13 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I want a native GMail app so I can browse my labels. Another thing blocking me is the crappy state of the XBox Music app. Not only is it buggy beyond belief, but no music locker capability. I use Google Music mainly because I can stream my entire music library regardless of whether tracks match the online catalog. I heard MS is thinking about it, but I need that. The mobile Youtube site looks usable, so that might be fine.

    So at this point the one thing really blocking me is the lack of music locker.
    Labels, lockers - you may as well be speaking in Russian. I prefer Outlook since I got spoiled with WM6.5 and the 2nd best mobile mail client ever. Gmail was ok a few years ago but this new UI doesn't do it for me.


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    08-23-2014 03:59 PM
  14. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Back in the WP7-Mango days it was pretty obvious why the OS wasn't successful: it was missing many features and the app gap was massive. Nowadays, most of the important features are there (Digital Assistant, Folders, Notification Centre...) and the app gap is lessening. Yes the app gap still exists, anyone denying this is a fool but because many official apps are now available I would say most people could carry a WP as their daily driver. So why don't they? The obvious answer for me is hardware. Sure Nokia has released some great phones over the last 2 years but let's be honest, they are all rehashed designs, improved iterations of the Lumia 800. I can already hear the screams about Apple and Samsung doing the exact same thing but the thing is Apple is in a world of its own so you can't really compare to them. They could sell 50 toothpicks and get away with it. As for Samsung, sure they keep the same design but every new phone comes with its own suit of new (albeit mostly useless) features that look great on TV or at the phone shop. But more importantly, from a user's perspective, if you don't like the Galaxy S5 design you can go with the HTC One, Xperia Z or LG G3. If you don't like the Lumia design, what are you left with? Well, you're left with checking out the android line-up.
    Some will blame the employees in the aforementioned phone shops but really can you blame them? On one end you could present your customer with 4-5 state of the art phones or on the other end you could convince them to go with that Nokia phone that's mostly the same as that other one but takes better pictures unless they want that old HTC/Samsung phone that may or may not be still supported. What would you do?
    I'm not even going to enter the mess that is the American carrier business but the bottom line is this: more than additional official apps, Windows Phone needs to bring back Samsung and LG so they release truly modern and feature packed high phones like they are on android. They also need to get Sony on board and HTC committed beyond the HTC One W8. Great hardware sells and great sales attract developers. It's up to Microsoft to sell that message to other OEMs.
    disagreed
    only android suffers from a low hardware problem,all other operating systems work fine on low hardware as well
    app gap ,"poor" hardware,lack of features ,lack of customisation and changing launchers is a huuge fad and massively overhyped
    android is the wannabe symbian + meego +maemo + ios,it tries to achieve stuff like all OS's but fails because an "all round os"doesnt exist
    ios and wp make for better phones than android because of better optimisation and hence high end hardware isnt necessary

    a good example is people using a i5 2500k still dont upgrade their cpu because its still got power left in it, a 10% theoretical performance increase per gen isnt enough to switch
    08-24-2014 09:47 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I disagree. For myself personally I would definitely switch back to Windows Phone if 2 apps happened:

    * GMail
    * Youtube

    both at the same quality level as the apps on Android. That would be the clincher for me because I already love the Live Tile interface with the update(Live Folders, transparency), app list, Cortana, Action Center, Visual Voicemail.

    But those 2 damn Google apps.
    theres an app called youtube HD much better than youtubes official apps on other platforms
    08-24-2014 09:48 AM
  16. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    Labels, lockers - you may as well be speaking in Russian. I prefer Outlook since I got spoiled with WM6.5 and the 2nd best mobile mail client ever. Gmail was ok a few years ago but this new UI doesn't do it for me.


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    I can't wrap my head around GMail, either. Seriously, its design just makes me facapalm sometimes.

    Think of labels as an improved version of Categories on Outlook.com, but made central to the email service.
    A music locker is a pages where you upload your own music, so you can stream them any time you want to.

    As for YouTube, myTube is a fantastic app.
    08-24-2014 10:15 AM
  17. WanderingTraveler's Avatar
    disagreed
    only android suffers from a low hardware problem,all other operating systems work fine on low hardware as well
    app gap ,"poor" hardware,lack of features ,lack of customisation and changing launchers is a huuge fad and massively overhyped
    android is the wannabe symbian + meego +maemo + ios,it tries to achieve stuff like all OS's but fails because an "all round os"doesnt exist
    ios and wp make for better phones than android because of better optimisation and hence high end hardware isnt necessary

    a good example is people using a i5 2500k still dont upgrade their cpu because its still got power left in it, a 10% theoretical performance increase per gen isnt enough to switch
    I don't know about that. Android 4.4 did a fantastic job at optimization, and L looks to take that one step further
    08-24-2014 10:16 AM
  18. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    disagreed

    only android suffers from a low hardware problem,all other operating systems work fine on low hardware as well

    app gap ,"poor" hardware,lack of features ,lack of customisation and changing launchers is a huuge fad and massively overhyped

    android is the wannabe symbian + meego +maemo + ios,it tries to achieve stuff like all OS's but fails because an "all round os"doesnt exist

    ios and wp make for better phones than android because of better optimisation and hence high end hardware isnt necessary



    a good example is people using a i5 2500k still dont upgrade their cpu because its still got power left in it, a 10% theoretical performance increase per gen isnt enough to switch

    And yet another one who doesn't get that hardware doesn't always mean specs. Clearly my post is about lack of hardware CHOICE, I feel like people are just skimming through it. There's plenty of choice on Android while on WP you only get a choice of Lumias who are all based on the same design (before the M8 anyway).
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    08-24-2014 10:19 AM
  19. matty032's Avatar
    This thread is kinda irrelevant. You are talking about phones being the same looking that Nokia made. So the need for other OEM's to get on board to provide variety. MS just bought out Nokia. I doubt they will stick to the Lumia 800 clone look, that we have been stuck with since Nokia got on board with WP. I expect MS to come out with a Surface look a like phone. Yes, we do need variety in the hardware side of WP, but I expect that to be less of an issue going forward. I view the biggest issue for WP, as the sales people at the stores, and peer pressure.
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    08-24-2014 11:11 AM
  20. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    How is it different if all WPs look like Surfaces rather than Lumias? Isn't it more appealing to both sales people and customers when there's a wide variety of devices to pick from? Picture a shelf with a One plus One, M8, Xperia, Galaxy, G3, all running WP8.1. Do you really think that wouldn't get people excited?
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    08-24-2014 11:38 AM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I can't wrap my head around GMail, either. Seriously, its design just makes me facapalm sometimes.

    Think of labels as an improved version of Categories on Outlook.com, but made central to the email service.
    A music locker is a pages where you upload your own music, so you can stream them any time you want to.

    As for YouTube, myTube is a fantastic app.
    So I've been mistakenly calling a "locker" an SD card all these years? JK, thanks for the 411.
    08-24-2014 12:50 PM
  22. fatclue_98's Avatar
    And yet another one who doesn't get that hardware doesn't always mean specs. Clearly my post is about lack of hardware CHOICE, I feel like people are just skimming through it. There's plenty of choice on Android while on WP you only get a choice of Lumias who are all based on the same design (before the M8 anyway).
    So HTCs, Huaweis and Samsungs are not WP devices? Considering that WP doesn't have the penetration that Android does, that's pretty good.
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    08-24-2014 12:55 PM
  23. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    How old are the 8X and Ativ S? What was Huaweis high end device that I missed? It's only now with the M8 that we finally get some variety.
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    08-24-2014 01:36 PM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    How old are the 8X and Ativ S? What was Huaweis high end device that I missed? It's only now with the M8 that we finally get some variety.
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    I wasn't aware that the conversation turned to high end devices only. BTW, the Ativ SE is definitely a high end device and was released this past spring. I know you have a chubby for carrier exclusives but it doesn't change the fact that it is a non-Lumia flagship.
    08-24-2014 04:07 PM
  25. Tahiti Bob's Avatar
    The conversation was always about high end, the phones I name in the OP are high end. Other commenters extended it to low end. Ok I'll give you that, the Ativ SE was released recently enough exclusively for one carrier in the whole world. Great.
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    08-24-2014 06:23 PM
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