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  1. colinkiama's Avatar
    ...you do realize 32-bit code can be run, perfectly fine, on 64-bit hardware, right...
    But 64bit code can't run well on 32bit hardware.
    08-08-2014 08:10 PM
  2. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    But 64bit code can't run well on 32bit hardware.
    When the time comes that 64bit is needed (to support 4GB+ memory), MS will probably just have a 32bit and 64bit versions of whatever version of WP is current at that time. Devices will just use whichever matches the hardware in that device. At the application level it won't matter too much. There are abstraction layers between the OS and apps that handle the required translations. It should have little or no impact on 3rd party developers.

    This is how it was done with Windows when x86 transitioned from 32 to 64 bit. It's the same thing Apple is doing with iOS8.
    08-08-2014 08:29 PM
  3. colinkiama's Avatar
    When the time comes that 64bit is needed (to support 4GB+ memory), MS will probably just have a 32bit and 64bit versions of whatever version of WP is current at that time. Devices will just use whichever matches the hardware in that device. At the application level it won't matter too much. There are abstraction layers between the OS and apps that handle the required translations. It should have little or no impact on 3rd party developers.

    This is how it was done with Windows when x86 transitioned from 32 to 64 bit. It's the same thing Apple is doing with iOS8.
    Awesome. We have nothing to worry about
    08-08-2014 09:21 PM
  4. AG VK's Avatar
    Wow, the shills these days are going all out.
    08-08-2014 10:32 PM
  5. AG VK's Avatar
    The reason why wp 7 users were left behind is because there was a shift in the kernel. From windows CE to NT. When you look at 7.8 and 8.0 side by side, you don't really see a difference but when you see it in motion, that's when you see a change. CE only supported single core processors and isn't that secure compared to NT. NT is the future. Multi core processors, better security, more Ram, more efficient, more API's more Everything! If the kernel stayed in NT, we would still be using slow scorpions while the others are using snapdragon 800s etc. Not a good future is it?

    Why Microsoft won't do another .8 fiasco is due to how all their products are on the NT kernel. Xbox One, windows 8.1 windows 8.1 RT, windows phone 8.1. In the heart of these products is the NT kernel. Do you know why? Universal Apps! Genius! I can have an app for all of these platforms that are catered for the screen size and experience. I can pay for one app and have it on every platform. This is what Microsoft wanted. This is the future. And if it wasn't for the NT kernel, windows phone wouldn't be where it is today. Microsoft aren't going to do another .8 in a while. In technology, that's probably like 3/4 years or something. But that doesn't mean that older devices won't be missing features of course.

    So if you're scared of thereshold meaning 8.0 devices will be abandoned, don't be. Microsoft have done what they needed to do, don't be afraid. 520s are available from 50 in where I live. And if your still on contract, don't be afraid to get an 8 device, join the new revolution. One Microsoft! (wow that's so cheesy)
    Blind supporters like you were saying the exact same things when I got my first Lumia 800. I never expected MS to pull a **** move like that, but they went ahead and killed WP7 for all intents and purposes. Three days after I got it.

    It's risky to ssay "oh this is so stupid even MS would not do it" but they have proven that they can and they will, time and time again.
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    08-08-2014 10:47 PM
  6. Aviskri's Avatar
    Blind supporters like you were saying the exact same things when I got my first Lumia 800. I never expected MS to pull a **** move like that, but they went ahead and killed WP7 for all intents and purposes. Three days after I got it.

    It's risky to ssay "oh this is so stupid even MS would not do it" but they have proven that they can and they will, time and time again.
    That's Nokia fault not Microsoft, WP7 was supported for 3 years
    08-08-2014 10:57 PM
  7. rdubmu's Avatar
    Lol, perhaps most that you say is true. But I have doubts if the older WP 8.x (920 etc.) would get threshold, even if it supports it. Devices have their support period, and Microsoft will not push any updates to these phones at a certain point.

    But in this world there is a miracle called Developer Preview lol. #foreverpreviewsoftware


    They have already done it twice. Windows 6.5 ---> Windows Phone 7 -----> Windows PHone 8


    My guess it will happen again. My Titan 2 on AT&T never got the official 7.8 update. :(
    08-09-2014 12:16 AM
  8. Elitis's Avatar
    When the time comes that 64bit is needed (to support 4GB+ memory), MS will probably just have a 32bit and 64bit versions of whatever version of WP is current at that time. Devices will just use whichever matches the hardware in that device. At the application level it won't matter too much. There are abstraction layers between the OS and apps that handle the required translations. It should have little or no impact on 3rd party developers.

    This is how it was done with Windows when x86 transitioned from 32 to 64 bit. It's the same thing Apple is doing with iOS8.
    But 64bit code can't run well on 32bit hardware.
    I'd like to add to the above. By the time there are enough 64-bit apps out to matter, 32-bit mobile processors will be a thing of the past. Developers won't even bother with writing 64-bit compatible apps until the majority of devices have 64-bit processors, anyway. As for the OS, it will work on both 32-bit and 64-bit hardware, we can be sure of that.
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    08-09-2014 12:43 AM
  9. Cleavitt76's Avatar
    Blind supporters like you were saying the exact same things when I got my first Lumia 800. I never expected MS to pull a **** move like that, but they went ahead and killed WP7 for all intents and purposes. Three days after I got it.

    It's risky to ssay "oh this is so stupid even MS would not do it" but they have proven that they can and they will, time and time again.
    Angry much? This really has nothing to do with being a "blind supporter" or a "shill". It is about having realistic expectations of cutting edge technology as well as some knowledge of that technology.

    First of all, the Lumia 800 was released in October of 2011 and it's last major update to WP 7.8 was in January of 2013. So it was supported for 15 months. The fact that you bought yours a few days before WP 8 was officially released, which is a year after the Lumia 800 hit the market, doesn't take away from it's actual lifecycle. Furthermore, your Lumia 800 didn't suddenly break when WP 8 came out.

    More importantly, this occurs in any fast moving area of technology. If you think this is unique to MS you are far more blind than any of us. Apple actually does this for the iPhone with almost every new release of iOS. I'll use the iPhone 4 as an example, but every iPhone has a similar timeline.

    The iPhone 4 was released June 24, 2010 and discontinued on October 4, 2011 (16 months). The white model was discontinued only 6 months after its initial release. That is the hardware life cycle. On the software side, the iPhone 4 can be updated to "iOS 7", but it won't be supported for iOS 8. However, I put iOS 7 in quotes because the version of iOS 7 that is supported on the iPhone 4 doesn't include most of the major features. For example, Siri, panorama camera, video facetime, turn by turn maps, and a whole bunch more features that were introduced in iOS 5, 6, and 7. Apple calls it "iOS 7", but it's missing most of the features of iOS versions 5, 6, and 7. How can that be? Is it the same iOS version or not? Shouldn't it be called iOS 4.x or 5.x or 6.x?

    So to recap, when Apple releases an iOS version for previous generation devices that only contains a subset of the features that the new devices get, it's all good as long as they give each of those different versions of the OS the same version number. However, when MS does the same thing, but names the lesser featured version 7.8 and the new version 8.0 it's a total rip off because someone just bought their phone last week.

    The smart phone market is moving very rapidly and these disruptions are bound to happen. At least MS is honest with their version numbers. Apple gives two different versions of their OS the same version number and gets a free pass because of the ignorance of the average consumer. Google isn't immune to this either. Who can even count all the phones that have been left behind because of Android updates that couldn't or wouldn't run properly on the previous generation hardware. Android is well known for that. Of the three big players, MS is actually doing a decent job at providing an upgrade path, with WP 7 to 8 being the only breaking exception so far.
    08-09-2014 02:26 AM
  10. colinkiama's Avatar
    Blind supporters like you were saying the exact same things when I got my first Lumia 800. I never expected MS to pull a **** move like that, but they went ahead and killed WP7 for all intents and purposes. Three days after I got it.

    It's risky to ssay "oh this is so stupid even MS would not do it" but they have proven that they can and they will, time and time again.
    I never said MS would not do it, I said it's very unlikely but that doesn't mean phones won't be left behind.
    08-09-2014 04:50 AM
  11. colinkiama's Avatar
    Blind supporters like you were saying the exact same things when I got my first Lumia 800. I never expected MS to pull a **** move like that, but they went ahead and killed WP7 for all intents and purposes. Three days after I got it.

    It's risky to ssay "oh this is so stupid even MS would not do it" but they have proven that they can and they will, time and time again.
    I wasn't even there in the WP7 days. I didn't know it even exisited at the time. And I'm not a blind supporter, I did my research, I've used all the Big 3 phone platforms. I even wrote the first post using an iPad. Im afraid you are just unlucky, you just bought the phone at the wrong time. Everyone knew windows mobile didn't stand a chance anyway. If you look at all the videos and pictures of WP8.1 you'll understand why microsoft made this change in the first place. If WP7 wasn't killed of, Windows Phone wouldn't be what it is today. Just think about that. Of course all technology does get killed of at some point but not the same way it happened with wp7. Fine don't switch to 8.1 then, you are missing out on all the great features.
    08-09-2014 05:06 AM
  12. Dr_8820's Avatar
    T-Mobile EOL'D the Lumia 810 after 5 months, and it's the only phone not getting Black, Cyan, or 8.1. It has already happened.
    08-09-2014 05:29 AM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    T-Mobile EOL'D the Lumia 810 after 5 months, and it's the only phone not getting Black, Cyan, or 8.1. It has already happened.
    That is T Mobile's problem, not Microsoft. Microsoft had nothing to do with it. If you look in the forums the 810 users are on 8.1 GDR1 already. It's not getting support anymore but you can still update it. You just can't get the firmware. Like someone said earlier, Thank God for the Developers Preview.
    08-09-2014 05:40 AM
  14. colinkiama's Avatar
    And don't bring up the 8S. htc just doesn't want to update it. Not Microsoft's problem either.
    08-09-2014 05:42 AM
  15. Dr_8820's Avatar
    Yeah, ok.... There is a thread on the 810 from May 2013. We have tweeted and emailed everyone and the answer is as follows: T-Mobile blames Nokia, Nokia blames T-Mobile, and Microsoft doesn't give a crap.
    08-09-2014 05:50 AM
  16. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    Three months after Lumia 900 came out with wp7.5, MS introduced WP8 while WP7.5 were left to deal with WP7.8 update. Anyway, let bygones be bygones.

    On a more relevant note, MS said something about 18 months support cycle but I don't know exactly. Given that Nokia is under MS banner now, we can assume that first generation of WP8 phones will miss out on the official threshold firmware update with possibly 1520 and onwards phones making the cut for it.
    Last edited by DoctorSaline; 08-09-2014 at 06:28 AM.
    08-09-2014 06:17 AM
  17. Dr_8820's Avatar
    Just got a 1520, so we'll see. The 18 months of support is a myth, just ask the Lumia 810 owners.

    Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
    08-09-2014 06:29 AM
  18. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    It must have something to do with carrier. And I'm sure it was an exception. Average people upgrade their phones within two years anyways. Just make sure to not buy a two year old phone just before a new version of OS is going to be announced.
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    08-09-2014 06:43 AM
  19. Dr_8820's Avatar
    The 810 was launched in November 2012, it was Eol 5 months later. It hasn't been updated since November 2013.

    Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
    08-09-2014 08:43 AM
  20. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    I will never say never when it comes to WP.
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    08-09-2014 09:31 AM
  21. tgp's Avatar
    I will never say never when it comes to WP.
    Good advice. Not only regarding WP, but most anything in life.
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    08-09-2014 10:02 AM
  22. TechFreak1's Avatar
    Windows CE is what threw me off WP7, I was soo going to upgrade to the Qwerty HTC Wp7 but landscape support was choppy at best.
    (heck even Dreamcast ran on Windows CE... what a console.. shame it doesn't get the recognition it deserves for giving us Shenmue).
    I wanted to get a Wp7 phone but I wasn't going to drop half a grand on a phone which was going to be obsolete in the future.

    Unfortunately those who have since switched platforms after WP7.8, majority of those are casual users and may not switch back as they have been burnt. If MS went with the NT kernel for WP7 to begin with, windows phone would definitely have more global market share today.

    Which is why I say, when you are going to spend your hard earned cash - research on positives, research on negatives and do more research until you are completely satisfied the pro's outweigh the cons for you.
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    08-09-2014 11:11 AM
  23. Zachary Boddy's Avatar
    People have made good points, but I have an opinion on whether or not the current phones will become obsolete in the near future. Of course they are, all phones do. In fact, Microsoft is better with it than most, in my opinion, telling you what will and will not be updated, and the upgrade path of that phone.
    In addition, Microsoft has been releasing a lot of budget and mid-range phones lately, in order to reel in new supporters by offering cheap, affordable phones with a clean, smooth interface. Microsoft can't risk the consumers they have gotten by making the newest phones obsolete. I suspect that ever current phone out right now will receive every major update for at least another year, until the hardware of the low-end phones become obsolete.
    Microsoft has been stupid in the past, but they're not alone. And we have all seen the actions of Nadella, it seems he's seriously improving Microsoft's mobile phone division. There's a bright future for Windows Phones, I know a lot of people who love and enjoy using Windows.
    08-09-2014 12:38 PM
  24. WillysJeepMan's Avatar
    The reason why wp 7 users were left behind is because there was a shift in the kernel. From windows CE to NT. When you look at 7.8 and 8.0 side by side, you don't really see a difference but when you see it in motion, that's when you see a change. CE only supported single core processors and isn't that secure compared to NT. NT is the future. Multi core processors, better security, more Ram, more efficient, more API's more Everything! If the kernel stayed in CE, we would still be using slow scorpions while the others are using snapdragon 800s etc. Not a good future is it?

    Why Microsoft won't do another .8 fiasco is due to how all their products are on the NT kernel. Xbox One, windows 8.1 windows 8.1 RT, windows phone 8.1. In the heart of these products is the NT kernel. Do you know why? Universal Apps! Genius! I can have an app for all of these platforms that are catered for the screen size and experience. I can pay for one app and have it on every platform. This is what Microsoft wanted. This is the future. And if it wasn't for the NT kernel, windows phone wouldn't be where it is today. Microsoft aren't going to do another .8 in a while. In technology, that's probably like 3/4 years or something. But that doesn't mean that older devices won't be missing features of course.

    So if you're scared of thereshold meaning 8.0 devices will be abandoned, don't be. Microsoft have done what they needed to do, don't be afraid. 520s are available from 50 in where I live. And if your still on contract, don't be afraid to get an 8 device, join the new revolution. One Microsoft! (wow that's so cheesy)
    A very well reasoned post. However, this is Microsoft that we're talking about and not every decision Microsoft makes is based on what is public knowledge or strictly due to technical reasons.

    I'd rather say that people should choose a Windows Phone device based on what it can do today... not what it MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be able to do in the future. I don't do cell phone contracts anymore... I'm strictly pay-as-you-go, and so I have a WP8 device as one of a few phones that I switch between. If I were to get into a 2 year contract, I would be very cautious about getting a Windows Phone now.
    08-09-2014 02:06 PM
  25. Andrea988's Avatar
    Let's not forget that the only real reason for keep introducing new systems is to get money out of your pocket and into theirs.

    The technology for bigger and higher res screens, cameras and so on has been around for years. Don't be fooled by the old "manufacturing costs" argument. The only reason, for example, that most current flagship smartphones don't have a 4x UHD screen is because that's what they want to sell you the next time you upgrade.
    DoctorSaline likes this.
    08-10-2014 06:38 AM
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