[badr0b0t]

Hey Iain_S I see you're on WP Central as well :P But ya you usually do not hear them talk about new phones that aren't announced yet if they don't have a solid backing to rely on. After all, you don't want to disappoint the customers right? I'm also still waiting for a Microsoft Store in Ottawa SERIOUS 3 IN TORONTO GOOD LORD

There's one like 3mins drive away from my place but I never dropped by. What's there to be excited about? Everything in there are also in Bestbuy.

[borasar]

Seeing how the only two high-end devices that are out there right now, the 930 and 1520, are not appealing to me (would have been very happy with 1520 if it came in a smaller size) and nothing else has been announced, I'd guess nothing worthwhile is coming to Canada any time soon in the high-end range.
If nothing is announced/released by threshold, specifically a worthwhile 920 replacement, I'll have to seriously start looking at other platforms.
I really hope Microsoft will release a more compelling high end Lumia device and, this is a long shot, Sony gives us an Xperia type device running WP.

[borasar]

it was not a sales person that I spoke too. They knew what they were talking about. expect the phones shortly after the completed cycle of the 1020.

So announced or released after October 15th? Given how MS acts it makes for a big difference

[bilzkh]

You've made great marketing points, problem is we are relying on MS to pick up the slack when it comes to marketing and lets face communication / marketing is not their strong point. The issue you have in marketing windows phone as your 2nd device, is that:
a) why would want to spend that amount of cash when your "high end" smartphone is doing just fine
b) couch analyst's will start harping on about how MS has given up on going for 1st place, therefore shows that they don't have confidence in their product.

That's my point, Microsoft needs to work on altering consumer behaviour. People shouldn't ask "why would I need a second phone?", they should actually think, "hey that Lumia would be nice to have." We know people's rationality can be toned down by a few notches, it's up to Microsoft in figuring out how to do it. And therein lies the problem...Microsoft's marketing "prowess" is no where near the level it needs to be in order to pull off complex thought-altering programs. I think the people who do really well in that regard are the marketing people behind luxury brands, Microsoft should try and hire them instead of whoever they're depending on right now.

[Iain_S]

Super secret phone info that will change the WORLD, if he tells you he'll have to kill you.

lol not a super secret phone and I doubt it will change the world either, but 2 new phones are coming.

[Iain_S]

Seeing how the only two high-end devices that are out there right now, the 930 and 1520, are not appealing to me (would have been very happy with 1520 if it came in a smaller size) and nothing else has been announced, I'd guess nothing worthwhile is coming to Canada any time soon in the high-end range.
If nothing is announced/released by threshold, specifically a worthwhile 920 replacement, I'll have to seriously start looking at other platforms.
I really hope Microsoft will release a more compelling high end Lumia device and, this is a long shot, Sony gives us an Xperia type device running WP.

its already been stated here and elsewhere that new high end windows phones are coming from MS, I will give you guys a little hint that it will probably be a high end phone and a mid range phone.

[SwimSwim]

its already been stated here and elsewhere that new high end windows phones are coming from MS, I will give you guys a little hint that it will probably be a high end phone and a mid range phone.

So... The 730 and 830 then? :P

[SwimSwim]

lol not a super secret phone and I doubt it will change the world either, but 2 new phones are coming.

Seems to be super secret, since you won't say anything other than two new phones. Yeah, totally not vague and open to interpretation at all. :P

[jonnaver]

I don't get why it's a secret at all if he heard it from a guy in a store.

[SwimSwim]

I don't get why it's a secret at all if he heard it from a guy in a store.

My thoughts exactly, seems weird. Just a few more details would be nice, anything more than, "Two new phones coming, peace out."

[borasar]

its already been stated here and elsewhere that new high end windows phones are coming from MS, I will give you guys a little hint that it will probably be a high end phone and a mid range phone.

Please provide sources, because last we heard is that McLaren is cancelled and they may announce something else later on, but for now they are focused on 930 and 1520.
Also care to explain why it is so secret when you heard it from a guy in the store? You sign an NDA?

[badr0b0t]

If there is a new phone coming, it would be just in time before I get rid of my 1520 2 years from now.
I don't understand why people need to wait for "new" phones. If you need one, just get one. NOW.

[borasar]

If there is a new phone coming, it would be just in time before I get rid of my 1520 2 years from now.
I don't understand why people need to wait for "new" phones. If you need one, just get one. NOW.

Simple, if you are renewing your contract, you want to use the upgrade on something brand new and not something that is over a year old. Then things like end of life and upgrade cycle play into that as well. Most people that upgrade, don't' actually need a new phone, they just want something new. I'm sure those that actually need a new phone (broken/bricked old phone) end up getting one right away.

[badr0b0t]

Simple, if you are renewing your contract, you want to use the upgrade on something brand new and not something that is over a year old. Then things like end of life and upgrade cycle play into that as well. Most people that upgrade, don't' actually need a new phone, they just want something new. I'm sure those that actually need a new phone (broken/bricked old phone) end up getting one right away.

Well, it's not applicable to me. I don't buy the rip-off renewing a contract idea. I just buy the phone I want and stay with my current account... I ALWAYS BUY UNLOCKED PHONES. That way I am not limited to what is only available with my carrier. in fact, 1520 is not available with any carrier here in Toronto or anywhere in Canada. As I said, I just buy what I want, any time. I don't need to wait for contract renewal. If there's a new phone next month that I want, I will buy and sell at will.
Most mobile users tend to rely on what carriers can offer not realizing that there are other options... the freedom of unlocked phones. I have been using unlocked phones since Nokia 3210 days.

[borasar]

Well, it's not applicable to me. I don't buy the rip-off renewing a contract idea. I just buy the phone I want and stay with my current account... I ALWAYS BUY UNLOCKED PHONES. That way I am not limited to what is only available with my carrier. in fact, 1520 is not available with any carrier here in Toronto or anywhere in Canada. As I said, I just buy what I want, any time. I don't need to wait for contract renewal. If there's a new phone next month that I want, I will buy and sell at will.
Most mobile users tend to rely on what carriers can offer not realizing that there are other options... the freedom of unlocked phones. I have been using unlocked phones since Nokia 3210 days.

I think you are forgetting that a lot of people may not have the comfort of putting down hundreds of dollars up front on a phone or changing phones on a whim. Also some people are perfectly fine with owning a phone for a 2-3 year period, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

[ShinraCorp]

Well not all Best Buy employees are well trained to sell Microsoft products... at least the one nearby anyway. Seriously you ask them a question about it and they'll look at the info panel on the table as if I'm stupid or something.

A Microsoft store is kind of like an Apple store though, except more colors.

[badr0b0t]

I think you are forgetting that a lot of people may not have the comfort of putting down hundreds of dollars up front on a phone or changing phones on a whim. Also some people are perfectly fine with owning a phone for a 2-3 year period, not everyone needs the latest and greatest

Getting an "almost free" or low cost unit with a contract renewal sounds more uncomfortable to me knowing that there's a motive behind it. :)
It's cool man. This is just me.
My point is, no one really has to wait if they really want a particular phone model and worrying if it is going to be available with their carrier or not. There's always an alternative. And that is buying unlocked devices.

[borasar]

Getting an "almost free" or low cost unit with a contract renewal sounds more uncomfortable to me knowing that there's a motive behind it. :)

That doesn't change the fact that some people can't afford to spend over $500 bucks on the phone upfront, comfortable or not some have to face the reality. The motive is, you can't leave and you do end up paying that money back and then some, so think of it as alternative financing for your device, great or not, some people don't have wiggle room, especially if they are not willing to settle for a low-cost device and what a flagship.
My NL920 cost me $50 bucks with a contract renewal when it came out.

[ShinraCorp]

An interesting example, it's like a loan but with a huge interest rate lol.

[borasar]

An interesting example, it's like a loan but with a huge interest rate lol.

It's similar to a vehicle lease I guess in that sense, but since the phones have no residual value are typically ****ty collateral you have to pay a higher interest rate. The difference is the "payment" is not openly disclosed to you and neither is the interest on it.

[badr0b0t]

It's similar to a vehicle lease I guess in that sense, but since the phones have no residual value are typically ****ty collateral you have to pay a higher interest rate. The difference is the "payment" is not openly disclosed to you and neither is the interest on it.

That is another point I am trying to make. Paying on an installment basis will cost you more at the end. You know you will have to pay for it anyway, just pay it forward and avoid the interest. Contracts have so many fine prints and more often than not, people don't bother going through those fine print and just very excited to bring home the thing that is in the contract. :)
Even my credit cards, I pay everything at the end of each cycle and I don't pay for the minimum amount due. Those credit card companies just try to fool you to pay a minimum fee so that they can make money on the interest out of the entire balance due. But this is going away from the topic. Sorry.

[borasar]

That is another point I am trying to make. Paying on an installment basis will cost you more at the end. You know you will have to pay for it anyway, just pay it forward and avoid the interest. Contracts have so many fine prints and more often than not, people don't bother going through those fine print and just very excited to bring home the thing that is in the contract. :)
Even my credit cards, I pay everything at the end of each cycle and I don't pay for the minimum amount due. Those credit card companies just try to fool you to pay a minimum fee so that they can make money on the interest out of the entire balance due. But this is going away from the topic. Sorry.

I'm not arguing with you as to what ends up more expensive in the end, but I think you are ignoring the concept of cash flow! Some people end up paying more over a longer time period, because that provides them with a sustainable level of cash outflow per month compared to a one lump some payment up front, which they can't sustain.

[badr0b0t]

I am not referring to those people you are referring to. I am referring to the other "some people" and reminding them they have options.
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[borasar]

I am not referring to those people you are referring to. I am referring to the other "some people" and reminding them they have options.
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My bad, you asked why people wait for new phones, I explained that a lot are on contract and if you are getting a subsidy you want it on the latest phone that will be supported the length of the contract. Then you asked why people bother buying phones on contract instead of just buying unlocked cause on contract is a rip-off and I explained why some people would still do that even though many consider an on contract phone a rip-off.

[Iain_S]

hmmm you may even see the HTC M8 Windows Phone arrive in Canada before the end of the year, so lets make it 3 phones now.