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  1. Great deal's Avatar
    In the second quarter, Microsoft's smartphone shipments dropped to 7.4 million units from 8.2 million in the same period of 2013. At the same time, the Windows Phone global market share fell from 3.4% to to 2.5%.

    Is MSFT is to blame for this decrease or would you blame the Windows Phone community?

    Your thoughts?
    Neither are to blame. This is just a natural state of things due to the Nokia takeover. Nokia stopped investing due to the takeover bid (Normal action) and MS didn't (couldn't) develop until the merger complete (again normal) and after the acquisition the process of integration begins, that's the reason for the lack of devices and lack of push on the WP area. MS are focussing on the next OS and most of their resources including WP are geared towards that launch and rightly so. WP8.1 is not going to improve that much however 9 will be a major step forward, if it isn't then they have a MASSIVE problem and may as well flush WP down the toilet. Wont happen though as all the signs and actions from MS point towards congruency.
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    08-27-2014 08:43 AM
  2. borasar's Avatar
    WP8.1 is not going to improve that much however 9 will be a major step forward, if it isn't then they have a MASSIVE problem
    Same thing was said about 8.0, that it will the breakthrough OS and will be a major step forward.
    08-27-2014 08:46 AM
  3. psoham777's Avatar
    My point is, I'm not 10 to 19 hanging out with my friends and they all have apps that I don't. This is the age group that MS has trouble cracking. Then you have the 20 somethings where fashion means a lot. WP isn't fashionable in most countries. The issues are many and varied but at least apps is something MS can manage. Image changes with acceptance.

    The reason I own an Android tablet is because there are apps I cannot get on WP that I want to use. There are also functions on Android that I find useful for me that WP doesn't have. Along with that, I've yet to see these 'unstable' apps you speak of. I've had more apps crash on WP than on Android so far.
    You might be the most happiest tablet user then! Otherwise Android's tablets suck, they suck big time. I have read it in the WPcentral news that apps crash more in Android as compared to that of wp
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    08-27-2014 09:08 AM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Which community?
    On-line
    Developers
    Power users
    Business users
    Generic consumers
    Vehement fans of the platform

    I'll take the blame for using and being mostly quiet.
    My take is:
    Oh shoot this doesn't work now ... Grrrrrrr ... oh well a chocolate doughnut with coffee sounds good about now.
    Or:
    Golly when did this start working? ... I haven't checked this in months and forgot to uninstall it.


    I already am here mostly, yet I like to complain ... however I get tired of others complaining.
    My complaints matter so I don't listen to the complaints of others.


    Okay I will


    No problem ... I love in-app nickel and diming


    Right on!
    Which one?

    This could be like a phone pledge of allegiance...
    Make that 2 doughnuts and a large coffee.
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    08-27-2014 09:11 AM
  5. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Did we forget that early this year Microsoft was in the middle of closing the Nokia deal as well as replacing its CEO? As the largest supplier of WP8 devices I'm sure we can understand if shipments were down and new models were put on ice. Given today's market conditions and the nature of stock speculation, if Warren Buffett sneezes the shares of Robitussin go through the roof.

    I suggest we all fix ourselves a tall Margarita, pop some Marley in the CD player and let the world turn.
    08-27-2014 09:16 AM
  6. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    You might be the most happiest tablet user then! Otherwise Android's tablets suck, they suck big time. I have read it in the WPcentral news that apps crash more in Android as compared to that of wp
    I don't think I'm alone in my experience with my tablet and slagging me with nonsense is not conducive to the conversation we're having about why WP is 2.5% of the market. Your opinion on Android is simply that. Other's happen to like it, that's why it has the highest consumer numbers.

    Many people on here have issues with apps and the WP OS. Are you going to tell me that they're imagining things? I'm not alone with these issues either.
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    08-27-2014 09:18 AM
  7. viswa's Avatar
    Very gud OS yep It can beat all ,, But need More free Apps , x box games , folks need front cam in low end ms phones and flash
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    08-27-2014 09:26 AM
  8. psoham777's Avatar
    I don't think I'm alone in my experience with my tablet and slagging me with nonsense is not conducive to the conversation we're having about why WP is 2.5% of the market. Your opinion on Android is simply that. Other's happen to like it, that's why it has the highest consumer numbers.

    Many people on here have issues with apps and the WP OS. Are you going to tell me that they're imagining things? I'm not alone with these issues either.
    Android has highest consumer number due to their phones, not tablets, I already said before if anyone are having some serious problems with windows, they can switch, the apps crashes because it has bugs. The only downfall of windows is there are less number of apps
    08-27-2014 09:45 AM
  9. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Android has highest consumer number due to their phones, not tablets, I already said before if anyone are having some serious problems with windows, they can switch, the apps crashes because it has bugs. The only downfall of windows is there are less number of apps
    Whatever. I'm not going to argue your point anymore.

    WP downfall is that it's missing key apps and games and making them comparable. That was my main point many posts ago. Number of apps means nothing as long as you have the popular ones to begin with that people want. Let's not forget how long Instagram took to get on board and then it's still half baked. That was my main point at the beginning.

    My owning an Android tablet or phone is irrelevant to the conversation. I'm having no issues with my tablet or the apps on it and I know many people with android phones who are quite happy. If I wanted to go simply by experience with one device on WP I should have stopped using WP back in January 2013 when the device died on me after a month owning it.

    I'm not saying WP sucks, I'm not saying it's terrible. I'm saying it needs to get itself sorted and soon. It's a good enough OS for most people but not everyone is patient when it comes to apps or phones they want. Many will leave for those reasons. That's why WP is so low this year. Nothing great with handsets and the apps are still miles behind.
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    08-27-2014 09:55 AM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Whatever. I'm not going to argue your point anymore.

    WP downfall is that it's missing key apps and games and making them comparable. That was my main point many posts ago. Number of apps means nothing as long as you have the popular ones to begin with that people want. Let's not forget how long Instagram took to get on board and then it's still half baked. That was my main point at the beginning.

    My owning an Android tablet or phone is irrelevant to the conversation. I'm having no issues with my tablet or the apps on it and I know many people with android phones who are quite happy. If I wanted to go simply by experience with one device on WP I should have stopped using WP back in January 2013 when the device died on me after a month owning it.

    I'm not saying WP sucks, I'm not saying it's terrible. I'm saying it needs to get itself sorted and soon. It's a good enough OS for most people but not everyone is patient when it comes to apps or phones they want. Many will leave for those reasons. That's why WP is so low this year. Nothing great with handsets and the apps are still miles behind.
    I think the app issue depends on what device/platform someone used previous to Windows Phone.

    I've never owned any Android devices. I used legacy BBOS prior to Windows Phone. BlackBerry didn't even have Netflix, which is one of the apps I use regularly. BlackBerry doesn't have OverDrive (ebook reader for library books) anymore either, which is another app I use regularly.

    So for me, Windows Phone has way more apps than BlackBerry had.
    08-27-2014 10:02 AM
  11. DarthBC's Avatar
    Literally the biggest problem for WP is that no one really knows it exists. Whenever the phone conversation happens and people are saying "I have an iPhone 5c" or "I have a galaxy s4", when I say "I have a Windows Phone" every single person around me says "What's that?". No joke, it happens every single time. The fault for that is 100% on microsoft. It's their job to make sure people know what WP is, not the users. They are not putting enough behind it, and it shows.
    08-27-2014 10:03 AM
  12. borasar's Avatar
    Whatever. I'm not going to argue your point anymore.

    WP downfall is that it's missing key apps and games and making them comparable. That was my main point many posts ago. Number of apps means nothing as long as you have the popular ones to begin with that people want. Let's not forget how long Instagram took to get on board and then it's still half baked. That was my main point at the beginning.

    My owning an Android tablet or phone is irrelevant to the conversation. I'm having no issues with my tablet or the apps on it and I know many people with android phones who are quite happy. If I wanted to go simply by experience with one device on WP I should have stopped using WP back in January 2013 when the device died on me after a month owning it.

    I'm not saying WP sucks, I'm not saying it's terrible. I'm saying it needs to get itself sorted and soon. It's a good enough OS for most people but not everyone is patient when it comes to apps or phones they want. Many will leave for those reasons. That's why WP is so low this year. Nothing great with handsets and the apps are still miles behind.
    Agreed, although I left android because it starts out well, but over time the OS just gets too bogged down and laggy. That being said a day doesn't pass without Music not crashing on me on my NL920, a number of other apps crash as well and yesterday the lock screen swipe up didn't work for some odd reason.
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    08-27-2014 10:03 AM
  13. borasar's Avatar
    I think the app issue depends on what device/platform someone used previous to Windows Phone.

    I've never owned any Android devices. I used legacy BBOS prior to Windows Phone. BlackBerry didn't even have Netflix, which is one of the apps I use regularly. BlackBerry doesn't have OverDrive (ebook reader for library books) anymore either, which is another app I use regularly.

    So for me, Windows Phone has way more apps than BlackBerry had.
    That is true, but it doesn't change the fact that WP's main competitors namely iOS and Android have more official apps and get new apps sooner than WP
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    08-27-2014 10:05 AM
  14. nanowareWP's Avatar
    tbh Microsoft... There's isn't much force behind WP..why?
    08-27-2014 10:11 AM
  15. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I think the app issue depends on what device/platform someone used previous to Windows Phone.

    I've never owned any Android devices. I used legacy BBOS prior to Windows Phone. BlackBerry didn't even have Netflix, which is one of the apps I use regularly. BlackBerry doesn't have OverDrive (ebook reader for library books) anymore either, which is another app I use regularly.

    So for me, Windows Phone has way more apps than BlackBerry had.
    I wasn't saying that people wouldn't be happy with WP.

    My previous posts made more my point. I was trying to get out of the Android argument.

    If MS wants people to switch to their platform it needs to have the latest and greatest apps and games. If they're not there it makes people hesitate. If you're not into the latest thing than WP is fine for you but how many younger people 10 to 20 something are going to accept that? That's where I was coming from. On top of that not only do you need the latest and greatest you need the fully functional and comparable to the other OSs you're competing against. If not you'll not get people to switch.

    That's the reality of the the smartphone market at this moment. You have those who will switch because they are not big app users and just want something that's good. You'll have those who want those apps and won't switch unless they're there. Then there are the loyalists who will never switch regardless how good the OS or apps situation is.
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    08-27-2014 10:13 AM
  16. DJCBS's Avatar
    1. If you love or like this platform stop complaining and use the platform as is.

    2. Use official apps over third party apps more frequent.

    3. Don't be cheap support your favorite apps and games developers no matter what the cost.

    4, Support your favorite OEM:s.

    In the second quarter, Microsoft's smartphone shipments dropped to 7.4 million units from 8.2 million in the same period of 2013. At the same time, the Windows Phone global market share fell from 3.4% to to 2.5%.

    Is MSFT is to blame for this decrease or would you blame the Windows Phone community?

    Your thoughts?
    1 - Criticism is what drives innovation forward. If people turn into the Microsoft-equivalent of iSheep, then Microsoft will relax even more their commitment to the platform. I enjoy WP8.1. But you can count me absolutely OUT of not criticizing everything that deserves criticism.

    2 - Completely disagree. Use the apps that are better. It's stupid from the consumer point of view to use sub-par experiences just because they are official. Using Instagram BETA, for example, instead of 6tag, is just irrational. They're both free, 6tag is better and does more so why would I use the BETA instead? Instagram will not update the BETA faster because I use it instead of a third party app.

    3 - Don't be silly. Supporting "no matter what the cost" is just economically irrational. If an app is great, sure, buy it. But if it's great yet they charge you 5 for it, then think twice because probably it's not THAT great.

    4 - Yeah. Except, often, our favourite OEMs (in my case) either: 1 - don't produce Windows Phones (Sony); 2 - the last Windows Phone they produced was a WP7 device (LG); 3 - were driven out of the phone business by Microsoft (Nokia). So it's pointless to say "support your favourite OEMs" until people's favourite OEMs start producing WP devices.

    And to answer your final question: it's Microsoft's fault that market share dropped and it's Microsoft's fault that it will continue to drop as Nokia phones start to disappear from the market. It's also Microsoft's fault that the M8 came so late (HTC explained the reason already). It's also Microsoft's fault that they can't bring in good OEMs (like Sony, LG, etc). And it's Microsoft's fault that their commitment to Windows Phone is pretty low.
    08-27-2014 10:15 AM
  17. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    nice to see people agreeing to the pros and cons of wp and android in this thread!!
    i must say while i see all my friends taunting me for not having bought an iphone or an android , they are astonished at the way my 720 works etc and also love the red unibody design plus the amazing camera and longest lasting battery life ive seen on any phone which ive owned so far
    while WP still has a few cons namely lack of USB OTG , Wifi Direct and a few more which i hope will come to existing hardware if it ever comes but on the whole i think MS/Nokia has ticked the boxes for the Lumias in ways android and ios could never even dream of
    its made a secure platform with no lack of bluetooth and no piracy(ios and androids main cons) and it has managed a good battery life and excellent cameras ive found their 6.7MP shooter on the 720 to beat 90% of "higher MP" cameras
    despite not being an amoled device,the 720 rarely looks like a low res phone
    the only other company to achieve a similiar thing was RIM/Blackberry but they were a bit late with the release of BB10 and poor marketing and initial pricing has stopped it from picking up initially
    Nokia is what brought WP up, maybe the Lumias werent marketed as we expected them but they turned out to be sold,reliable devices, they priced them rather decently and gave excellent service in nearly all countries(a rarity in india,apple etc have pathetic service and always blame the consumer)
    08-27-2014 11:38 AM
  18. Lee Power's Avatar
    Out of all the many people I know, only 1 other has a Window's phone.
    There have been some tv adverts recently for the 630 & 930 here in the UK which is the first time ever I recall seeing any Windows Phone adverts on UK tv.
    The friends / work colleagues that have seen my 930 have been impressed with the screen, Cortana also showed up Siri on a friends I phone 5, the speed / smoothness of the operating system also got mentioned plus the wireless charging.
    Then again a couple of them didn't know what Windows Phone was / even existed.

    It would be nice in the UK if BBC, YouView & Virgin Media - all very big companies released Windows Phone versions of there app's, we have BBC I player but that's it, all the rest of the app offering's are IOS / Android only.
    08-27-2014 11:46 AM
  19. Depatter's Avatar
    Just the fact that it's the only platform where users regularly argue about it's survival, should tell you everything you need to know. I just wish Microsoft would either just quit or go all in. ~84 Billion in cash reserves could scare up a pretty good hand if they had the desire to succeed.


    http://www.businessinsider.com/globa...nations-2014-4
    Last edited by Depatter; 08-27-2014 at 12:30 PM.
    08-27-2014 12:16 PM
  20. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    the nokia x also confused markets further,people often ask me if my phones an android-the nokia x adverts make people believe all nokias are androids
    they should market WP better in India atleast,also they should have made better phones than the 630 ,530,930
    the 830 looks like a well made effort
    08-27-2014 01:18 PM
  21. jonnaver's Avatar
    Request #1: how about criticizing? They're two different things.
    08-27-2014 01:55 PM
  22. DalekSnare's Avatar
    I blame Nokia/MS for not releasing upgrades. On AT&T the only phone that's better than the two year old 920 is the 1520. Two years without a real upgrade option for many people is ridiculous. They are too slow to release decent upgrades. And when they do make a new handset, 80% of the time it's missing major features from previous phones. They need to stop pinching pennies on features they figure they can get away with leaving out and aim for a quality upgrade.

    I'd love to get a new phone (I have a 920) but:

    1020 - blurry PenTile screen
    925 - no built in Qi
    930 (not on AT&T anyway) - no glance
    1520 - awkward size

    Still waiting for a real upgrade to be available, 2 years later...

    That's why enthusiasts aren't buying new Windows Phones.
    08-27-2014 02:41 PM
  23. Arka1412's Avatar
    You might be the most happiest tablet user then! Otherwise Android's tablets suck, they suck big time. I have read it in the WPcentral news that apps crash more in Android as compared to that of wp
    Obviously on Windows phone central what else would you expect? Apps and games on android are more stable and fast compared to WP
    08-27-2014 03:25 PM
  24. jbestman's Avatar
    Forget about what's not in wp! Most of the apps available in wp are more stable as compared to Android or iOS. That's also a main reason that many android users turn to wp, out of the total wp users more than 27% previously owned an Android phone
    This is not a very smart statement. Of course 27% of total wp users previously owned Android phones, that is because more than half of the world uses Android! Of course, they will supply more people switching! This is just common sense.

    And by the way, 27% of total WP users is an insignificant number when compared to the total number of people using Android. For perspective, understand that last quarter alone 300M people bought Android phones compared to 7M for Windows Phone. Even if 50% of those were previous Android users, that is still less than 4M. A joke compared to the 300M that actually bought into it.
    08-27-2014 03:58 PM
  25. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    1. If you love or like this platform stop complaining and use the platform as is.

    But what about when they remove the features that made me like WP in the first place?

    2. Use official apps over third party apps more frequent.

    Why, if official apps are crap/non-existent?

    3. Don't be cheap support your favorite apps and games developers no matter what the cost.

    I gladly but an app or a game, even more so if I know that an indie developer is behind it. However, when I send an email asking the developer about a feature that is not available in the demo, and costs 2 extra (plus additional 2 to remove adds), and I get no reply, why would I waste money on something that may not work as I want it to? 'It's only 4', yes, it's not a lot, but there are developers who respond in an hour, and I'll rather buy their apps. Unfortunately, I don't make a million a month, so I can't just go buying all the apps there are.

    4, Support your favorite OEM:s.

    I don't understand this, I already have a Nokia phone, am I supposed to buy every new phone they release and wear their T-shirts? When they offer an amazing phone with no compromises, I'll support them again (glance, no yellow tint in camera, no overheating, etc.)

    In the second quarter, Microsoft's smartphone shipments dropped to 7.4 million units from 8.2 million in the same period of 2013. At the same time, the Windows Phone global market share fell from 3.4% to to 2.5%.

    No wonder, there has been so little new phones available. 930 is unappealing to me as an upgrade from 925, because it doesn't have glance and there's no sd card slot. If they released a radically different (better) phone, I'm sure it would succeed. For example, built in 64GB basic, and 50 extra for 128GB built-in storage. Stores sell 64GB flash drives for 20, isn't it about time we drop the 16/32GB phones and advance? Also if they offered something extra to WP users, it would be nice, like a BETTER skype experience than on other platforms, MORE onedrive storage (you don't get '15GB with windows phone', you get 15GB when you create a M$ account, it makes no difference if you even have a smartphone. If they offered 50GB to all WP users, or even 1 year of office 365, they would boost the sales a lot. Free maps are a good step in this direction though.
    Yes, HTC One M8 is now also on WP, but it's aging hardware already, and except for software, it offers no extra advantages over it's android brother. Toss in a free bluetooth headset or something, and not just for US.


    Is MSFT is to blame for this decrease or would you blame the Windows Phone community?

    Read above. Also coming from little country in the middle of Europe, I never get any special treatment from any OEM, while there are constant rewards, free services, freebies with purchase etc. going on in US and maybe UK. When they realize they can do something extra for other countries as well (after all, WP is more popular in Asia and Europe than US) maybe they would gain more users.
    Windows Phone community is great though, but it's not like a few enthusiasts can save a platform.

    Your thoughts?
    Don't get me wrong, I still like WP, my 925 is in repairs right now, and I got a middle range android in the meantime, and I miss my Lumia. The OS flows, it looks nice, it's consistent, there are many many thing that WP does right. The problem is, they require some time getting used to, if you're coming from another platform, and M$ is removing those exact features to lure in users of other platforms, while disappointing existing WP users. It also seems like they don't have things figured out quite yet, and they're just experimenting. They should stick with the solutions they come up with, and show that they stand by their platform. And they need to fix music app and skype. They're both terrible.
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    08-27-2014 04:28 PM
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