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  1. bilzkh's Avatar
    It's business.And what Google is doing is pure business.

    Any other company will do same as what google did.

    But first you have to understand the way business done.
    Google do not hold any grudge against MS.
    It's just that they both are competitor's.
    About Xbox.
    Google isn't in game consoles business so they do not have problem in providing their services but Google is in smartphone business.
    It's very simple to understand this.
    I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

    Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

    Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

    Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?
    08-28-2014 06:00 PM
  2. salmanahmad's Avatar
    I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

    Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

    Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

    Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?
    I don't think you could fully blame this on Google however, they did make a YouTube app but was pulled due to conflicts with Microsoft(I hear).

    YouTube is just one of the apps, another one is Google Chrome but I don't see it coming to Windows Phone anytime soon because Windows Phone doesn't support WebKit based browsers.
    08-28-2014 06:36 PM
  3. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    I don't think you could fully blame this on Google however, they did make a YouTube app but was pulled due to conflicts with Microsoft(I hear).
    Well, what happened was that Microsoft had somehow made a YouTube app that was lauded in tech circles as better app than Google's own version. But, the app perhaps didn't comply to google's ads and wasn't based on html5 so google blocked some essential key on their end and forced Microsoft to comply with Google's standards. Whatever the real reason, they kept blocking it till MS gave up and put a web wrapper YouTube app instead.
    08-28-2014 06:42 PM
  4. Kel Bin's Avatar
    I think there is sth about Microsoft. Ppl in Google uses macbook for development, or during those Google video that I see. Even apple shares a better relation than Microsoft with Google.

    Maybe Google apps will come if Microsoft stop collecting royalties from Android oem

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    08-28-2014 06:47 PM
  5. FAHMI BASSEM's Avatar
    We don't need Google, we have the developers, we have this community.
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    08-28-2014 06:48 PM
  6. colinkiama's Avatar
    We don't need Google, we have the developers, we have this community.
    We need google. Where is candy crush, clash of clans, dead trigger, hyperlapse, vsco cam. Why isnt instagram and kik updated. There are people who won't buy a windows phone because of the lack of official google apps like youtube, hangouts, google+ etc. 300,000 aps vs 1 million. We have so many ideas but we can't bring them to life since we have to pay a lot to get visual studio. Requires windows 8 64bit. People with windows 7 have to upgrade to that. They are slow to release APIs. They are also slow to respond to the uservoice suggestions and feedback. I have to admit though we do have a decent community but microsoft doesn't make use of us properly.
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    08-28-2014 07:03 PM
  7. D M C's Avatar
    I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

    Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

    Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

    Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?
    Ok, I think you understand this.
    Then why are complaining.
    No company would ever make a competitor strong.

    About your ads and user base.
    It will be a loss in long run if Google provided services now.
    Don't you know Apple Google negotiations.
    If don't then you should know that Google gives quite a portion revenue which Google generate from Apple products.

    Ok I'll try to put this in simple language.
    Weak join strong.
    Strong do not join weak.

    Google services for now are more stronger than WP.
    Means if Google provided it's services now then the most benefited will be WP means MS not Google and it's services.
    But this is not with the case of Windows for PC.
    Where Windows is more stronger than Google services .
    And this why MS providing it's services to Android because
    Android is more stronger than MS services. If MS provides it's services then Android will not get any special benefit but MS can get some users base.
    Means MS is the one who get most benefits

    Now tell me why should Google provides it's services to WP?
    Why would they should support competitor which is getting weak?

    Keep in mind that Google is doing business not charity.
    08-28-2014 08:16 PM
  8. hemanlive's Avatar
    Hey Guys, let us not forget that Google, or should I say android, is only present on mobile and tablet space. Microsoft has PCs, servers, Xbox and mobile OS is the newest kid of MS's block. They are going in the right direction in my opinion. They made a blunder in entering late this field otherwise, Android users would be cribbing about lack of OS on that platform.
    Having said that, I feel windows is adding apps to its fold. However, that number cannot and will not improve unless we have a much bigger user base.
    Microsoft should aggressively target corporate users in my opinion. They will not give a damn if the latest and most popular games are there on the phones or not. They will want their VPNs, documents, conference calls, outlook mails and calendars etc. to work on mobiles and tabs. That is where Microsoft has an inherent advantage. Windows is more secure and more compatible with existing OS in offices. Also the collaboration through MS Lync is much better than anything else present in the market.
    At the end user side, i.e. our side, only thing that MS can do is to compete on price. If much smaller players can provide best of specs at such ridiculous prices, there is no reason for Lumia phones to be at par or just a tad lower than Samsung/HTC/iPhones. Typically entry level should be about $100 or less, lower mid-range (630 & 730) should be about $150, upper mid range (830/1330) should be less than $200 and the flagship phones should not be priced more than $350. I am not being too demanding or unrealistic. Even with with Quad/octa core processors, 2GB or more of RAM, front camera of 2MP and rear of 12MP or more, there are phones in China and India which cost less than $300. If those guys can do it, I am sure MS can do so at may be $50 (or maximum of $100) more with its much deeper pockets. Even if it means losing on margins for first couple of years then so be it. Once it has the volumes it need not worry about low margins. That kind of aggression will break competition and developers would be left with no choice but to make Windows their go to platform for developing apps.
    Till that time we will have complaints from users and developers alike. Price is the only thing that can shut everything up and push sales. Rest all is BS
    08-28-2014 11:54 PM
  9. bilzkh's Avatar
    Ok, I think you understand this.
    Then why are complaining.
    No company would ever make a competitor strong.

    About your ads and user base.
    It will be a loss in long run if Google provided services now.
    Don't you know Apple Google negotiations.
    If don't then you should know that Google gives quite a portion revenue which Google generate from Apple products.

    Ok I'll try to put this in simple language.
    Weak join strong.
    Strong do not join weak.

    Google services for now are more stronger than WP.
    Means if Google provided it's services now then the most benefited will be WP means MS not Google and it's services.
    But this is not with the case of Windows for PC.
    Where Windows is more stronger than Google services .
    And this why MS providing it's services to Android because
    Android is more stronger than MS services. If MS provides it's services then Android will not get any special benefit but MS can get some users base.
    Means MS is the one who get most benefits

    Now tell me why should Google provides it's services to WP?
    Why would they should support competitor which is getting weak?

    Keep in mind that Google is doing business not charity.
    Firstly, do Apple and Microsoft have the same revenue deduction strategy? I'm not 100% sure they do, and even if they did, I doubt that is what's stopping Google. If it were so, then Google would have said something about it and I am sure, 100%, if it meant getting more WP users, Microsoft would budge in Google's favour on that note.

    Anyways, Google is missing out on some 40-50 million Windows Phone users today, and if Windows Phone does manage to keep growing, that number will climb to 70 million, then 100 million and so on. I don't know in what world servicing a 100 million users with your ad-based services is not profitable or difficult to support, but it isn't a rational perspective. They have a chance at dominating another market segment *and* making a profit, yet they're for some reason choosing not to go there.

    Google is in a rare position where its brand power is enough to get users on non-Google platforms to seek out Google services such as YouTube, Docs, GMail, etc. Strengthening WP shouldn't mean anything to them, especially when going into WP could mean having a chance at beating Microsoft's services on its own platforms.

    As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex.
    08-29-2014 12:11 AM
  10. D M C's Avatar
    Firstly, do Apple and Microsoft have the same revenue deduction strategy? I'm not 100% sure they do, and even if they did, I doubt that is what's stopping Google. If it were so, then Google would have said something about it and I am sure, 100%, if it meant getting more WP users, Microsoft would budge in Google's favour on that note.

    Anyways, Google is missing out on some 40-50 million Windows Phone users today, and if Windows Phone does manage to keep growing, that number will climb to 70 million, then 100 million and so on. I don't know in what world servicing a 100 million users with your ad-based services is not profitable or difficult to support, but it isn't a rational perspective. They have a chance at dominating another market segment *and* making a profit, yet they're for some reason choosing not to go there.

    Google is in a rare position where its brand power is enough to get users on non-Google platforms to seek out Google services such as YouTube, Docs, GMail, etc. Strengthening WP shouldn't mean anything to them, especially when going into WP could mean having a chance at beating Microsoft's services on its own platforms.

    As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex.
    Isn't that Google said this before.
    Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
    Google will not going to release any of it's services.

    Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
    WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
    And WP by default all services are MS services

    Before using wp I always use google services.
    When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
    I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

    If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
    Just like Android force you to use Google services
    WP also forces you to use MS services.
    This is not just me but it applies with every user.
    Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
    So, WP matter to Google.

    It not just Google
    But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex
    08-29-2014 12:54 AM
  11. bilzkh's Avatar
    Isn't that Google said this before.
    Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
    Google will not going to release any of it's services.

    Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
    WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
    And WP by default all services are MS services

    Before using wp I always use google services.
    When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
    I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

    If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
    Just like Android force you to use Google services
    WP also forces you to use MS services.
    This is not just me but it applies with every user.
    Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
    So, WP matter to Google.

    It not just Google
    But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex
    If Microsoft had an irrational Google complex, it wouldn't be supporting Android with its apps and services, or rather, not build those services to be strong on Google's offerings. Microsoft could have easily put a basic Skype app on Android and left it there, but no, it keeps updating and improving it. Microsoft is doing real business, it's Google that's ignoring tens of millions of active users.

    This isn't an issue of OS vs OS, but rather, Google pushing its revenue generators to as many users as possible. Android is just a means to deliver those ends, not the end itself. WP is basically the same for Microsoft (to push Microsoft services), and if Google seriously did want to compete with MS services, it'd aggressively push Google alternatives.

    In the end I think it's just Google wanting to beat a Microsoft OS for the sake of beating a Microsoft OS. Android and mobile would be their best bet in that regard, but that is not to say it'd go against their core business (i.e. search and advertising) by supporting WP. It wouldn't...to the contrary, it'd support it.
    08-29-2014 01:21 AM
  12. D M C's Avatar
    If Microsoft had an irrational Google complex, it wouldn't be supporting Android with its apps and services, or rather, not build those services to be strong on Google's offerings. Microsoft could have easily put a basic Skype app on Android and left it there, but no, it keeps updating and improving it. Microsoft is doing real business, it's Google that's ignoring tens of millions of active users.

    This isn't an issue of OS vs OS, but rather, Google pushing its revenue generators to as many users as possible. Android is just a means to deliver those ends, not the end itself. WP is basically the same for Microsoft (to push Microsoft services), and if Google seriously did want to compete with MS services, it'd aggressively push Google alternatives.

    In the end I think it's just Google wanting to beat a Microsoft OS for the sake of beating a Microsoft OS. Android and mobile would be their best bet in that regard, but that is not to say it'd go against their core business (i.e. search and advertising) by supporting WP. It wouldn't...to the contrary, it'd support it.
    You are aawesome
    I just mention why MS support Android.
    Yet you bring the same thing again & again.
    Read my comment carefully.
    If not at least see things clearly.

    I am repeating again.
    MS isn't supporting Android because they are kind and think about users.
    It's about profit.
    As I said Android is more stronger than MS services that is why they are providing services.

    Google support Windows in PC.
    They provide every services to windows.
    Why?

    Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

    Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


    MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

    Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

    Please read the comments carefully and then comment.
    Last edited by D M C; 08-29-2014 at 02:09 AM.
    08-29-2014 01:46 AM
  13. DER1996's Avatar
    Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

    Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


    MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

    Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

    Please read the comments carefully and then comment.
    So with your 1st point , comparing the strength of google services with windows , well it's not really possible since you're comparing two different things here , and not like an air plane with a car , but more like a gorilla and an ape ,they're two different " beasts " so any comparison is useless .
    2nd Point : agree but Android has an even more powerful position because the mobile market is set to grow while the pc market isn't .
    3rd Point : Which Linux will they support ? Ubuntu , Linux mint , Debian etc. Supporting the different Linux distros will have little benefit for Microsoft and would hardly be profitable , since Linux users (mainstream) tend to choose free software over MS software , and pros on Linux are a minority in a minority , that solve their problems with virtual machines , which are more profitable to MS ( any win software + win license = More $ )
    So unlike google where supporting other platforms is mostly profitable , for MS it simply isn't. Especially since windows on PCs still cots.
    4th Point : Google can actually gain by driving MS out of business , but they also can gain by driving apple out of business ;But they won't be doing it because they don't want to be hit with an anti-trust , and it's actually more profitable for google to live as a " parasite" on other platforms , Less development costs = More profit : so if MS allows google a bit more access on WP , as you stated, I doubt they'd turn away , but they won't be discontinuing android any time soon either .
    5th Point : Let's keep it civilized ;)
    08-29-2014 02:26 AM
  14. bilzkh's Avatar
    You are aawesome

    I just mention why MS support Android.
    Yet you bring the same thing again & again.
    Read my comment carefully.
    If not at least see things clearly.

    I am repeating again.
    MS isn't supporting Android because they are kind and think about users.
    It's about profit.
    As I said Android is more stronger than MS services that is why they are providing services.

    Google support Windows in PC.
    They provide every services to windows.
    Why?

    Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

    Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


    MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

    Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

    Please read the comments carefully and then comment.
    I am not looking at it based on market-share, but actual user base. How is not supporting 40-50 million Windows Phone users (which grows by at least 6-7 million users a quarter) a good business decision? Google has no problem letting YouTube slip on products with less users (e.g. Xbox One), yet has a problem with Windows Phone, which has many more users and people who will use Google's services by the hour, every day?

    How on earth is ignoring 40+ million users "business" ? Doing business actually means selling something, but Google isn't exactly selling anything to a hefty market that actually desires their services! That's irrational.

    You can repeat your points all you want, but until you objectively explain how my point (about Google ignoring tens of millions of users when it caters a few million elsewhere) is wrong, I am going to keep delivering my point.
    08-29-2014 02:29 AM
  15. Visa Declined's Avatar
    As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex
    Do they though? You don't see Google launching attack ads and campaigns against Microsoft. By looking at whats taken place the last couple of years, I would say Microsoft is the one that's butthurt. Google simply pretends that Microsoft doesn't exist.

    Just like Android force you to use Google services
    No, they don't. You can use whatever services you want on Android phones. I could completely use all Microsoft services if I wanted to, other than IE. OneDrive, OneNote, etc. all work excellent on Android. And I could use Opera of Firefox for a browser.
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    08-29-2014 02:54 AM
  16. bilzkh's Avatar
    Do they though? You don't see Google launching attack ads and campaigns against Microsoft. By looking at whats taken place the last couple of years, I would say Microsoft is the one that's butthurt. Google simply pretends that Microsoft doesn't exist.
    ...and if Google wanted to do the same against Microsoft via marketing, it is free to do so, in my opinion. It's one thing to see companies slag each other via marketing and messaging, but it's quite another to intentionally shut users out as a means to take out a competitor. If Microsoft were to take a page from Google's playbook we'd see it cripple the Skype, Office Mobile, Outlook.com, etc, services on Android, easily. That's irrational and butthurt, to go so far against users just to slam a competitor.
    08-29-2014 03:06 AM
  17. D M C's Avatar
    I am not looking at it based on market-share, but actual user base. How is not supporting 40-50 million Windows Phone users (which grows by at least 6-7 million users a quarter) a good business decision? Google has no problem letting YouTube slip on products with less users (e.g. Xbox One), yet has a problem with Windows Phone, which has many more users and people who will use Google's services by the hour, every day?

    How on earth is ignoring 40+ million users "business" ? Doing business actually means selling something, but Google isn't exactly selling anything to a hefty market that actually desires their services! That's irrational.

    You can repeat your points all you want, but until you objectively explain how my point (about Google ignoring tens of millions of users when it caters a few million elsewhere) is wrong, I am going to keep delivering my point.
    Then I asked you same question then why not MS support Linux?
    They have also millions of users and most corporate use Linux then why?

    Moving to my part
    You know that
    YouTube have 800 plus millions users
    Gmail have 286 plus millions users
    And many more......

    If Google provides it's services then these users have choice to use WP.

    Why would Google risks millions Billions of users for 50 millions users?
    Their is no way Google letting these users to give choice WP which have it's competitor services. Because as we know WP forces you to use MS services.

    That is why Google isn't going to provide it's services to WP.
    If someone who uses only Google services then that users never be able to satisfied with WP and surly move to Android or iOS.
    Avg user will blame WP for that it has no Google apps not Google.


    Business is much more than what you think.
    People who are sitting in Google offices know better than you & I.
    That is why Google is successful IT company.

    If the are doing mistake then they probably going to pay for it.
    And MS is going to get benefits from it.
    08-29-2014 03:15 AM
  18. D M C's Avatar
    No, they don't. You can use whatever services you want on Android phones. I could completely use all Microsoft services if I wanted to, other than IE. OneDrive, OneNote, etc. all work excellent on Android. And I could use Opera of Firefox for a browser.
    I mean by default you have Google services.
    08-29-2014 03:21 AM
  19. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    If Google wanted to "hurt" a competitor, Apple would be the logical target.
    Google cannot hurt Apple.
    Last edited by psudotechzealot; 08-29-2014 at 06:16 AM.
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    08-29-2014 05:49 AM
  20. DER1996's Avatar
    Google can't hurt Apple.
    Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store , and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone , Sure iOS is neat and the iPhone hardware is far from Bad , But compared to High end androids and WPs , it can legitimately be called sub-par .
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    08-29-2014 06:12 AM
  21. psudotechzealot's Avatar
    Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store
    So, Apple had remove Google maps in 2012 and that did not hinder the iphones sales.

    and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone
    No, I gotta disagree with that, the Apple brand makes Iphone. besides the first Iphone did not have many app, but it still sold well.
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    08-29-2014 07:10 AM
  22. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store , and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone , Sure iOS is neat and the iPhone hardware is far from Bad , But compared to High end androids and WPs , it can legitimately be called sub-par .
    I've been trying to stay off this thread because we don't really know the reasons behind things, I'll give my opinion in a sec, but I had to say that stating the iPhone is 'subpar' compared to WP and Android is wrong. It's a good device. It still delivers and it is by far the most optimized OS on the market. Whether you like the ecosystem or OS is irrelevant. It is still the best selling single phone around. Apple doesn't need Google. Period. Google needs Apple more. Regardless how you think or feel about the issue. Google knows where the money is.
    08-29-2014 07:16 AM
  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Now how to end this seemingly endless war. Well, to put it bluntly, we can't do much about it.

    Why does Google choose to ignore WP and the quantity of users? My only conclusion to this is based on an assumption. That assumption is that WP is too locked down and access to the information Google wants is not easily obtained. That would be my guess. In other words, they can't make money out of WP like they can with Android or Apple. I cannot see any other reasoning behind it. To any company, users of your services are money. Google obviously has an issue of not getting the returns it feels it wants from WP, therefore it won't bother until it can.

    Disagree with me if you wish as this is purely my opinion but I don't see any other reasoning behind it.
    08-29-2014 07:21 AM
  24. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    youtubes official app isnt needed anyway,all it will do is add adverts in all our videos,youtube HD and metrotube are the best youtube clients ever
    google is geniunely scared of windows phone but not apple
    apple and google have copied alot of WP design etv(multitasking style in ios 7,android L copied the UI style),WP may not have all the features but it has a unique feel to it unlike ios and android which is what scares google,
    apple isnt trying to compete with windows phone imho,they seem hell bent on putting down android/google/samsung
    08-29-2014 07:27 AM
  25. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Isn't that Google said this before.
    Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
    Google will not going to release any of it's services.

    Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
    WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
    And WP by default all services are MS services

    Before using wp I always use google services.
    When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
    I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

    If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
    Just like Android force you to use Google services
    WP also forces you to use MS services.
    This is not just me but it applies with every user.
    Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
    So, WP matter to Google.

    It not just Google
    But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex
    google forces you to join youtube,google+ etc even if we dont wanna,microsoft doesnt force us to do so,it only wants an ms account for the store ,its not making you join subpar social networks
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    08-29-2014 07:32 AM
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