Let's discuss this Google vs Microsoft War ( because we're the ones losing :p )

[DER1996]

About Chrome, I wouldn't use that even if Firefox suddenly became unavailable, I only stick with Firefox because of many extentions and plugins, and if that's gone, I'd just stick to IE or Opera.

This is something else we need on WP, I mean since Firefox OS isn't a direct competiton to WP and windows phone allows we should definitely ask for it , or at least tell MS to make a sort of IE with an app store , extensions AND is 100 % ( but let's face it we'll get 70 % if we're lucky ) standard compliant just to show google that they should stop F****** up internet standards with their chrome store and convince web devs how much ie and MS have changes
Bonus tip : I hear the IE teams and FF teams are kind of friendly , would love to see the collaborate( in a wilder dream a browser based on both ; but with ME and Vista ,I'm now convinced merging two different products is a BAD idea )

 

[DER1996]

Providing Google services is up to Google.

The only alternative Microsoft has is take on Google Search by driving worldwide Bing adoption. I'm not sure what Microsoft is doing in that regard, but it's clear Bing isn't anywhere near as pervasive or prolific in the international market as Google. And unfortunately, the current Microsoft isn't run by people seeking to take Google head-on, they'd sooner buy iPhones (or even Androids) than fight Google, IMHO.

Actually with their scroogled campaign , they sort of are , but badly and the main problem with old MS , it's errible in investing in projects that will only generate in the future aka their web services and WP , with the new management that's changing ( to a degree) , and well bing isn't even supposed to be a direct competitor to google any more , BUT more like a research project that's the backbone of a lot of MS services . And while I agree providing google services is up to google , it certainly WILL NOT hurt MS to provide incentives ,( Kill scroogled , allow Google AD Mob sdk better access , help them in building the apps , etc . ) I mean Google still wants to increase its gravity and always wants to be platform independent , and it's also NOT a software company , BUT an Advertising company , you support their business and they'll do the same , e.g : the google and apple relation ship .Apple is a competitor but the apps exist and are well supported in iOS not only because they enhance the gravity of android ( the same apps will exist when you switch , especially that google makes 5 of the top 10 ) but because it brings them quite a sum of money .

 

[Jazmac]

I say Cage Match between Satya Nedella and Larry Paige.

 

[DoctorSaline]

Google probably has bigger ambitions than people give them credit.

For years, MS was the King of PCs market through windows and Enterprise through Office software. There was no real competitor to them. Linux could never get people's trust (perhaps) and Apple always had a niche customer base.

But now, google has come and winds have shifted. Google is as reputable as MS, perhaps even more. On top of that, they are ruling smartphone market. When smartphones started taking jobs of computers, google was there to provide for consumers. When enterprise demand called, google filled in with google docs. It probably helped them that MS didn't have its offerings on either iOS or android until now. What this has done is that people are getting to get comfortable with google's offerings as an alternative to Microsoft. Remember Office is Microsoft's biggest cash cow. Now it is in jeopardy. Google sensing blood waged war on OS market as well with its android and chrome OS. As far as most consumers are concerned, chrome OS or android is enough for their needs. Their media needs are in check. ARM already offers longer battery life. Their social needs are in check through android's vast ecosystem of apps and games. They have google docs for productivity. And where google lacks, 3rd party developers take care of them. And it helps that people are dependant on Google services may it be mail, maps, calendar or YouTube. And they are using this dependency to pull people from other platforms(mainly people from Windows and windows phone) towards Google's platform and thus, ecosystem. If successful, google may probably enter x86/64 PC market as well as gaming. It is already present everywhere else. They reason why they don't target Apple is because Apple has already carved a dedicated loyal market for itself. Plus Apple's expansion is always controlled since they don't expand their services to other hardware. Plus their target demographic is a small no of people in the world.
This scenario explains what is going on between Google and Microsoft in my opinion. There are some tough years ahead for MS and the only area they can truly sustain seeing how things look now a days is back end cloud services. If they have to stay relevant, they need to establish themselves in mobile platform which in turn will provide strength to their other money generating services such as office etc. MS are aware of it which probably explains "Cloud first, mobile first" motto by Satya Nadella.

 

[Jazmac]

To the OP, if we are the ones losing as you say, why are you here? Why do we stay? Is our collective heads in the sand? Why hasn't the doors to WPCentral closed yet if this is losing?

I look at it this way, Balmer got Windows Phone launched. He also got the stores launched and got more apps in that store quicker than did Apple for the iphone. In this environment, not a simple task. And lets not forget MS Office 2013 and Office 365.

Windows Vista is a fluke because it dropped between CEO installations but Windows 7 is stellar and that was also done under Balmer. We have a new CEO and it is expected that during the sometimes painful transition period, we get another lull in the processes. I say we are surviving well without an official youtube client and those that need gmail is still getting it. If Nadella can get his troops in place, perhaps we'll get official. And when that happens, most of us will opt to use one of the many third party Youtube apps anyway, simply because they are better designed. Metrotube, MyTube toib and ProTube.and especially for the MetroUI, my fav, Youtube for Windows 8. That one is beautiful.
Businesses like money more than squabbling. So it could still happen. We got a long life to go with Windows Phone and this PTSD, self-mutilation.we are so quick to believe written by bloggers we KNOW hate MS, and carelessly toss around like door prizes about Windows Phone, is no benefit to the community.

We are not going to fix those nasty bloggers and we should limit publishing their hate or trying to extract reality from their perverted view of what and who we are. They are in too deep with the hate anyway. Their fans would run them out of town if they even attempt to say something positive about Windows Phone. So quit expecting it.

 

[bilzkh]

It's business.And what Google is doing is pure business.

Any other company will do same as what google did.

But first you have to understand the way business done.
Google do not hold any grudge against MS.
It's just that they both are competitor's.
About Xbox.
Google isn't in game consoles business so they do not have problem in providing their services but Google is in smartphone business.
It's very simple to understand this.

I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?

 

[salmanahmad]

I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?

I don't think you could fully blame this on Google however, they did make a YouTube app but was pulled due to conflicts with Microsoft(I hear).

YouTube is just one of the apps, another one is Google Chrome but I don't see it coming to Windows Phone anytime soon because Windows Phone doesn't support WebKit based browsers.

 

[DoctorSaline]

I don't think you could fully blame this on Google however, they did make a YouTube app but was pulled due to conflicts with Microsoft(I hear).

Well, what happened was that Microsoft had somehow made a YouTube app that was lauded in tech circles as better app than Google's own version. But, the app perhaps didn't comply to google's ads and wasn't based on html5 so google blocked some essential key on their end and forced Microsoft to comply with Google's standards. Whatever the real reason, they kept blocking it till MS gave up and put a web wrapper YouTube app instead.

 

[Kel Bin]

I think there is sth about Microsoft. Ppl in Google uses macbook for development, or during those Google video that I see. Even apple shares a better relation than Microsoft with Google.

Maybe Google apps will come if Microsoft stop collecting royalties from Android oem

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[FAHMI BASSEM]

We don't need Google, we have the developers, we have this community.

 

[colinkiama]

We don't need Google, we have the developers, we have this community.

We need google. Where is candy crush, clash of clans, dead trigger, hyperlapse, vsco cam. Why isnt instagram and kik updated. There are people who won't buy a windows phone because of the lack of official google apps like youtube, hangouts, google+ etc. 300,000 aps vs 1 million. We have so many ideas but we can't bring them to life since we have to pay a lot to get visual studio. Requires windows 8 64bit. People with windows 7 have to upgrade to that. They are slow to release APIs. They are also slow to respond to the uservoice suggestions and feedback. I have to admit though we do have a decent community but microsoft doesn't make use of us properly.

 

[D M C]

I disagree. Google's core source of revenue is its advertising and to an extent selling services, and to do that, it needs the maximum number of users possible. It shouldn't matter if it's on Windows Phone.

Many Windows Phone users are already predisposed to depending on Google's services, so why shut those 40 to 50 million users out because you're competing with the WP OS?

Why should the WP OS even matter when you could mint money from YouTube, Google Maps, Google Mail, Docs, Drive, etc, and actually corner Microsoft's own services on its own mobile platform?

Yes, the availability of Google's stuff will add momentum to Windows Phone sales and may even take away from Android... Sure, but what does it matter if Android is nothing more than a carrier of Google's services?

Ok, I think you understand this.
Then why are complaining.
No company would ever make a competitor strong.

About your ads and user base.
It will be a loss in long run if Google provided services now.
Don't you know Apple Google negotiations.
If don't then you should know that Google gives quite a portion revenue which Google generate from Apple products.

Ok I'll try to put this in simple language.
Weak join strong.
Strong do not join weak.

Google services for now are more stronger than WP.
Means if Google provided it's services now then the most benefited will be WP means MS not Google and it's services.
But this is not with the case of Windows for PC.
Where Windows is more stronger than Google services .
And this why MS providing it's services to Android because
Android is more stronger than MS services. If MS provides it's services then Android will not get any special benefit but MS can get some users base.
Means MS is the one who get most benefits

Now tell me why should Google provides it's services to WP?
Why would they should support competitor which is getting weak?

Keep in mind that Google is doing business not charity.

 

[hemanlive]

Hey Guys, let us not forget that Google, or should I say android, is only present on mobile and tablet space. Microsoft has PCs, servers, Xbox and mobile OS is the newest kid of MS's block. They are going in the right direction in my opinion. They made a blunder in entering late this field otherwise, Android users would be cribbing about lack of OS on that platform.
Having said that, I feel windows is adding apps to its fold. However, that number cannot and will not improve unless we have a much bigger user base.
Microsoft should aggressively target corporate users in my opinion. They will not give a damn if the latest and most popular games are there on the phones or not. They will want their VPNs, documents, conference calls, outlook mails and calendars etc. to work on mobiles and tabs. That is where Microsoft has an inherent advantage. Windows is more secure and more compatible with existing OS in offices. Also the collaboration through MS Lync is much better than anything else present in the market.
At the end user side, i.e. our side, only thing that MS can do is to compete on price. If much smaller players can provide best of specs at such ridiculous prices, there is no reason for Lumia phones to be at par or just a tad lower than Samsung/HTC/iPhones. Typically entry level should be about $100 or less, lower mid-range (630 & 730) should be about $150, upper mid range (830/1330) should be less than $200 and the flagship phones should not be priced more than $350. I am not being too demanding or unrealistic. Even with with Quad/octa core processors, 2GB or more of RAM, front camera of 2MP and rear of 12MP or more, there are phones in China and India which cost less than $300. If those guys can do it, I am sure MS can do so at may be $50 (or maximum of $100) more with its much deeper pockets. Even if it means losing on margins for first couple of years then so be it. Once it has the volumes it need not worry about low margins. That kind of aggression will break competition and developers would be left with no choice but to make Windows their go to platform for developing apps.
Till that time we will have complaints from users and developers alike. Price is the only thing that can shut everything up and push sales. Rest all is BS

 

[bilzkh]

Ok, I think you understand this.
Then why are complaining.
No company would ever make a competitor strong.

About your ads and user base.
It will be a loss in long run if Google provided services now.
Don't you know Apple Google negotiations.
If don't then you should know that Google gives quite a portion revenue which Google generate from Apple products.

Ok I'll try to put this in simple language.
Weak join strong.
Strong do not join weak.

Google services for now are more stronger than WP.
Means if Google provided it's services now then the most benefited will be WP means MS not Google and it's services.
But this is not with the case of Windows for PC.
Where Windows is more stronger than Google services .
And this why MS providing it's services to Android because
Android is more stronger than MS services. If MS provides it's services then Android will not get any special benefit but MS can get some users base.
Means MS is the one who get most benefits

Now tell me why should Google provides it's services to WP?
Why would they should support competitor which is getting weak?

Keep in mind that Google is doing business not charity.

Firstly, do Apple and Microsoft have the same revenue deduction strategy? I'm not 100% sure they do, and even if they did, I doubt that is what's stopping Google. If it were so, then Google would have said something about it and I am sure, 100%, if it meant getting more WP users, Microsoft would budge in Google's favour on that note.

Anyways, Google is missing out on some 40-50 million Windows Phone users today, and if Windows Phone does manage to keep growing, that number will climb to 70 million, then 100 million and so on. I don't know in what world servicing a 100 million users with your ad-based services is not profitable or difficult to support, but it isn't a rational perspective. They have a chance at dominating another market segment *and* making a profit, yet they're for some reason choosing not to go there.

Google is in a rare position where its brand power is enough to get users on non-Google platforms to seek out Google services such as YouTube, Docs, GMail, etc. Strengthening WP shouldn't mean anything to them, especially when going into WP could mean having a chance at beating Microsoft's services on its own platforms.

As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex.

 

[D M C]

Firstly, do Apple and Microsoft have the same revenue deduction strategy? I'm not 100% sure they do, and even if they did, I doubt that is what's stopping Google. If it were so, then Google would have said something about it and I am sure, 100%, if it meant getting more WP users, Microsoft would budge in Google's favour on that note.

Anyways, Google is missing out on some 40-50 million Windows Phone users today, and if Windows Phone does manage to keep growing, that number will climb to 70 million, then 100 million and so on. I don't know in what world servicing a 100 million users with your ad-based services is not profitable or difficult to support, but it isn't a rational perspective. They have a chance at dominating another market segment *and* making a profit, yet they're for some reason choosing not to go there.

Google is in a rare position where its brand power is enough to get users on non-Google platforms to seek out Google services such as YouTube, Docs, GMail, etc. Strengthening WP shouldn't mean anything to them, especially when going into WP could mean having a chance at beating Microsoft's services on its own platforms.

As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex.

Isn't that Google said this before.
Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
Google will not going to release any of it's services.

Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
And WP by default all services are MS services

Before using wp I always use google services.
When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
Just like Android force you to use Google services
WP also forces you to use MS services.
This is not just me but it applies with every user.
Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
So, WP matter to Google.

It not just Google
But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex

 

[bilzkh]

Isn't that Google said this before.
Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
Google will not going to release any of it's services.

Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
And WP by default all services are MS services

Before using wp I always use google services.
When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
Just like Android force you to use Google services
WP also forces you to use MS services.
This is not just me but it applies with every user.
Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
So, WP matter to Google.

It not just Google
But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex

If Microsoft had an irrational Google complex, it wouldn't be supporting Android with its apps and services, or rather, not build those services to be strong on Google's offerings. Microsoft could have easily put a basic Skype app on Android and left it there, but no, it keeps updating and improving it. Microsoft is doing real business, it's Google that's ignoring tens of millions of active users.

This isn't an issue of OS vs OS, but rather, Google pushing its revenue generators to as many users as possible. Android is just a means to deliver those ends, not the end itself. WP is basically the same for Microsoft (to push Microsoft services), and if Google seriously did want to compete with MS services, it'd aggressively push Google alternatives.

In the end I think it's just Google wanting to beat a Microsoft OS for the sake of beating a Microsoft OS. Android and mobile would be their best bet in that regard, but that is not to say it'd go against their core business (i.e. search and advertising) by supporting WP. It wouldn't...to the contrary, it'd support it.

 

[D M C]

If Microsoft had an irrational Google complex, it wouldn't be supporting Android with its apps and services, or rather, not build those services to be strong on Google's offerings. Microsoft could have easily put a basic Skype app on Android and left it there, but no, it keeps updating and improving it. Microsoft is doing real business, it's Google that's ignoring tens of millions of active users.

This isn't an issue of OS vs OS, but rather, Google pushing its revenue generators to as many users as possible. Android is just a means to deliver those ends, not the end itself. WP is basically the same for Microsoft (to push Microsoft services), and if Google seriously did want to compete with MS services, it'd aggressively push Google alternatives.

In the end I think it's just Google wanting to beat a Microsoft OS for the sake of beating a Microsoft OS. Android and mobile would be their best bet in that regard, but that is not to say it'd go against their core business (i.e. search and advertising) by supporting WP. It wouldn't...to the contrary, it'd support it.

You are aawesome
I just mention why MS support Android.
Yet you bring the same thing again & again.
Read my comment carefully.
If not at least see things clearly.

I am repeating again.
MS isn't supporting Android because they are kind and think about users.
It's about profit.
As I said Android is more stronger than MS services that is why they are providing services.

Google support Windows in PC.
They provide every services to windows.
Why?

Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

Please read the comments carefully and then comment.

 

[DER1996]

Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

Please read the comments carefully and then comment.

So with your 1st point , comparing the strength of google services with windows , well it's not really possible since you're comparing two different things here , and not like an air plane with a car , but more like a gorilla and an ape ,they're two different " beasts " so any comparison is useless .
2nd Point : agree but Android has an even more powerful position because the mobile market is set to grow while the pc market isn't .
3rd Point : Which Linux will they support ? Ubuntu , Linux mint , Debian etc. Supporting the different Linux distros will have little benefit for Microsoft and would hardly be profitable , since Linux users (mainstream) tend to choose free software over MS software , and pros on Linux are a minority in a minority , that solve their problems with virtual machines , which are more profitable to MS ( any win software + win license = More $ )
So unlike google where supporting other platforms is mostly profitable , for MS it simply isn't. Especially since windows on PCs still cots.
4th Point : Google can actually gain by driving MS out of business , but they also can gain by driving apple out of business ;But they won't be doing it because they don't want to be hit with an anti-trust , and it's actually more profitable for google to live as a " parasite" on other platforms , Less development costs = More profit : so if MS allows google a bit more access on WP , as you stated, I doubt they'd turn away , but they won't be discontinuing android any time soon either .
5th Point : Let's keep it civilized

 

[bilzkh]

You are aawesome

I just mention why MS support Android.
Yet you bring the same thing again & again.
Read my comment carefully.
If not at least see things clearly.

I am repeating again.
MS isn't supporting Android because they are kind and think about users.
It's about profit.
As I said Android is more stronger than MS services that is why they are providing services.

Google support Windows in PC.
They provide every services to windows.
Why?

Because Windows is more stronger than Google services.

Windows in PC and Android in smartphone have same position.


MS doesn't services provide it's to Linux which have almost same market share as WP in smartphone.

Both MS & Google doing same thing it's just that MS supporter are not able to see that.

Please read the comments carefully and then comment.

I am not looking at it based on market-share, but actual user base. How is not supporting 40-50 million Windows Phone users (which grows by at least 6-7 million users a quarter) a good business decision? Google has no problem letting YouTube slip on products with less users (e.g. Xbox One), yet has a problem with Windows Phone, which has many more users and people who will use Google's services by the hour, every day?

How on earth is ignoring 40+ million users "business" ? Doing business actually means selling something, but Google isn't exactly selling anything to a hefty market that actually desires their services! That's irrational.

You can repeat your points all you want, but until you objectively explain how my point (about Google ignoring tens of millions of users when it caters a few million elsewhere) is wrong, I am going to keep delivering my point.

 

[Visa Declined]

As I said earlier, Google has an irrational butthurt Microsoft-complex

Do they though? You don't see Google launching attack ads and campaigns against Microsoft. By looking at whats taken place the last couple of years, I would say Microsoft is the one that's butthurt. Google simply pretends that Microsoft doesn't exist.

Just like Android force you to use Google services

No, they don't. You can use whatever services you want on Android phones. I could completely use all Microsoft services if I wanted to, other than IE. OneDrive, OneNote, etc. all work excellent on Android. And I could use Opera of Firefox for a browser.