Let's discuss this Google vs Microsoft War ( because we're the ones losing :p )

[bilzkh]

Do they though? You don't see Google launching attack ads and campaigns against Microsoft. By looking at whats taken place the last couple of years, I would say Microsoft is the one that's butthurt. Google simply pretends that Microsoft doesn't exist.

...and if Google wanted to do the same against Microsoft via marketing, it is free to do so, in my opinion. It's one thing to see companies slag each other via marketing and messaging, but it's quite another to intentionally shut users out as a means to take out a competitor. If Microsoft were to take a page from Google's playbook we'd see it cripple the Skype, Office Mobile, Outlook.com, etc, services on Android, easily. That's irrational and butthurt, to go so far against users just to slam a competitor.

 

[D M C]

I am not looking at it based on market-share, but actual user base. How is not supporting 40-50 million Windows Phone users (which grows by at least 6-7 million users a quarter) a good business decision? Google has no problem letting YouTube slip on products with less users (e.g. Xbox One), yet has a problem with Windows Phone, which has many more users and people who will use Google's services by the hour, every day?

How on earth is ignoring 40+ million users "business" ? Doing business actually means selling something, but Google isn't exactly selling anything to a hefty market that actually desires their services! That's irrational.

You can repeat your points all you want, but until you objectively explain how my point (about Google ignoring tens of millions of users when it caters a few million elsewhere) is wrong, I am going to keep delivering my point.

Then I asked you same question then why not MS support Linux?
They have also millions of users and most corporate use Linux then why?

Moving to my part
You know that
YouTube have 800 plus millions users
Gmail have 286 plus millions users
And many more......

If Google provides it's services then these users have choice to use WP.

Why would Google risks millions Billions of users for 50 millions users?
Their is no way Google letting these users to give choice WP which have it's competitor services. Because as we know WP forces you to use MS services.

That is why Google isn't going to provide it's services to WP.
If someone who uses only Google services then that users never be able to satisfied with WP and surly move to Android or iOS.
Avg user will blame WP for that it has no Google apps not Google.


Business is much more than what you think.
People who are sitting in Google offices know better than you & I.
That is why Google is successful IT company.

If the are doing mistake then they probably going to pay for it.
And MS is going to get benefits from it.

 

[D M C]

No, they don't. You can use whatever services you want on Android phones. I could completely use all Microsoft services if I wanted to, other than IE. OneDrive, OneNote, etc. all work excellent on Android. And I could use Opera of Firefox for a browser.

I mean by default you have Google services.

 

[psudotechzealot]

If Google wanted to "hurt" a competitor, Apple would be the logical target.

Google cannot hurt Apple.

 

[DER1996]

Google can't hurt Apple.

Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store , and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone , Sure iOS is neat and the iPhone hardware is far from Bad , But compared to High end androids and WPs , it can legitimately be called sub-par .

 

[psudotechzealot]

Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store

So, Apple had remove Google maps in 2012 and that did not hinder the iphones sales.

and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone

No, I gotta disagree with that, the Apple brand makes Iphone. besides the first Iphone did not have many app, but it still sold well.

 

[N_LaRUE]

Uhm they can , I mean Google makes 5 of the top 10 apps in the iTunes App store , and let's face its the apps that make the iPhone , Sure iOS is neat and the iPhone hardware is far from Bad , But compared to High end androids and WPs , it can legitimately be called sub-par .

I've been trying to stay off this thread because we don't really know the reasons behind things, I'll give my opinion in a sec, but I had to say that stating the iPhone is 'subpar' compared to WP and Android is wrong. It's a good device. It still delivers and it is by far the most optimized OS on the market. Whether you like the ecosystem or OS is irrelevant. It is still the best selling single phone around. Apple doesn't need Google. Period. Google needs Apple more. Regardless how you think or feel about the issue. Google knows where the money is.

 

[N_LaRUE]

Now how to end this seemingly endless war. Well, to put it bluntly, we can't do much about it.

Why does Google choose to ignore WP and the quantity of users? My only conclusion to this is based on an assumption. That assumption is that WP is too locked down and access to the information Google wants is not easily obtained. That would be my guess. In other words, they can't make money out of WP like they can with Android or Apple. I cannot see any other reasoning behind it. To any company, users of your services are money. Google obviously has an issue of not getting the returns it feels it wants from WP, therefore it won't bother until it can.

Disagree with me if you wish as this is purely my opinion but I don't see any other reasoning behind it.

 

[Karthik Naik]

youtubes official app isnt needed anyway,all it will do is add adverts in all our videos,youtube HD and metrotube are the best youtube clients ever
google is geniunely scared of windows phone but not apple
apple and google have copied alot of WP design etv(multitasking style in ios 7,android L copied the UI style),WP may not have all the features but it has a unique feel to it unlike ios and android which is what scares google,
apple isnt trying to compete with windows phone imho,they seem hell bent on putting down android/google/samsung

 

[Karthik Naik]

Isn't that Google said this before.
Or until WP became as strong or more stronger than Google services
Google will not going to release any of it's services.

Strengthening WP will matter to Google.
WP is MS OS who is direct competitor of Google.
And WP by default all services are MS services

Before using wp I always use google services.
When I purchased my Lumia phone I started using MS services too.
I also use bing(only for porn because it offer better search result) and Google.

If I was on Android then I would never use any MS services or may be never know about MS services.
Just like Android force you to use Google services
WP also forces you to use MS services.
This is not just me but it applies with every user.
Why would any company take risk to make competing product strong?
So, WP matter to Google.

It not just Google
But MS also has an irrational butthurt Google. Complex

google forces you to join youtube,google+ etc even if we dont wanna,microsoft doesnt force us to do so,it only wants an ms account for the store ,its not making you join subpar social networks

 

[Karthik Naik]

Hey Guys, let us not forget that Google, or should I say android, is only present on mobile and tablet space. Microsoft has PCs, servers, Xbox and mobile OS is the newest kid of MS's block. They are going in the right direction in my opinion. They made a blunder in entering late this field otherwise, Android users would be cribbing about lack of OS on that platform.
Having said that, I feel windows is adding apps to its fold. However, that number cannot and will not improve unless we have a much bigger user base.
Microsoft should aggressively target corporate users in my opinion. They will not give a damn if the latest and most popular games are there on the phones or not. They will want their VPNs, documents, conference calls, outlook mails and calendars etc. to work on mobiles and tabs. That is where Microsoft has an inherent advantage. Windows is more secure and more compatible with existing OS in offices. Also the collaboration through MS Lync is much better than anything else present in the market.
At the end user side, i.e. our side, only thing that MS can do is to compete on price. If much smaller players can provide best of specs at such ridiculous prices, there is no reason for Lumia phones to be at par or just a tad lower than Samsung/HTC/iPhones. Typically entry level should be about $100 or less, lower mid-range (630 & 730) should be about $150, upper mid range (830/1330) should be less than $200 and the flagship phones should not be priced more than $350. I am not being too demanding or unrealistic. Even with with Quad/octa core processors, 2GB or more of RAM, front camera of 2MP and rear of 12MP or more, there are phones in China and India which cost less than $300. If those guys can do it, I am sure MS can do so at may be $50 (or maximum of $100) more with its much deeper pockets. Even if it means losing on margins for first couple of years then so be it. Once it has the volumes it need not worry about low margins. That kind of aggression will break competition and developers would be left with no choice but to make Windows their go to platform for developing apps.
Till that time we will have complaints from users and developers alike. Price is the only thing that can shut everything up and push sales. Rest all is BS

i agree with you but the phone you mentioned - im guessing the xiaomi mi3 is a poorly made device so its not really a deal breaker except for the fact that it houses a snapdragon 800 for less than $400 but its totally not worth the pain of poor quality in other parts,rather get a moto g if i want a similiar android

 

[colinkiama]

google forces you to join youtube,google+ etc even if we dont wanna,microsoft doesnt force us to do so,it only wants an ms account for the store ,its not making you join subpar social networks

Have you even used google+. Its awesome, it's like twitter and facebook mixed together. Its is not subpar at all.

 

[salmanahmad]

youtubes official app isnt needed anyway,all it will do is add adverts in all our videos,youtube HD and metrotube are the best youtube clients ever
google is geniunely scared of windows phone but not apple
apple and google have copied alot of WP design etv(multitasking style in ios 7,android L copied the UI style),WP may not have all the features but it has a unique feel to it unlike ios and android which is what scares google,
apple isnt trying to compete with windows phone imho,they seem hell bent on putting down android/google/samsung

The advertisements help both you, and the person making the video, Google did indeed have a YouTube app on Windows Phone before Microsoft had conflicts with them which is why the app was pulled.

Google has many of it's own services on iPhone, which is a more direct competitor as opposed to Windows Phone which had a fluctuating market share. Google is not afraid, at all.

First of all, copying is what helps in operating system growth, Android, iOS have been copying each other for years and that's why both of them are advnaced, copying isn't bad.

But with that said, Windows Phone has copied a lot more from Android and iOS than vice versa, the multitasking style in iOS came from the card based multitasking in WebOS(not Windows Phone) and the UI in Android may have borrowed inspiration from Windows Phone but is nonetheless unique.

I have nothing against copying, but I just wanted to clear your many many misconceptions.

No company, apart from maybe Blackberry, is afraid of Windows Phone.

google forces you to join youtube,google+ etc even if we dont wanna,microsoft doesnt force us to do so,it only wants an ms account for the store ,its not making you join subpar social networks

No it doesn't, Google Play Services are active on your device so that you can receive updates and security patches however making a Google account is purely dependent on choice.

The YouTube also works without an account, but you do need to have an account to download things from the Play Store. Have you ever even used an Android device?

And the Google+ on Android is pretty amazing and lagless, I use Google+ a lot more nowadays because of the amazing app. It's nor subpar.

 

[colinkiama]

I know what microsoft need to do now. Drop bing. Google search is google's bread and butter. Not even apple has their own search engine, thats why they are getting google apps, but microsoft rely on bing and are competing with google in every way. Bing maps google maps, bing search google search, bing weather, bing news, google weather and news, cortana vs google now, bing ads, google ads. Bing could still exist as cortana however bing search is probably why google doesn't want to develop apps for microsoft. I will admit that apple made their own mapping software but they aren't really competing with google directly with their 1st party ecosystem. The problem is microsoft is. So this war will never stop until microsoft drops bing or windows phone gets a massive boost in marketshare.

My opinion.

 

[D M C]

google forces you to join youtube,google+ etc even if we dont wanna,microsoft doesnt force us to do so,it only wants an ms account for the store ,its not making you join subpar social networks

Tell me how do I change search buttons to Google.

MS forces you to use bing, outlook and other services

 

[Andrea988]

I admit to not having read all of this thread but to be honest I don't care who is the best company or who comes out on top. Both are mega rich corporations and I will go with the one whose products suit me best, just as I would with my choice of mobile phone.

The only thing I would say is that it's Microsoft's own fault that they got so far behind Google in the smartphone OS wars for leaving it so long. It would be reasonably obvious to even a novice business manager that if a competitor is doing so well and increasing market share so fast that you need to do something about it.

As such, Microsoft, possibly more than almost any other business in the world with their success and expertise with operating systems, have absolutely no excuse whatsoever for falling so far behind. Remember they were ridiculously wealthy before Google even got anywhere near the size they are today, and if WP eventually dies for lack of support and user take up Microsoft only have themselves to blame.

I love my first and only Windows phone to date but if they disappear completely - and I wouldn't be surprised - I won't be shedding any tears for Microsoft.

 

[salmanahmad]

I know what microsoft need to do now. Drop bing. Google search is google's bread and butter. Not even apple has their own search engine, thats why they are getting google apps, but microsoft rely on bing and are competing with google in every way. Bing maps google maps, bing search google search, bing weather, bing news, google weather and news, cortana vs google now, bing ads, google ads. Bing could still exist as cortana however bing search is probably why google doesn't want to develop apps for microsoft. I will admit that apple made their own mapping software but they aren't really competing with google directly with their 1st party ecosystem. The problem is microsoft is. So this war will never stop until microsoft drops bing or windows phone gets a massive boost in marketshare.

My opinion.

Maybe if people generally wanted Google services on Windows Phone, Microsoft would've tried harder to improve their relations with Microsoft however because of all the misinformation spread around about Google stealing your data and being an advertising company, Google and Microsoft probably realized that no one in the Windows Phone community wants any services from Google.

Cortana is nice, so is Internet Explorer and Bing Maps but IMO Google still makes a better browser and better maps, Cortana vs Google Now is debatable.

Maybe if people we're more positive about getting official Google services, Microsoft would've tried harder and so would've Google.

 

[realwarder]

I know what microsoft need to do now. Drop bing. Google search is google's bread and butter. Not even apple has their own search engine, thats why they are getting google apps, but microsoft rely on bing and are competing with google in every way. Bing maps google maps, bing search google search, bing weather, bing news, google weather and news, cortana vs google now, bing ads, google ads. Bing could still exist as cortana however bing search is probably why google doesn't want to develop apps for microsoft. I will admit that apple made their own mapping software but they aren't really competing with google directly with their 1st party ecosystem. The problem is microsoft is. So this war will never stop until microsoft drops bing or windows phone gets a massive boost in marketshare.

My opinion.

Bing is finally good and will soon make money so I doubt they'll drop it.

Marketshare is only way Google will respond as you say, so selling as many cheap phones as they can is the only way in. Premium buyers will buy Apple or Samsung. The budget end is the volume end and value for money is what matters.

The 520's selling for $39.99 is that attempt to raise market share. It is happening, just slower than I think even they expected.

 

[Jazmac]

Here comes the yellow flag..

 

[prasath1234]

I feel google wants wp to die because major phones that android run are low cost devices which are laggy but has apps.windows phone too have their share in the low end.in the low end segment it is Ms which gives you smooth experience not android.so google does not want to loose low end consumers for WP.That is why they want to kill wp.Apple is always top in high end which google cant do any thing.they will remain high end at least for 10 years.