09-20-2014 08:04 PM
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  1. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Can someone just start a uservoice for this? (Go a few points to spare) :)
    A uservoice? What's that?
    09-19-2014 08:47 PM
  2. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    The thing is, Apple has a habit of taking specs and making them into features. NFC by itself is not very useful. You need software like Android Beam or Superbeam to take advantage of NFC. With Apple Pay, Apple can offer consumers a virtual guarantee that most banks and stores will be accepting NFC cards by the end of this year. So now NFC is something that actually adds significant value to my life. Android has had tap to pay in most major chains in the UK (both NFC cards and smartphones with Google Wallet) but I have NEVER heard of a single WP EVER working with tap to pay. The feature exists, but can't be used in the US without an ISIS/Softcard app which doesn't exist. Similarly many other markets don't provide the secure SIM needed as well.
    I doubt I am adding to the debate, but here in Canada through our major coffee chain I can Tap to Pay with my Lumia 1020 and the Tim Hortons app.

    Mind you I had to set it to my Tim's Card, but I have a range of options once I paired my card. If the store is not set with an NFC enabled debit machine, they can scan a bar code my phone will show on screen.

    They have even teamed with Visa to offer an NFC combo Credit/Timmies card.

    Windows Phone NFC tap and pay is here, just not widely accepted right now ( as you have said).

    Apple is late to the party again with a feature that they can Hype and the iSheep will soon be yelling from the mountain tops that Apple invented this feature.
    09-19-2014 08:55 PM
  3. tgp's Avatar
    I doubt I am adding to the debate, but here in Canada through our major coffee chain I can Tap to Pay with my Lumia 1020 and the Tim Hortons app.
    Seriously, this is the first time I've ever heard of tap to pay actually working on WP! Although this is 100% specialized, it does prove that it can work.

    Now I'm curious: does Tim Hortons have a regular Paypass terminal? Could someone with an Android phone use the regular tap to pay with Google Wallet? Or is it strictly limited to using the Tim Hortons app?
    09-19-2014 09:31 PM
  4. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    Seriously, this is the first time I've ever heard of tap to pay actually working on WP! Although this is 100% specialized, it does prove that it can work.

    Now I'm curious: does Tim Hortons have a regular Paypass terminal? Could someone with an Android phone use the regular tap to pay with Google Wallet? Or is it strictly limited to using the Tim Hortons app?
    Most if not all Tim's now have NFC enabled Pay Terminals ( for sure every Tim's in major population centers), and the app covers all major OS phones.
    Android/Blackberry/iPhone/Windows Phone

    You must link your Tim's card to what ever phone you use, and I will guess with the launch of the iPhone6 their app now offers Tap to Pay, or will soon once the app gets updated.

    As to using Google wallet and Tap to pay I am not sure. As Tim's can now accept Visa and Master Card. An Android user would have to offer comment on this ability as I don't own an Android.
    09-19-2014 10:12 PM
  5. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    And I predict this Naik's next post will have a) hyperbole about how Android will kill you and eat your testicles b) threats to run to the mods about how I broke forum rules and c) something that demonstrates stunning ignorance
    Hi, it's me again. You just lied (again). To illustrate the depth of your idiocy, consider the security of the world's most popular closed source desktop OS and compare it to the security of the world's most popular open source desktop OS (UNIX/Linux).

    You see, open source has nothing to do with how secure an OS is. Remember the first rule of information security: No system is safe. If someone sets their mind to cracking something open and has the skills needed, they will most likely succeed. Popularity is the metric to keep an eye on; the more popular the OS, the more people will try to break into it. Some of them will succeed.

    I remember a saying I heard somewhere - the only place you'll find Android malware is on antivirus provider sites and WP sites :D

    Android is safe if you stick to the Play Store, avoid sideloading APKs and avoid rooting.
    You sir are a I'm sorry to say,if you cannot say anything relevant dont say a thing
    You want proof about how open source stuff usually is easier to hack see androids own malware
    There's more malware on android than apps
    Play store itself has malware,if you really believe in your posts I wish you luck
    As for your name calling and stupid remarks about other forum members like in that other thread,you are lucky none of us reported you,the way you posted ,be thankful for that and don't try to reply to our posts because you don't have anything revelant or helpful to contribute and only like to attack people
    09-19-2014 11:43 PM
  6. SillyFlamingo's Avatar
    Ok, guys, now you got me more confused than before.
    I am an ordinary private smartphone-user without any business usage and admins activating bitlocker or whatsoever.
    I would be thankful if some of you could help me with the following questions. Thanks in advance.

    1.As far as I understand Apple and Google will automatically encrypt the whole phone. Microsoft does not. But there seems to be bitlocker somewhere in the os but only accessable for business-users or phone experts unlike 95% of mankind. Is that true or am I just too stupid to encrypt my Lumia?

    2. Does anybody know about plans by MS to implement easy = automatic encryption?

    3. Is it paranoid to expect that degree of security on my phone? I don't care about the NSA but what about stolen phones and other attacks?

    4. Am I unfair to say that Windows Phone is behind the market - again - though they have bitlocker but only give it to business clients?

    The industry wants us to manage our whole life with our smartphones but I have my doubts. Why for example are there only 4 numbers to unlock my 920? Doesn't give me a feeling of good protection of my data.
    09-20-2014 04:16 AM
  7. luxnws's Avatar
    MS has a pdf called the "Windows Phone 8.1 Security Overview" dated April 2014 that is worth reading. Sorry, I don't have the link but you should be able to find it on windowsphone or microsoft sites using Bing.
    09-20-2014 04:52 AM
  8. SillyFlamingo's Avatar
    Thank you but what I found is only about "enterprise-level security features". No security for "ordinary people".
    09-20-2014 08:02 AM
  9. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Ok, guys, now you got me more confused than before.
    I am an ordinary private smartphone-user without any business usage and admins activating bitlocker or whatsoever.
    I would be thankful if some of you could help me with the following questions. Thanks in advance.

    1.As far as I understand Apple and Google will automatically encrypt the whole phone. Microsoft does not. But there seems to be bitlocker somewhere in the os but only accessable for business-users or phone experts unlike 95% of mankind. Is that true or am I just too stupid to encrypt my Lumia?

    2. Does anybody know about plans by MS to implement easy = automatic encryption?

    3. Is it paranoid to expect that degree of security on my phone? I don't care about the NSA but what about stolen phones and other attacks?

    4. Am I unfair to say that Windows Phone is behind the market - again - though they have bitlocker but only give it to business clients?

    The industry wants us to manage our whole life with our smartphones but I have my doubts. Why for example are there only 4 numbers to unlock my 920? Doesn't give me a feeling of good protection of my data.
    the proof and answer to your question is out there:-
    theres literally no piracy on windows phone(very tough and unreliable plus not worth the effort to save a couple bucks)
    windows phone and BB10 are the most secure operating systems in phones and havent been hacked yet
    even ios's icloud got breached but it was due to one small bug
    android/google will always have privacy,piracy and security issues in comarison to the rest owing to open source stuff
    i know naysayers will boo me for this comment and give explainations like windows phone and BB10 have a low marketshare and hence dont get hacked but we consumers need not care even if thats true(which its not,windows phone and BB10 and even ios are well secured),as consumers as long as we get our moneys worth security etc and no piracy as developers,we need not care about marketshare issues etc
    09-20-2014 09:33 AM
  10. tgp's Avatar
    theres literally no piracy on windows phone(very tough and unreliable plus not worth the effort to save a couple bucks)
    What do you call piracy? If you're talking about installing paid apps for free, then it's very easy, especially now that $19 will get you a developer's license (which I believe has just been changed to be a one-time fee rather than annual).
    09-20-2014 09:43 AM
  11. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    the proof and answer to your question is out there:-
    theres literally no piracy on windows phone(very tough and unreliable plus not worth the effort to save a couple bucks)
    windows phone and BB10 are the most secure operating systems in phones and havent been hacked yet
    even ios's icloud got breached but it was due to one small bug
    android/google will always have privacy,piracy and security issues in comarison to the rest owing to open source stuff
    i know naysayers will boo me for this comment and give explainations like windows phone and BB10 have a low marketshare and hence dont get hacked but we consumers need not care even if thats true(which its not,windows phone and BB10 and even ios are well secured),as consumers as long as we get our moneys worth security etc and no piracy as developers,we need not care about marketshare issues etc
    Talk about living in a fantasy world... Wow

    There was no bug in the icloud the hack was because of the users stupidity on their own passwords and was gotten by a brute force hack, and by software used by law enforcement agencies.

    As to WP customers not necessarily needing to worry.... Your way off base. Every cell phone user needs to worry about security regardless of what platform they are on. Open source software doesn't make it any easier to hack accounts or devices, it is all dependant on the individuals habits and wither they are sideloading apps, or opening email attachments that are infected. All platforms have vulnerabilities and can be exploited All of the app stores are good at getting rid of rouge apps and cleaning up things

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    09-20-2014 10:44 AM
  12. Jas00555's Avatar
    Talk about living in a fantasy world... Wow

    There was no bug in the icloud the hack was because of the users stupidity on their own passwords and was gotten by a brute force hack, and by software used by law enforcement agencies.

    As to WP customers not necessarily needing to worry.... Your way off base. Every cell phone user needs to worry about security regardless of what platform they are on. Open source software doesn't make it any easier to hack accounts or devices, it is all dependant on the individuals habits and wither they are sideloading apps, or opening email attachments that are infected. All platforms have vulnerabilities and can be exploited All of the app stores are good at getting rid of rouge apps and cleaning up things

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    Oh really? Nothing wrong with iCloud? Then explain to me how they were able to brute force it then? I mean, if they tried to do it to OneDrive/Dropbox/Google Drive they would've been shut out. Now, Apple has fixed the flaw, but to say that it was 100% user stupidity is just a lie.
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    09-20-2014 10:55 AM
  13. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Oh really? Nothing wrong with iCloud? Then explain to me how they were able to brute force it then? I mean, if they tried to do it to OneDrive/Dropbox/Google Drive they would've been shut out. Now, Apple has fixed the flaw, but to say that it was 100% user stupidity is just a lie.
    The problem is your knowledge on how a brute force program or those that the various law enforcement agencies use works, or where those individuals passwords were obtained.

    Making claims that it can't happen on other platforms is wrong.
    09-20-2014 11:04 AM
  14. Jas00555's Avatar
    The problem is your knowledge on how a brute force program or those that the various law enforcement agencies use works, or where those individuals passwords were obtained.

    Making claims that it can't happen on other platforms is wrong.
    No, the problem is that you don't understand what happened. If Apple didn't allow you have unlimited tries to log in, the consequences wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
    09-20-2014 12:05 PM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    What do you call piracy? If you're talking about installing paid apps for free, then it's very easy, especially now that $19 will get you a developer's license (which I believe has just been changed to be a one-time fee rather than annual).
    like i said its tougher and not worth the effort
    would you pay $19 just for unreliable piracy when you can get the app reliably from the store for $1-2

    Talk about living in a fantasy world... Wow

    There was no bug in the icloud the hack was because of the users stupidity on their own passwords and was gotten by a brute force hack, and by software used by law enforcement agencies.

    As to WP customers not necessarily needing to worry.... Your way off base. Every cell phone user needs to worry about security regardless of what platform they are on. Open source software doesn't make it any easier to hack accounts or devices, it is all dependant on the individuals habits and wither they are sideloading apps, or opening email attachments that are infected. All platforms have vulnerabilities and can be exploited All of the app stores are good at getting rid of rouge apps and cleaning up things

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    ^^not true at all
    and im way off base
    speak for yourself mate speak for yourself or dont say anything
    im a developer on every platform and know a thing or two about security
    my comment mentioned that naysayers will boo me and give an explaination which makes no sense
    as for icloud- 100 celebs hacked at once,seems a bit insecure doesnt it
    as for all app store being good at removing rogue apps-LOL play store has 90% malware/fake apps
    apple and ms do a great job at keeping malware at bay
    open source is easier to hack,just accept it even symbian got 2 viruses after going open source

    No, the problem is that you don't understand what happened. If Apple didn't allow you have unlimited tries to log in, the consequences wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
    Oh really? Nothing wrong with iCloud? Then explain to me how they were able to brute force it then? I mean, if they tried to do it to OneDrive/Dropbox/Google Drive they would've been shut out. Now, Apple has fixed the flaw, but to say that it was 100% user stupidity is just a lie.
    ^^exactly!! some people fail to see the bugs which allowed the hack in the first place
    blame the consumer as the system goes!!just like apples statement which denied it at first
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-20-2014 at 05:13 PM.
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    09-20-2014 01:29 PM
  16. rhapdog's Avatar
    3. Is it paranoid to expect that degree of security on my phone? I don't care about the NSA but what about stolen phones and other attacks?
    If your phone is lost or stolen, you can easily log in from any computer and do the "find my phone" thing from windowsphone.com. From there you can send a signal to your phone to have it completely wiped so that no one can recover any personal data.

    So, worried about police getting the data off your phone? You can have it wiped, even if they have it in their possession, before they can get the search warrant. That is, if you can make bail.

    Personally, I don't conduct any illegal activity, nor do I put anything on my phone or in the cloud that I would not want someone else to see. (Or on my computer for that matter.) Therefore, a police search warrant would never concern me. My concern is that someone could use my phone to get enough personal data on my to steal my identity. For that, I can quickly use the wipe service before anyone would be able to brute force the phone password.

    To me, this goes one step better than iOS having mandatory encryption. I don't want my photos and personal documents encrypted. If I pull out my SD card and plug it into my computer, I want to be able to pull off my personal files and see them on my laptop, so that I an transfer them to a new phone without losing anything.

    I generally don't back up to OneDrive because I already have 64GB on my SD card, and I do regular backups to both my laptop and a portable HDD, which I believe is more secure than using the cloud. Sure the cloud is convenient at times, and I use it when I want to share a file with someone, but not for everything. For everything else, I use a portable backup drive that I can easily plug into my laptop to keep everything stored.Keep the drive in a lock box the rest of the time. The backup drive can be easily encrypted using multiple layers of encryption using TrueCrypt, etc., so is way more secure than OneDrive or any other cloud service, since no one can hack it from the internet.

    Anyone can have a measure of security on any device if they use a bit of common sense. For me, if you don't want naked pictures of you to show up everywhere, then don't allow those pictures to be taken. Problem solved.
    09-20-2014 04:45 PM
  17. SillyFlamingo's Avatar
    "I have nothing to hide so everybody can see what's in my cloud or on my phone" - the usual simple answer when people ask for data protection. When you find out what criminals can do with your personal stuff it probably will be too late. Privacy should be first, even for the good guys like us.
    The smartphone seems to become the device where all our data meets, financial, private and whatever. So I expect better security than MS delivers. I just want the same what iOS and Android users get - or I'll just leave WP, disapointed.
    09-20-2014 05:49 PM
  18. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    like i said its tougher and not worth the effort
    would you pay $19 just for unreliable piracy when you can get the app reliably from the store for $1-2



    ^^not true at all
    and im way off base
    speak for yourself mate speak for yourself or dont say anything
    im a developer on every platform and know a thing or two about security
    my comment mentioned that naysayers will boo me and give an explaination which makes no sense
    as for icloud- 100 celebs hacked at once,seems a bit insecure doesnt it
    as for all app store being good at removing rogue apps-LOL play store has 90% malware/fake apps
    apple and ms do a great job at keeping malware at bay
    open source is easier to hack,just accept it even symbian got 2 viruses after going open source





    ^^exactly!! some people fail to see the bugs which allowed the hack in the first place
    blame the consumer as the system goes!!just like apples statement which denied it at first
    What ever you are smoking or drinking stop... Step away from it now. because you don't know anything about this. You spout off about the play store having 90 % malware fake apps just shows how ignorant you are along with the fact that you don't have a frigging clue to how those accounts got hacked or by what programs. It's just somemore anti ios BS.

    Anyone can get hacked regardless of what os is running with what was used.... Stop spreading fud about this

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    09-20-2014 07:48 PM
  19. Guytronic's Avatar
    [NOTE]Temporarily closed to let a few participants cool down...
    Update!
    I won't be reopening this...[/NOTE]
    Last edited by Guytronic; 09-20-2014 at 11:52 PM.
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    09-20-2014 08:04 PM
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