09-20-2014 08:04 PM
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  1. frett's Avatar
    So headlines are trumpeting the new encryption on Apple phones, and I am wondering why in the crap didn't Microsoft beat them to this? It should be "New Microsoft Encryption Will Lock Out Police" blazing across Drudge.

    The secret to Apple being so successful in marketing to the masses is that they know what the masses will respond to. Most people are only vaguely familiar with the issues involving the NSA, Snowden, etc, but they sense there is a reason to have their data encrypted. And then Apple accounts got "hacked" and celebrity photos are posted and Apple shrewdly makes sure the world knows their phones are now encrypted!

    Microsoft has way more brainpower than Apple and could have easily implemented encryption on its phones and OneDrive system a long time ago.

    Microsoft has GOT to step up their game and get the masses to embrace their products and do more to get Enterprise features on Windows Phones. I really think they should offer Windows 9/Threshold as a free or near-free upgrade. Want everyone off XP? Then make it easy to do it. Drop the price on Office products, too.

    Sorry for the rant. Just tired of seeing the potential out there not come to fruition.
    09-18-2014 07:29 AM
  2. adrian1338's Avatar
    I think they offered that already... they call it bitlocker encryption. unfortunately just active with company account on the phone
    09-18-2014 07:32 AM
  3. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I think they offered that already... they call it bitlocker encryption. unfortunately just active with company account on the phone
    I do believe Bitlocker is enabled on Developer Preview devices as well, so it's not just enterprise users.
    09-18-2014 07:49 AM
  4. jmshub's Avatar
    Bitlocker is in Windows Phones, but it would be nice if there was a way to see the state and status of it. I believe if you plug an iphone into itunes, you can check the box to turn on encryption. It'd be nice if there was a way to see and know that your phone is encrypted, especially for users who aren't on Exchange.
    09-18-2014 09:18 AM
  5. Johnny Tremaine's Avatar
    Just tired of seeing the potential out there not come to fruition.
    You have to use and enjoy the OS as it is, not how you want it to be.
    You need to accept the fact that Windows Phone isn't a huge priority to Microsoft; even Daniel R. admitted in one of his posts some time back, that Microsoft wasn't giving WP a lot of resources or man-power.

    I've still kept my Lumia 1020, but I've largely moved on to a Moto X for personal use, and an iPhone provided by my job. I still visit these boards because I'm a tech enthusiast, and I like gadgets, and enjoy following this stuff.

    But the state of affairs is what it is. I came to the OS, largely for the Nokia optics and the Lumia camera, so for me, the core operating system is sub par in many areas, while nice in others.

    If it's a constant source of frustration, just make your life easier and get a phone on a rival platform. It's not worth the aggravation.
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    09-18-2014 09:36 AM
  6. barnyr's Avatar
    Microsoft seems to be under the impression that WP already has encryption. Below is from WP website:

    Trusted boot and App sandboxing helps to prevent malicious apps from gaining unauthorized access to data. Full device encryption keeps everything from corporate data to passwords safe. Lost or stolen phones can be reliably wiped. Information Rights Management (IRM) and S/MIME signed and encrypted email protect your organization’s intellectual property from unauthorized disclosure. Control access to corporate resources with full certificate management and app or location triggered IPsec and SLL VPN.
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    09-18-2014 11:44 AM
  7. frett's Avatar
    .... Full device encryption keeps everything from corporate data to passwords safe....
    I did not know that. I can't find info on what type of encryption this is. Also, does Microsoft have access to the encrypted data?

    And if Windows phones are already encrypted, then this begs the question why Apple gets attention for having encryption now.
    09-18-2014 09:54 PM
  8. Blacklac's Avatar
    Microsoft seems to be under the impression that WP already has encryption. Below is from WP website:

    Trusted boot and App sandboxing helps to prevent malicious apps from gaining unauthorized access to data. Full device encryption keeps everything from corporate data to passwords safe. Lost or stolen phones can be reliably wiped. Information Rights Management (IRM) and S/MIME signed and encrypted email protect your organizations intellectual property from unauthorized disclosure. Control access to corporate resources with full certificate management and app or location triggered IPsec and SLL VPN.
    Corporate security requires management software most of us wont have.

    Fwiw, you can have all the security in the world, but the end user needs to understand and properly USE that security. I can't tell you how many people used to proclaim the old Blackberry's as super secure yet didn't have the security settings setup properly.
    09-18-2014 10:03 PM
  9. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Google just announced that Android L will have encryption enabled by default, instead of being an option like it is now, it will be mandatory.
    09-18-2014 10:04 PM
  10. T Moore's Avatar
    Bitlocker is in Windows Phones, but it would be nice if there was a way to see the state and status of it. I believe if you plug an iphone into itunes, you can check the box to turn on encryption. It'd be nice if there was a way to see and know that your phone is encrypted, especially for users who aren't on Exchange.
    You can see, go to storage sense and it will identify the phone and SD card, if it is there, as encrypted.
    09-18-2014 10:13 PM
  11. luxnws's Avatar
    You can see, go to storage sense and it will identify the phone and SD card, if it is there, as encrypted.
    No, it doesn't show up in Storage Sense on a Lumia 520 running WP8.1 update 1 on Cyan. Nor does it show up in Storage Sense on a 521 running WP8.1 update 1 with DP on Black. Like others said, it probably has to be enabled with MS mobile device management tools which usually means corporate.

    Apple is consumer oriented so it's no surprise they would come out with this version of device encryption for consumers first, where Apple or a third party doesn't hold the encryption keys.
    09-19-2014 01:54 AM
  12. luxnws's Avatar
    And just to clarify, WP8.1 encrypts all apps stored on the microSD card. Curiously, the Win 8.1 Security Overview says that Windows Phone stores "personal content" like photos and video as unencrypted data. So you can give your friend your microSD card which he can pop into his Windows Phone and display your personal content but not run your apps stored on the microSD.
    Kevin Rush likes this.
    09-19-2014 02:52 AM
  13. barnyr's Avatar
    In storage sense on my L1520 under "phone" it show "x.xx GB used, encrypted". The encryption policy is enforced in the Exchange Admin Center policies on Office 365.
    09-19-2014 06:59 AM
  14. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Google just announced that Android L will have encryption enabled by default, instead of being an option like it is now, it will be mandatory.
    its open source wont make much of a difference
    09-19-2014 07:34 AM
  15. Torcher Death's Avatar
    Privacy,IMHO, is a myth. No matter what security/encryption is used, its only a matter of time till it is cracked open.
    As for these headlines, its just a marketing ploy to salvage themselves from the iCloud fiasco & try to herd people into getting the new iPhone.
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    09-19-2014 07:55 AM
  16. T Moore's Avatar
    No, it doesn't show up in Storage Sense on a Lumia 520 running WP8.1 update 1 on Cyan. Nor does it show up in Storage Sense on a 521 running WP8.1 update 1 with DP on Black. Like others said, it probably has to be enabled with MS mobile device management tools which usually means corporate.

    Apple is consumer oriented so it's no surprise they would come out with this version of device encryption for consumers first, where Apple or a third party doesn't hold the encryption keys.
    If your phone is encrypted you will see it.

    GDR3 and the Black update allowed users to enable encryption. Apple did not come out with this first.
    09-19-2014 10:34 AM
  17. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    In storage sense on my L1520 under "phone" it show "x.xx GB used, encrypted". The encryption policy is enforced in the Exchange Admin Center policies on Office 365.
    I don't see "Storage Sense"? Do you mean Settings > System (tab) > Phone Storage? I don't see anything about encryption? I have "Data Sense" but that is entirely different and doesn't relate to encryption.

    Where do you see any information on encryption?

    I use Office365 Pro for exchange so I would think the admin policies could/would be turned on?

    I have a Lumia 822, WP 8.0, with Nokia Lumia Black.

    Any help appreciated.
    09-19-2014 10:56 AM
  18. Jas00555's Avatar
    I don't see "Storage Sense"? Do you mean Settings > System (tab) > Phone Storage? I don't see anything about encryption? I have "Data Sense" but that is entirely different and doesn't relate to encryption.

    Where do you see any information on encryption?

    I use Office365 Pro for exchange so I would think the admin policies could/would be turned on?

    Any help appreciated.
    It's an app. Look it up in your app list. It should be right above Store.
    09-19-2014 10:59 AM
  19. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    It's an app. Look it up in your app list. It should be right above Store.
    It isn't on my app list, Windows Button >
    09-19-2014 11:05 AM
  20. Jas00555's Avatar
    It isn't on my app list, Windows Button >

    That's impossible. It's a system app, so I can't even delete it from my phone. You do have 8.1 right?
    09-19-2014 11:07 AM
  21. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    It's an app. Look it up in your app list. It should be right above Store.
    It isn't on my app list? I checked the Windows Phone app store and it wasn't there either?
    Edit:
    Oops. Sorry. I just did a BING search and Microsoft says it's only 8.1 and Cyan so it doesn't apply to me.

    No encryption?
    09-19-2014 11:08 AM
  22. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    And if Windows phones are already encrypted, then this begs the question why Apple gets attention for having encryption now.
    Why is Apple getting marketing for NFC when it's been on Android since 2010 (and Windows Phone since 2012, I think)? Why did Apple get attention for their Magic Drive crap, when it was just and HDD/SSD combo drive that had been released by others months before? Why did people settle for low-resolution displays on Apple devices while every major manufacturer other than Apple offered up HD displays, which Apple is putting into devices for the first time in 2014?

    Apple markets like crazy. Apple's followers are completely unwilling to listen to the sales pitches from the competition. So, when Google or Microsoft (or OEMs for Android/WP) talks up features for devices, the general Apple crowd doesn't hear it because it doesn't want to hear or understand technology. Then, when Apple shows up 1-4 years later with tech that the competition is already improving/replacing (like how Apple's just now going 1080p while others are pushing 2K and 4K displays), the masses get all excited because it's new, and it's only new because of ignorance.

    Ignorance and marketing keep Apple afloat, not great hardware or software or competitive pricing.
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    09-19-2014 03:26 PM
  23. AG VK's Avatar
    Why is Apple getting marketing for NFC when it's been on Android since 2010 (and Windows Phone since 2012, I think)? Why did Apple get attention for their Magic Drive crap, when it was just and HDD/SSD combo drive that had been released by others months before? Why did people settle for low-resolution displays on Apple devices while every major manufacturer other than Apple offered up HD displays, which Apple is putting into devices for the first time in 2014?

    Apple markets like crazy. Apple's followers are completely unwilling to listen to the sales pitches from the competition. So, when Google or Microsoft (or OEMs for Android/WP) talks up features for devices, the general Apple crowd doesn't hear it because it doesn't want to hear or understand technology. Then, when Apple shows up 1-4 years later with tech that the competition is already improving/replacing (like how Apple's just now going 1080p while others are pushing 2K and 4K displays), the masses get all excited because it's new, and it's only new because of ignorance.

    Ignorance and marketing keep Apple afloat, not great hardware or software or competitive pricing.
    The thing is, Apple has a habit of taking specs and making them into features. NFC by itself is not very useful. You need software like Android Beam or Superbeam to take advantage of NFC. With Apple Pay, Apple can offer consumers a virtual guarantee that most banks and stores will be accepting NFC cards by the end of this year. So now NFC is something that actually adds significant value to my life. Android has had tap to pay in most major chains in the UK (both NFC cards and smartphones with Google Wallet) but I have NEVER heard of a single WP EVER working with tap to pay. The feature exists, but can't be used in the US without an ISIS/Softcard app which doesn't exist. Similarly many other markets don't provide the secure SIM needed as well.
    09-19-2014 03:43 PM
  24. luxnws's Avatar
    If your phone is encrypted you will see it.

    GDR3 and the Black update allowed users to enable encryption. Apple did not come out with this first.
    With Windows Phone, the admins configuring your phone with their mdm tools have access to the Bitlocker encryption keys to your phone, right? Also, iOS and Android already had device encryption options available before this latest Apple announcement.

    What Apple has done with iOS 8 is make their device encryption a bit more secure. The consumer controls the encryption keys to the the device, not Apple or a third party like your company. That way, if a consumer encrypts their iOS 8 device, no one but the consumer should be able to decrypt the personal data on that device. In this post-Snowden era, that's the reason for the media splash. Consumer first in terms of personal privacy. For most people, it is a marketing gimmick but if it helps sell iPhones...

    Of course the downside is that if the user forgets his or her pin code for their encrypted iPhone 6, Apple won't be able to ever help them get their data back - unless it was backed up to iCloud.
    Last edited by luxnws; 09-19-2014 at 04:47 PM. Reason: iOS8, grammar
    09-19-2014 04:17 PM
  25. TheMightyCraken's Avatar
    Can someone just start a uservoice for this? (Go a few points to spare) :)
    09-19-2014 08:45 PM
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