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  1. RavenSword's Avatar
    Maybe. I still really like the platform and I think it can have a place still in emerging markets and prepaid. However, I can't see it really taking off in the states in the higher end market, which is where a lot of money can be made.

    Where would you go instead? Android? I wonder if most WP users here would go Android just out of some weird Apple spite.

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    10-11-2014 03:02 PM
  2. labsii's Avatar
    I've been a huge promoter of Windows Phones since I bought my 810 from T-Mobile 2 years ago. Friends and colleagues I showed it to loved it. A few even switched from the iphones/androids to Nokia Lumia. But now I see the writing on the wall. T-mobile EOL'ed my 810 about 60 days after I bought it. I didn't mind. I still loved the phone. But for the last 10 months, I've eagerly wanted a larger Lumia. I've been patient, but now with the news that Verizon has stopped carrying the Icon, and MS completely silently as to any new flagship phones on the horizon, I personally believe they're getting ready to bail out of the hardware and phone OS system completely.

    Sure, they'll still make apps for the competition, Cortana will eventually end up on the X1 and pc ecosystem, possibly even as an option on android and iphone. But I really think all of us current Windows phone owners are really just owners of "Zunes" at this point. I would love to be proven wrong. But the silence from MS regarding any new flagship phones is deafening, and I think they're just waiting to announce the death . Rip Windows Phone Ecosystem.
    Well, you're simply biased by your own preferences. And you might be somewhat right if you consider yourself as the model for the market - it seems that Microsoft is at least temporary scaling down its Windows Phone efforts for people like you - buyers of the flagship phones. But that doesn't mean that Microsoft is abandoning Windows Phone, it is just trying to shift its resources where they yield better - low end of the market and mid market.

    And to be perfectly fair, there are not too much reasons to recommend whatever Windows Phone flagship (even whatever conceptual non-existing phone) over iPhone 6 and 6 plus. Those phones are very good from every perspective and have the best app library. And there are lot of reason to recommend Windows Phones over cheap or mid priced Android phones. It is more reasonable to put finite resources into this part of the market where you have a noticeable competitive advantage.
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    10-11-2014 04:20 PM
  3. iamtim's Avatar
    I agree, Windows 10 is a sign of that, the Modern UI was practically removed.
    You realize that the only Windows 10 that exists right now is a Technical Preview focused on desktop, keyboard/mouse users, right?

    You further realize that Windows 10 on the tablet and other touch-based devices will not use the default interface on Windows 10, right?

    Beyond that, you realize that the majority of the Windows 10 Start Menu is, in fact, a Modern UI launch pad, very much like the Start Screen, yes?

    And finally, you realize that with about three clicks, you can have the Modern UI Start Screen replace the Start Menu, right?

    "Practically removed" is just about as much of a misrepresentation as one can make, I believe.
    10-11-2014 04:52 PM
  4. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    the big problem of microsoft with WP or whatever is called now is called marketing , also is too centered in the United States markets, in fact Microsoft or even Nokia have never done any advertissement or even Microsoft do not have even made an effort for make things be same as Android or IOS, specially their market, WP store is centered and co depend of my carrier for purchases and ie in Chile only 1 carrier offer the ability of purchase WP apps in the market and get charged in the bill of the phone the application that you purchased, also some services of windows Phone only are avalaible in the United States like Cortana by now do not speak any other language than English and are over focusing in the Indian market but are forgetting the rest of the markets, for what say about Local Scout which do not exist in Chile in my phone,and mix radio i wish have fully but not avalaible the service for Chile or other countries in the list that they offer.

    if wants Windows Phone or Microsoft cause real damage to Google and IOS is very easy, start to make the same services in the whole market of other countries, improve bing services, and start to offer and improve services quality, IE in Chile is not Local Scout because bing is unable to know where is near an supermarket or a park, and if they will bring to us Cortana with half capabilities that have in the USA then would cause shrink the market share (i have done an mistake in put marketplace) of WP. also i wish an direct support by Nokia or Microsoft and an formal place to get original accesories to my phones, in Chile is the main shopping centers is an samsung store where even can get accesories to their phones LG have 1 office in Santiago and Motorola too have 1 too. also in the past till 2006 was an nokia care in the downtown Santiago but all suddenly they gone and nobody knows why happened that.


    sell an product is not only the ads also is much more, have to set up offices and an direct relationship to the customer in fact i wish we have an nokia care office in here to get an extra battery to my phone and even more accesories or even know and purchase an new phone directly to them and not throught my carrier or phone operator. we just have the lucky that have the nokia phones due that Movistar Chile have an agreement of exclusivity to to bring to here the lumia phones also to O2 and other phone operators whgich they are owners in the entire world , also Claro have one agreement of even get charged the application purchase on your bill or discounted from your prepaid credit.

    that is the problem with Nokia and Microsoft

    the UI is not that complex and in fact my mom have 66 years old and i gave as present an Nokia Lumia 520 and to she is easier than android the UI i explained to her the things, and pinned the basic things like phone, contacts, calendar, messages and she is very used to this phone, so the alibis of UI is just an not valid reason if an person of 66 years old can get used with the UI then an young person can do too.
    Last edited by scandiskwindows9x; 10-11-2014 at 06:01 PM.
    10-11-2014 05:46 PM
  5. EssThree's Avatar
    now I think that most people hate their phones! In short, I have two words for our community: OPTIMISM and PATIENCE!!
    I love my phone, I'm just concerned about the next phone after :)
    the UI is not that complex and in fact my mom have 66 years old and i gave as present an Nokia Lumia 520 and to she is easier than android the UI i explained to her the things, and pinned the basic things like phone, contacts, calendar, messages and she is very used to this phone, so the alibis of UI is just an not valid reason if an person of 66 years old can get used with the UI then an young person can do too.
    My mum loves her 1520, first smart phone she's had where she isn't texting me for help all the time haha
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    10-11-2014 06:00 PM
  6. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    is funny that ask for patience we been patient since windows phone 7.5 and 7.8 already Microsoft and Nokia do not have noticed this, then should fire to their advertisemment team or agency and also their marketing team because is planning bad their strategies, i would be glad if they call me to the team of Microsoft, i am accountant and also know a bit of international commerce too, lol

    do not get wrong i like Windows phone later of try android phones and 1 ipod touch with IOS 6 i love Windows phone because just works and do not have problems , the problem in here is just the strategy of market and customer service of Nokia and Microsoft that is all

    also my mom had before an Nokia 6210 navigator and she missed the GPS and well the lumia have the same GPS too so is she happy by the GPS and the never freezed phone when have to hang up her phone or answer an call unlike Android phones of basic to mid end ones which gets freezed
    Last edited by scandiskwindows9x; 10-11-2014 at 06:16 PM. Reason: add more things and clarify gaps for avoid misunderstoods
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    10-11-2014 06:09 PM
  7. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    As someone who's used Windows Phone before and mostly sat on the sidelines I'm pretty disappointed with how Microsoft's managed it this year. Originally it seemed like there was a huge buzz around Windows Phone 8.1 about how it would change the game for Microsoft and would show that Microsoft is committed to the OS. Now that we're starting to come to the end of the year Microsoft has seemed to completely back away from Windows Phone as a whole and their recent acquisition of Nokia only looks more baffling than it originally did.

    -It's been months now that people have been asking about new devices (Especially the AT&T/T-Mobile Crowd), we've seen numerous new flagship devices from other Manufacturers launch over the last few months (Hell even BlackBerry) and yet Microsoft is still as silent as they were back in May (When the US crowd had no idea if we were getting the Lumia 930 or not).
    -The app situation is still pretty sub-par with Windows Phone still missing some critical apps (Like Banking/Payment Apps), and many of its other apps can only be said to be crippled in comparison to the iOS/Android versions of the same app. At this point it doesn't seem like Microsoft's taken any initiative to push developers to the platform.
    -Marketing has been absolutely horrible especially in the face of the Juggernaut marketing campaigns Samsung and Apple go through, the only Windows Phone commercial I see occasionally is the one showing off Cortana, but even then it's completely embarrassing that they use the Lumia 635 in that commercial because they don't have a lot of high-end handsets to show off. In all honesty Microsoft's been really bad at marketing Windows Phone and I feel like the users of the platform spend more time trying to market it by showing the handset off then Microsoft has done themselves.

    I see discussions around the web about how people think Windows Phone 10 is going to truly be the definitive moment for Windows Phone and how Microsoft will show how committed to the OS they are once it releases, but I've heard this talk before with the releases of Windows Phone 8 and then again with Windows Phone 8.1, and I can't say I believe it anymore.
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    10-11-2014 07:43 PM
  8. tgp's Avatar
    I see discussions around the web about how people think Windows Phone 10 is going to truly be the definitive moment for Windows Phone and how Microsoft will show how committed to the OS they are once it releases, but I've heard this talk before with the releases of Windows Phone 8 and then again with Windows Phone 8.1, and I can't say I believe it anymore.
    I feel the same way. If I hadn't seen the history of WP, I would have no doubt that Windows 10 is where things will take off. Common sense and reasoning would indicate as much. But like you, I don't believe it anymore. I'll only change my mind when I see it happening. We've been hearing it for the last couple years with almost every update. So far, nothing. The last year or so WP has actually been going backwards. In Q2 2013 it sold 8.9 million units. In Q2 2014, it was 8.0 million, a drop of more than 10%.
    10-11-2014 08:45 PM
  9. mokibrabrant's Avatar
    My first windows phone was the focus...........been with it a few years. And it was a mess. Really. Had a guy complaining about not being able to put a ringtone on his Lumia 1520.......damn. Are you kidding? It took about 5 seconds: Try that with the Samsung Focus: Yeah I did it eventually. Sure took a lot longer than five seconds. LOL......not to mention Microsoft didn't want there phones coming from Samsung with expandable memory, the windows phone. They wanted to nickle and dime you with proprietary memory cards. What a mess trying to expand the memory on the first generation Samsung WP. Yeah the system will always be funky for some.

    But let's get real. Dead? Dying? On the contrary Windows phone is just beginning. And Microsoft is for the first time, I believe showing a dedicated and concerted logistical attack on the IOS, Android dominated Market.

    And enter the Phablet. I have gone from the Samsung Focus to the NL 1520. Please point to a more complete phone. Irrespective of System. I was unfortunate that I have gotten a phone with a bad sd card reader. But I love the damn thing more than any other phone I've ever had. The Camera, and the available apps just on that score are quite satisfying. I've never taken pictures with a Camera that come close to those of these this phone takes and all the editing software is simply insane. Reading Web pages. Flawless Surfing. Quick, Snappy.........oh and did I say legible, daytime, night time?.............I could just go on for another hour. Love this thing. Have a prepaid shipping ticket for the repair of the sd reader. Can I have a loaner while it's away? LMAO. Dead? This animal is still dripping with placenta, alive taking it's first breaths.............it may be a monster.
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    10-11-2014 10:27 PM
  10. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Maybe. I still really like the platform and I think it can have a place still in emerging markets and prepaid. However, I can't see it really taking off in the states in the higher end market, which is where a lot of money can be made.

    Where would you go instead? Android? I wonder if most WP users here would go Android just out of some weird Apple spite.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    Once again the states isnt the biggest market out there you know,asia is the largest market followed by europe
    10-12-2014 01:04 AM
  11. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Windows Phone is dead, in name only.

    It should be named Windows Environment because the phones will be an extension of the desktop as well as the tablet and laptop.

    People have mistakenly said that highend hardware doesn't matter, and they are wrong. It matters because to fully be an extension it has to be able to be a standalone device as well. Die sizes need to continue to shrink and memory needs to continue to be increased while the pipeline needs to be opened up even more so throughput increases. If these things don't happen then innovation stops and the future is denied. People understand and want better hardware.

    We cannot accept complacency and must demand better.

    Windows devices need to stop being boring. There will never be 10 million units sold like Apple... why??? Because there has been nothing made that has excited the people enough that they would be willing to stand in line for. YET......

    Combine the power and usability of the desktop on a mobile phone device that truly excites people and the face of phones change forever. This isn't a low end device but one that far exceeds any built today.

    A flagship device is one that is better than all others. It isn't using dated technology but the most advanced technology. It pushes the boundaries, not coast on last year's glory. It has the latest software and firmware and isn't waiting for a update.

    Windows phones will eventually become like this or others will be first.

    It's time for some real innovation and for new designs.

    If they don't bother to show up to the fight the war is lost.

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    10-12-2014 01:05 AM
  12. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    you guys dont get it , do you
    windows 10 is what everyone though 8.1 was going to be
    now we have definitive proof that windows 10 is going to be an overhaul etc
    so dont say 8.1 wasnt an upgrade from 8
    you want proof of that,ask the Lumia Icon users who are without cyan/8.1
    10-12-2014 01:07 AM
  13. psoham777's Avatar
    Also WP is coming up with many updates, they are improving a lot. In 14 countries WP is #2 in market share. I don't see WP as a failure.
    Many people changed their views about WP when WP 8.1 came out, many would change their views when WP 10 comes out.
    I don't still understand why people see WP as a total failure
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    10-12-2014 03:33 AM
  14. Ian Too's Avatar
    Who cares if verison "considers" it obsolete? its a freakin awesome phone. My 1020 is over a year old and its the best phone I have ever used. I owned evrything from the "flagship android models" to the "flagship apple models" and the 1020 is much better than all of them. The 930 is awesome and mops up the ip6. You really are putting way to much weight in the "flagship" part,.....thats a marketing term made to sell the others crap phones to uneducated consumers.

    the 930 will be a better phone than both samsungs and apple's SO CALLED FLAGSHIPS.

    As for purchasing new phones. Just find a new unlocked version of any phone and buy it. pop your sim card in and enjoy. I never would buy JUST what my service provider sells now. All they had for windows phones at the time was the 520.
    Hi and thanks for your response.

    For your information, I do buy my devices unlocked and as things stand the 930 will probably end up being my next device, but it will not meet my needs. in one important respect.

    In order to justify laying out so much, I want to see a significant improvement with each generation and I wanted to render my iPod obsolete. This requires either 128GB internal storage or an SD card slot and the 930 has neither.

    I really think Microsoft need to give people like me a better option. We are, after all paying a premium price and flagship devices are important, because they help sell lower-priced handsets through a halo effect. Given the lack of availability of the M8 for Windows, the cancellation of the MacLaren design looks like a mistake, because HTC aren't meeting demand.
    10-12-2014 04:22 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    ^^which is where the 1520 and 830 come in...
    10-12-2014 05:52 AM
  16. TonyDedrick's Avatar
    People need to be patient. 2020, when Windows 3DSXP700 is released, will be the year WP takes off.........
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    10-12-2014 07:00 AM
  17. Kenneth Fossum's Avatar
    I think each his own.
    I am also debating whether or not to stay on. I guess I was expecting more from MS by now. Sure, I am one of those impatient ones, but that is just what it is for many of us. Since I work in the tech industry, I guess I am more interested in this stuff compared to average Joe and his wife. Which is fair enough. My Lumia 925 is showing its age (Dev preview with Cyan) and I would like to replace it. It's simply too slow for me after various updates and so on. The only option for me would be the 930, but I am looking at Android devices that are more tempting in terms of pure HW. Even the iPhone. But HW alone is not enough of course. I have invested deeply in the MS ecosystem, but since their services are actually better on Android and iOS (how sad is that - I used to be all Android, and I have an iPad, so I know..) I wouldn't actually lose much by going to a different platform.

    I am no app buff, but it's sad to see the inactivity in the WP app store. It's sad to see how the WP apps are lacking compared to the iOS and Android siblings. It's sad to see that MS apparently fired their marketing people and forgot to hire new ones. If you're late to the party, at least make some fuss when you arrive. Don't sneak in the backdoor. It's sad to read about the carrier problem their facing in the US. No easy fix there I guess. But, even so, I guess I was expecting more activity from MS. A bit more of everything. More phones, more marketing, more fuss .... It's almost to the point where I would like to ring the doorbell at Redmond, open the door and shout 'Hello, anybody working here...?"

    But then again. I like the WP OS. I like how the platform works and I like the HW too. It's just that WP currently seems dormant. At least when you look at it from the HW side of things and especially from a flagship point of view. I want to throw my cash in their direction, but I don't 'see anything I really like - apart from the 930 that is. The 1520 is just too big for my small hands.

    Sure, they spent a ton of money at Nokia, but a good idea (if it ever was a good idea) in the past isn't necessarily a good idea in the future, so who's to say what they are debating at Redmond these days. Also, remember that the whole Nokia ordeal was Ballmer for the most part. He couldn't have pulled that off without support from the board of course, but it wasn't a unanimous decision and not everyone applauded it (Mr. Gates was one of them that didn't like it). I think Nadella is still cleaning up that mess...
    Maybe the winds have shifted. Maybe they are thinking about doing things differently moving forward. Services as opposed to phone devices. Maybe they'd like to target the low-mid markets instead. Sure makes sense. They still get a ton of money from their patents, so it's not like they're losing money. Who knows. That's just pure speculation of course. I guess we'll find out eventually.
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    10-12-2014 07:10 AM
  18. AllanQuatermain's Avatar
    Hi have been with Windows phone since 7 still using Lumia 800 as back up
    and bought a 820 to try 8.0 ( now on 8.1 with Cyan ) and both have been
    excellent phones, the app situation has improved and i have most i need,
    the operating system just works no crashing/freezing and apps just work every time,
    and will soon buy a 830 to replace 820, so is Windows phone done?
    no not yet Microsoft will continue with phones, and the same doom gloom posting
    on surface forums Microsoft will abandon tablets, ( i have Surface pro 2 ),
    Windows phones/Surface tablets and laptops will soon be one operating system,
    and Windows phones will be here for many years to come.
    10-12-2014 07:11 AM
  19. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    little know fact apparently is that Nadella actually worked on MS's cloud and enterprise divisions before coming at the helm so its not like he didnt do anything for Windows Phone...
    10-12-2014 08:23 AM
  20. twint7787's Avatar
    Seriously guys I know everyone wants a new flagship, but did you ever think it doesn't make any sense to produce one right now. I've said this many times in other threads but MS won't release a 'true' flagship phone until Windows 10 is released. Why would they? Flagship Windows phones aren't selling. You know what are selling? Low end windows phones, like hot cakes. So Microsoft is just biding their time producing what many of you feel are lack luster phones until Windows 10. It just makes sense not to build a flagship phone right now. In the US their market share is around 3%. A new flagship right now won't change that number, but these excellent low end phones will. If you like the ecosystem then hang around because I think it actually will get much better, but not until after Windows 10. And yes, I have heard this all before. It will be better once Windows 8 comes out etc etc. Seriously tho, they just bought an entire hardware division, they are not jumping ship just yet.
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    10-12-2014 08:34 AM
  21. jmthomas1987's Avatar
    I have a simple idea to put forward. What if MS is considering changing the cell phone world in the idea of instead of buying a new phone every year or two to get the newest OS, what it they want to try their desktop business model. Every year or so, you pay for the OS upgrade and keep the same hardware if you want.

    That means having an OS that would be longer lived and it would prove a threat to the carriers since they loose the new phone sales.

    Maybe MS will release their own line of WP phones, sans the carriers. They could be unlocked, multi-freq capable, and you could go with whatever carrier you wanted, be it CDMA or a GSM carrier.

    Just a thought.
    10-12-2014 08:35 AM
  22. savagelizards's Avatar
    Windows Phone is a global product. Microsoft is focusing on the next 1 billion users who don't yet have a smartphone. And rightly so. That's where the next wave of growth will come from in the smartphone market.

    The fact is, their best chance to becoming more relevant in the US market is to build economies of scale globally, and then leveraging that user base to muscle back in on the lower price points in the mature markets. That's the way that they will be able to force themselves on the US carriers, who already have a mature, installed smartphone base and don't want or need another low-volume OS to have to manage.

    All carriers in the US care about is connectivity so they can sell their data and (to a lesser extent) voice and text services to their subscribers. They don't care if you are using an iPhone and probably prefer it because everyone knows how to use one and they really don't benefit from people customizing their experience as they do about having a giant unified app market for development of the next data-consuming killer app.

    That's more important in the US, where the high end of the market is mature and there's no growth left. If Verizon has retired the Icon, that's why. Everyone is already being served. But Windows Phone exists in a global market. The growth areas are all those that cannot afford a flagship product, which is why the Lumia phones you are seeing run on more modest specs and the growth is coming in markets such as India.

    That way, folks whose annual income is about the same as the cash price of a flagship product are suddenly able to interact with the world. In all honestly, not getting the cyan update on your Icon is really a first-world problem.
    10-12-2014 08:45 AM
  23. savagelizards's Avatar
    I have a simple idea to put forward. What if MS is considering changing the cell phone world in the idea of instead of buying a new phone every year or two to get the newest OS, what it they want to try their desktop business model. Every year or so, you pay for the OS upgrade and keep the same hardware if you want.

    That means having an OS that would be longer lived and it would prove a threat to the carriers since they loose the new phone sales.

    Maybe MS will release their own line of WP phones, sans the carriers. They could be unlocked, multi-freq capable, and you could go with whatever carrier you wanted, be it CDMA or a GSM carrier.

    Just a thought.
    I don't think that carriers really care about new phone sales at all except as it relates to keeping subscribers or increasing your use of data. Take those considerations away and they really don't make much. It's more of a razor and blades business.
    10-12-2014 08:53 AM
  24. rudranil's Avatar
    The only issue that is holding Windows Phone back now is the App situation. And this is something that is out of Microsoft's control for the most part. The only way the app situation will get better when there is a sizable user base compared to other platforms. And that can be achieved by selling low cost phones to the first time smart phone buyers who do not care about the apps (yet). They can be won over by the low cost option. Microsoft is rightly focusing on this market at this point as that is the only way to save this platform. The buyers of the flagship model can not save this platform unless it is adopted by the mass population. So, as much as I want to replace my aging 920 with a flagship, I understand Microsoft's strategy and why they need to do what they are doing now. If I am not satisfied with the current phone options, I will try other platforms for now and come back when Microsoft has solved this hard problem (if that happens ever) and they can afford to focus on high end market again. At this point, no flagship phone and buyers like me can save Windows Phone.
    Sent from my Lumia 920 using Tapatalk
    10-12-2014 10:18 AM
  25. fatclue_98's Avatar
    How on Earth this thread survived 150 posts is beyond me. WP does not begin and end with Nokia/MS.
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    10-12-2014 11:04 AM
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