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  1. TgeekB's Avatar
    It is our perceptions which determine if we believe others are haters or not. These types of threads are rampant on Crackberry also. Why doesn't everyone believe what we believe? At the moment iPhone and Android lead in popularity and, therefore, in the limelight. Windows phone and BlackBerry are only known well by a small population. It will take time for things to change.

    I am new to Windows phone and just bought a 920. I like it so far but it doesn't have the range of apps, etc. my Nexus 5 has. That being said, I like the OS and where it is headed. I'm going to give it an honest try.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
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    10-19-2014 01:02 PM
  2. Paul Verizzo's Avatar
    That's not a myth, American cars are crap compared to Japanese. When I'm out traveling, and see a car broken down along the roadside, it's an American car. Every. Single. Time.
    I guess all those Powers survey recipients are deluded. My Jeep Cherokee that I drove for 90,000 miles......starting with 124,000 on the odometer, never left me on the side of the road. My parents bought a new Toyota in 1984 and it was a total lemon. But bottom line and what I was trying to prove, is that's all about perception.
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    10-19-2014 02:28 PM
  3. TgeekB's Avatar
    I guess all those Powers survey recipients are deluded. My Jeep Cherokee that I drove for 90,000 miles......starting with 124,000 on the odometer, never left me on the side of the road. My parents bought a new Toyota in 1984 and it was a total lemon. But bottom line and what I was trying to prove, is that's all about perception.
    Exactly. Even if the OP isn't exaggerating, and they probably are, it only means it may be true in their tiny, tiny part of the world. Not scientific at all.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    10-19-2014 02:58 PM
  4. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Semantics
    My Toyota was assembled in the United States, it doesn't make it an American Car.
    So I'll never read any post from you trashing Chinese phones or any product made in China, namely the iPhone. I mean, which is it? The design or the build quality? Can't have it both ways by lauding Japanese cars for superiority in spite of US manufacture while saying the iPhone is superior because of the wonderful engineering in Cupertino. Take your time, I'll wait.
    10-19-2014 03:26 PM
  5. OwenDL's Avatar
    I agree with all the people who say that Android and Apple are the current mega-brands and therefore they should be the brands the salespeople hype up, but when a customer comes into a store looking for a specific brand, when it's not one of the mega-brands, the salesperson shouldn't be going out of their way to diss on a perfectly good product and convince the customer to buy a megabrand.

    That's blatantly favoring marketing over customer service. I'd rather have a salesperson tell me information I want to know, not company-biased sales pitches.
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    10-19-2014 05:29 PM
  6. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I agree with all the people who say that Android and Apple are the current mega-brands and therefore they should be the brands the salespeople hype up, but when a customer comes into a store looking for a specific brand, when it's not one of the mega-brands, the salesperson shouldn't be going out of their way to diss on a perfectly good product and convince the customer to buy a megabrand.

    That's blatantly favoring marketing over customer service. I'd rather have a salesperson tell me information I want to know, not company-biased sales pitches.
    Honestly all salesperson should assist the customer with their needs if they don't have a brand in particular. If a customer says I want to try something new well you got a Windows Phone or if they ask that they don't have anything in particular just need a "basic" phone that can go on the internet well then you got the lumia 520,630 etc... The salesperson shouldn't be a fanboy to any operating system or brand.

    You don't want the customer to come back with the device you sold and say it sucks or it's not what he was looking for.
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    10-19-2014 05:50 PM
  7. RexdaleNap's Avatar
    People just don't know enough about it,

    If microsoft position WP as the new triumvirate with ubuntu and firefox it can take the developing market.
    10-19-2014 06:07 PM
  8. muneshyne21's Avatar
    There are only three ways Windows Phones will grab over 20% of the market:

    -A very slow painful crawl .25% a year at a time
    -Create a phone so irrefutably revolutionary that nothing comes close and cannot be duplicated within a single generation of development
    -Android AND iOS have several major major major blunders one after the other in the next couple of years and Windows quietly pulls ahead.

    Vendors will not let this happen because money talks. Whatever makes money they will push. The Android/Apple fanboyism is just a product of this not the cause of it. Give them something they can make money on and they will change their tune. As of right now the biggest ace up Microsofts sleeve is the off-contract 5 series and 6 series. True the device will not make much money for sales people but at least they can make money on the plans for the phone. Flood the market with these suckers and I mean FLOOD it! The .25% crawl I mentioned above will be a slow but feasible path towards more market share.

    Sadly we would miss out on flagship goodness with this strategy but if its just marketshare we are talking about then By-Any-Means-Necessary right?
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    10-19-2014 06:31 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    There are only three ways Windows Phones will grab over 20% of the market:

    -A very slow painful crawl .25% a year at a time
    Using the rate you give here, it would take 70 years to hit 20%!

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
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    10-19-2014 06:35 PM
  10. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    I agree with the above post...

    Microsoft should do something revolutionary... Something that other OEMs hasn't done yet or something that other people don't know that such technology exist.

    How about a BEZEL LESS Lumia with 3D TOUCH? I just saw this Sharp Aquos Crystal on MKBHD's YouTube channel and it screams innovation and class. It's really unique. No other OEM has such design. The only problem though is that since it is bezel less, it will break easily on accidental drops...
    10-19-2014 08:01 PM
  11. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    Samsung will not tell you yes we have things that works with your windows phone, because the big business of Samsung is the Android phones division, also Google is like being the pope in the world, whatever google put on the web is seen and apraised as if were a god, google now is being as evil as one time Microsoft was, but there is nothing to do about, unless the US government stop to google mega expansion which now is being even anti competence with the fact of do not do applications to WP ecosystem.

    also if you got an extremus fanboi which even insult the rest with your fanatic thing should ask to google now, or siri by the nearer psychiatrist to get treatment of an obsession
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    10-19-2014 09:19 PM
  12. scandiskwindows9x's Avatar
    why those europeasns cars are made in the USA? is the market there too protectionist and do not allow cars made in overseas to get imported?

    Also Brazilean stuffs made just can tell are build quality horrible i had an older nokia 5125 phone made in Brazil and do not lastest 1 year and well cars and buses made in Brazil are the worst in terms of reliability in Chile the buses are made in Brazil and is like the roulette of the lucky, if the bus will finish their trip or would get stopped by technical problems in the middle of the trip, if Nokia will made the 830 in Brazil would not get any nokia because Brazil product mean bad quality
    10-19-2014 09:24 PM
  13. D M C's Avatar
    Samsung will not tell you yes we have things that works with your windows phone, because the big business of Samsung is the Android phones division, also Google is like being the pope in the world, whatever google put on the web is seen and apraised as if were a god, google now is being as evil as one time Microsoft was, but there is nothing to do about, unless the US government stop to google mega expansion which now is being even anti competence with the fact of do not do applications to WP ecosystem.

    also if you got an extremus fanboi which even insult the rest with your fanatic thing should ask to google now, or siri by the nearer psychiatrist to get treatment of an obsession
    Can you explain how Google is evil and MS is not?
    10-19-2014 09:51 PM
  14. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Simple. The boat ride from the Old World doesn't do the car's rust protection any favors. Second, it's cheaper to build in the same market that you're serving and enjoy the tax breaks our wonderful legislators provide.
    10-19-2014 10:09 PM
  15. CapoFantasma97's Avatar
    Simple. The boat ride from the Old World doesn't do the car's rust protection any favors. Second, it's cheaper to build in the same market that you're serving and enjoy the tax breaks our wonderful legislators provide.
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    Damn I sent the message instead of exiting from the editor. Now what?
    I'm sorry XD
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    10-20-2014 02:05 PM
  16. WillGrey's Avatar
    I've been using a Lumia 920 for two years now and I loved it!

    But I just bought a Note 4 just to try out something other than Nokia (I've never used anything other than Nokia before and I consider myself a proud fanboy heh) and it feels really good. Granted, it's a little expensive, but it feels great and that's something I think Windows Phone doesn't quite have right now.

    The HTC One M8 and the Lumia 930 are good starts and gosh do they look and feel great, but they shouldn't stop there. WP as a platform needs to consistently and continuously find itself on hardware that's thin while still feeling premium. My biggest gripe with Windows Phones so far is that they don't feel great in your hand.

    We've got the app gap minimized, and I feel performance-wise WP isn't lagging behind that much, so I think the next step as far as converting the Android and iOS users goes is probably to let them see and touch Windows Phones that look and feel amazing.

    Just my two cents worth. :)
    10-20-2014 02:14 PM
  17. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Can you explain how Google is evil and MS is not?
    To say that one is evil and the other is not is a bit of a stretch one is just less evil than the other. In this case, Google and it's scanning of all your e-mail to shove ads in your face, it's complete lack of cooperation with Microsoft to implement google services onto Windows Phone (Youtube app for example) I'm sure they're things that I'm missing but that's what I got on top of my head.
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    10-20-2014 02:19 PM
  18. fatclue_98's Avatar
    To say that one is evil and the other is not is a bit of a stretch one is just less evil than the other. In this case, Google and it's scanning of all your e-mail to shove ads in your face, it's complete lack of cooperation with Microsoft to implement google services onto Windows Phone (Youtube app for example) I'm sure they're things that I'm missing but that's what I got on top of my head.
    I wouldn't really call either one evil. They offer excellent services that we no longer can live without (very debatable) at no charge. In return, they want to know all about you so they can try to hustle you for some of the money they feel you owe them. If you want to dance, you gotta pay the fiddler.

    If the terms and conditions of their services is not to your liking, you're free to go anywhere else. Want complete privacy (debatable as well), pay for your own hosted exchange. I don't understand people some times. They're willing to pay anywhere between $25-$35 every month for a top-flight device but don't want to spend appropriately for services to keep that device free of ads or enjoy security. I ain't got much hair left so I'll just pull out my eyebrows.
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    10-20-2014 02:31 PM
  19. adkrish22290's Avatar
    Even in India, there is so much ignorance among these Android fanboys regarding Windows Phone, although WP is the second-most popular mobile OS here. They will say "Don't buy Windows Phone. It has no apps and most apps in the store are paid" or "The specs of WP devices are not good for the price". This shows their ignorance about a great mobile OS.

    Do these fanboys know that the performance of a Windows Phone device is infinity times better than those Android rubbish? Do these fanboys know that many of the apps in the Google Play store are malware, that the app gap between Android and Windows Phone is closing rapidly and that apps are not the make-or-break feature to choose a mobile OS? Do these fanboys know that WP is much easier to use and user-friendly than Android? Do these fanboys know that Google tracks whatever they do on their phone for generating advertisements? Do these fanboys know that the Android-device manufacturing OEM's will ignore the lower-end Android devices and provide updates only to their flagship models (with Google too least bothered), while Microsoft takes the pain of providing updates to all WP devices, even the low-end Lumia 520/525? Do these fanboys know that Lumia phones have better quality hardware than Samsung Galaxy phones or the rubbish Indo-Chinese phones like Micromax, Karbonn etc. even though they may be more expensive than their Android equivalents? And finally, do these fanboys know that Android is the most insecure mobile OS and is the only mobile OS which needs an antivirus app?
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    10-20-2014 10:35 PM
  20. LumiaWorld's Avatar
    Well every fanboy (iOS, Android, WP, BB) are the same... You know... Close minded, dumb people...

    But Android fanboys are LITERALLY the worst everrr. They're like, "Oh we are the BEST! You suck if you don't use Android!" They are like those bullies in middle school... And they are everywhere!!!!
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    10-20-2014 11:28 PM
  21. Makm's Avatar
    Well every fanboy (iOS, Android, WP, BB) are the same... You know... Close minded, dumb people...

    But Android fanboys are LITERALLY the worst everrr. They're like, "Oh we are the BEST! You suck if you don't use Android!" They are just not stopping at all. Every year, it's like their hatred towards Apple and Microsoft is intensifying
    I agree. And it seems like theres nothing that we can do to stop them! They just get on my nerves!
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    10-20-2014 11:31 PM
  22. Phone Guy 4567's Avatar
    You could have easily said the same for the 1st iPhone. No MMS, no cut-n-paste, no 3G, no desktop sync except iTunes music and no apps at all. The store came well after release. How'd that phone line turn out?
    The original iPhone had very different competition when it came out then Windows Phone did when it came around three years later. The UI was finger friendly and the browser was much better then anything the competition had.. Add to that the iTunes music store and IMO the original iPhone was a unique product. As far as I remember none of the competitors to iPhone had stores at the time either. Other smartphones were business focused and iPhone was the 1st smartphone squarely targeting the average consumer IMO, so that gave them more breathing room to add features slowly. When MS released WP they were so far behind already that they couldn't make any mistakes and hope to succeed, but IMO they did make mistakes. The first release of WP should have been what 8.1 is today.
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    10-20-2014 11:31 PM
  23. Visa Declined's Avatar
    So I'll never read any post from you trashing Chinese phones or any product made in China, namely the iPhone. I mean, which is it? The design or the build quality?
    You must have me confused with someone else, I've never trashed the iPhone, or any phone for being made in China. Whatever you're rattling on about has no relevance to Japanese cars anyways.
    10-21-2014 01:22 AM
  24. fatclue_98's Avatar
    As far as I remember none of the competitors to iPhone had stores at the time either.
    No dedicated stores, but there thousands of apps available for Windows Mobile, Symbian and Palm OS. As for the iTunes store you mention, the app store came later. Music on your Mac was all you could get out of iTunes. IMO, Opera was much better than Safari. Their data compression made 2G or Rev. 0 bearable in those days. Let's not forget that one of the crying points about iPhones was "no Adobe flash".

    But that wasn't the point of my post, I was responding to another person's statement.
    10-21-2014 08:12 AM
  25. Yazen's Avatar
    Actually Symbian, Palm OS, and Windows Mobile had stores...
    Nokia Ovi? Palm Mobile? Marketplace?

    The phones available at retail today are less efficient at performing productive tasks, save BB Q10/Passport.

    If only there was.. Pre4
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    10-21-2014 08:29 AM
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