12-12-2014 09:19 PM
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  1. agentmikeyd99's Avatar
    my dream phone for Nokia Lumia 1830
    - 6 inch screen, QHD 2K display (2560x1440)
    - 6800mAh
    - 41MP PureView 6/7 lenses Rear camera
    - 8MP Pureview 4/5 lenses Front-Facing Camera
    - 2 GB RAM
    - 32 GB internal memory, external storage up to 128GB
    - Qualcomm Snapdragon 801 (Quad-core 2.3 GHz) / Snapdragon 805 (Quad-core 2.7 GHz)
    - Loudspeaker with Dolby Headphone sound enhancement
    - with Nokia Lumia 930's microphone
    You are spot on on what MS needs to do, if they care to grow in the US. The current sales and business model of focusing on low-end devices will relegate them to the 2nd and 3rd world with the hope of growing a base. That won't help here, and my family plan and the relative few Windows phone owners will gravitate to premium devices on Android and (yuck) Apple...


    Pretty good read here:
    http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...nited-sta.aspx
    Last edited by agentmikeyd99; 11-05-2014 at 09:05 AM.
    11-05-2014 08:47 AM
  2. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    I'd rather wait they launch a phone with Snapdragon 810 and Windows 10 64 bit version ;)
    undulose likes this.
    11-05-2014 08:52 AM
  3. wuiyang's Avatar
    I'd rather wait they launch a phone with Snapdragon 810 and Windows 10 64 bit version ;)
    windows phone currently MAYBE doesn't support Snapdragon 810 (all the windows phone supported chips Instruction set were ARMv7, but i think it will work[hopefully])
    11-05-2014 09:08 AM
  4. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    Which is why I'll wait for them to release Windows 10 :P
    11-05-2014 09:10 AM
  5. JamesPTao's Avatar
    You are spot on on what MS needs to do, if they care to grow in the US. The current sales and business model of focusing on low-end devices will relegate them to the 2nd and 3rd world with the hope of growing a base. That won't help here, and my family plan and the relative few Windows phone owners will gravitate to premium devices on Android and (yuck) Apple...


    Pretty good read here:
    http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...nited-sta.aspx
    You are right that their premium phone focus needs to increase. Their focus on low end phones though must stay in place. Low end phones for emerging markets are the only markets left with huge growth potential where their are no makes cemented in their dominance.
    nessinhaw likes this.
    11-05-2014 05:57 PM
  6. nessinhaw's Avatar
    You are right that their premium phone focus needs to increase. Their focus on low end phones though must stay in place. Low end phones for emerging markets are the only markets left with huge growth potential where their are no makes cemented in their dominance.
    basically, yes, they can't lose focus on emerging markets!

    it is easier to bring new users than bringing users already established in another OS

    thats why they focus on conquering these markets and, eventually, users will move to higher specs phones

    MS knows USA is a difficult market and users are picky and always complaining about something...i bet even if there was a 2K screen, snap 810, 3GB phone, pplz would still complain, like they always do!
    and yet i fail to see what is NOT premium about the 930 lol it runs WP flawlessly, has amazing camera, premium design and finish, great amoled screen!

    i think pplz need to stop comparing Android and WP in hardware specs and see WP as a whole DIFFERENT OS that doesent take as much power to run perfectly

    Android premium and WP premium are completely different perspectives

    Android users are so into the spec war they fail to see WP for what it is, made for simplicity and efficiency straight out of the box
    JamesPTao and undulose like this.
    11-05-2014 07:54 PM
  7. JamesPTao's Avatar
    basically, yes, they can't lose focus on emerging markets!

    it is easier to bring new users than bringing users already established in another OS

    thats why they focus on conquering these markets and, eventually, users will move to higher specs phones

    MS knows USA is a difficult market and users are picky and always complaining about something...i bet even if there was a 2K screen, snap 810, 3GB phone, pplz would still complain, like they always do!
    and yet i fail to see what is NOT premium about the 930 lol it runs WP flawlessly, has amazing camera, premium design and finish, great amoled screen!

    i think pplz need to stop comparing Android and WP in hardware specs and see WP as a whole DIFFERENT OS that doesent take as much power to run perfectly

    Android premium and WP premium are completely different perspectives

    Android users are so into the spec war they fail to see WP for what it is, made for simplicity and efficiency straight out of the box
    I understand their spec mentality for their phones as android runs like crap without one, but WP is not android. Pick up a $50 520 and use it...holy **** it runs smooth as thank you. There's a reason bargain android phones run android versions two versions behind the rest, they have to to fun too. Lol
    11-05-2014 09:05 PM
  8. fatclue_98's Avatar
    It's been a VERY long time since I've been on a contract so I may need a refresher course on how upgrades work. Do upgrades expire if you don't use them when the contract is up, use it or lose it, as it were? If not, why the overwhelming need to upgrade if your present device is working fine? As I mentioned, it's been a while since I was committed to a carrier (2007) but back then if your contract was up, you just went into a month-to-month at your current rate.

    In other words, if you don't have to upgrade, why not wait until a better device comes along? It would sure cut down on some of the lame threads moaning about "premium" devices.
    11-05-2014 09:58 PM
  9. negative1ne's Avatar
    It's been a VERY long time since I've been on a contract so I may need a refresher course on how upgrades work. Do upgrades expire if you don't use them when the contract is up, use it or lose it, as it were? If not, why the overwhelming need to upgrade if your present device is working fine? As I mentioned, it's been a while since I was committed to a carrier (2007) but back then if your contract was up, you just went into a month-to-month at your current rate.

    In other words, if you don't have to upgrade, why not wait until a better device comes along? It would sure cut down on some of the lame threads moaning about "premium" devices.
    not really.

    people are impatient.

    later
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    11-05-2014 10:09 PM
  10. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    It's been a VERY long time since I've been on a contract so I may need a refresher course on how upgrades work. Do upgrades expire if you don't use them when the contract is up, use it or lose it, as it were? If not, why the overwhelming need to upgrade if your present device is working fine? As I mentioned, it's been a while since I was committed to a carrier (2007) but back then if your contract was up, you just went into a month-to-month at your current rate.

    In other words, if you don't have to upgrade, why not wait until a better device comes along? It would sure cut down on some of the lame threads moaning about "premium" devices.
    The disadvantage of waiting is that with a traditional contract, you don't save any money while waiting. If you were paying $80/month in contract, you still pay $80/month out of contract, so in effect you're paying for a subsidy you're not taking.

    The new Next plans which allow financing a device cost without interest get cheaper once the device is paid off, so waiting for a device you really like doesn't cost you more money.
    11-05-2014 10:53 PM
  11. fatclue_98's Avatar
    The disadvantage of waiting is that with a traditional contract, you don't save any money while waiting. If you were paying $80/month in contract, you still pay $80/month out of contract, so in effect you're paying for a subsidy you're not taking.

    The new Next plans which allow financing a device cost without interest get cheaper once the device is paid off, so waiting for a device you really like doesn't cost you more money.

    I thought the whole idea of the new plans were to separate the device price from the actual plan in case you want to BYOD.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-05-2014 11:00 PM
  12. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I thought the whole idea of the new plans were to separate the device price from the actual plan in case you want to BYOD.
    That too.

    I recently changed my plan. I had an old grandfathered unlimited data plan, but those are soft-capped at 5 GB/month anyway and don't include internet sharing (tethering). I'm out of contract and took advantage of AT&T's promotion and got 30 GB/month with internet sharing for a cheaper price than my old plan. I have no contract. If I want to add a new device, I can: pay for one in full, bring my own, or finance a new device over 24 months without interest.
    11-05-2014 11:08 PM
  13. fatclue_98's Avatar
    That too.

    I recently changed my plan. I had an old grandfathered unlimited data plan, but those are soft-capped at 5 GB/month anyway and don't include internet sharing (tethering). I'm out of contract and took advantage of AT&T's promotion and got 30 GB/month with internet sharing for a cheaper price than my old plan. I have no contract. If I want to add a new device, I can: pay for one in full, bring my own, or finance a new device over 24 months without interest.
    So my assumption was correct, the plan pricing is separate from the device. If you "finance" a device and pay it off in 12 or 24 months, you're only paying for the plan afterward. How does this affect upgrades? I don't understand the need to upgrade if there's nothing that tickles your fancy. Are consumers so conditioned to do an upgrade whether they need to or not? If that's the case, carriers don't get nearly the recognition they deserve for their salesmanship.
    11-06-2014 09:55 AM
  14. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    So my assumption was correct, the plan pricing is separate from the device. If you "finance" a device and pay it off in 12 or 24 months, you're only paying for the plan afterward. How does this affect upgrades? I don't understand the need to upgrade if there's nothing that tickles your fancy. Are consumers so conditioned to do an upgrade whether they need to or not? If that's the case, carriers don't get nearly the recognition they deserve for their salesmanship.



    The upgrades were to the consumers benefit with the old traditional contract plans. The bills stayed the same even after the contract ended, so the consumer benefited by taking a new contract immediately in order to get value for the subsidy. This especially mattered if one chose a free device with the upgrade.



    In other words, if I took a contract in 2012 and got a free or extremely cheap device on contract with subsidy and my contract ended in 2014, I'm more enticed to get another free or cheap subsidized device when I am able to get something brand new for the same cost as what I'm already paying. If I don't save money by keeping an old device, why wouldn't I opt to upgrade?

    I'm not sure how many people are still using the traditional 2-year contract plans with subsidies.
    11-06-2014 10:58 AM
  15. JamesPTao's Avatar
    The upgrades were to the consumers benefit with the old traditional contract plans. The bills stayed the same even after the contract ended, so the consumer benefited by taking a new contract immediately in order to get value for the subsidy. This especially mattered if one chose a free device with the upgrade.



    In other words, if I took a contract in 2012 and got a free or extremely cheap device on contract with subsidy and my contract ended in 2014, I'm more enticed to get another free or cheap subsidized device when I am able to get something brand new for the same cost as what I'm already paying. If I don't save money by keeping an old device, why wouldn't I opt to upgrade?

    I'm not sure how many people are still using the traditional 2-year contract plans with subsidies.
    Many are but they no longer fuction that way. In the past it was the same price for service on or off contract, but that was because the carriers knew by doing so it kept people in the update cycle and made them more money. It also discouraged customers buying unlocked phones which gave them more control to block or strip services originally in the phone. Ex. An unlocked Nokia e72 had tethering built I through Bluetooth or wifi. The at&t variant stripped it out because they wanted to charge people for a tethering plan whether you used the same amount of data or not. With the rise of pay as you go services in quality and numbers and tmobile and such at&t and Verizon could no longer continue this as consumers where starting to realize how restricted they were and how much they payed. They still don't cut much with being off contract typically $15 but now tehering is part of the plan because they have shift the focus to making their money solely on data and peripheral devices (tablets and such).
    11-07-2014 10:35 PM
  16. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Many are but they no longer fuction that way. In the past it was the same price for service on or off contract, but that was because the carriers knew by doing so it kept people in the update cycle and made them more money. It also discouraged customers buying unlocked phones which gave them more control to block or strip services originally in the phone. Ex. An unlocked Nokia e72 had tethering built I through Bluetooth or wifi. The at&t variant stripped it out because they wanted to charge people for a tethering plan whether you used the same amount of data or not. With the rise of pay as you go services in quality and numbers and tmobile and such at&t and Verizon could no longer continue this as consumers where starting to realize how restricted they were and how much they payed. They still don't cut much with being off contract typically $15 but now tehering is part of the plan because they have shift the focus to making their money solely on data and peripheral devices (tablets and such).
    Yes, they do have those plans you mentioned. I know because I have one. I recently changed from a grandfathered unlimited data plan (without tethering), 1400 shared minutes, and unlimited texting (2 devices) to a 30 GB/month shared data plan with tethering. There is no contract. I bought a feature phone outright today for the other user on my plan. Whenever I choose to upgrade my device, I'll have the choice of paying in full or financing through the Next plan (without the traditional contract and with discount on bill once device is paid off).

    However, the traditional subsidized 2-year contract is still available. I'd lose my 30 GB plan at discount rate if I chose to go back to the traditional 2-year contract.
    11-08-2014 12:51 AM
  17. JamesPTao's Avatar
    I meant if you choose to stay out of contract you save $15 a month. Over two years that's $360, the cost of a 930.
    11-09-2014 03:07 PM
  18. agentmikeyd99's Avatar
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...ne-6/19837395/

    What a shame.that MS has no flagship for a real comparison! Could you imagine a 1030 or 1530 instead of an 830 in this article?

    Point made, thanks for coming.
    12-04-2014 12:39 AM
  19. agentmikeyd99's Avatar
    So sad...as my family of four phones walks off to Lollipop Land. Later Lumias, a flagship woulda been nice...

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/28555...hip-phone.html
    Last edited by agentmikeyd99; 12-13-2014 at 03:52 AM.
    12-12-2014 09:19 PM
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