11-09-2014 07:36 AM
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  1. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Take a look at the following link. Looks like Apple and Android users are to get MS Office for free, whilst Windows users are to get the new version far later and will be expected to fund it for the Apple and Android users as well, since we'll be the only ones paying in. Nice one, MS.

    Microsoft Office Is Now Free... On The iPad
    11-06-2014 12:05 PM
  2. Wam1q's Avatar
    They really need to grab users. Since Office is free now, users will tend to use Office instead of mimicking alternatives. If they kept it paid, people would probably stick to some free version (Google docs/iWork). This is a good way to get more people to use Office!
    123gettothechopper likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:08 PM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    Don't think anyone cares anymore, Penfold me old mate!
    11-06-2014 12:09 PM
  4. Wam1q's Avatar
    I think it is pretty fair. Desktop/Laptop/hybrids (Windows, OS X) users are the ones who are charged. Mobile platforms are free (WP, RT, Android, iOS)
    11-06-2014 12:15 PM
  5. LuvMeSomeWP's Avatar
    I don't see what the big deal is. Office is free on WP as well. The difference is these iPad/Android/WP versions of Office have just the bare essentials to get work done on the go. They either get you hooked on using Office through their free mobile software, or you're already a paying user of full Office and this is a powerful incentive to keep you using Office because you've got free tools to access Office documents on the go. When you're back at your desk or your laptop and working with the full Office suite, you're a paying user regardless of platform.
    rmeigs likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:15 PM
  6. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I don't mind others getting things, or for free. My main issue is that as a Windows user I am expected to wait at the back of the queue and I am expected to fund it for others. I am not against socialist ideas, but Apple kit is expensive stuff used by the wealthy. Why should I have to fund Office for the well off aristos when I have a bus pass to fund? Surely this is the wrong way round? The pin-stripes have taken all the money already. I must give them MORE MS? Really?
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    11-06-2014 12:19 PM
  7. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I don't see what the big deal is. Office is free on WP as well. The difference is these iPad/Android/WP versions of Office have just the bare essentials to get work done on the go. They either get you hooked on using Office through their free mobile software, or you're already a paying user of full Office and this is a powerful incentive to keep you using Office because you've got free tools to access Office documents on the go. When you're back at your desk or your laptop and working with the full Office suite, you're a paying user regardless of platform.
    No, Office is INCLUSIVE on WP, and not even inclusive on Win tablets. Inclusive does not mean free. It means you have to pay.
    Tom Snyder and Byrese like this.
    11-06-2014 12:21 PM
  8. Jcmg62's Avatar
    I have a Microsoft rep on live chat right now...will report back soon
    11-06-2014 12:22 PM
  9. errole's Avatar
    Hmm
    11-06-2014 12:24 PM
  10. Wam1q's Avatar
    No, Office is INCLUSIVE on WP, and not even inclusive on Win tablets. Inclusive does not mean free. It means you have to pay.
    Office is FREE on WP and RT as well. And MS doesn't earn anything from it.
    P.S. And Office is bundled with RT tablets as well. The other 'tablets' you are talking about don't run a tablet OS. They run a desktop OS--and the same rules apply to them as for desktops.
    11-06-2014 12:24 PM
  11. Teeeerex's Avatar
    I don't mind others getting things, or for free. My main issue is that as a Windows user I am expected to wait at the back of the queue and I am expected to fund it for others. I am not against socialist ideas, but Apple kit is expensive stuff used by the wealthy. Why should I have to fund Office for the well off aristos when I have a bus pass to fund? Surely this is the wrong way round? The pin-stripes have taken all the money already. I must give them MORE MS? Really?
    You are absolutely right there, mate. MS's paying customers should be first. A & G have never shown this weakness for users of MS platforms.

    No, Office is INCLUSIVE on WP, and not even inclusive on Win tablets. Inclusive does not mean free. It means you have to pay.

    & it has never been updated.
    neo158 likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:25 PM
  12. AndyCalling's Avatar
    I think it is pretty fair. Desktop/Laptop/hybrids (Windows, OS X) users are the ones who are charged. Mobile platforms are free (WP, RT, Android, iOS)
    Really? So why when I try to sign up for Office 365 on my Win tablet do I get charged? Same thing on my phone, I have to pay for an inclusive Office package (whether I want it on my phone or not) and to link to Office 365 I get charged again?

    Apple and Android are to be free all the way, it seems.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:26 PM
  13. Wam1q's Avatar
    Really? So why when I try to sign up for Office 365 on my Win tablet do I get charged? Same thing on my phone, I have to pay for an inclusive Office package (whether I want it on my phone or not) and to link to Office 365 I get charged again?

    Apple and Android are to be free all the way, it seems.
    That 'tablet' is not a tablet after all. It runs a desktop/laptop OS. If you want tablet features like free Office, get an RT tablet.
    And MS doesn't earn a single penny from you when you buy a WP. WP license and everything that's bundled with it is free. Only the OEM charges you for the hardware. The software part is FREE.
    11-06-2014 12:29 PM
  14. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Office is FREE on WP and RT as well. And MS doesn't earn anything from it.
    P.S. And Office is bundled with RT tablets as well. The other 'tablets' you are talking about don't run a tablet OS. They run a desktop OS--and the same rules apply to them as for desktops.
    Inclusive does not equal free (and my tablet is NOT a Surface). The funding always comes from the paying customer, because the IT Fairy does not make house calls. The problem is, the only customers paying money to MS for this stuff are Windows customers.

    Adding the cost of a product to the cost of another product and selling them in the same packet does not magically make one of the products free. The maths is not that hard to work out, it's just the PR that confuses people.

    Also, cost does not equal profit. You can have one without the other.

    Please remember that by the time Windows gets the new Office WinRT will not exist. Neither will WP. It'll just be Win10 on everything. You are talking about the wrong OS.
    11-06-2014 12:32 PM
  15. Wam1q's Avatar
    Inclusive does not equal free (and my tablet is NOT a Surface). The funding always comes from the paying customer, because the IT Fairy does not make house calls. The problem is, the only customer paying money to MS for this stuff are Windows customers.

    Adding the cost of a product to the cost of another product and selling them in the same packet does not magically make one of the products free. The maths is not that hard to work out, it's just the PR that confuses people.
    What nonsense! MS provides the software to OEM's for free. And whatever is bundled with the OS comes as free since I am not paying anything for the OS. Your point would be valid if I paid something for the OS.
    Let's do the maths.
    What I pay for the OS with Office bundled=0
    What I pay for Office=Actual price of the OS with Office-Price of OS without Office=0-0=0
    So I pay nothing for either the OS (WP/RT) or Office (since what I pay for both together is zero)
    I repeat, only the OEM can charge me for the hardware. The software part from MS, the OS and whatever comes with it is free.
    11-06-2014 12:35 PM
  16. Jcmg62's Avatar
    Update...The bozo I spoke to at Microsoft absolutely INSISTS that office 365 is only free for 1 month....after that you have to pay for it. I tried to explain to him that this is no longer the case for Apple and Android users but he was having none of it. He's given me the number of the billing/accounts team and said they'll verify what he's saying
    Tom Snyder and Byrese like this.
    11-06-2014 12:36 PM
  17. AndyCalling's Avatar
    Update...The bozo I spoke to at Microsoft absolutely INSISTS that office 365 is only free for 1 month....after that you have to pay for it. I tried to explain to him that this is no longer the case for Apple and Android users but he was having none of it. He's given me the number of the billing/accounts team and said they'll verify what he's saying
    Proof positive.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:38 PM
  18. AndyCalling's Avatar
    What nonsense! MS provides the software to OEM's for free. And whatever is bundled with the OS comes as free since I am not paying anything for the OS. Only the OEM can charge me for the hardware.
    Please remember that by the time Windows gets the new Office WinRT will not exist. Neither will WP. It'll just be Win10 on everything. You are talking about the wrong OS.
    11-06-2014 12:40 PM
  19. Wam1q's Avatar
    Please remember that by the time Windows gets the new Office WinRT will not exist. Neither will WP. It'll just be Win10 on everything. You are talking about the wrong OS.
    Wrong again. There will be a Windows 10 for ARM (WP+RT) and there will be a Windows 10 on Laptops/Desktops, etc. The desktop OS will never have free Office. The ARM version will probably have free Office just like WP/RT since it will be the successor to both of them.
    To clarify, the same OS can never run on all devices. You'll still need an ARM OS and a desktop OS separate.
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    11-06-2014 12:44 PM
  20. Wam1q's Avatar
    Proof positive.
    Again, that's a tablet running a desktop OS. You get free lifetime Office with RT.
    11-06-2014 12:45 PM
  21. Teeeerex's Avatar
    Update...The bozo I spoke to at Microsoft absolutely INSISTS that office 365 is only free for 1 month....after that you have to pay for it. I tried to explain to him that this is no longer the case for Apple and Android users but he was having none of it. He's given me the number of the billing/accounts team and said they'll verify what he's saying
    Well, he is right..
    people can create and edit Office content on iPhones, iPads, and soon, Android tablets using Office apps without an Office 365 subscription.
    This is what we can do on our un-updated WP Office. Which was paid for, before it was free. & is still not free above 8 inches.
    +
    Of course Office 365 subscribers will continue to benefit from the full Office experience across devices with advanced editing and collaboration capabilities, unlimited OneDrive storage, Dropbox integration and a number of other benefits.
    You got carried away a little.
    Though... where is our ''full experience'' on the Windows Phone?
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    11-06-2014 12:48 PM
  22. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Between my wife and I we have had 4 windows phones (both 8 and 8.1) and Office was on each and didn't pay dime to use them or subscribe to Office365. I don't know what all the fuss is in this thread.
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    11-06-2014 12:51 PM
  23. Wam1q's Avatar
    Why should I have to fund Office for the well off aristos when I have a bus pass to fund? Surely this is the wrong way round? The pin-stripes have taken all the money already. I must give them MORE MS? Really?
    Don't be melodramatic. A rich iPhone/iPad user getting free Office will have to pay for Office on his Mac. And a WP/RT user getting free Office will have to pay for use on his PC. That's fair. What's not fair is that iPhone user will get a more feature-filled Office app compared to the WP Office hub. Everything else is perfectly fine.
    a5cent likes this.
    11-06-2014 12:51 PM
  24. Wam1q's Avatar
    Well, he is right..

    This is what we can do on our un-updated WP Office. Which was paid for, before it was free. & is still not free above 8 inches.
    +

    You got carried away a little.
    Though... where is our ''full experience'' on the Windows Phone?
    BTW, that threshold for Office/Windows being free is 9". So almost all tablets/phones come into that category.
    11-06-2014 12:54 PM
  25. toddpart's Avatar
    You all need to be very clear about what you're asking and what claims you're making. The Office apps for iOS and Android are free, yes. This does not equate to getting Office365 for free...no way, no how. A subscription to Office365 gives you the ability to install the desktop versions of Office on up to 5 machines, you can install on 5 tablets or phones, you get 1TB of storage, etc. You can see all the details here->Compare Microsoft Office Products

    The 'bozo' you speak of is absolutely right...Office 365 is only free for 1 month and then you need to pay for it.

    Office apps for iOS and Android are NOT Office 365. And before you tell me that you need an Office 365 account for the apps to work, that's not correct either. You need a Microsoft Account which is totally different than an Office 365 subscription.

    WP users get Office for WP FREE just like an iOS or Android user get their apps free. The only unfortunate thing is that the iOS and Android apps are much better right now than the WP apps.

    Educate yourselves with facts before you go spewing inaccurate data points that do nothing but confuse the lay person.
    11-06-2014 12:55 PM
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