11-23-2014 10:42 AM
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  1. stickyshocker's Avatar
    Ok so I'm sure like everyone else has been reading alot from everyone that they all want a new high end Lumia but I have been reading that people will leave windows and lumia and go to android if nothing is released.

    My question is what makes you stay with windows and Lumia now?

    I for one stay because of the platform and if no high end phones were ever released I'd still stay loyal to windows as I like it and don't like android.

    I'm surprised so many people would leave just because a massive high spec phone doesn't come out and go to android that needs the specs where windows doesn't.
    Jens2sig likes this.
    11-08-2014 03:18 AM
  2. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I don't think it is matter of need for high-end specs for everything. The issue that I see is that many people want devices with specific high-end features, such as camera and processor (high-end camera with specs such as those in the 1020) and faster processor (so it takes less time to capture photos (there is some lag in snapping photos on many devices).

    Some of the low-end devices lack basic features like front-facing camera, flash for rear camera, etc. Those features might be deal-breakers to some people.
    tgp, ven07, HeyCori and 2 others like this.
    11-08-2014 03:25 AM
  3. stickyshocker's Avatar
    I don't think it is matter of need for high-end specs for everything. The issue that I see is that many people want devices with specific high-end features, such as camera and processor (high-end camera with specs such as those in the 1020) and faster processor (so it takes less time to capture photos (there is some lag in snapping photos on many devices).

    Some of the low-end devices lack basic features like front-facing camera, flash for rear camera, etc. Those features might be deal-breakers to some people.
    Totally understand what your saying but I thought most of us that come here are here for the os initially and to then say sod it ill go android over a camera I just think is a little nuts
    11-08-2014 03:53 AM
  4. Penny_1's Avatar
    I don't even think it's really about the specs, or even the OS so much; it's about the perception and support. Many of the people here are Windows Phone fans, Microsoft fans, etc. As a fan of a company's products, you WANT to continue using them. All you need to convince you to stick with their products is some evidence that they are paying attention to the market and being competitive. Once they stop at least keeping up with the market, in this case not offering any new flagship devices while competitors seem to focus on new flagships every time, then that is just about the only thing they can do to lose their fans.

    Their fans just need an excuse not to switch to something else. If Microsoft continues to focus on the strategy it feels is best for it (low end phones, entry markets), that gives current fans and early adopters a reason to feel spurned. The market is continuing to move at a fast pace and competitors are introducing flagships at an increasing rate, yet we are allowed to feel like we aren't getting the same attention that competitors are giving their fans. At some point, people get tired of cheering for the loser for whom we've been happily sticking our necks out.

    Not saying that these are my views, just trying to illustrated a perspective.
    Laura Knotek, ven07 and N_LaRUE like this.
    11-08-2014 04:18 AM
  5. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    It is indeed not all about the chip set and specs only. In my case it's about finding what fits my needs. So I am now looking at putting aside My Lumia 1020 as a spare phone because I need a bigger screen.
    I have 2 options available a Lumia 1320 ( 1520 will not fully work on Wind ), or a Galaxy Note ( A phone I really have no desire for ).

    Due to failing eyes Phablets fit the bill. So soon I will pull the trigger.

    Now if only I could pair a 1320 to a Smart Watch ( one that looks like a Watch), I would have all I need.

    However my point is I am looking to step away from the Daddy of Phones to get a bigger screen in what is normally thought to be lesser spec in a 1320. I would have no need for my Cannon point and shoot with a 1020 as my main shooter.
    11-08-2014 04:53 AM
  6. stickyshocker's Avatar
    I do understand that we are struggling to get even just 2 high end phones in 1 market which is stupid to say the least. We have the 930 no available in us and for UK not m8. Do we really need massive specs or is it we just want the best for the sake of it?
    colinkiama likes this.
    11-08-2014 11:44 AM
  7. phlamethrowre's Avatar
    There is a market for high-end, high spec phones. Microsoft is choosing to ignore that segment of the market. So I'm forgetting Microsoft. Google can have my money.
    Anubis4574 and Tom Snyder like this.
    11-08-2014 11:52 AM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    There is a market for high-end, high spec phones. Microsoft is choosing to ignore that segment of the market. So I'm forgetting Microsoft. Google can have my money.
    I just came over from Android. The high end spec race grows boring after a while. I have a Lumia 920 that does exactly what I need. It all depends on what you use your phone for.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    11-08-2014 02:49 PM
  9. trainplane's Avatar
    It's not about Cores or Ghz or RAM. A lot of people don't even really know how that has an effect on their real world usage. But their current flagships are falling behind. For instance, the 1020 would be perfectly fine except:

    1. Other phones are starting to catch up and surpass in different areas of picture quality.
    2. Camera is dog slow. Could use a more modern SOC such as the Snapdragon 810.
    3. Windows 8.1 made the 1020 apps run slower. Resuming... Loading... Again could use a faster SOC.
    4. Many modern flagships can fit larger batteries and are lighter and thinner. Miniaturization is the biggest driving factor in silicon progress.
    5. There are a host of new tech being added to other flagships. Waterproofing, better FFC, low power Sensorcore and other sensors that don't use up SOC power, 1080p/60 video, 4K video, etc

    The above are real world usage, not Ghz. Not every point matters to everyone but these are some examples. But as I said in another thread, MS is likely waiting for Windows 10 to release the true successors to the 920/1020 phones. And hopefully by Windows 10 we will also get the HTC M9 Windows version near the release of the Android version, not 6 months later.
    11-08-2014 07:07 PM
  10. undulose's Avatar
    I like what MSoft is doing with late releases of flagship phones. Instead, they're releasing updates to them (and even in almost every phone) which is much more different compared to most Android manufacturers. For example, for a phone to have 4K recording, you need to buy a new flagship. But since I have the 1520, I just need to wait for the Lumia Denim update. Isn't that practical? Android fans complain because of lack of updates. I will only understand WP fans' complaints if MS doesn't update too, but that's not clearly the case.
    stickyshocker likes this.
    11-08-2014 07:56 PM
  11. stickyshocker's Avatar
    I like what MSoft is doing with late releases of flagship phones. Instead, they're releasing updates to them (and even in almost every phone) which is much more different compared to most Android manufacturers. For example, for a phone to have 4K recording, you need to buy a new flagship. But since I have the 1520, I just need to wait for the Lumia Denim update. Isn't that practical? Android fans complain because of lack of updates. I will only understand WP fans' complaints if MS doesn't update too, but that's not clearly the case.
    I have been thinking the same thinkg, my Mrs got an xperia z1 in Jan and there was a time they didn't think they (Sony) would be bringing lollypop to it which is nuts but still 2 years later my 8x is still being updated and I'm cool with that although now on a 930 but they almost run the same
    undulose likes this.
    11-09-2014 05:34 AM
  12. gapost's Avatar
    I don't need the highest specs. I need good battery life and a carrier that will support WP. For those on Verizon, the future of WP is pretty dismal. Since I've been using Android, it's amazing that simple things like camera speed and notifications are so much better, even on less than high end android phones.
    11-09-2014 06:17 AM
  13. LockOnTech's Avatar
    To me, I do not mind the low end device; Yes my phone does not have a front facing camera or camera flash, but I did have other android phones before with equivalent or slightly better hardware specs and it was absolutely terrible. I truly cannot understand why android needs so many resources to run in the background just to run one application that is slow to the point of unusable. Windows phone is the most unique, flexible, and in all cases the most interesting and funnest operating system that I use on any phones I owned in the past.
    Raul Campos likes this.
    11-09-2014 08:06 AM
  14. stickyshocker's Avatar
    Good point about android Mrs brought a note 3 now sits in the drawer as even with only 6 extra apps on it it always crashes, stutters and freezes
    11-09-2014 08:58 AM
  15. xjjon's Avatar
    I have a Galaxy S3 and have been waiting for around 6 months to upgrade. I want to get a Windows phone but I won't get a low/mid range phone. My dad has an android as well and likes the 1020 but also does not want to buy an old phone. We are both waiting for a new high-end windows phone but it does not seem like it will happen. Not sure how long I will wait.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    11-09-2014 09:18 AM
  16. undulose's Avatar
    I have a Galaxy S3 and have been waiting for around 6 months to upgrade. I want to get a Windows phone but I won't get a low/mid range phone. My dad has an android as well and likes the 1020 but also does not want to buy an old phone. We are both waiting for a new high-end windows phone but it does not seem like it will happen. Not sure how long I will wait.

    Sorry to say this but it seems you'll have to wait until next year for new releases unless you can settle with the 1520 or 930/Icon. But one thing is sure; whatever Lumia you buy now (which ran at least on WP 8) will be updated to Windows 10.
    Jorge Holguin likes this.
    11-09-2014 10:10 AM
  17. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Ok so I'm sure like everyone else has been reading alot from everyone that they all want a new high end Lumia but I have been reading that people will leave windows and lumia and go to android if nothing is released.

    My question is what makes you stay with windows and Lumia now?

    I for one stay because of the platform and if no high end phones were ever released I'd still stay loyal to windows as I like it and don't like android.

    I'm surprised so many people would leave just because a massive high spec phone doesn't come out and go to android that needs the specs where windows doesn't.
    In my case is the OS. WP is the most fluid, elegant and easy to use mobile OS. I have all the apps and some more and I could asked for. Owned 920, 925 and now 1520. Specs by specs WP go head to head with any other.
    11-09-2014 10:17 AM
  18. hidayat225's Avatar
    I wonder why do people care so much about high end this days. In my opinion, this is an era where you could get the most value out of your phone. Especially for Windows Phone users.

    The line up of devices is sufficient enough to cater to everyone's needs.
    Need a badass battery life? Get the 1520/1320
    Need a badass landscape shots camera? 1020 (although I hope they refresh this one soon haha)
    Need an affordable phone? The 830 and below has the most flexible choices you could ever get out of any OS. And its not even that many.

    The main point here is that ALL WP8 phones runs similarly and only differ in ram limitations and resuming loading times. As a fan of tech especially in smartphones. I could see that the smartphones war has become stagnant. The only way forward here is to innovate properly (battery life, faster camera, seamless syncing with other techs).

    And Microsoft is going out with color and style.
    undulose likes this.
    11-09-2014 10:43 AM
  19. Asskickulater's Avatar
    yep completely agree, hell a new flagship would be pointless now anyway, if they ,ade a 1530.. what can they possibly do to it to make it an upgrade and not a sidegrade?
    undulose likes this.
    11-09-2014 12:06 PM
  20. stickyshocker's Avatar
    yep completely agree, hell a new flagship would be pointless now anyway, if they ,ade a 1530.. what can they possibly do to it to make it an upgrade and not a sidegrade?
    That my friend is exactly the point. The 1520 still looks and performs amazingly and so does the 1020. What would they do with the 1030 give it an extra 1gb ram, amoled screen perhaps but 41mp cam is already over kill so what's the point other than making the cam faster?
    11-09-2014 01:54 PM
  21. Xellsama's Avatar
    If I'm moving to Android, which is very likely now, here are my reasons:

    1) Spec: while I don't need a 41mp+Snapdragon 810+4gb ram+4K screen+whatever other top of the line features, I do like to have a phone on par with the general competition. My 920 is getting slower by the day, a lot of resuming, occasional stuttering on start screen when scrolling, etc. I didn't mind the weight and size of the phone 2 years ago, because it was a necessary trade off for camera and durability, but today that's no longer the case. Even within Lumia lines we have higher end thinner phones. The battery is also performing poorly after 8.1, I can at most get through a workday with moderate use, usually not reliable if I stay out past 8 or 9pm, and even then I'd have to be constantly be cautious about batter life. So it's time for an upgrade on specs. Sadly 930 is not available for AT&T, and 1520 is too large for me, not to mention both have been out for about a year now (ICON was out in Feb, but was leaked late last year before 1520.)

    2. Apps: I have over 300 apps installed on my phone, so typically I'm not someone who complains about the "app gap". But I have noticed how much more polished the apps on other platforms are, and I have to admit sometimes I'm quite jealous of that. With last week's announcement that Office will be free on iOS and Android, plus the existing fact of Skype and Onedrive working better on the other two platforms than on WP, there's almost no incentive for me to stay with WP.

    3. Camera: Lumia had the best camera, and today they are still very good. However, a couple issues do exist. Most notably, the speed. Nokia Camera is an awesome app but it's just so slow to load up. Other people would be already snapping their second or third picture on iPhones when my camera is just initiated. Shot to shot time is also quite poor, this is most noticeable when taking group pics, and it's taking me quite a bit of time to just get 2 or 3 photos while everyone's trying to maintain that smile. Picture quality wise, other phones are catching up and surpassing Lumia. G3, Z3, iPhone 6+ all take comparable, if not better pictures, without any of the hassles mentioned above. Even in low-light, where Lumia used to be king, others are performing better now.

    4. Price: I have no problem paying full price for a high-end phone. I do have problem, however, with paying the same price and getting less out of it. High-end Lumias are priced about the same as flagship Androids and iPhones, but I have to compromise spec, apps and camera. Why would I do that? I actually interact with all three platform, even Blackberry on nearly daily basis because of work and being the "tech person" for my family, and while WP is the most intuitive for me, using a different OS is not really going to hinder me at all. So when I put down that money I want to get the phone that can do the most, and performing the best on the market. Don't make me pay 700 dollars and get a sub-par experience.

    I really dont see MS releasing anything that's going to change the problems I mentioned until Windows 10 is released. So as my 2-yr contract end for my Lumia 920 next week I'll look to purchase an Android flagship phone. If in a year Microsoft release a flagship under Windows 10 that's super impressive, i can always sell the Android and come back to the platform. There's no reason for me to wait and compromise my own user experience for any company, no matter how much I like them overall.
    11-09-2014 02:41 PM
  22. JamesPTao's Avatar
    If you don't mind paying full price then buy a 930. It'll work on at&t. You will lose lte but its a fantastic phone.
    11-09-2014 03:04 PM
  23. muneshyne21's Avatar
    I kinda see this whole thing as a trickle up vs trickle down strategy discussion. The first thing that has to be assumed is that as big as Microsoft is, they only have enough resources to develop and push out 2 of the three tiers of phones (Low, mid, high) at the moment. They chose low and mid.
    As much as I'm waiting impatiently for the next flagship, I acknowledge that selling 10 million 530s vs 1 million 1030's will make my current 928 much better off in the long run. More market share = more developers = more apps = more accessory support = more attention from Microsoft.
    I don't have my flagship but I still kinda win anyways because Windows becomes a fuller ecosystem and larger community. If they focused on the 1030...you don't really get any of that other than bragging rights for having an uber awesome device. Microsoft has it right. Lets amass our army first before we make the high tech weapons.

    For now I'm having enough fun enjoying the explosion of WP ecosystem (no seriously, last year the app store was tiny!) and the constant major feature updates through the Developers Preview. It feels like I have a new phone every 3-4 months and my camera still impresses with the xenon flash. It also gives me the brightest flashlight of all my friends.
    11-09-2014 03:16 PM
  24. msirapian's Avatar
    I came to WP from Symbian ; my last was the 808 and I knew I had to adjust to the changes (Symbian abandonned, services closing).
    I naturally took the 1020 and also, WP for me had the double advantage of not being linked to Google nor Apple ^_^

    I bought it in March, this year. So after 4 months, I got 8.1, which is absolutely gorgeous and I don't find it to slow my phone. Some apps are still compiled for 8.0 and don't take benefit of the fast resume enabled by 8.1; I don't think we can blame the phone for that.

    Anyway. Yes, none of the new Lumias attracts me, as I'm a mobile photographer. I don't know will there be a 1030 or whatever. I believe yes, and that high end flagship will probably released when W10 is here, to associate superb HW with awesome OS in terms of PR.

    And in the meanwhile, even if I'm said my obsolete 1020 won't get any new camera feature, I don't really care, I have OIS and RAW, it's enough. More important to my eyes: I'll receive all the OS updates including W10. So that's why I don't leave: my 1020 works, it's still the best cameraphone available, and my device is not obsolete OS-wise (FW-wise maybe).

    I have the impression to have join the WindowsPhone train at the right moment: everything seems to accelerate. And now that Nokia devices are absorbed, the 2 products pipes (Microsoft's one and Nokia's legacy roadmap) will finally converge. I expect more legibility for the Lumia portfolio during 2015
    11-09-2014 03:52 PM
  25. Xellsama's Avatar
    If you don't mind paying full price then buy a 930. It'll work on at&t. You will lose lte but its a fantastic phone.
    But why would we want to lose LTE? It's not like it'll cost less for us to get lower quality service due to our phone's limitation. Paying high end price is not an issue as long as we receive the same quality of experience in return, and that's what we are lacking on WP.
    Tom Snyder likes this.
    11-09-2014 05:19 PM
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