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  1. Jonnie LasVegas's Avatar
    https://windowsphone.uservoice.com/f...0%2C9132083055
    Guys open the above link. It's a suggestion I filed in WP user voice. If you find it good, plz vote.
    Gave you three votes and a comment to support.
    buddy007 and sufran like this.
    11-09-2014 01:11 AM
  2. sufran's Avatar
    Gave you three votes and a comment to support.
    Thanx for the vote and extra sauce(comment) ;) :)
    11-09-2014 01:32 AM
  3. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    Yeah at least MS should say that better features will be given to windows phone users.. Giving office app to others is fine but make sure you give the best to windows phone MS... Windows10 is your last chance .. If you screw it windows mobile platform is dead..
    adkrish22290 and a5cent like this.
    11-09-2014 01:39 AM
  4. Visa Declined's Avatar
    Keeping iOS and Android users from switching away to some other Office suite is important to Microsoft. They're taking care of their monetary bread & butter. Microsoft has more Office 365 customers that use iOS and Android then they do who use Windows Mobile. Feel free to prove me wrong on that.

    Don't make the mistake of believing that you are somehow more important than users of other platforms, you're not when it comes to Office. Microsoft knows to provide the best experience for the people who actually spend money on Office 365, and iOS users completely dominate that landscape.

    http://media.www1.good.com/documents...index-2014.pdf
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    11-09-2014 06:26 AM
  5. binnyandrews's Avatar
    Keeping iOS and Android users from switching away to some other Office suite is important to Microsoft. They're taking care of their monetary bread & butter. Microsoft has more Office 365 customers that use iOS and Android then they do who use Windows Mobile. Feel free to prove me wrong on that.

    Don't make the mistake of believing that you are somehow more important than users of other platforms, you're not when it comes to Office. Microsoft knows to provide the best experience for the people who actually spend money on Office 365, and iOS users completely dominate that landscape.

    http://media.www1.good.com/documents...index-2014.pdf
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    ^ this. Further, recently making the WP os free to oem's would have made a dip in the revenue. Hence they might need to concentrate more on to generate revenue which would help them float and keep wp free for us. Eventually all these office updates would come to WP or W10
    11-09-2014 06:48 AM
  6. rodan01's Avatar
    Windows is dead in mobile. Windows 10 will make it even worst, Microsoft already gave up with Windows. They adopted Android and iOS as their preferred platforms to distribute their services.

    I don't recommend buying Windows devices or developing for this platform.
    11-09-2014 06:50 AM
  7. tooly26's Avatar
    Never read so much bllsht in one post.....
    This is how you thing, but for me windows is on a good way, I like the platform on desktop, tablet and mobile. I love developing apps for windows. Universal developing is a great thing.

    gEtApATaLkEd
    TgeekB likes this.
    11-09-2014 06:58 AM
  8. realwarder's Avatar
    Windows is dead in mobile. Windows 10 will make it even worst, Microsoft already gave up with Windows. They adopted Android and iOS as their preferred platforms to distribute their services.

    I don't recommend buying Windows devices or developing for this platform.
    I think the continued release of new hardware and OS updates defies your view. Microsoft still want to own the mobile space but without keeping people engaged through it's apps and services on other platforms it would decline rapidly. I suspect hooking people into those will eventually open opportunities for self promotion and maintaining the relevance of Windows too.
    TgeekB likes this.
    11-09-2014 07:02 AM
  9. colinkiama's Avatar
    Why are you guys so selfish? No one complains that the whole Google suite is on iOS. But when it's Microsoft everyone loses their minds. Stop making such a big deal and enjoy what you have. You chose windows phone so this is what you get.
    RichardBurt likes this.
    11-09-2014 07:22 AM
  10. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    Keeping iOS and Android users from switching away to some other Office suite is important to Microsoft. They're taking care of their monetary bread & butter. Microsoft has more Office 365 customers that use iOS and Android then they do who use Windows Mobile. Feel free to prove me wrong on that.

    Don't make the mistake of believing that you are somehow more important than users of other platforms, you're not when it comes to Office. Microsoft knows to provide the best experience for the people who actually spend money on Office 365, and iOS users completely dominate that landscape.

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    so what they could do is provide free subscription for those who use windows phone....
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    11-09-2014 07:25 AM
  11. buddy007's Avatar
    yeah well but to do something about the market share MS has to start somewhere and it is not gonna be provided by others if MS itself doesnt provide it else there goes the egg and chicken circle all over again
    11-09-2014 07:27 AM
  12. colinkiama's Avatar
    They are not ignoring their own platforms, they are just supporting others to stay relevant. We are still getting the new office app in 2015.
    11-09-2014 07:28 AM
  13. Rakesh Rocky2's Avatar
    Why are you guys so selfish? No one complains that the whole Google suite is on iOS. But when it's Microsoft everyone loses their minds. Stop making such a big deal and enjoy what you have. You chose windows phone so this is what you get.
    when you are at the bottom you have to give two times more than others to come on top... am not saying wp is dead , w10 can be successful...But if they do like this whats the point in switching from other platforms?? MS sure will lose trust
    neo158 likes this.
    11-09-2014 07:29 AM
  14. buddy007's Avatar
    its great to see developers like you but the primary aspect of a general developer is to make some money....keeping the hobby and platform love aside....what message does this send to developers like them?
    11-09-2014 07:30 AM
  15. Visa Declined's Avatar
    so what they could do is provide free subscription for those who use windows phone....
    I'm sure they have something planned, but right now their customers on iOS and Android are being possibly lured away by other free or low cost alternatives, and they want to put a stop to that right now. Like I said before, they are Microsoft's biggest Office customers.
    colinkiama likes this.
    11-09-2014 07:42 AM
  16. Silver Wind's Avatar
    I find myself unable to see this as any other way but Microsoft admitting defeat to Apple and Google.

    Microsoft is no longer competing with those two. Microsoft's new competition is with OpenOffice and whatever third party that makes Office Apps n iOS. It takes a company like Google to turn itself relevant after falling that far, and even it's failing miserably with Chrome OS, in spite of the Chrome mindshare.
    neo158 likes this.
    11-09-2014 08:11 AM
  17. EBUK's Avatar
    Microsoft makes more money from Android than from Windows Phone thanks to the MS patents in the OS.

    The rivals therefore have to be supported to ensure a continued stream of revenue.
    11-09-2014 08:33 AM
  18. wuiyang's Avatar
    not ignoring, but lack of focus and advertising on its own platform.

    Microsoft want to play safe, doesn't want to full bet on its platform (yet), people has no reason to switch to Windows Phone (now, for some).
    Skype mostly used in business and family chit-chat tools, so making it cross-platform seems to be a MUST for other.
    But what they need to do is make EXCLUSIVE on their own platform.
    • free group video call for skype, exclusive for Windows Phone only
    • extra weapons, discounts, customize, and extra storage space in Age of Empires: World Domination exclusive for Windows Phone only
    • Office 365 Pro version + theme selection free Windows Phone only


    Microsoft don't want to publish Windows Phone. The reason they do that is because currently "lack of apps and developer support", "we still improving it to a better phone OS" etc, but when they do advertise it, it might be too late. OR THEY WANT TO DO IT WITH ONE SHOT, once gather enough developers, apps, special feature, Cortana supported in everywhere, and more, they will advertise to the WHOLE country and "all in" their money.

    Hope they will finish everything and advertising Windows Phone everywhere
    colinkiama and Sonu K like this.
    11-09-2014 08:41 AM
  19. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    What we all need to remember is MSFT is a software company first. Always has been, and probably always will. Word for iOS is the second most free downloaded application next to Facebook. That's a win for MSFT. Admitting defeat is hardly what they're doing. Understanding the dynamic of the mobile market is the key. Getting caught up in market share isn't going to help them now. The average consumer who has an android or iPhone still typically uses some windows device whether it be laptop or desktop. What I can see is once Windows 10 is released and a unified ecosystem is more tangible, people will contemplate the simplicity of having a unified working information system setup vice what they currently have. I really see this if and she Cortana is implemented to other Windows devices. MSFTs one ecosystem approach would be the first completely unified structure and present a lot more possibilities. This is how WP, which will be referred to as Windows, will increase in popularity. If people aren't using MSFT software on other devices, why would they even look towards Windows?
    11-09-2014 08:56 AM
  20. spaulagain's Avatar
    so what they could do is provide free subscription for those who use windows phone....
    They already did that with some Windows tablets.

    There is one thing I learned from this thread. There are a lot of whiners that no nothing about running a business.

    Microsoft has already lost ground to Google Docs, etc. They can't afford to focus their efforts on a platform that has less than 5% market share, while the rest of the market switches to another service. This is not rocket science.

    It's really simple, Office on mobile devices is free. Office on desktop is not.

    You guys need to get over yourselves. If anything, you should be excited right because Windows 10 is going to be a massive update and investment into MS's own OS. And will included updates to Office for Touch, etc.

    We've had Office on our Windows Phones for 4+ years, and on Windows tablets for 2+ years.

    The other mobile platforms are just now getting them and you guys are complaining?

    And what's worse for your whining, is Office on Windows tablets is the full Office. Just recompiled for RT on the Surface.

    The only area slacking is in WP which they're clearing waiting to update until they have the two OSes unified and can launch one app suite.
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    11-09-2014 09:10 AM
  21. neo158's Avatar
    They already did that with some Windows tablets.

    There is one thing I learned from this thread. There are a lot of whiners that no nothing about running a business.

    Microsoft has already lost ground to Google Docs, etc. They can't afford to focus their efforts on a platform that has less than 5% market share, while the rest of the market switches to another service. This is not rocket science.

    It's really simple, Office on mobile devices is free. Office on desktop is not.

    You guys need to get over yourselves. If anything, you should be excited right because Windows 10 is going to be a massive update and investment into MS's own OS. And will included updates to Office for Touch, etc.

    We've had Office on our Windows Phones for 4+ years, and on Windows tablets for 2+ years.

    The other mobile platforms are just now getting them and you guys are complaining?

    And what's worse for your whining, is Office on Windows tablets is the full Office. Just recompiled for RT on the Surface.

    The only area slacking is in WP which they're clearing waiting to update until they have the two OSes unified and can launch one app suite.
    Then what should we do, sit back and take it up the *** from Microsoft or complain and get something done. My guess is that you joined the WP ecosystem with WP8 and as such have no idea what WP7 was like. If it wasn't for complaints from early adopters like me then you would be using the version you are today.

    Except that's where you're wrong, Office on iOS and Android IS free for home use only, want to use it for business then you NEED an Office 365 subscription.

    Why should I be excited about Windows 10 when we've heard nothing about the ARM version, so we have no way of knowing if current devices will get it. My complaint has never been about the tablet version, even though RT users were promised a full touch based version in Office Gemini ages ago, as the version we currently have is superior to the iOS and Android versions anyway.

    My complaint is with the 4+ year old WP version that has received one update in those 4+ years that added no real functionality anyway. There was absolutely no reason why they couldn't have removed Office from the core of the OS with WP8, they already did with Xbox Music and Video to enable faster updates. Waiting for Windows 10 and/or they can't focus on a platform that has less than 5% market share is BS as Windows 10 won't grow that market share anyway and they SHOULD be focused on a platform that has less than 5% of the market as IT'S THEIR OWN GOD DAMN PLATFORM.

    Unifying the platform isn't a valid excuse either as Universal apps are here already.
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    11-09-2014 10:10 AM
  22. binnyandrews's Avatar
    Windows is dead in mobile. Windows 10 will make it even worst, Microsoft already gave up with Windows. They adopted Android and iOS as their preferred platforms to distribute their services.

    I don't recommend buying Windows devices or developing for this platform.
    Why are you here then?
    Microsoftjunkie likes this.
    11-09-2014 10:56 AM
  23. stephen_az's Avatar
    I know you guys must have read, replied and discussed about this a lot lately but is the idea of supporting other platforms way before microsoft's own platform which needs to be poised for growth but instead the windows, windows phone and windows RT are biting dust while rivals are seeing the most developer love from microsoft at all sensible?

    one of the most killer productivity suite of apps namely the Office is now universally available on IOS and is going to be available for Android very soon....and the touch version of it is not due on windows until windows 10. what reason should a productivity minded consumer have to move in with a platform that have little developer interest which is lead by the platform's owner itself?

    we windows(phone) users are very synonymous with wait until the next big thing but IMO this is not gonna hold out much longer.the hardware and software are/were always top notch with windows platform albeit occasional hiccups but hey c'mon microsoft is not just a software and services company right now but also a hardware company.....if they cant support their own hardware division with the latest software there is absolutely no other reason for other developers to support windows. this is not the case just with Office but also some features with Skype Qik, Snipp3t for IOS and Skype itself....


    though i think microsoft is one a very bold and different path from the old one i am extremely skeptical about this treating of their own service as a second hand one. now i understand that in a world of tech for the need to stay relevant you need to stay visible across the whole spectrum that doesnt mean your own platform has to be invisible. i dont like this aspect of the new microsoft and frankly i guess the consumers and developers show the same attitude towards MS too..

    What do you guys think?
    I am sorry but this line has gotten really old. Would people try for just a bit of perspective? First, the version of Office for IPads (not all ios devices) is a scaled version far below the capabilities of Office 365/2013. It is not a universally available version of a killer productivity suite. Rather, it is a touch enabled version with higher end stuff stripped out. Office for Android Tablets is also not available - it will come out as a preview/beta release for which people need to sign up before being able to test. Compare that to what is available on ANY Windows tablet with less than an I series processor. They ALL have either Office 2013 Home and Student or Office 365 Personal loaded unless an OEM chooses to not load it. Full blown Office vs a mobile version that has been beta tested by few (if any) - which is the better deal? For me the additional annoying irony is that most of what has been shown about Office for IPads doesn't look much more touch friendly than Office 365/2013. Of course this should come as no surprise given Office 365/2013 already has touch and release context menus and the overall ribbon structure was defined around the concept of abandoning conventional menus in favor of clustered functions.

    As far as people with I series processors AND Macs having to pay for Office, so what? Someone has to pay for something or do people think that Microsoft is a charitable organization set up just for their benefit? As far as Office for iPhones and Android phones (which hold almost all of the market) they, along with Office for WP, have all sucked until the new version for iPhones was announced and even that is still a far cry from any other version of Office. You will see an updated version for Android phones eventually and WP when the new OS is finished. As far as WP goes, it is after all not an app but something that is embedded in the OS.

    Beyond any of that how have people still missed the fact that Microsoft is in the process of upgrading ALL of their OSs? The reason you do not have some equivalent to Office for IPads is the touch version of Office for Windows is in parallel development with Windows 10. People will see it and get it when the OS is released. That, of course, will include OS upgrades for phones, tablets, and laptops/desktops. What is so hard to accept about that reality? I am sorry there is a disconnect for a few months but that is life. If they rushed it, I am sure most of the people whining about not having something now would be the first to line up an complain about bugs or half finished products and how Microsoft "is ignoring their own platform." The grass is really not always greener on the other side of the hill and, quite frankly, one of Microsoft's biggest hurdles is the fact that a vocal segment of the Windows community always seem to think someone else is getting a better deal largely based upon a Microsoft business model that has not existed for a very long time....
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    11-09-2014 11:19 AM
  24. iamtim's Avatar
    If it wasn't for complaints from early adopters like me then you would be using the version you are today.
    Wow, you're a super-duper smartphone complaint guy. You've done a great service to Windows Phone. We all - Microsoft included - owe you a great debt of gratitude.

    There was absolutely no reason why they couldn't have removed Office from the core of the OS with WP8, they already did with Xbox Music and Video to enable faster updates.
    It must be nice to have so much pull with Microsoft that you KNOW there was no reason. I'm sure you were told that in one of your weekly teleconferences with the Windows Phone development team, right?

    they SHOULD be focused on a platform that has less than 5% of the market as IT'S THEIR OWN GOD DAMN PLATFORM.
    I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't replaced their new CEO with you. You definitely have a much better handle on where Microsoft should be spending their resources than he does.

    Now, sarcasm aside, Microsoft is a corporation whose shareholders want it to make money. Microsoft SHOULD be focused on whatever brings in the money for the shareholders within Microsoft's corporate focus. iOS and Android bring in the money; Windows Phone most likely exists only to try to bring in the money from the relatively small group of users (as you said, less than 5% of the US market) who don't want to use iOS and Android.
    11-09-2014 11:21 AM
  25. Pierre Blackwell's Avatar
    Then what should we do, sit back and take it up the *** from Microsoft or complain and get something done. My guess is that you joined the WP ecosystem with WP8 and as such have no idea what WP7 was like. If it wasn't for complaints from early adopters like me then you would be using the version you are today.

    Except that's where you're wrong, Office on iOS and Android IS free for home use only, want to use it for business then you NEED an Office 365 subscription.

    Why should I be excited about Windows 10 when we've heard nothing about the ARM version, so we have no way of knowing if current devices will get it. My complaint has never been about the tablet version, even though RT users were promised a full touch based version in Office Gemini ages ago, as the version we currently have is superior to the iOS and Android versions anyway.

    My complaint is with the 4+ year old WP version that has received one update in those 4+ years that added no real functionality anyway. There was absolutely no reason why they couldn't have removed Office from the core of the OS with WP8, they already did with Xbox Music and Video to enable faster updates. Waiting for Windows 10 and/or they can't focus on a platform that has less than 5% market share is BS as Windows 10 won't grow that market share anyway and they SHOULD be focused on a platform that has less than 5% of the market as IT'S THEIR OWN GOD DAMN PLATFORM.

    Unifying the platform isn't a valid excuse either as Universal apps are here already.
    Well I have been a Windows Phone user since WP7 so I know what you're talking about, but I think you're points are a little skewed. First MSFT admitted that when WP7 was introduced it wasn't designed to be an enterprise capable ecosystem. Yeah it offered a lot of unique features, some of which have since been removed like Facebook and Twitter integration with the native SMS, but that was a necessary move as well. As for there being no mention of ARM, that is also incorrect. MSFT has mentioned merging RT and WP together to present a unified ecosystem often.
    As far as Office is concerned, even with the other ecosystems providing administration application suites, Office is still the reigning champion by a long shot. MSFT made the home version of office free, because iWork, and Google Docs are free. The caveat is that most people who use those other platforms still use some form of Office, especially when you're talking about corporations and enterprise. It is an excellent move from MSFT to possible entice users to buy Office 365 for business to better utilize the suite.
    Universal apps do exist, but this hasn't been a priority until recently, so allow it time to take its form.

    All in all like I said, MSFT has always been software first. In retrospect it they still are one of the three most popular companies next to Apple and Google so they're doing just fine. Sataya has made an effort to transition MSFT's focus to a mobile first direction, but from a desktop driven company, that will take time. Has WP increased market share every year since they've come out? Yes. What indications do we have that gives us any reason to believe that trend won't continue? Nothing. Windows 10 looks to be the best OS from MSFT since XP, and that can be a game changer, so you can't say it doesn't matter because we've yet to see. Go back to the Matrix Neo.
    11-09-2014 11:32 AM
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