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  1. iamtim's Avatar
    Here's more proof that Microsoft is focusing on services and mobile/cloud first:
    Microsoft open sources .NET, takes it to Linux and OS X | Ars Technica

    All of these things that they're pushing out to other platforms - Office, OneDrive, OneNote, .NET - already work on their own platforms. Because they are trying to attain a platform agnostic position, they have to get those other platforms up to par. If Windows Phone suffers in the short term, that's probably an acceptable situation for them, especially if Windows 10 is the "step" which brings Windows Phone (even though it won't then be called Windows Phone) up to par with everything else.
    Laura Knotek, a5cent, Pete and 2 others like this.
    11-12-2014 07:24 PM
  2. neo158's Avatar
    Here's more proof that Microsoft is focusing on services and mobile/cloud first:
    Microsoft open sources .NET, takes it to Linux and OS X | Ars Technica

    All of these things that they're pushing out to other platforms - Office, OneDrive, OneNote, .NET - already work on their own platforms. Because they are trying to attain a platform agnostic position, they have to get those other platforms up to par. If Windows Phone suffers in the short term, that's probably an acceptable situation for them, especially if Windows 10 is the "step" which brings Windows Phone (even though it won't then be called Windows Phone) up to par with everything else.
    What many people have failed to read into is that Windows 10 for ARM won't be a final release in 2015 but a preview version which will be available in late 2015, so I wouldn't expect the final release until early 2016.
    11-13-2014 07:42 AM
  3. noobchief's Avatar
    Guys, I am a user since WM6.5, after reading Tom Warren's article, I feel like quitting, because I'm simply tired of waiting. Any opinions?
    neo158 and jkercado like this.
    11-13-2014 08:13 AM
  4. runamuck83's Avatar
    Guys, I am a user since WM6.5, after reading Tom Warren's article, I feel like quitting, because I'm simply tired of waiting. Any opinions?
    I share your sadness. I just bought a new Lumia 830. I love it, it's a beautiful piece of hardware and serves my needs. I hope MS continues to improve its soul though
    neo158 and noobchief like this.
    11-13-2014 08:27 AM
  5. dbdmora's Avatar
    Good article by the Verge Microsoft?s Android and iOS focus leaves Windows users in the cold | The Verge

    I agree MS, should make the apps on the WP platform first and then other Mobile OSes. Why would i not switch to Android if they will get the better windows apps first before a WP user plus Andriod has a better app catalog. I love my 1020 but it is getting older and I want something better now. MS needs to make a high-end WP phone soon or I will need to switch unfortunately especially if they won't even update their own Apps.
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    11-13-2014 08:36 AM
  6. Reflexx's Avatar
    I don't mind MS making services available on other platforms.

    I don't mind if the apps are just as good on Android and iOS.

    I DO mind when they are inferior on WP. It shows that they take loyal WP users for granted.

    It's like MS is a parent who buys brand new clothes for the neighbors kids because they are cool and popular. For their own kids? Hand-me-downs.
    neo158, wpn00b, bigbmc26 and 5 others like this.
    11-13-2014 08:41 AM
  7. wpn00b's Avatar
    I don't mind MS making services available on other platforms.

    I don't mind if the apps are just as good on Android and iOS.

    I DO mind when they are inferior on WP. It shows that they take loyal WP users for granted.

    It's like MS is a parent who buys brand new clothes for the neighbors kids because they are cool and popular. For their own kids? Hand-me-downs.
    This. Especially that analogy
    11-13-2014 08:52 AM
  8. nessinhaw's Avatar
    well...the best way is keep uservoice growing or like i already suggested, start a petition for the sake of drawing their attention...just complaining about this problems in a forum won't really help but making some noise sure will and the more noise we make, the best
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    11-13-2014 09:02 AM
  9. akila madawa's Avatar
    I really think that they should care more about wp . . Dat should be there priority WHICH IS NOT . . for an example nexus series . . no matter how hard samsung and other devices try if someone wants the best out of a android device you got to pick the nexus . . I mean . . they just have made that phone the cream . . that's exactly what microsoft should do u know . . Instead of selling out to other . . I've been very loyal and faithful since the day one with windowsphone . . You know hoping everyday the future will be better it will be unique . . But the way this goes . . ??!! lets see what you got windows10 . . and if this is the way it goes still after that . . I hate Android devices but . . Nexus really is something . .
    11-13-2014 09:06 AM
  10. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    What many people have failed to read into is that Windows 10 for ARM won't be a final release in 2015 but a preview version which will be available in late 2015, so I wouldn't expect the final release until early 2016.
    Can you provide a source/an article link for this information?
    11-13-2014 09:26 AM
  11. neo158's Avatar
    Can you provide a source/an article link for this information?
    I'll try to find the article in question and post it here ;-)

    Edit: Here you go: http://www.windowscentral.com/window...due-until-2015
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    11-13-2014 09:33 AM
  12. wpn00b's Avatar
    well...the best way is keep uservoice growing or like i already suggested, start a petition for the sake of drawing their attention...just complaining about this problems in a forum won't really help but making some noise sure will and the more noise we make, the best
    The problem with UserVoice is so many of the comments there are pointless. People waste their votes on things like "Please bring X Language to Cortana!" (localization takes time...it's coming already) or they open suggestions that are identical to others so none of them ever reach the top. So I've pretty much stopped using it except in my signature or in comments on duplicated suggestions to link those people to the identical suggestion that has many times the votes.
    Last edited by wpn00b; 11-13-2014 at 09:44 AM. Reason: added quote
    11-13-2014 09:42 AM
  13. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    I'll try to find the article in question and post it here ;-)

    Edit: Here you go: http://www.windowscentral.com/window...due-until-2015
    Yeah, I read that. But the same article quotes MJF(who is one of the most reliable source on MSFT news) that preview version will be available around Jan/Feb and since Windows 10 will officially be announced at Build 2015, why would you think that Windows 10 on ARM will come in 2016. I'd wager a guess that new devices with Windows 10(PCs, Phones, Tablets, Convertibles) will start to release from Summer of 2015 or at the most Fall of 2015.
    11-13-2014 09:48 AM
  14. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    The problem with UserVoice is so many of the comments there are pointless. People waste their votes on things like "Please bring X Language to Cortana!" (localization takes time...it's coming already) or they open suggestions that are identical to others so none of them ever reach the top. So I've pretty much stopped using it except in my signature or in comments on duplicated suggestions to link those people to the identical suggestion that has many times the votes.
    While that is all true, please everyone, continue to go to User Voice and do your best to read, prioritize, and vote. Please persevere. Have your say. Vote.

    Yes, Microsoft is making a mistake slighting their platform and customers. Their support of other platforms makes economic sense, but should be "branded" with the look and feel of todays modern evolving UI, not yesterdays google UI.
    11-13-2014 09:54 AM
  15. neo158's Avatar
    Yeah, I read that. But the same article quotes MJF(who is one of the most reliable source on MSFT news) that preview version will be available around Jan/Feb and since Windows 10 will officially be announced at Build 2015, why would you think that Windows 10 on ARM will come in 2016. I'd wager a guess that new devices with Windows 10(PCs, Phones, Tablets, Convertibles) will start to release from Summer of 2015 or at the most Fall of 2015.
    The article also quotes Joe Belfiore stating that the preview for ARM will be coming "well into 2015", MJF simply states Windows so without knowing if she is talking about the x86/x64 version or the ARM version we don't know.
    11-13-2014 10:22 AM
  16. DoctorSaline's Avatar
    The article also quotes Joe Belfiore stating that the preview for ARM will be coming "well into 2015", MJF simply states Windows so without knowing if she is talking about the x86/x64 version or the ARM version we don't know.
    But the preview version of x86/64 is already here. The preview expected/rumored in Jan/Feb is Windows on ARM.

    Here: http://m.windowscentral.com/rumor-cl...due-early-2015
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    11-13-2014 11:00 AM
  17. iamtim's Avatar
    I DO mind when they are inferior on WP. It shows that they take loyal WP users for granted.
    The thing is, though, they've only been inferior a very short while. It was only until recently that iOS and Android even had viable Microsoft-created Office equivalents.

    It really feels like too many WP fans are missing the forest for the trees, here. Microsoft got Office (and related apps) on WP to a specific functionality level, and then began working on the platform: they unified the kernel, brought in a bunch of features, and are now working on unifying the platform itself. While that was going on, other teams released all the apps for other platforms as befitting Microsoft's new "platform agnostic services/mobile/cloud" paradigm.

    I'm sure Windows 10 will be the trigger that brings Office (and related apps) up to par with the other platforms. If not... yeah, then you've got something to whinge about. But right now? WP users are not being taken for granted; sure, the other platforms temporarily have better MS apps and services, but there is SO MUCH WORK going on for WP right now.
    11-13-2014 12:12 PM
  18. Squachy's Avatar
    The thing is, though, they've only been inferior a very short while. It was only until recently that iOS and Android even had viable Microsoft-created Office equivalents.

    It really feels like too many WP fans are missing the forest for the trees, here. Microsoft got Office (and related apps) on WP to a specific functionality level, and then began working on the platform: they unified the kernel, brought in a bunch of features, and are now working on unifying the platform itself. While that was going on, other teams released all the apps for other platforms as befitting Microsoft's new "platform agnostic services/mobile/cloud" paradigm.

    I'm sure Windows 10 will be the trigger that brings Office (and related apps) up to par with the other platforms. If not... yeah, then you've got something to whinge about. But right now? WP users are not being taken for granted; sure, the other platforms temporarily have better MS apps and services, but there is SO MUCH WORK going on for WP right now.
    Well we've had 4 odd years of a crappy version of office. Then poof, IOS and Android gets a good version out of nowhere so where's ours? Gotta wait for windows 10.... Sometime next year.......hmm really? So for those for years they did nothing to improve windows phone office?

    Lets put it this way. You work for company x. Your the newest guy, just past four years on the job. They're a busy company so you share the job with two outsourced contractors. Both veterans of the trade so they're good at what they do. You all do the same thing.
    One day your company x decides to give those outsourced workers each a new company car to use. That's nice, you have a company car too. But you realize soon that they are getting fully loaded BMW m3s. Wtf? You drove a base company Toyota yaris for the past several years... Where's your upgrade? Oh sorry, you'll get a new one next year when the newer m3s come out. Oh btw, those vets recieved new laptops awhile back too. You on the other hand got a nice amazon kindle.
    Last edited by Squachy; 11-13-2014 at 04:36 PM.
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    11-13-2014 04:15 PM
  19. rodan01's Avatar
    Lets put it this way. You work for company x. Your the newest guy, just past four years on the job. They're a busy company so you share the job with two outsourced contractors. Both veterans of the trade so they're good at what they do. You all do the same thing.
    One day your company x decides to give those outsourced workers each a new company car to use. That's nice, you have a company car too. But you realize soon that they are getting fully loaded BMW m3s. Wtf? You drove a base company Toyota yaris for the past several years... Where's your upgrade? Oh sorry, you'll get a new one next year when the newer m3s come out. Oh btw, those vets recieved new laptops awhile back too. You on the other hand got a nice amazon kindle.

    God, It's so unfair.
    I'd use my Yaris keys to draw a **** in those m3s.
    11-13-2014 06:07 PM
  20. spaulagain's Avatar
    Well we've had 4 odd years of a crappy version of office. Then poof, IOS and Android gets a good version out of nowhere so where's ours? Gotta wait for windows 10.... Sometime next year.......hmm really? So for those for years they did nothing to improve windows phone office?

    Lets put it this way. You work for company x. Your the newest guy, just past four years on the job. They're a busy company so you share the job with two outsourced contractors. Both veterans of the trade so they're good at what they do. You all do the same thing.
    One day your company x decides to give those outsourced workers each a new company car to use. That's nice, you have a company car too. But you realize soon that they are getting fully loaded BMW m3s. Wtf? You drove a base company Toyota yaris for the past several years... Where's your upgrade? Oh sorry, you'll get a new one next year when the newer m3s come out. Oh btw, those vets recieved new laptops awhile back too. You on the other hand got a nice amazon kindle.
    Your analogy is completely flawed on so many levels. But it illustrates why the WP fans that are pissed, are pissed. Because they have a very narrow minded view of the whole thing. So thanks for exemplifying the truly flawed perspective of their complaining.

    And the iOS/Android versions didn't just come out of no where like poof. They've been working on them for a while just like the touch version for Windows. We've known about the iOS and Android version for well over a year or so.

    Windows 10 is supposed to bring a lot of changes. Changes that may impact the way Office touch integrates with OS and how its used. So it makes sense to wait until that's released to release the new versions of Office for Windows.

    In other words, get over it.
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    11-13-2014 06:09 PM
  21. iamtim's Avatar
    Then poof, IOS and Android gets a good version out of nowhere so where's ours? ... So for those for years they did nothing to improve windows phone office?
    Poof? Out of nowhere? Done nothing? Really?

    Those lines show how incredibly far out of touch you are with any sort of software development, and they prove to me that it's not worth my time trying to explain... well, anything to you.
    11-13-2014 10:10 PM
  22. neo158's Avatar
    To be fair the Android version of Office Mobile is just as bad, I hadn't used the Android version since switching back to WP though so I didn't know just how bad it still is until I installed it again today.

    However that still won't stop me from complaining about the Windows Phone version as the Android version is being updated, Microsoft have had 4+ years to provide WP with a first class Office experience.
    11-14-2014 11:03 AM
  23. sumton's Avatar
    the only reason i can come up with is that windows phone 8.1 OS isn't ready its not mature enough like ios or android to build a new office suite for it or get new features for onedrive / xbox music/ video / search / .......etc so im going to give them a chance and i'll wait for windows 10 phones actually i'll buy one of their windows 10 phones if they still prefering ios and android over windows phone sadly as much as i love Microsoft i will switch so its up to Microsoft to prove us wrong.
    11-14-2014 08:32 PM
  24. spaulagain's Avatar
    the only reason i can come up with is that windows phone 8.1 OS isn't ready its not mature enough like ios or android to build a new office suite for it or get new features for onedrive / xbox music/ video / search / .......etc so im going to give them a chance and i'll wait for windows 10 phones actually i'll buy one of their windows 10 phones if they still prefering ios and android over windows phone sadly as much as i love Microsoft i will switch so its up to Microsoft to prove us wrong.
    It's not necessarily that the OS isn't mature enough. It's just why waste time developing a bunch of features for an app that will be completely replaced by another version in less than a year. And its not like Office for WP hasn't been updated in 4 years. It has, I know because I've been using it since day one.

    Just wait for the release with Windows 10. It's OBVIOUS MS is holding out for that which is logical IMO. It's amazing how crazy people are getting because iOS and Android just now got Office and it happens to be slightly better than what's been on WP for 4 years.
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    11-14-2014 08:53 PM
  25. Ali Assaedi's Avatar
    or we can just jump ship.. if Nokia launched a pureview phone with another OS, i might just buy it at this point. Andriod people swear by google services/apps, and how they cant live without them. and ppl reply saying that microsoft/nokia has comparable services, yet nothing guts me more than knowing those microsoft apps are released faster on other platforms, are more robust on other platforms, and gets more frequent updates at other platforms, and more features at OTHER PLATFORMS :P

    it started with photosyenth , skydrive, remote control app, then one note, now office .. recently IOS had a complete rework in skype, and we got a drawing doodle plugin, lol.. and ofc they will never rework the WP versoin,.. mabye after 2 years time, by then IOS would have gotten tons of improvements.. all what i want is a stable skype app, i want to reliably receive the skype notification for chat, tap it , launch the app without fail, in less than 7 seconds, and reply back (too much?)


    --i know this might have been said 100x before.. still lit feels good letting it out-- :P

    i understand from their business point of view, more users are available on other platforms, so it would make more sense to improve services where "more" ppl will use and benefit.

    but the other part of the coin is, our own point of view. being consumers. it will make more sense for us to avoid this slow growing ecosystem. especially since its not as stable/fast as its used to be.

    if Microsoft wants the consumer to sacrifice a bit for WP, microsoft itself should sacrifice 2x more in resources to make those few customers happy. coz atm i feel im being deceived. i bought WP coz of Nokia, and no one can deny that Nokia poured its heart into the Lumias.. so please, enough with the excuses.

    /long *** rant
    11-15-2014 04:10 AM
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