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  1. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    With the state of things now in the Windows Phone universe, and with the confusion as to how the Lumia line is constructed, I'm curious to see how people feel about the overall brand. Are other lumia users getting bang for their buck with their devices? What should MSFT be doing to strengthen the brand? Do folks feel that it should be lumia = WP?

    My take is that with MSFT taking over Lumia brand now, cleaning up their offerings should be done to minimize confusion. As a dual user (Lumia 1520 & 1+1), it feels like MSFT is doing something Nexus-like with the Lumia line.

    So what say you?

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    11-11-2014 12:15 PM
  2. Bobvfr's Avatar
    Yes far too many numbers, I think they should pick three sizes, maybe 4.5", 5" and 6" and then do a low, medium and top end phone in each at most.



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    11-11-2014 12:19 PM
  3. jojoe42's Avatar
    With the state of things now in the Windows Phone universe, and with the confusion as to how the Lumia line is constructed, I'm curious to see how people feel about the overall brand. Are other lumia users getting bang for their buck with their devices? What should MSFT be doing to strengthen the brand? Do folks feel that it should be lumia = WP?

    My take is that with MSFT taking over Lumia brand now, cleaning up their offerings should be done to minimize confusion As a dual user (Lumia 1520 & 1+1), it feels like MSFT is doing something Nexus-like with the Lumia line.

    So what say you?

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    Agreed. They need to simplify everything, or else they might end up doing what Samsung did and oversaturate the market with phones that are all pretty similar to each other :P
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    11-11-2014 12:30 PM
  4. sahib lopez's Avatar
    Yes far too many numbers, I think they should pick three sizes, maybe 4.5", 5" and 6" and then do a low, medium and top end phone in each at most.

    Bob
    so like coming with 3 phones every category o.o? wouldn't that mean 9 phones every year or two ..that's if im understanding your correctly :P
    11-11-2014 12:30 PM
  5. OldMillXxX's Avatar
    With the purging of Nokia name, and the software merging to Windows (10), my hunch is that Microsoft is developing some very nice phones to put their name on, just like they did with the Surface. As they did with apps, they are going to where the largest chance for growth is first, then on to those of us that already have flagship phones after the merged Windows (10) launches. A lot of changes at Microsoft, even without the Nokia mobile purchase. I'm trying to be patient. Time will tell...
    11-11-2014 12:51 PM
  6. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    I hope they come out with some really nice phones. I wouldn't mind if Microsoft became the only OEM of Windows Phone, like Apple. However, that would be impossible considering there are already too many OEMs... Hopefully next year, everything will be established, and we'll get some really nice phones.
    11-11-2014 01:04 PM
  7. JamesDax's Avatar
    No.
    11-11-2014 01:07 PM
  8. worldspy99's Avatar
    The 535 is a solid start. They need to scrap the 6xx series and merge the 7xx and 8xx and 9xx series. Should make 10xx and 15xx as top shelf niche devices with really good hardware and camera combinations.
    11-11-2014 01:31 PM
  9. prasath1234's Avatar
    At least they are not selfish like Samsung who have scant regard for os updates for mid end nd low end here in wp even 2 year old phone getting update I talk about lumia 820.That is one feature wp has marched ahead of android ND shamesung.Nobody should dare to buy Samsung in low or mid end.High end they provide updates.By updating even lower end devices wp has got loyal customers at least in mid end.Many of my friends switched from lumia 520 to Lumia 730 because of this care towards customer.
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    11-11-2014 02:02 PM
  10. jjk227's Avatar
    My contract is up in January. I will not be getting another nokia windows phone. There are not many aps, I always have trouble downloading aps and updating. Verizon reps do not even know how to use the phone all I keep being told is "do a soft reset" or "do a hard reset". Lumina needs to start from scratch and make a phone that works all the time.
    11-11-2014 02:10 PM
  11. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    I hope they come out with some really nice phones. I wouldn't mind if Microsoft became the only OEM of Windows Phone, like Apple. However, that would be impossible considering there are already too many OEMs... Hopefully next year, everything will be established, and we'll get some really nice phones.
    I'm not so sure I want MSFT to be the only OEM for WP. I liked having Nokia because it least they had a game plan - I liked having Samsung and HTC because you would still get "stock WP", just with hardware that was comparatively different. If MSFT does it all, it may not appeal to the masses as much. MSFT needs to rope in everybody to keep building market share at this point.

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    11-11-2014 02:11 PM
  12. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Are other lumia users getting bang for their buck with their devices? What should MSFT be doing to strengthen the brand? Do folks feel that it should be lumia = WP?
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    Personally I would love for Lumia to equal windows phone. I have always wanted Microsoft to take an apple approach because that means the hardware and os is made directly by the same company and complement one another.

    I've always felt like non Lumia products have always been just thrown together really and they don't really do much for the overall platform. Losing HTC or Samsung really wouldn't matter no matter how much people seem to think otherwise and the other low end OEM doesn't really seem to help the os either.

    It's why I don't buy anything except surface for my tablet/laptop and Lumia as I know both products are going to be well supported devices. I want an apple mentality from Microsoft not this google minded
    11-11-2014 02:12 PM
  13. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Personally I would love for Lumia to equal windows phone. I have always wanted Microsoft to take an apple approach because that means the hardware and os is made directly by the same company and complement one another.

    I've always felt like non Lumia products have always been just thrown together really and they don't really do much for the overall platform. Losing HTC or Samsung really wouldn't matter no matter how much people seem to think otherwise and the other low end OEM doesn't really seem to help the os either.

    It's why I don't buy anything except surface for my tablet/laptop and Lumia as I know both products are going to be well supported devices. I want an apple mentality from Microsoft not this google minded
    I get that. I think for the agnostic like myself, the choice may be better. I would be open to a situation where Lumia is the flagship brand, but local folks like the Indian OEMs can make WP models to cater to those buyers. HTC is just too broke and Samsung is just to interested in not honoring old agreements to count on them right now. Sony is like HTC, LG is still tepid.

    To me it boils down to how fast MSFT handles the updates. As we've seen with Nokia, quality hardware can get wasted by constrained updates.

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    11-11-2014 02:54 PM
  14. Squachy's Avatar
    They should do low end, midrange, 2 sizes of high end (big screen, not as big screen) and phablet.
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    11-11-2014 03:09 PM
  15. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    They should do low end, midrange, 2 sizes of high end (big screen, not as big screen) and phablet.
    6 screen sizes should be ok. But I don't know if MSFT will do that.

    In terms of screen size, you can argue that low end could be in that 4.3" for the low end, mid range: 4.7 - 5.0", high end: 5.5" and 5.0" and a 6.0" + for the phablet. We will see if that makes sense for them as the components price.

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    11-11-2014 03:43 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I get that. I think for the agnostic like myself, the choice may be better. I would be open to a situation where Lumia is the flagship brand, but local folks like the Indian OEMs can make WP models to cater to those buyers. HTC is just too broke and Samsung is just to interested in not honoring old agreements to count on them right now. Sony is like HTC, LG is still tepid.

    To me it boils down to how fast MSFT handles the updates. As we've seen with Nokia, quality hardware can get wasted by constrained updates.

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    I don't mind localized brands, especially if they have a better stronghold than Lumia/Microsoft in their countries. I am American so I wouldn't know tbh :)

    However i'd love to see something akin to an Apple mindset or at the very least a Hybrid of Apple/Samsung.

    In the first half of the year release your Flagship(930 type devices) to compete against HTC and Samsung Android Models

    Use the Summer to release your Mid-range/Low end products

    And the Fall/Winter to release your phablets.

    Ideally: A perfect lineup of LUMIA

    930(Mainstream Flagship) with 1020(Niche)----First of the year

    Lumia 630 & 535 Summer

    Lumia 1520 and Lumia 830 as fall......

    That's exactly how I would've done it.


    I don't believe the Lumia brand is overrated but some phones do not make any sense to me. The 530 being highly irrelevant. Especially since the 535 is coming soon. People say Price wise the 530 serves its purpose but the 630 SHOULD be the 530 and the 535 should be the 630.

    The Lumia 730 is marketed as a Selfie phone...but it makes no real sense why the 830 lacks its High end FFC yet the 530 has it in it.

    The 730 and 830 should have been combined into ONE phone. Overrated? No but I do feel like it is a tad oversaturated.
    11-11-2014 04:44 PM
  17. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Nokia has always done this...that is what ended up getting them in trouble in the first place. The sense I get is that MSFT is still rolling out the rest of Nokia's final projects.

    I still may say the brand is overrated. From a hardware perspective, Lumia holds the edge over others in WP in cameras. Design HTC and Nokia are in the same range. Yes Nokia got apps and provided more onboard support, but they had to because that was the only OS they were using and MSFT was funneling all that cash. I'd like to think if MSFT had updated the OS quicker than it did and HTC go even a slice of the cash Nokia got, their offerings would be even more competitive.

    So for me...in some ways the brand was overrated. I used both Lumia and non Lumia devices and what I missed from Lumia wasn't that much software wise...but what I did miss was the camera.
    11-11-2014 07:21 PM
  18. jwinch2's Avatar
    The Nexus comparison with Google is a good one. If MS can use the Lumia line to push development and hardware, pilot the WP experience, etc., it would be a good thing. They are doing that with Surface, and the Lumia line can be the same thing for them. This presumes, of course, that they know where to take it and what to do with it, but its a good idea nonetheless.
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    11-11-2014 07:30 PM
  19. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    The Nexus comparison with Google is a good one. If MS can use the Lumia line to push development and hardware, pilot the WP experience, etc., it would be a good thing. They are doing that with Surface, and the Lumia line can be the same thing for them. This presumes, of course, that they know where to take it and what to do with it, but its a good idea nonetheless.
    The issue here is that MSFT hasn't showcased anything extra with the Lumia line so far. I know it is early going but I'm not sure if MSFT can clearly state at this point outside of reduced other OEM support to buy a Lumia because of xxx reasons...
    11-11-2014 11:16 PM
  20. jwinch2's Avatar
    The ink is barely dry on the merger. If that nexus model is indeed the goal, it isn't going to happen overnight. I want a new lumia flagship also, but it's going to take a while.
    11-11-2014 11:30 PM
  21. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    My two cents...

    I'd personally like to see the Lumia brand go the way of Nokia and I'd really like to see the numbering system go with it.

    There is nothing wrong having handsets to service different markets and maybe those handset should be specific to those markets and be very clear about it. Maybe give it a different brand name all together to differentiate.

    Saying that, there's no reason why they can't just make a specific line up of phones that should cover 80% of the market and let OEMs take care of the very low end specialized sectors.

    Now to get to the point.

    To a lot of people on this forum and possibly others, Lumia and even Nokia equated to WP. The main reason behind this is due to MS and Nokia having a close relationship and Nokia committing to making exclusively WP. I think this may have deterred other OEMs from making more WPs or better WPs. It may also stopped them from investing more in WP like Nokia did. To give an example of this, why is there no Software Recovery Tool for other OEMs? This should be a software available for all WPs as far as I'm concerned.

    MS wanted to create an OS that could be used on multiple OEMs, that was it's goal, similar to Windows OS. The tools to help all WP users should be the same as far as I'm concerned.

    Is the Lumia brand overrated? Yes. No Lumia phone really had a WOW factor, personally opinion. Lumias for the most part have been half hearted attempts. The only Lumia that had any potential to have WOW was the 1020. mostly due to the camera but it failed due to hardware and lack of SD card. The 1520 is big, has most of the things that should be in a flagship (aside from the latest CPU) but it's way too big for most consumers. Don't get me started on the L930...

    The Lumia's lack in many ways across all their phones. You can't please everyone, that we know, but a flagship phone should have everything and the kitchen sink these days. No WP has that.

    It's very obvious that the phones coming out are the remains of Nokia phones just re-branded. I'm hoping, for WP sake, that the new phones that MS brings out will be a lot more uniform, a lot more price competitive and a lot more WOW from a hardware and software point of view. That's what I want to see. I'd also like them to get the rest of the popular apps on the ecosystem with proper updates to the ones that already exist.

    Do that MS and I think you'll have a winner.
    11-12-2014 04:41 AM
  22. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    My two cents...

    I'd personally like to see the Lumia brand go the way of Nokia and I'd really like to see the numbering system go with it.

    There is nothing wrong having handsets to service different markets and maybe those handset should be specific to those markets and be very clear about it. Maybe give it a different brand name all together to differentiate.

    Saying that, there's no reason why they can't just make a specific line up of phones that should cover 80% of the market and let OEMs take care of the very low end specialized sectors.

    Now to get to the point.

    To a lot of people on this forum and possibly others, Lumia and even Nokia equated to WP. The main reason behind this is due to MS and Nokia having a close relationship and Nokia committing to making exclusively WP. I think this may have deterred other OEMs from making more WPs or better WPs. It may also stopped them from investing more in WP like Nokia did. To give an example of this, why is there no Software Recovery Tool for other OEMs? This should be a software available for all WPs as far as I'm concerned.

    MS wanted to create an OS that could be used on multiple OEMs, that was it's goal, similar to Windows OS. The tools to help all WP users should be the same as far as I'm concerned.

    Is the Lumia brand overrated? Yes. No Lumia phone really had a WOW factor, personally opinion. Lumias for the most part have been half hearted attempts. The only Lumia that had any potential to have WOW was the 1020. mostly due to the camera but it failed due to hardware and lack of SD card. The 1520 is big, has most of the things that should be in a flagship (aside from the latest CPU) but it's way too big for most consumers. Don't get me started on the L930...

    The Lumia's lack in many ways across all their phones. You can't please everyone, that we know, but a flagship phone should have everything and the kitchen sink these days. No WP has that.

    It's very obvious that the phones coming out are the remains of Nokia phones just re-branded. I'm hoping, for WP sake, that the new phones that MS brings out will be a lot more uniform, a lot more price competitive and a lot more WOW from a hardware and software point of view. That's what I want to see. I'd also like them to get the rest of the popular apps on the ecosystem with proper updates to the ones that already exist.

    Do that MS and I think you'll have a winner.
    Lmao let me get this straight. You want the Lumia brand to go away because the other OEMs are not trying because of Nokia? Lmao given how much money Samsung has, Samsung could have easily dominated both platforms they just chose not to.

    The wow factor of the lumia lied within their app exclusives. Unfortunately those have slimmed down and gone to the other windows phones(leaders as I call them). The 920, 925/928, 1020, 1520 and 930 are not half baked attempts. Buying a Lumia lets you know you're getting way better support than you'd get with an android based OEM. I'm sorry but this post was ridiculous. Lmao.

    These OEMs(Not Samsung) are fighting for scraps within Android....Companies like Moto, HTC, LG and sony. especially SONY and HTC.

    HTC has been within the Windows Phone game since way before Nokia and they had the opportunity to DOMINATE. They had excellent phones like the HD7, Titan, radar, surround, arrive, trophy and yet they did nothing to support it.

    They brought out the beautiful hardware of the 8x(arguably the best looking Windows phone in the original wp8 lineup) with beats integration....it was the SIGNATURE windows phone(this was before Lumia had even really started dominating). HTC did nothing.

    Samsung has all that money and their ATIV S was barely relevant. These OEMs had equal footing to do something with this OS and to bring their best. It took HTC 2 years to bring their best(an android rehash) and given Samsung vs Microsoft who knows if we ever will see their best.

    Blaming Nokia and microsoft's partnership over the last 2 years and saying it deterred others is ridiculous. Let's also not forget that WITHOUT that Nokia partnership, the many apps that we have now, we never would've gotten.

    That's one thing Anti-Lumia people seem to forget. It's not JUST the phones and their cameras....Nokia helped get these apps on Windows Phone. HTC nor Samsung didn't do that.

    There's a reason why the majority of the windows phone users don't care about HTC or Samsung. Look at Wc articles, the masses are waiting for NEW LUMIAS not new OEMs.
    Last edited by Superboy Micah; 11-12-2014 at 05:23 AM.
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  23. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Lmao let me get this straight. You want the Lumia brand to go away because the other OEMs are not trying because of Nokia? Lmao given how much money Samsung has, Samsung could have easily dominated both platforms they just chose not to.

    The wow factor of the lumia lied within their app exclusives. Unfortunately those have slimmed down and gone to the other windows phones(leaders as I call them). The 920, 925/928, 1020, 1520 and 930 are not half baked attempts. Buying a Lumia lets you know you're getting way better support than you'd get with an android based OEM. I'm sorry but this post was ridiculous. Lmao.
    Obviously you don't know how to read. I did not say that.

    I said the close relationship between MS and Nokia was a turn off for other OEMs. If you took the time to read properly you would have read that.

    I'm sorry you don't get where I'm coming from. All Lumia's lack something. None of them were outstanding. Whether you want to believe that or not.

    I don't see exclusive apps as a WOW factor. Sorry.

    As for support, depends what country you live.

    So my suggestion to you, learn to read before posting inane comments. Maybe I'd take you more seriously instead of trying to belittle my points.
    11-12-2014 05:25 AM
  24. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    I see you added more to your post after just simply ridiculing me.

    These OEMs(Not Samsung) are fighting for scraps within Android....Companies like Moto, HTC, LG and sony. especially SONY and HTC.
    All mobile sales are suffering aside from those wanting the new iPhone.

    HTC has been within the Windows Phone game since way before Nokia and they had the opportunity to DOMINATE. They had excellent phones like the HD7, Titan, radar, surround, arrive, trophy and yet they did nothing to support it.

    They brought out the beautiful hardware of the 8x(arguably the best looking Windows phone in the original wp8 lineup) with beats integration....it was the SIGNATURE windows phone(this was before Lumia had even really started dominating). HTC did nothing.
    We don't know what incentive they had to dominate and being a dual OS supplier they obviously felt more attention in a OS gaining popularity was better than sticking with an OS that seemed to be stagnate. Seems liked a good business decision at the time. They still make some of the best Android handsets.

    Samsung has all that money and their ATIV S was barely relevant. These OEMs had equal footing to do something with this OS and to bring their best. It took HTC 2 years to bring their best(an android rehash) and given Samsung vs Microsoft who knows if we ever will see their best.
    Why should Samsung or any other OEM invest money into an ecosystem that is flat. If you can explain that one to me then I'll listen.

    Blaming Nokia and microsoft's partnership over the last 2 years and saying it deterred others is ridiculous. Let's also not forget that WITHOUT that Nokia partnership, the many apps that we have now, we never would've gotten.
    The push for apps should have been MS, not Nokia. Having all the apps on WP should have been the goal. Having one with exclusives does nothing for the ecosystem.

    If you were an OEM and saw MS and Nokia working that close how would you interpret that?

    That's one thing Anti-Lumia people seem to forget. It's not JUST the phones and their cameras....Nokia helped get these apps on Windows Phone. HTC nor Samsung didn't do that.

    There's a reason why the majority of the windows phone users don't care about HTC or Samsung. Look at Wc articles, the masses are waiting for NEW LUMIAS not new OEMs.
    No one is anti-Lumia or anti-Nokia and the reason why there's so many Lumia's is because that was Nokia's business model. Always has been and probably was the downfall of their company aside from the slow moving R&D department.

    Look, I've been a Nokia user for years. I've been using a Lumia L920 for almost two years now. I've been on this site for almost that long. I am not against Lumia, Nokia or WP. I'm not a hater.

    I give criticism where it's due.

    The way MS has gone about things has been wrong. I don't want MS repeating Nokia's mistakes. The attractiveness of WP for other OEMs simply isn't there for them to care that much. Why should they? What incentive is there?

    As for Lumia as a brand. I think it's a good starting point but I don't think it says much about WP in my opinion. Lumia means nothing. It's just a name that's made up, most outside the WP ecosystem won't identify with it. So in my eyes a new name is needed. I do expect it to go eventually.
    11-12-2014 05:58 AM
  25. MSFTisMIA's Avatar
    Lmao let me get this straight. You want the Lumia brand to go away because the other OEMs are not trying because of Nokia? Lmao given how much money Samsung has, Samsung could have easily dominated both platforms they just chose not to.

    The wow factor of the lumia lied within their app exclusives. Unfortunately those have slimmed down and gone to the other windows phones(leaders as I call them). The 920, 925/928, 1020, 1520 and 930 are not half baked attempts. Buying a Lumia lets you know you're getting way better support than you'd get with an android based OEM. I'm sorry but this post was ridiculous. Lmao.

    These OEMs(Not Samsung) are fighting for scraps within Android....Companies like Moto, HTC, LG and sony. especially SONY and HTC.

    HTC has been within the Windows Phone game since way before Nokia and they had the opportunity to DOMINATE. They had excellent phones like the HD7, Titan, radar, surround, arrive, trophy and yet they did nothing to support it.

    They brought out the beautiful hardware of the 8x(arguably the best looking Windows phone in the original wp8 lineup) with beats integration....it was the SIGNATURE windows phone(this was before Lumia had even really started dominating). HTC did nothing.

    Samsung has all that money and their ATIV S was barely relevant. These OEMs had equal footing to do something with this OS and to bring their best. It took HTC 2 years to bring their best(an android rehash) and given Samsung vs Microsoft who knows if we ever will see their best.

    Blaming Nokia and microsoft's partnership over the last 2 years and saying it deterred others is ridiculous. Let's also not forget that WITHOUT that Nokia partnership, the many apps that we have now, we never would've gotten.

    That's one thing Anti-Lumia people seem to forget. It's not JUST the phones and their cameras....Nokia helped get these apps on Windows Phone. HTC nor Samsung didn't do that.

    There's a reason why the majority of the windows phone users don't care about HTC or Samsung. Look at Wc articles, the masses are waiting for NEW LUMIAS not new OEMs.
    I can argue that HTC has done what they've always done...build their phones to work good out of the box with minimal updates. It doesn't matter what platform -Android or WP - that's been their approach because, let's face it, they are strapped for cash. There are many, many good articles and threads that have discussed why HTC is where it is, so I won't flog a dead horse.

    I believe that the close relationship with Nokia did hurt the other OEMs just as much as the pace at which MSFT has been updating the OS itself. I get Samsung making money hand over fist being from Android not as willing to put money initially into WP, but from their Tizen development they are smart enough to see Android cannot be their sole cash cow. MSFT just flatly moved too slow with the OS. Personally, I like HTC building one chassis that can support either Android or WP. HTC wanted to do that a mile back, but MSFT took too long to add the supports into the OS itself.

    For all the good Nokia did to WP, their biggest weakness was at least in the US market was a ****ty relationship with the carriers. We still don't have a WP like the HTC One, LG G3 or Samsung Galaxy S or Note series...a phone you can walk into each carrier and buy. The closest thing we've gotten to that is...the HTC One for Windows, as it is now on AT&T, t-mo and Verizon. While the carriers may like MSFT a little bit better than Nokia, it isn't by a whole lot either.
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    11-12-2014 06:10 AM
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