I only would if they truly needed the specs but for most people I think the Lumia 830 is more than sufficient at a cheaper price and excellent hardware with an amazing promo going on at least here in the usI'd still recommend the One...even over the 830.
A. Amber brought
-Glance(A fan Favorite of all Lumia devices which is why they complain when a Lumia lacks this feature...I sort of see why after switching to the iPhones)
-Flip to mute
- Call Block/Sms Block(A very useful and built in feature I love with my Lumia)
-Lumia Color Profile
B. Black Brought
-Updated Glance Screen support(Again a Nokia fan favorite feature)
-Nokia bveamer(I don't use this app but it is obviously something for someone who does that didn't exist prior for WP)
-Nokia Storyteller App
-Folders Support(Before Windows Phone 8.1 had folders)
Camera Centric that did not presently exist with Windows Phone
- Nokia Refocus
- Nokia Camera App
-RAW DNG support
C. Cyan Brought
-Updated Creative Studio
-Updated Nokia Camera
-Updated Storyteller
-Nokia Device Hub
-Miracast Support
-Rich Recording
D. Denim Brings
-4k Video Support
Updated glance
- Hey Cortana( This feature has yet to be announced to coming to any Non Nokia windows phone)
-Rich Capture(I think the M8 windows has HDR already on it, but added onto to the power of Nokia cameras likely means it'll be even better with Lumias)
I only would if they truly needed the specs but for most people I think the Lumia 830 is more than sufficient at a cheaper price and excellent hardware with an amazing promo going on at least here in the us
Maybe I overreacted- I apologize. But when you sit down and think about it, the firmware updates aren't really placing the Lumias at a significant advantage. I trimmed down your list to what is actually relevant and tweaked it to reflect the fact that many of the firmware updates apply to specific phones- you can't really use them to make a case for lumia vs not lumia, since it's really specific devices vs specific devices.
A
- the One has an inferior competitor to glance, but still, it's there, and has a potential to be updated. Not all lumias have glance, and dotview is better than nothing.
- Flip to mute is a standard feature for HTC. It has been on the oldest HTC phones, it has been on their WP7 devices, and it is on this one.
-Call block and color profile: I don't know if the One has these. I played with a One at the MS store but did not think to look for that.
B
-You've named a bunch of nokia specific apps that aren't related to the firmware.
-RAW support on very few select lumia devices (if it's not just the 1020 and only the 1020 like I think it is...)
C
-You've named more apps unrelated to the firmware for some reason
-HTC One has miracast, most lumias don't.
D
-"Hey cortana" on very few specific lumias with supporting hardware.
-HTC One has the hardware required for "hey cortana", so this is literally the only thing HTC needs to implement in an update. Since my alternate choice, the 830, doesn't have the required hardware, I either get it or I don't on the One; I'll be content either way.
Updates are good, and Lumias certainly have regular updates. But how much you benefit from the updates greatly depends on what lumia you have. It's not all sunshine and roses like you seem to think it is. You'll also notice that the One actually has most of these features that the updates brought, so it's on par with whatever the newest Lumia is that has glance and can support "hey cortana" and miracast- I do not know if such a lumia even exists at this time.
I eventually settled on the One for these facts
-Capacitive buttons suck. They're terrible. The HTC One's onscreen solution is actually very nice- it's much better than capacitive buttons. I'd prefer all hardware buttons but HTC's implementations of onscreen buttons is very acceptable.
-Potential for "hey cortana"
-In the past, I've had the HTC Pure, HTC HD2, and HTC Titan. The build quality is amazing on each. My satisfaction with each was 100%, both software and hardware. I never got an update from HTC for any of those phones. I never expected an update. My experiences with the 820... well I love the thing to death, but between the abysmal battery life, the capacitive buttons and the just-OK build quality, I'd say I'm 90% satisfied with the 820. And when looking at the 830, well, not much is different. It's nearly the same device, and the updated hardware isn't that substantial. HTC One is one sexy device with great build quality, and it's got the killer hardware.
I guess I realized that, I was content without updates before. Under nokia, we got a few things (most of which the device really should have launched with) and suddenly we feel entitled to updates? No, that's bad logic. Any updates from HTC will be a pleasant surprise- I don't think feeling entitled to new features is a smart way to approach this. Meanwhile, the dev preview will still be giving me much more than the firmware updates have ever done, anyway. It is silly to place as much stock as you do in the firmware updates from nokia. They're nice. They're not deciding factors. Most of what nokia firmware has brought us was just nokia playing catch up with features that should have been there at launch.
Yeah I know that specs don't have a lot of effect on WP, but processing power DOES count in the browser, and have you been to windowscentral lately? They really need to go back and rework the comment voting system- the javascript is so dense it even performs terribly on PC! I avoid going to the website because I don't care about comments I just want to read the article, and it takes forever to process the crappy JS. The 820 is equivalent to a 920 in specs, and many news sites are designed just as poorly- bloated with crappy JS. I think for my first app I'll try to make a simple browser that disables JS... Until then, the extra power in the One will be appreciated, as I spend a lot of time in the browser.
Maybe I overreacted- I apologize. But when you sit down and think about it, the firmware updates aren't really placing the Lumias at a significant advantage. I trimmed down your list to what is actually relevant and tweaked it to reflect the fact that many of the firmware updates apply to specific phones- you can't really use them to make a case for lumia vs not lumia, since it's really specific devices vs specific devices.
A
- the One has an inferior competitor to glance, but still, it's there, and has a potential to be updated. Not all lumias have glance, and dotview is better than nothing.
- Flip to mute is a standard feature for HTC. It has been on the oldest HTC phones, it has been on their WP7 devices, and it is on this one.
-Call block and color profile: I don't know if the One has these. I played with a One at the MS store but did not think to look for that.
B
-You've named a bunch of nokia specific apps that aren't related to the firmware.
-RAW support on very few select lumia devices (if it's not just the 1020 and only the 1020 like I think it is...)
C
-You've named more apps unrelated to the firmware for some reason
-HTC One has miracast, most lumias don't.
D
-"Hey cortana" on very few specific lumias with supporting hardware.
-HTC One has the hardware required for "hey cortana", so this is literally the only thing HTC needs to implement in an update. Since my alternate choice, the 830, doesn't have the required hardware, I either get it or I don't on the One; I'll be content either way.
Updates are good, and Lumias certainly have regular updates. But how much you benefit from the updates greatly depends on what lumia you have. It's not all sunshine and roses like you seem to think it is. You'll also notice that the One actually has most of these features that the updates brought, so it's on par with whatever the newest Lumia is that has glance and can support "hey cortana" and miracast- I do not know if such a lumia even exists at this time.
I eventually settled on the One for these facts
-Capacitive buttons suck. They're terrible. The HTC One's onscreen solution is actually very nice- it's much better than capacitive buttons. I'd prefer all hardware buttons but HTC's implementations of onscreen buttons is very acceptable.
-Potential for "hey cortana"
-In the past, I've had the HTC Pure, HTC HD2, and HTC Titan. The build quality is amazing on each. My satisfaction with each was 100%, both software and hardware. I never got an update from HTC for any of those phones. I never expected an update. My experiences with the 820... well I love the thing to death, but between the abysmal battery life, the capacitive buttons and the just-OK build quality, I'd say I'm 90% satisfied with the 820. And when looking at the 830, well, not much is different. It's nearly the same device, and the updated hardware isn't that substantial. HTC One is one sexy device with great build quality, and it's got the killer hardware.
I guess I realized that, I was content without updates before. Under nokia, we got a few things (most of which the device really should have launched with) and suddenly we feel entitled to updates? No, that's bad logic. Any updates from HTC will be a pleasant surprise- I don't think feeling entitled to new features is a smart way to approach this. Meanwhile, the dev preview will still be giving me much more than the firmware updates have ever done, anyway. It is silly to place as much stock as you do in the firmware updates from nokia. They're nice. They're not deciding factors. Most of what nokia firmware has brought us was just nokia playing catch up with features that should have been there at launch.
Yeah I know that specs don't have a lot of effect on WP, but processing power DOES count in the browser, and have you been to windowscentral lately? They really need to go back and rework the comment voting system- the javascript is so dense it even performs terribly on PC! I avoid going to the website because I don't care about comments I just want to read the article, and it takes forever to process the crappy JS. The 820 is equivalent to a 920 in specs, and many news sites are designed just as poorly- bloated with crappy JS. I think for my first app I'll try to make a simple browser that disables JS... Until then, the extra power in the One will be appreciated, as I spend a lot of time in the browser.
Well said. The updates thing can be such a scam to sell more phones. I'd rather my phone have all it needs to work out of the box well, than to get a ton of updates to an average product to eventually make it really good.
If I still owned a HTC (they'll always be in my top 4 favorite brands), I would just simply like them to update their core apps a little more often. That's it. If they did that, you'd hear more silence from some of the blind Lumia worshipers out there...
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So on android hypothetically what wouldIf I we're to recommend a Windows Phone flagship, the M8 for Windows is a definite consideration.
But if I we're to recommend a flagship regardless of whatever OS, the M8 for Windows wouldn't be worthy, IMO, of much (if any) attention.
I'm not entirely sure about the Android side.So on android hypothetically what would
You recommend.
I'd probably recommend it on the android side. I'd likely own one if I could stomach using android lol.I'm not entirely sure about the Android side.
Well said. The updates thing can be such a scam to sell more phones. I'd rather my phone have all it needs to work out of the box well, than to get a ton of updates to an average product to eventually make it really good.
If I still owned a HTC (they'll always be in my top 4 favorite brands), I would just simply like them to update their core apps a little more often. That's it. If they did that, you'd hear more silence from some of the blind Lumia worshipers out there...
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And the fact that you call it silly I put stock in OFFICIAL updates over DP is laughable. That's when you can tell when someone is trying to rationalize purchasing a M8 over a Lumia...and doing a lot of reaching.
You're right, I put a lot of stock in the OFFICIAL UPDATE over DP simply because I like to know the software I am installing has been properly tested and optimized for my phone and that if I brick it with an ofifical update it is not my fault. I can't exactly send my 1520 back to Att with DP and say "AN update screwed my phone up". Let's see how far I get with that lol.
SO yeah Official updates & having a phone that will get them > a phone running DP.
It's fine, we all get worked up over phones sometimes No hard feelings.
In regards to your post while you are fully entitled to your opinion(and I accept it as different), I do find one issue I directly have to call out. It has nothing to do with entitlement. If I were an 8x owner(And originally I was an 8x owner prior to Lumia), I'd be extremely annoyed that we're at 7-8 months and I still have yet to see an official Windows Phone 8.1 update.
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When you say entitled, it sounds like you're saying that we should just be happy with the phone having Windows Phone 8. And that is true.....for when Windows Phone 8 was relevant. However when we buy this phone, We're not buying it JUST for the proper support, we're buying it because we expect these OEMs to support this device with updates and fixes over the span of the warranty at least or a year or two.
Comparing a Lumia 820 of yesteryear 2012 to the m8 windows of 2014 is highly unfair. For starters, the battery life IS much bigger on a M8. I'd hope battery life is better and the build quality was better lol. That argument is a bit flawed. Had you compared an Icon/930 to the M8 windows, I could see something(and even then I still think Icon/930 hardware is awesome...which the 1520 was built that way). But not a 2 year old MID-range phone vs a High End phone.
Using a phrase like "I settled on the One" does not bode well for One M8 fans as it seems many people are settling simply because of a lack of a lumia flagship(Which saddens me).
I prefer the capacitive buttons. I get my FULL REAL ESTATE. I've never had any issues with Capacitive. While I wouldn't mind onscreen, I'd greatly prefer they keep Capacitive.
I don't know for certain, but I was unable to find any reports of the 8x not supporting the developer preview. The current version of the dev preview contains the current release of 8.1. The potential for 8.1 on the 8x is realized.-Potential for Hey Cortana.....The 8x has the potential for Windows Phone 8.1. Let's see if they get it and even if they do get it, let's not hold out hope for windows 10. LOL I don't worry about Potential since my phone was already announced for it coming out for it
I chose Lumia for
-App Support at the time.....I originally had the 8x and I realized JUST how much better Nokias were. I loved the 8x design hated HTC support. I've enjoyed the best windows phone experience the last 2 years and had I stayed with HTC, I likely wouldn't be the big WP ****** I am. A pretty phone with poor support. But hey at least(like the M8) it's pretty. *eyeroll* lol.
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-Lumia Apps(Shame we lost Here maps to the other lesser WP but throw some people a bone I say)
Regarding the potential bugginess of the dev preview- considering that the dev preview does in fact release the exact same "final version" that is sent to carriers, if an "official" update fixed an issue you had in the dev preview, hands down it was almost certainly an issue in the install process or conflicting setting that could have been fixed with a reflash+hardreset combo. Moreover, people with issues with the dev preview are a vocal minority- chances of something going wrong in the first place aren't that great, and official updates are just as susceptible to bugs in the installation process and under the hood setting conflicts. The developer preview is in fact well tested before it gets sent out to us. The developer preview is not any less reliable than official updates. I'm not reaching.
Well, allow me to make a distinction. I think we are entitled to OS updates (within reason). I've heard the argument that you are only entitled to what the phone came out of the box with, but I disagree with that in this day and age. As long as I have access to the developer preview, I will have those updates. I do not think we are entitled to firmware updates though- not unless the device would be crippled without it.
I compared the 820 to the HTC One and the 830 simply because I am not interested in any other existing Lumia devices. I narrowed my choices down to the 830 and HTC One, and so I must compare the two against my current phone. No it's not fair, but there also wasn't much of a selection to choose from either.
Yes, the HTC One has a lot of downsides (see my first post in this thread!) and I was initially VERY concerned with leaving Nokia because of their awesome support. I still am a little wary of leaving. But I very carefully looked at what I got from the updates, what the One ships with, and how much it would actually impact me personally to not get the remaining updates. I came out of my research knowing near exactly what I will be giving up, and it allowed me to make an informed decision. Had there been more new Lumias to choose from, I might never had considered HTC in a fair light and would still be devotedly singing praises for Nokia. But this is not a new problem for Nokia. The reason I got the 820 is because I wanted an SD card and not a huge phone (and removable batteries are great). The 820 has a lot of shortcomings, but two years ago, Nokia still didn't have a great selection of devices so I had to settle for the 820. Nor did they ever have a great selection in all the time they've been on WP. Nokia's has ALWAYS been unable to pump out varied selections of devices- no carrier can do that all by themselves!
Yeah capacitive buttons work, and when you get used to them they aren't an issue (except at night when you can't turn off the damn lights), but they are an inferior implementation nonetheless. What do you mean by real estate? Arguably the onscreen buttons give you more screen real estate, since the buttons can be minimized at any time and the screen will fill where they were. Here's a picture of the buttons hidden. http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/htc-one-m8-windowsphone-640x439.jpg
Also arguably, HW buttons take up less screen real estate than capacitive buttons, because they can be (and usually are) narrow and rectangular, whereas capacitive are square. Here's the HD2, lord of all phones. http://cdn1.sbnation.com/products/large/163/done-htc-hd2.jpg?1311041520 Bless the Maker and all His Water. Bless the coming and going of HD2, May HD2's passing cleanse the world.
I don't know for certain, but I was unable to find any reports of the 8x not supporting the developer preview. The current version of the dev preview contains the current release of 8.1. The potential for 8.1 on the 8x is realized.
Yeah leaving nokia means I give up living images (the only thing I really cared about), maybe storyteller. But when I thought about that too, they are rather gimmicky. Living images works on WP and only on WP right? Exporting the pictures to PC, they will be static, non moving. I don't exclusively view pictures on my phone. Without support for these features on other platforms, as they are now they are a gimmick. Without support on PC or elsewhere they cannot be anything but momentary amusement.
I don't use any other nokia apps though so I'm not too sorry to not have them.
That said, given that nokia's apps are as good as they are and other OEMs don't offer as many quality apps, and now that nokia is a part of microsoft, Nokia's apps really shouldn't be restricted to lumia phones. We want people to join the platform, and not everyone wants a lumia. I want to see the WP platform grow, and the fragmenting of quality apps isn't helping.
Eh, if we had a healthy selection of OEM phones, and a healthy pool of apps, I'd agree- nokia should keep their apps to themselves.
When companies compete with exclusive services, the customer loses. When we have an extremely small market that needs to expand and there's one company with a monopoly on the market and that company gives exclusive services- the market loses, because the company with a monopoly is preventing expansion. It's not sustainable. We need WP to grow and be adopted by other OEMs, we need to give them a chance to compete. Then Nokia can have as many exclusive apps as they want. Until that time, their exclusive apps hurts themselves, the customers, and the whole WP economy.
Besides, a bunch of Nokia's many camera apps require pureview hardware anyway so they'll still have that. And sensorcore. and glance. and so on.
LMAO the update thing is a scam to sell more phones? And you then end your paragraph with "Blind Lumia Worshippers".
Oh my.
The updates don't make my phone work better...they had more amazing features to an already amazing phone and Windows Phone experience lol.
I am not blind. I can acknowledge the One m8 is a beautiful device.
But I am also not na?ve to sit here and call it the best. Build Quality is highly subjective(I prefer Lumia but I wouldn't necessarily oppose HTC).
Aside from an IR blaster(irrelevant to most) and the FF speakers, there is really nothing I am missing on my 1520 that the M8 has however switching to a M8 would mean I am losing quite a bit of apps I use regularly with Nokia and a much weaker and anemic camera. But hey at least its fast
Lumia Worshippers? No. We simply chose the best and if your preferred OEM actually would've held on to the lead they had in the Windows Mobile days that people love to keep referencing and Early WP7 days, they wouldn't be thought of as inferior and irrelevant That's HTC fault for the reputation they have. It's time to stop making excuses for them lol.
Even D. Rubino acknowledges while the hardware is great, the support behind HTC is questionable and concerning. I've seen it before in the Lumia 830 vs Htc one articles