12-08-2014 06:07 PM
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  1. Jorge Holguin's Avatar
    Here are my two cents. First of all the iPhone was a game changer and Apple cultivated people's mind and give third parties developer software and hardware wise a big way to make money. No other platform has done that. Apple made easy for developers. MS on the other hand had made lots of mistakes and still keep making them. For example WP 7 wasn't as easy to develop as Android or iOS, lets remember that WP 7 was above 10% but the lack of good updates and apps made people leave. 2011-12-13 & 14 are gone and although MS has brought lots of features it wasn't enough. Now 2015 is the golden opportunity and it has to work.
    12-05-2014 02:29 AM
  2. thesachd's Avatar
    The thing about iPhone was that it was a revolutionary concept along with tons of improvements built upon the mistakes and ideas of other companies.

    The inherent flaw with Windows Phone was that it has nearly all of the limitations of iOS, but none of the optimisation or app support to make up for it.

    The control iOS has over hardware and software allows it to have arguably best software experience on mobile.

    I recently heard that Apple was rejecting applications if they weren't optimised for the latest iPad and iPhones.

    Also another fact to consider that iPhones are expensive and people who buy iPhones are more likely to purchase applications. Most of Windows Phone users are those that own a Lumia 520(or some other budget device) and add to that Windows Phone only has 2.7% of global marketshare, so that kills most incentive to create apps.

    Even OEMs haven't been able to improve Microsoft's situation. Most OEMs don't show interest in the platform either, it honestly looks like OEMs create Windows Phones just for the sake of creating one, not because they think that their Windows Phones sell we'll.

    Microsoft on it's own can't do what Apple did, and OEMs(apart from what used to be Nokia) don't help a lot either. What Microsoft needs right now are miracles.

    But it seems even Microsoft itself is slowly losing hope in Windows Phone, often porting their services to competing platforms and having better versions of it as we'll: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/artic...indows-phone-8
    felixl87, N_LaRUE, Dazzi and 1 others like this.
    12-05-2014 02:30 AM
  3. winrayjay99's Avatar
    Recently Huawei has said that it doesn't have any plans of making new windows phone devices which is now the news on every website, just a simple google search of "windows phone" returns with only that Huawei story, but if apple has made it alone since the first iphone, I don't think Microsoft should be afraid at all, it has the best phone manufacturing plants,it shouldn't be begging over new manufacturers, it should now concentrate on windows phone and the hardware division.
    Microsoft has my backup! Am not going anywhere! Even if I rant sometimes that am sick and tired, I still find windows phone to be a better OS than there has ever been!, I was here when instagram arrived and I will be here when candy crush debuts!, let the devs whine, let manufacturers whine, time will come, they will have to give up!

    We can blame Microsoft all we want for this, but it is not all there fault. Look at companies like Google who will put all the same app's they have on Android, on Iphone, and even Blackberry before they went under. But when it comes to windows Google has only a search app. Google has said it's Marketshare. But we Windows users know its utter bullsh--. There has to be a reason Google is holding back apps. I think it has to do with the licensing fee's Microsoft is trying to get from manufacturers for Android. Google is trying to smack Microsoft in the face by holding back apps like YouTube. I mean you have to go third party for any good Google windows apps. I mean Microsoft's Youtube app is Just a crummy webapp because Google was whining about how they wanted it to run. After that situation, and the changes they made to GoogleVoice to make it so third party Developers could not make apps (yes there is no Google Voice on windows over this), we have not heard one word from mountain view about Google apps on Windows. I mean Google is not the only one at fault lots of companies have this problem. I mean look what happened to Rudy Huyn and his situation with 6cret. Secret.ly Shut his app down but will not make an official one. I can name other Companies, E.T.C. That have not or will not make apps for windows. I think windows Central needs to get to the bottom of why mainly Google is holding back apps from windows. I'm tired of hearing Silence from them on the issue, or Microsoft needs to sit down with google and hash out a deal to get apps even if it means dropping android licensing deals with Oem's (Microsoft can just make money from Surface, Lumia, and Xbox sales anyway). This unfair treatment of Windows Users by app Developers is just plane wrong. Quit telling us to visit your Mobile site and make us a Windows app!!!!!!!!!!!!
    12-05-2014 03:19 AM
  4. UncleGrandpa's Avatar
    Apple did it right. One name...iPhone. Its instantly recognizable everywhere on the planet. Yes, there are variations, but they didn't muddy the waters. Lumia multi numbered system is the worst example of how not to do it and yet MS is keeping with that losing tradition. Make two freakin phones...Lumia and Lumia plus. Done.
    TLRtheory, Dk92, nohra and 1 others like this.
    12-05-2014 04:55 AM
  5. TLRtheory's Avatar
    The "All Seeing Eye" might not be a very good example of it... but the point that a name works better than a number is there (I'd opt for something like the Lumia PowerShot or Lumia Pixel Perfect if we're talking about how the Lumia 1020 could've been named better).

    I think the Lumia Icon has the sexiest name of the bunch. I'd experiment with some more non-numbered phones with the launch of 10.

    Plus, numbers don't seem to have hurt the HTC One M8 series.
    That's because their usage of numbering isn't as abrasive. "HTC One"... that's what people know it as, and it was able to become somewhat iconic simply through that. It's simple enough such that the common consumer can even ignore the M7/M8 and just ask for the HTC One (as they typically do).

    Lumia Icon was the closest they've come to understanding how this game works..
    but of course (in typical fashion) they botched it with carrier exclusivity and a total lack of publication.
    12-05-2014 05:29 AM
  6. someone2639's Avatar
    The "All Seeing Eye" might not be a very good example of it... but the point that a name works better than a number is there (I'd opt for something like the Lumia PowerShot or Lumia Pixel Perfect if we're talking about how the Lumia 1020 could've been named better).


    That's because their usage of numbering isn't as abrasive. "HTC One"... that's what people know it as, and it was able to become somewhat iconic simply through that. It's simple enough such that the common consumer can even ignore the M7/M8 and just ask for the HTC One (as they typically do).

    Lumia Icon was the closest they've come to understanding how this game works..
    but of course (in typical fashion) they botched it with carrier exclusivity and a total lack of publication.
    Well, if MS won't stop the numbering, then maybe they should put the name before the number. And, as always, a list:

    Lumia Starter 520
    Lumia Selfie Jr. 535
    Lumia Super Starter 635
    Lumia Selfie 730
    Lumia Intermediate 830
    Lumia Expert 930
    Lumia PowerShot 1020 (to appease you)
    Lumia MagnaScreen 1520.
    12-05-2014 06:12 AM
  7. thesachd's Avatar
    Apple did it right. One name...iPhone. Its instantly recognizable everywhere on the planet. Yes, there are variations, but they didn't muddy the waters. Lumia multi numbered system is the worst example of how not to do it and yet MS is keeping with that losing tradition. Make two freakin phones...Lumia and Lumia plus. Done.
    That will most definitely kill most consumers that Windows Phone has.

    I suppose you mean that Microsoft creates two devices, both high end, like iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, one with a phablet screen and one with a regular screen size but both having identical specifications running the same version of Windows Phone.

    We'll both phones would cost more than $650 then, and unless you haven't noticed most people aren't extremely willing to pay more than $200 for a Windows Phone, the low end side is the only place where WP is succeeding*.

    And with no low end devices anymore, a Lumia and Lumia Plus would maybe drop Windows Phone market share to about 0.5%(give or take).
    xandros9 likes this.
    12-05-2014 06:28 AM
  8. sanjeet_deshwal's Avatar
    Well, if MS won't stop the numbering, then maybe they should put the name before the number. And, as always, a list:

    Lumia Starter 520
    Lumia Selfie Jr. 535
    Lumia Super Starter 635
    Lumia Selfie 730
    Lumia Intermediate 830
    Lumia Expert 930
    Lumia PowerShot 1020 (to appease you)
    Lumia MagnaScreen 1520.
    And they can also try some comical names

    Lumia Flash
    Lumia superman
    Lumia venom
    Lumia batman
    Lumia hulk
    And more blah blah.. ๐Ÿ˜
    I know it's not practical ๐Ÿ˜œ
    it is better to stick with number instead of going with fancy names and focus on hardware and app's quality.
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    12-05-2014 07:00 AM
  9. psoham777's Avatar
    And they can also try some comical names

    Lumia Flash
    Lumia superman
    Lumia venom
    Lumia batman
    Lumia hulk
    And more blah blah.. ๐Ÿ˜
    I know it's not practical ๐Ÿ˜œ
    it is better to stick with number instead of going with fancy names and focus on hardware and app's quality.

    Yeah numbering is better than giving names. Say tomorrow there's a strong possibility that Samsung might come up with phones like Samsung universe(successor of galaxy) or earth, sun etc. Numbers are always better! Only those would get confused if he's not a WP user, otherwise everyone is quite acquainted with it.
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    12-05-2014 07:08 AM
  10. thesachd's Avatar
    And they can also try some comical names

    Lumia Flash
    Lumia superman
    Lumia venom
    Lumia batman
    Lumia hulk
    And more blah blah.. ๐Ÿ˜
    I know it's not practical ๐Ÿ˜œ
    it is better to stick with number instead of going with fancy names and focus on hardware and app's quality.
    We'll the possibility of naming phones after comics is nearly impossible, given how much it would cost(if it we're even possible).

    You are saying that Microsoft should focus on hardware and app quality. We'll since they don't make most of the hardware themselves, or assign manufacturers to make it and app quality isn't their main priority. Giving their phones a better naming scheme would be nice.
    12-05-2014 07:38 AM
  11. thesachd's Avatar
    Only those would get confused if he's not a WP user, otherwise everyone is quite acquainted with it.
    So you mean to say only people that aren't Windows Phone users will be confused?

    That would mean globally over 95% of people(that own smartphones) would be confused with the naming scheme of Microsoft's Windows Phone provided they even knew it existed.

    I like numbers as naming schemes a lot too, but sometimes it is just pushing it.

    The Lumia 520, 620, 720, 820, 920, 1020 and 1520(some variant we're in between) was completely fine.

    Much like how HTC One was fine. But the M8 is killing the name a bit, and an M9 would be a bit too much.

    But as far as Windows Phones go, it's gotten way more confusing with tons of numbered smart phones doing one thing better than another.
    12-05-2014 07:42 AM
  12. PetrFodor's Avatar
    Agree with TGP, hardware is good but what MS lacks is the entire ecosystem. Apps, cross-device functions, developers community, media support and innovative drive. The market deserves the third strong player but it will be difficult for MS.
    12-05-2014 07:52 AM
  13. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Recently Huawei has said that it doesn't have any plans of making new windows phone devices which is now the news on every website, just a simple google search of "windows phone" returns with only that Huawei story, but if apple has made it alone since the first iphone, I don't think Microsoft should be afraid at all, it has the best phone manufacturing plants,it shouldn't be begging over new manufacturers, it should now concentrate on windows phone and the hardware division.
    Microsoft has my backup! Am not going anywhere! Even if I rant sometimes that am sick and tired, I still find windows phone to be a better OS than there has ever been!, I was here when instagram arrived and I will be here when candy crush debuts!, let the devs whine, let manufacturers whine, time will come, they will have to give up!
    Foxconn make the Apple handsets. I think Sharp supply the screens.
    12-05-2014 08:26 AM
  14. realwarder's Avatar
    There is nothing wrong with Lumia. It is synonymous with Galaxy which works just fine.

    Microsoft want people to want a Lumia. When they get in the store the people should be able to help choose the appropriate price/feature Lumia. That is where the failure is - stores NOT having choice and stores being untrained. The name is just fine.
    12-05-2014 08:28 AM
  15. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    Agree with TGP, hardware is good but what MS lacks is the entire ecosystem. Apps, cross-device functions, developers community, media support and innovative drive. The market deserves the third strong player but it will be difficult for MS.
    I think it's coming, already I can play the same games on my Windows Phone and PC with the actual game staying constant between the devices. An example of this is Age of Empires Castle Seige. Unification will be very good for Microsoft.
    12-05-2014 08:28 AM
  16. Soulstream's Avatar
    Well apple is the only one in the modern phone market to actually succeed on that front. Google with Android went for a different approach by allowing OEMs to put their own touch on Android. While the same OS, you get different feelings when using Samsung devices from HTC devices from LG devices from Motorola devices.

    Blackberry is also not doing very good with it's own OS. Microsoft tried to be Apple (tight control over the OS), but also Google (allow others to use the OS). I think the fault of Microsoft (and this also applies to Blackberry) is that they came a little too late to the party.
    12-05-2014 08:32 AM
  17. thesachd's Avatar
    Foxconn make the Apple handsets. I think Sharp supply the screens.
    And Samsung and TSMC makes the chips, Sony makes the cameras.

    But that isn't the point, many of the designs are Apple's own but they need help of other companies to make them come to life.

    It's equivalent to making a drawing and getting it printed or photocopied, the idea is still yours but others are helping you with creating more of it.
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    12-05-2014 08:37 AM
  18. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    "Introducing the Lumia 1030" I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT! I'll call it the Lumia Sauron Edition, the camera is the Eye of Sauron and it watches everything! With Windows 10, it has the one OS to rule them all!
    12-05-2014 08:44 AM
  19. nohra's Avatar
    I don't think the issue is creative device names. (I probably wouldn't carry an "All-Seeing-Eye" just because of that name, actually.) Sure, brand recognition as a whole, maybe. But pretty much everyone who would ever buy a smartphone anyways knows the name Windows Phone, and those that don't still probably know Lumia (and there we go, Lumia = Galaxy). Although, I get the occasional, "Wait Lumias aren't Android?" but that's usually followed by the "I thought anything that wasn't an iPhone was Android."
    In the US, though, Microsoft is nowhere near that level of consumer awareness of Windows Phone or Lumia that you mention. I think most Americans are of the "anything not iPhone is Android" mindset, and haven't heard of Windows Phone or Lumia, and certainly wouldn't think that Lumia is the same kind of product as a Galaxy. But advertising for WP in the US has always been very low. A commercial here and there, but no where near the exposure that the Surface gets. Microsoft really needs to do something like that for the Lumia line: sponsor something big, sports related maybe, where they can plaster the Lumia name and windows logo everywhere, and you get a WP commercial during every break. Name recognition for Lumia and Windows Phone is still dreadfully low for something that's been out several years and had multiple improvements (7, 8, 8.1).
    12-05-2014 10:03 AM
  20. techiez's Avatar
    So a simple name would muck it up, but all of the different numbers don't? The average consumer is confused by the numbers. They like simple. Whether you believe it or not, the numbers are not simple and easy to remember for the average consumer.
    Nokia had 10s n 100s of devices with such numbering, and no consumers were not confused and Nokia sold millions of those devices once.
    12-05-2014 12:06 PM
  21. Jose_Rey's Avatar
    If Microsoft equaled Nokia when I came to Windows Phone(2011) I wouldn't have given it a chance. I think in that year alone I went thru like 4 phones, until I found a WP and have been... for the most part pretty happy with it.
    12-05-2014 12:32 PM
  22. EBUK's Avatar
    it's like your PC BUT ON YOUR PHONE!
    That's exactly what I don't want: A buggy, hard to use, unintuitive experience with weekly updates to patch all the security holes.
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    12-05-2014 12:51 PM
  23. EBUK's Avatar
    I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CALL IT!

    Lumia Bhopal
    Lumia Exxon Valdez
    Lumia Chernobyl
    Lumia Hiroshima

    A name can say a lot....

    Lumia is a great name. A simple naming scheme, differentiated between entry level, mid level, and top of the range. For the first generation of Microsoft Lumias I suggest:

    Entry level: Lumia 1 Mini
    Mid Level: Lumia 1
    High End: Lumia 1 Plus

    Dual SIM versions could simply have a + siffix.
    12-05-2014 12:59 PM
  24. Steve Adams's Avatar
    So the high end would be the Lumia 1 plus +? That would screw peoples minds for sure. They need to pump a lot into marketing, make people want it, almost like the Hi im a pc and im a mac ads but not so juvenile like apples were. Wow, I sense a theme in apple. Child like and juvenile. Do it on a professional level. Get some good spokes people and make some good ads. Next would be education sessions for the carrier employees. And toss incentives in for good salespeople of windows phone products. I know Microsoft has some scratch to do that. Like top seller in each region gets a free phone. or something. it's simple to get the product marketed better. Just MS does not do it. Also, Make the professional series of phone the surface phone to match the surface tablets.
    12-05-2014 01:16 PM
  25. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    Because unlike Apple, the tech media and mass media don't kiss Microsoft's ****, every time they release a new device. They actually don't even notice or block it from their minds.

    edit: seriously, "that" word was censored?! what if I had wrote it the way I originally thought it!
    Use the UK variant, RM-arse instead.
    12-05-2014 03:04 PM
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