If apple can do it alone, why not Microsoft Lumia?

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Samsung Galaxy Light
Galaxy Core
Galaxy Alpha
Galaxy S5
Galaxy Pocket Neo
Galaxy ...

Perhaps a hybrid, but I still hold numbers and something that can be quantified as opposed to names, which don't seem to really say too much about the phone. Although maybe the S conveys high end (despite S Mini's being midrange)
Whether you believe it or not, numbers are easy to place in a lineup and make sense.

Although some streamlining is something I won't mind at all. (and maybe even pruning the lineup a bit)

You've just made the case against MSFT terrible naming scheme. I am willing to bet that every single on of those phones you've mentioned has a user base higher than the entirety of Windows Phone.

MSFT marketing of WP is just TERRIBLE. I have no idea what the flagship is named or when it came out. I have the 635 yet the 620 has better specs and was released earlier breaking any internal logic of higher numbers equals better spec'ced phone. This unappealing naming scheme has got to go.

No one buys phones to do work on them. Not one consumer gives a flip about having Office on a tiny 4in washed-out screen, people want to play games, take and share pics and goof around on the myriad of social networks out there. Office is something you HAVE to use when your at work, why associated WP with that unpleasantness???

Carrier exclusives, an inferior OS and ecosystem are not helping things either.
 

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I think the Lumia Icon has the sexiest name of the bunch. I'd experiment with some more non-numbered phones with the launch of 10.

Plus, numbers don't seem to have hurt the HTC One M8 series.

Oh, yes it has! HTC is in very serious danger of going bankrupt. The HTC One released a few years ago was designed to stop the hemorrhaging but it failed; that company has been in trouble for a loooong time.
 

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Lumia 1 Max + instead of Plus +, perhaps...

As for sales incentives, ssometing better than a free phone for the top performing salesperson would be needed. A holiday to someplace exotic would be a greater incentive.
 

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Over the top? Those sales reps probably have incentives from the other companies. A new phone for someone who works in a phone shop and already gets a discount? That's not an incentive.
 

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Microsoft has a bad reputation amongst a LOT of people.
Depends where you live I guess. Definetely not in my country.
IMHO The left picture is more like Google 2013/2014. The right like Apple. Not to be trusted and their customers are sucked in. I could just barely escape, but I'm safe now :) Microsoft in between pictures and looking a lot smarter since 2013/2014. The Microsoft brand value has also been rising into top rankings.
So. You need a 3rd picture :)
 

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There are many reasons I can use to answer this question:

1. Microsoft doesn't have the blind following of Apple, who sold millions of devices while skimping on the newest tech features for years, like NFC, LTE, HD displays, and decently sized devices. Microsoft's legion of ****** sheep is significantly smaller than Apple's.

2. Microsoft is, thus far, a terrible hardware manufacturer. They don't have a flagship device on the market, and there might not be one within their first 12 months of operation. They haven't released a Lumia 920 replacement for AT&T users in more than 2 years, and the expectation has now gotten to the point that they might not within the next 6 months, to boot. It's hard to compete with Apple's high-end devices when the BEST you can do is a pathetic Snapdragon 400-packing device that heavily straddles the line of mid-range and budget devices (low-end SoC, mid-range display, mid-range camera, good OIS, pseudo-abandoned OS).

Microsoft's fans aren't brainless, and Microsoft is being lazy. They will likely have to go it alone to succeed (given that the other WP OEMs are Android re-hashers like HTC and low-end device makers like Blu and Yezz), but until they decide to actually make a high-end device, their relative going it alone (as opposed to Android's inclusion of Samsung, Sony, LG, and any other company who can produce an ARM device) is going to fail. Their hardware at the "top" (I put that in quotes because the 830 doesn't have high-end parts, but is their undeserving flagship) is horrid, and they still can't find a way to get developers on-board in a timely fashion with many new apps.
 

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I forgot some entries in my Lumia naming:
Lumia SimpleTab 2520
Lumia MagnaScreen Jr. 1320
Nokia WorldStarter 130
Nokia Asha (the only named Nokia/Lumia)

Wow, those are kind of a mess. "MagnaScreen?" No one's going to get what's going on there, and then having a version called "Jr." offers nothing, and has people just as confused as to where the 1320 fits as they are now. Basically, instead of trying to pick a new set of branding, they need to put together a consistent one and have a release schedule that is annually consistent, so people know what to expect each year. When you have one-offs like the 1320 and 1020, then unnecessary re-hashes with rebranding like the 525, 735, 810, 822, 925, and 928, you start losing people. They need to get a single device (maybe 2 variants, if the carriers won't play nicely with making a universally functional device), and it needs to have a consistent style and name across all carriers (looking at you: Lumia 822).
 

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Wow, those are kind of a mess. "MagnaScreen?" No one's going to get what's going on there, and then having a version called "Jr." offers nothing, and has people just as confused as to where the 1320 fits as they are now. Basically, instead of trying to pick a new set of branding, they need to put together a consistent one and have a release schedule that is annually consistent, so people know what to expect each year. When you have one-offs like the 1320 and 1020, then unnecessary re-hashes with rebranding like the 525, 735, 810, 822, 925, and 928, you start losing people. They need to get a single device (maybe 2 variants, if the carriers won't play nicely with making a universally functional device), and it needs to have a consistent style and name across all carriers (looking at you: Lumia 822).

Well, I tried.
 

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It's funny how we are arguing about how Apple may have gotten the naming scheme right and why Microsoft should do the same, which would magically result in sales increase.

We'll it ain't that easy, Apple has gotten a hell lot else right and arguing about the name only isn't logical.
 

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It's funny how we are arguing about how Apple may have gotten the naming scheme right and why Microsoft should do the same, which would magically result in sales increase.

We'll it ain't that easy, Apple has gotten a hell lot else right and arguing about the name only isn't logical.

AGREE - when Apple released the iPhone, it was all over the place & continues to be heavily marketed. MS needs to dispel the false info about Windows Phone & demo the phone in their marketing campaign. They need a gee wiz feature to hi-lite in ads, make WinPhone a must have. (though it's NOT that simple)

As far as names, find monikers for 3 levels of device (Premiere for hi-end, etc), then when Windows 10 (for phones) drops, release the Lumia Premiere (subsequent models could have years, kinda like cars) a suitable hi-end device, as well as mid-range & budget devices.

I still kinda like Alledan for a model name (mid-range ??), has a certain cachet, it's Satya Nadella's last name backwards.
 
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Continuing on my idea, here's an updated list, which shows current models in my new scheme:

Lumia starter 3c (535)
Lumia Starter pro 3c (635)
Lumia selfie 3c (735)
Lumia 3 (830) (go with simple for the flagship high end)
Lumia pro 3 (930)
Lumia PowerShot (from before) 2 (1020)
Lumia MagnaScreen (BIG screen) 2 (1320)
Lumia MagnaScreen pro 2 (1520)
Lumia Tab 2 (2520)
Surface 2
Surface pro 3
 

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Continuing on my idea, here's an updated list, which shows current models in my new scheme:

Lumia starter 3c (535)
Lumia Starter pro 3c (635)
Lumia selfie 3c (735)
Lumia 3 (830) (go with simple for the flagship high end)
Lumia pro 3 (930)
Lumia PowerShot (from before) 2 (1020)
Lumia MagnaScreen (BIG screen) 2 (1320)
Lumia MagnaScreen pro 2 (1520)
Lumia Tab 2 (2520)
Surface 2
Surface pro 3
How about
Lumia one(flagship)
Lumia one mini(mid-range)
Lumia one micro(low-end)
3 different phones carrying the same name,the current naming scheme is a big mess, it makes people think that bigger numbers mean higher model which is completely wrong cause my 820 is way better than the 900, they should make 3 different phones, having the same name,but differ in hardware, that is way easy to remember.
 

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I'm on psoham77 with the naming scheme, but with a few tweaks.

They should retain names with numbers.

Maybe a Lumia 5, Lumia 6, 7, 8, 9.

And a 0.5 is added to the name if it has some special feature (such as more RAM or dual SIM).

And some special names are selected for flagship devices, such as Lumia Crystal, or Lumia Selfie depending on what the phone has to offer.

Could we finally put an end to the naming argument and talk about something else Microsoft could use from Apple to increase sales?
 

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Well, I tried.

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Continuing on my idea, here's an updated list, which shows current models in my new scheme:

Lumia starter 3c (535)
Lumia Starter pro 3c (635)
Lumia selfie 3c (735)
Lumia 3 (830) (go with simple for the flagship high end)
Lumia pro 3 (930)
Lumia PowerShot (from before) 2 (1020)
Lumia MagnaScreen (BIG screen) 2 (1320)
Lumia MagnaScreen pro 2 (1520)
Lumia Tab 2 (2520)
Surface 2
Surface pro 3

Honestly I think that's even worse and more complicated than as they are now.
 

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Here's an idea of what they could do to simplify the line:

Have three configurations of phone available at two different screen sizes each. When I say configuration, I mean camera, chip, screen resolution, etc.

Example: 535 could be available in 5 inch and 6 inch to replace the 1320.

930 and 1520 are basically the same phone anyway.

And so on and so forth.
 

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Here's an idea of what they could do to simplify the line:

Have three configurations of phone available at two different screen sizes each. When I say configuration, I mean camera, chip, screen resolution, etc.

Example: 535 could be available in 5 inch and 6 inch to replace the 1320.

930 and 1520 are basically the same phone anyway.

And so on and so forth.

I think you're on to something there
 

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Honestly I think that's even worse and more complicated than as they are now.
Well... that's because it is. But it's not because the numbers were replaced with names, but rather because the names were simply too complex and information dense. By now, just the fact that it's overthrown the conversation makes it clear something needs to happen to the naming scheme so that the general public isn't left to play a guessing game with tons of numbers that will sound randomized to people who don't know how to decipher the numbering matrix. The fact that they exist now makes it seem like the entire platform is an unfinished beta full of phones that still have their tentative release prototype model numbers. No marketing specialist would ever agree to releasing a phone with names like that.

All the same, being able to name a phone something that's catchy and easy to remember isn't a skill any Joe Schmoe is expected to have because people actually take marketing classes for this. This is where marketing staff (and a couple professional designers) would come into play - people who have spent a bulk of their profession monitoring products like the Audi, Wii, Pet Rock, etc. and being able to realize what makes their name so recognizable (hint: simplicity plays a HUGE part) so that they can apply their finesse to a phone by giving it a name that has the chance to appeal.

We live in a complicated world full of people that desire nothing more than to keep it simple... so something like the proposed solution to de-complicate Lumia 1520 to "Lumia MagnaScreen Pro 2" (an eight-syllable mouthful) could simply be the "Lumia Prime".

Another thing I mentioned that needs to happen (which got nowhere near as much attention as simplifying the naming scheme, strangely enough) is Microsoft's mobile division taking a long, hard "think" about the current state of things so that they have a chance to realize how much money they're losing on redundancy. The Lumia 520 hit a sweet spot in the market, and definitely did deserve to be succeeded by another low-dollar phone... problem is... it didn't just get one successor, it got the Lumia 530, 535, 630, 635 and then some. There's simply no need for three damn phones to be released which all offer the same thing with their 512MB, lack of front cam, and low-end specs... and I'd even argue that we're in a state where 512MB devices need to go altogether. The Lumia 535 is the only one of those after the 520 that actually needs to exist, and since the 735's major appeal is a *selfie-oriented* 5mp ffc (something the 535 has) that could also be canned as well in favor of the 535.

Then the same thing could happen all throughout all tiers of the Lumias... recognizing just how and why the 1320 successors could be scrapped in favor of simply upgrading the 1520. See what happens there? Just like that, the necessity to rename so many phones and get into such a crazily complex naming scheme is gone simply because the cutting of redundancy resulted in less phones... so all we'd have to do is rename the Lumia 535 (I'd opt for something like Lumia Hero, but there's people more qualified than me who would likely come up with a name that has more market-stickiness)... ideally; there'd only be:

- Lumia 1525. A phone that fills the need for a high-powered phablet... which could be called "Lumia Prime"
- Lumia 1030. The *specialty* phone to represent Lumia Camera. Something like "Lumia PowerShot" would do.
- Lumia 535. The cheap budget phone which could be called "Lumia Hero"
- Lumia 830. The "affordable flagship"... "Lumia Medal" would be an okay name.
- Lumia 938. A smaller high end phone w/SD slot. Relaying the moniker "Lumia Icon" would be perfect.

See? Doesn't even need to be simplified to three phones... but getting rid of some redundancy and giving their phones names that have market-stickiness absolutely has to happen if Microsoft expects to stop losing this arms race... a key point I mentioned earlier in the topic is that less devices to focus on would also get us updates faster, bugs can be fixed faster, devs have less of a headache, and it decreases the complication involved in getting products to many markets.

They could even pull a card from HTC's success and affix a two character identifier to every name... which would have the end result of Lumia Hero G1 or Lumia Prime G1... so that when a revision comes out (ala: Lumia Hero G2, Lumia Prime G2) the consumer does not have to say any more than "I'm looking for that new Lumia Hero"... and it would establish consistency.

Just being able to request a Lumia phone (or describe what Lumia you have) with that level of simplicity would mean the world to Lumia's social image.

And as a closing note, the social image is ultimately what needs repair. A name like "Galaxy S" wasn't immediately successful... the first Galaxy S was actually kind of a trainwreck... but it was built upon through many revisions... seeing the S2, S3, S4 and S5 let the username know that "Galaxy S" is here to stay, and constantly improving. That's the same kind of impact that could be established with something like a Lumia Prime G1, G2, G3, etc... and something that needs to happen if they expect more than a niche to believe in them.
 
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