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  1. felixl87's Avatar
    Recently Huawei has said that it doesn't have any plans of making new windows phone devices which is now the news on every website, just a simple google search of "windows phone" returns with only that Huawei story, but if apple has made it alone since the first iphone, I don't think Microsoft should be afraid at all, it has the best phone manufacturing plants,it shouldn't be begging over new manufacturers, it should now concentrate on windows phone and the hardware division.
    Microsoft has my backup! Am not going anywhere! Even if I rant sometimes that am sick and tired, I still find windows phone to be a better OS than there has ever been!, I was here when instagram arrived and I will be here when candy crush debuts!, let the devs whine, let manufacturers whine, time will come, they will have to give up!
    12-04-2014 12:59 PM
  2. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    Agreed! Microsoft is love, Microsoft is life, lmao! And I'll be with them to the endm
    12-04-2014 01:09 PM
  3. EBUK's Avatar
    Microsoft has a bad reputation amongst a LOT of people. It just isn't a sexy, and they don't get what the average consumer wants. Let's face it, Lumia phones could have been design by Homer Simpson.

    On the left: Microsoft. On the right, virtually every other tech company.
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    12-04-2014 03:08 PM
  4. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Because unlike Apple, the tech media and mass media don't kiss Microsoft's ****, every time they release a new device. They actually don't even notice or block it from their minds.

    edit: seriously, "that" word was censored?! what if I had wrote it the way I originally thought it!
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    12-04-2014 03:11 PM
  5. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    I wish Microsoft would go it alone. Drop these other OEMs and throw out some amazing hardware and truly use all their strengths.
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    12-04-2014 03:16 PM
  6. tgp's Avatar
    Drop these other OEMs and throw out some amazing hardware and truly use all their strengths.
    Hardware is not the problem. If it was, the partnership with Nokia would have solved it.
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    12-04-2014 03:28 PM
  7. TLRtheory's Avatar
    Because Microsoft is approaching the game in a manner in which they can't possibly hope to succeed.

    Name sounds like a small deal, but it's very big. The numbering scheme of Lumias absolutely demolish any chance of WP becoming iconic. Lumia 1320 isn't a recognizable moniker... iPhone is. Even if - by some chance - one of these numbered Lumias were to rise to any form of being noticed, they'd drown in the convolution of having so many alternatives available. There's the Lumia 520 on AT&T, the 521 on T-Mobile, the 525 that offers more memory... pretty easy stuff for us to understand, but it's absolutely alienating to the general public.

    The Lumia 520 hit home... and it was lucky considering that the odds were against it. Learning everything about what made that phone successful and replicating it would be a viable option if Microsoft wants to repair what's got the most damage right now: their consumer confidence.

    The Lumia 535 was a step in the right direction, but their adherence to the numbering scheme is proof they're not learning anything. Think of how different things would be if the iPhone weren't so recognizable... if they'd have named it the Apple A1387 instead. Calling it simply the "Microsoft Lumia" would have given it much more of a chance to 'catch on,' and paved the way for a *smarter* mobile division that realizes the importance of social appeal. Instead of having a hundred different Lumias, they could simply release one low-end cheap basic phone to start at $149 off-contract and be sold at $49-$69 per promotional deal that would mimic the sweet spot found by the Lumia 520... then have a "powerhouse" phone chock full of the latest and greatest in smartphone specs.

    People ask about my Lumia 830 almost every time I whip it out... and honestly I don't even wanna get into explaining what kind of phone it is because I've seen enough of my Windows Phones invoke that "Ah, I'll never remember that name... moving on." response... and yes, that kind of thing cuts deeply into how well the interest for the platform can grow. That's something that should have been noticed and resolved ages ago.

    If they wanna be real smart, they could even use the well-established name of their Surface lineage... one "Microsoft Surface Phone" (cheap little 1GBram 8GBstorage phone with a sub-par 960x540 screen, sub-par front/back cameras, etc...)... then a "Surface Phone Pro" (QHD IPSLCD display, SD805, 2-3GB RAM, etc...) and possibly even a third *specialty* phone that focuses on a ridiculously high-spec camera or the wicked touch mechanics fabled with McLaren... but never any more than three per generation. Take no freedom away from other OEMs, but let a selection of 2-3 Microsoft-created devices represent the WP platform. The stress to manage bits and pieces of specialty hardware updates would then disappear, it'd be easier to get just three phones spread across all regions/markets instead of the holes-in-cheese catastrophe we have now... and uniformity - CONSISTENCY - could be established.

    Windows Phone can't gain traction without a recognizable name and proper handling... once those issues are resolved, devs will come easy. It wouldn't be easy to pry me away from the Windows Phone platform, but I wouldn't lie and say they're handling things well because they're very obviously not.
    Last edited by TLRtheory; 12-04-2014 at 03:44 PM.
    12-04-2014 03:30 PM
  8. xandros9's Avatar
    No keep the numbers, all they have to know is Lumia. Names like Pro etc would just muck it up.

    Samsung uses names like many suggest and its hardly the example to follow, not with a portfolio this size.

    They need to work on people actually knowing what Windows Phone is. Nobody hears about it, who can buy what they don't know about when there's almost zip marketing. (exaggeration I know)
    They only thing people hear are the complaints of people who never touched it.
    12-04-2014 03:46 PM
  9. to_be_announced's Avatar
    No keep the numbers, all they have to know is Lumia. Names like Pro etc would just muck it up.
    So a simple name would muck it up, but all of the different numbers don't? The average consumer is confused by the numbers. They like simple. Whether you believe it or not, the numbers are not simple and easy to remember for the average consumer.
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    12-04-2014 04:42 PM
  10. rodan01's Avatar
    Yeah, the flagship phones should have names.

    I'd call the 1030 with 50mp the "All-Seeing Eye". Carry the the All-Seeing Eye in your pocket, wireless, no optical nerve.
    12-04-2014 04:44 PM
  11. Trill Gates's Avatar
    Recently Huawei has said that it doesn't have any plans of making new windows phone devices which is now the news on every website, just a simple google search of "windows phone" returns with only that Huawei story, but if apple has made it alone since the first iphone, I don't think Microsoft should be afraid at all, it has the best phone manufacturing plants,it shouldn't be begging over new manufacturers, it should now concentrate on windows phone and the hardware division.
    Microsoft has my backup! Am not going anywhere! Even if I rant sometimes that am sick and tired, I still find windows phone to be a better OS than there has ever been!, I was here when instagram arrived and I will be here when candy crush debuts!, let the devs whine, let manufacturers whine, time will come, they will have to give up!
    What I think Microsoft needs to do with the upcoming Lumia 1030 (assuming it's actually coming) is bundle it with popular Microsoft services to create more product differentiation and appeal.
    1.) enterprise user package: 2 year Office 365 subscription & Skype included with purchase of Lumia 1030 & 2yr contract.
    2.) entertainment user package: 2 year Xbox Live Gold & Xbox music with purchase of Lumia 1030 & 2 yr contract.

    If MSFT grows market share for WP, then that means more App parity.
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    12-04-2014 04:57 PM
  12. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    Hardware is not the problem. If it was, the partnership with Nokia would have solved it.

    I never said hardware was the problem. I said get rid of the other OEMs to avoid companies like this bashing the OS. We got the hardware down with Lumia. Now Microsoft needs to fix this user experience.
    12-04-2014 05:11 PM
  13. xandros9's Avatar
    So a simple name would muck it up, but all of the different numbers don't? The average consumer is confused by the numbers. They like simple. Whether you believe it or not, the numbers are not simple and easy to remember for the average consumer.
    Samsung Galaxy Light
    Galaxy Core
    Galaxy Alpha
    Galaxy S5
    Galaxy Pocket Neo
    Galaxy ...

    Perhaps a hybrid, but I still hold numbers and something that can be quantified as opposed to names, which don't seem to really say too much about the phone. Although maybe the S conveys high end (despite S Mini's being midrange)
    Whether you believe it or not, numbers are easy to place in a lineup and make sense.

    Although some streamlining is something I won't mind at all. (and maybe even pruning the lineup a bit)
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    12-04-2014 05:22 PM
  14. RavenSword's Avatar
    The biggest strength that apple has is ecisyestem. And they have brand name cache. You can not like their products if you want, but the stuff they make is very well built and reliable. Microsoft isn't really known for those things to most people I think. Windows computers have a stigma or crashing and instability. Macs don't. And many windows computers are just plain looking boxes or rectangles.

    I think people underestimate those things. Not to mention MS got in the phone game too late
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    12-04-2014 07:08 PM
  15. jmshub's Avatar
    Thing is, there is no formula on how to make a successfuly mobile platform. Apple has that certain cach, despite going it alone in hardware, initially being locked to a single carrier (in the US, that is), and an intentionally limited product line that, for years was a single product and nothing else. Android, of course, is the total opposite. Many brands, every carrier, hundreds of handsets of every size and shape.

    To say that an over-abundance of models for Lumia is a little off, IMO. Nokia had a purpose for each of them, and while there is some overlap, I think three models would be insufficient. I honestly don't know what the answer is, maybe there is no simple answer. But to over analyze the competition to divine their secrets would be folly.
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    12-04-2014 07:51 PM
  16. ShinraCorp's Avatar
    If they really need a rename of their Lumia lineup then why not start off fresh? Microsoft Lumia 1 to 5 (1 from low end, 3 for high end, 4 for 1020ish, 5 for 1520ish) powered by Windows 10, it's like your PC BUT ON YOUR PHONE!
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    12-04-2014 08:05 PM
  17. matt john2's Avatar
    IOS or any Apple devices looks great and feels like luxury, simple as that. They may copy a lot of stuff from rival OS but it will always turn out pretty good. IOS has a lot of support from devs windows phone does not. IOS will always have the better quality apps, which I can say most of windows phone apps are junk. IOS is a perfected OS windows phone is not. Their advertising are maybe lousy but they always perfecting the selling points. IOS looks better than windows phone because it has a lot of animations. In short Apple devices has a lot more support than windows phone. And Microsoft is always focusing on lower end devices which is good for them but not for us because even the higher end model feels cheap.
    12-04-2014 08:15 PM
  18. LockOnTech's Avatar
    I wish Microsoft would go it alone. Drop these other OEMs and throw out some amazing hardware and truly use all their strengths.
    Imagine if you mentioned that to not only windows phone, but also personal computers as well. No Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Asus or Samsung; the "one band, one sound" approach seems boring in a way, more choice is better.


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    12-04-2014 08:35 PM
  19. RavenSword's Avatar
    Imagine if you mentioned that to not only windows phone, but also personal computers as well. No Alienware, Hewlett-Packard, Asus or Samsung; the "one band, one sound" approach seems boring in a way, more choice is better.


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    Eh, is it really though. If we shift focus to android for a bit, I'd argue that there massive amounts of different devices is a bad thing with things like OS updates.

    I don't know, personally I'm conflicted about what OS to use. I like WP a lot, but then I know I would probably miss apps and honestly I wouldn't even know what to buy right now since there's no new flagships. With android I like that I get more device choices, but there's just these little hitches and slowdowns that annoy me. With iOS, I think they have the best spps and better overal package as far as performance and specs, but I don't like the lack if choice and I always feel like I have to go all in with apple.

    So its hard.
    12-04-2014 09:01 PM
  20. Darthbobcat's Avatar
    I think the Lumia Icon has the sexiest name of the bunch. I'd experiment with some more non-numbered phones with the launch of 10.

    Plus, numbers don't seem to have hurt the HTC One M8 series.
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    12-04-2014 09:32 PM
  21. idokamaroq's Avatar
    I don't think the issue is creative device names. (I probably wouldn't carry an "All-Seeing-Eye" just because of that name, actually.) Sure, brand recognition as a whole, maybe. But pretty much everyone who would ever buy a smartphone anyways knows the name Windows Phone, and those that don't still probably know Lumia (and there we go, Lumia = Galaxy). Although, I get the occasional, "Wait Lumias aren't Android?" but that's usually followed by the "I thought anything that wasn't an iPhone was Android."
    So maybe that's it, but I don't think it's the main reason.

    Why can't Microsoft go w/o other manufacturers? I'll ignore the fact that they've traditionally been just a software company because they're obviously trying to move away from that. But as for the reason, two words: fan base.

    (Eh, I hate sticking with short answers...) That's one of the major reasons that I detest Apple. They release admittedly nice products, but then the hordes of fanbois go berserk and all you hear about for the next 11 months is the amazing new innovative iAlreadyHaveThisThingButThisOneHasAHigherNumberOnIt, leading up to the one month of the rumors of the upcoming new exciting iCantWaitForThisOneBecauseItHasAnEvenBiggerNumberOnIt. I don't want that to happen to Microsoft, I like them too much.

    Another reason Microsoft needs the support of other manufacturers (that people already know and love thanks to Android) could be popular opinion of the platform. "Oh, I absolutely hate Windows phones, they suck." Really? Have you ever tried one? "Well, no." Have you even seen one up close? "Well, no. But the apps!" ... But the apps!

    I've yet to come across a review of a Windows Phone where they didn't complain about the so-called app gap, with exception to WP-centric sites, like this one. And even then, some slip in there. The media and tech blogs get good ratings because they tell people what they want to hear, and people want to hear things they've already heard before, which is that WP sucks and lacks apps.

    /* This repeated complaint is one of my pet peeves of reviews, along with the "Here, listen to the speakers through my DSLR's excuse for a mic and encoded through youtube and played through whatever you happen to be listening to it on..." and the "Check out the screen quality on this thing as viewed through my webcam, youtube's video compression, and again whatever you happen to be watching this on." */

    The reality? As a WP user, I only have half a million apps to choose from. Big deal. I don't have enough space on my phone for 500,000 apps. In my opinion, the perfect app store would have less than 100 apps on it, as long as they are all complete and well-maintained. That should be enough to adequately cover every genre of app and game, I think. (Then, maybe allow some more for the niche stuff, if they don't fit.) How many "apps" do you use on your computer? A web browser, antivirus, a music player, Office suite, photo editing, video making, and some games. Plus maybe some niche stuff. So, probably not a whole lot.

    So the better argument isn't in numbers, but that there are a couple "big-name" apps missing. But with most of these (with exception to some games), the same thing can usually be done on the company's website. People just like to use up as much space on their 64GB iDontSupportSD, it seems.

    OK, I need to stop ranting. Lol

    TL;DR Fn psychology.
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    12-04-2014 11:12 PM
  22. felixl87's Avatar
    Samsung Galaxy Light
    Galaxy Core
    Galaxy Alpha
    Galaxy S5
    Galaxy Pocket Neo
    Galaxy ...

    Perhaps a hybrid, but I still hold numbers and something that can be quantified as opposed to names, which don't seem to really say too much about the phone. Although maybe the S conveys high end (despite S Mini's being midrange)
    Whether you believe it or not, numbers are easy to place in a lineup and make sense.

    Although some streamlining is something I won't mind at all. (and maybe even pruning the lineup a bit)
    Something like "Lumia one"
    12-05-2014 12:29 AM
  23. Dk92's Avatar
    It's possible, all I know is I still want a Surface phone with the premium build quality and style as the Surface 2. Seems like that will never happen now.
    12-05-2014 12:36 AM
  24. stephen_az's Avatar
    Recently Huawei has said that it doesn't have any plans of making new windows phone devices which is now the news on every website, just a simple google search of "windows phone" returns with only that Huawei story, but if apple has made it alone since the first iphone, I don't think Microsoft should be afraid at all, it has the best phone manufacturing plants,it shouldn't be begging over new manufacturers, it should now concentrate on windows phone and the hardware division.
    Microsoft has my backup! Am not going anywhere! Even if I rant sometimes that am sick and tired, I still find windows phone to be a better OS than there has ever been!, I was here when instagram arrived and I will be here when candy crush debuts!, let the devs whine, let manufacturers whine, time will come, they will have to give up!
    That is very interesting. I guess I have a different opinion regarding what constitutes being news on every website. Just searched for Windows Phone on Bing and Google and not a single Huawei story was listed. There are, of course, some negative stories pulled up by Google but that is to be expected. The same happens if you just search for Apple on Google. The company famous for stacking search results in its favor evidently negatively spins search results for competitors. Perhaps that is why Apple will drop its last link to Google's search engine next year. BTW, if you could find that 0.01 percent of the US population even recognizes the name Huawei, you would probably be lucky.

    As to the rest of your argument, Apple can go it alone because 1) it created the smartphone market as we know it with the original iPhone, and 2) they have always emphasized their own branding (hardware and software) as a unified whole. Microsoft cannot take the same approach and certainly will not try. It is a guaranteed path towards failure. Their goal will remain to be everywhere - just an extension of the Windows desktop philosophy that has existed since the 1990s. I must admit, while I loathe Google and its business practices, I also will never get the point of people pushing we must win some imaginary battle mentality. They are just phones, tablets, etc., and having a respectable market share (which can be single digits) combined with an app presence on every platform is a very viable strategy.
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    12-05-2014 12:51 AM
  25. Loc Ngo's Avatar
    The problem is that, people are so harsh and sensitive with even the smallest mistake of MS, and so judgmental about every MS product. However, every achievement and good deed that MS does means absolutely nothing to them. They will be like:"Uhm okay, that's the way it has to be". Remember the pre-launch of the 830? How many "It sucks. I won't buy it", "MS is going the wrong way with this one",... rants could you count? You couldn't because they are numberless. And now, what are people and reviews saying about it? And MS has offered so many space on OneDrive but how many people actually thanked them compared to the number of those that are cursing at "ugliest change" in the app's layout?
    The otherwise goes with Apple. Fans of its ecosystem is actually thankful to the experience (albeit biased and brainwashed) and are willing to defend the system. It has even generated some so-called Windows fans that never quit any chance to bash Windows like someone that I've seen here. If Apple makes mistakes, there will be thousands of reasons for it to shun all the negativity. It even blamed its loyal users for its own mistakes. Can MS do this? No. If MS makes a small mistake, the world's gonna end.
    12-05-2014 01:18 AM
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