12-19-2014 10:13 AM
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  1. fatclue_98's Avatar
    I agree with all this, but what about the current Windows Phone customers that have no device to upgrade to? What about the people who were brought to Windows Phone with budget devices and are now looking for a high end upgrade? There needs to be at least one phone for these people or they will switch to Android.
    You mean there's no flagship Lumia to upgrade to. I'm not singling you out per se, but most of the comments I read make it sound like there's no other WP device unless it's a Lumia. That's part of the problem within our own base. The Ativ SE on Verizon shreds most of the Lumias on specs alone. Camera notwithstanding, the M8 is a solid device that was launched very recently and came out of the box with 8.1 Update. I don't blame other OEMs for not devoting any resources to the platform since the users don't, or won't, support them. Nadella is NOT a hardware guy like Ballmer was and y'all better wake up to the fact that there may NOT be many Lumias coming down the pike. Does Google commission a new Nexus every six months? No. Does Apple release a new iPhone every six months? No. So what gives?
    12-16-2014 09:45 PM
  2. chenhogi's Avatar
    This is a killer of a situation for Microsoft. They are pushing for the low end to build the mid-high in the future. I can understand that and commend them for the effort. The problem becomes when you don't have anything for your previous customers to upgrade to and you lose them. So what have you gained. Most of the people who buy Apple phones are people who bought them before. They are keeping their customers content; Microsoft is not. Most people don't care if their next phone is the best on the planet. But they do want it to be better than the one they had before. That is where Apple has been successfull. Of course they have the market share to prove that strategy works. While they only have 13% or so of the market; they hang onto that 13% and sell their old customers the next little bit better phone. If Microsoft had taken the 925, gave it a quad core 800, added a SD card and made a few improvements and sold it for about the same as the original 925 I believe they would have had a good replacement for the people who are now dropping the mark. But what do I know.
    Very good post.
    12-16-2014 11:12 PM
  3. ALpHa.Q.RoUgH's Avatar
    What is the definition of a flagship to some people I'm curious especially to those who are still with a 920?

    There has been the:

    Samsung Ativ SE
    Lumia 930
    HTC M8 for Windows
    Lumia 1520
    Lumia 1020

    I mean that's a ton of options.

    What exactly are you waiting for?

    The 1520 came out a little more than a year ago, 1020 a year and a half ago and the M8 like 5 months ago.
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    12-17-2014 12:17 AM
  4. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    There has been the:

    Samsung Ativ SE
    Verizon only--I have AT&T
    Lumia 930
    Not available in the US
    HTC M8 for Windows
    No way to block unwanted calls/texts
    Lumia 1520
    Too big for me
    Lumia 1020
    Same processor as in 920--camera is only better feature.

    I mean that's a ton of options.

    What exactly are you waiting for?
    That's why I'm still waiting.
    Guytronic, tgp, N_LaRUE and 6 others like this.
    12-17-2014 12:53 AM
  5. undisputed n00b's Avatar
    Maybe they are purposely not releasing a flagship to give HTC some business.
    No. They gave HTC a chance with the 8x and they blew it by basically abandoning the phone as soon as it launched and support for updates have been abysmal as well. Everybody knows if you want a WP to only buy a Lumia and nothing else.
    STXVI likes this.
    12-17-2014 04:38 AM
  6. Evronian's Avatar
    MS seems to have a all in strategy for everything. Also, the current CEO wasn't a fan of them buying Nokia's handset unit. He wants them to be a software company before anything else. So, I don't see any push from the top to get anything out soon.
    I'm starting to think that Microsoft doesn't really care about WP. All their services are available on the other platforms and some of those apps are even better than WP ones. The Icon was released 10 months ago and as of now there are no news of upcoming flagship devices. The competition has phones with better hardware, better apps and running all those Ms services we use on our Lumias. Microsoft is simply giving no reason to stick with them to its customers. And that's a shame cause I really love the OS and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
    nohra likes this.
    12-17-2014 05:05 AM
  7. Jose_Rey's Avatar
    Who knows. Samsung may launch new Ativ flagship. Ativ S2
    I wish!
    12-17-2014 05:23 AM
  8. Jose_Rey's Avatar
    @RaRa85

    That's how I feel. Apps are night and day in comparison to WP, but I LOVE that Metro look of WP! I'm debating whether to return my phone and get an M8. The thing holding me back is the price at the moment. I was hoping to get one under 400 for AT&T.
    12-17-2014 05:30 AM
  9. realwarder's Avatar
    Just the same rumors still spinning.

    Only Microsoft know the answer... time will tell. I wouldn't care so much if you could buy the phones they're actually released in the USA (930/735)
    12-17-2014 07:27 AM
  10. FeedTheShark's Avatar
    To me the problem is that MS have inherited a bizarre release schedule from Nokia. Nokia (much as I love/d them) often seemed to release phones at arbitrary times of the year, dotting the calendar with releases with no apparent logic. Why did the 925 come out 6 months after the 920? Why was the 1520 released with Icon/930 and not called the 1530 since it has the same processor? Why did they have to wait another 6 months for the 730/830? And they always had the issue of announce and only make available for sale months later.

    What I think (hope!) MS are doing is following Qualcomm's release schedule. The 810 chip is coming Q1 2014, Samsung will use it for the Galaxy S6, HTC for the new M8, Sony for the Z4, LG for their flagship Android, etc, etc. If MS had released a 940, 1040, 1540 (or whatever) this year they'd be running the 805 and within months be behind the Android competition spec-for-spec. That has always been the case, and while you can argue WP doesn't need the power whereas Android does, too many people do go by processor. Add to that the fact W10 is coming late summer, you'll actually get more benefit from the 810 when you upgrade.

    So sure it's annoying there's no flagship now, but I think it makes sense to wait til MWC or CES to announce their flagships running the latest hardware and be on par with other OEMs than to have released something for the holiday season and 920/1020 owners who are at the ends of their contracts. Obviously they cannot talk about it yet, if they announced sales of existing 930s would plummet. So that's my hope, new flagships announced in a month or so - they don't need to wait for Windows 10, just for the Qualcomm 810.
    12-17-2014 07:34 AM
  11. Evronian's Avatar
    Just the same rumors still spinning.

    Only Microsoft know the answer... time will tell. I wouldn't care so much if you could buy the phones they're actually released in the USA (930/735)
    If I wanted a mid range phone I would've bought one it the first place. So I'm not going to change my 920 with a 735. As for the 930, my contract is due in June and by that time the 930 will be 1 and a half years old. Nobody wants to get a 30months contract with a phone that old.
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    12-17-2014 07:39 AM
  12. Cryio's Avatar
    They missed the bandwagon and want to release a SD810 phone to coincide with the release of W10.
    12-17-2014 07:49 AM
  13. RaRa85's Avatar
    What is the definition of a flagship to some people I'm curious especially to those who are still with a 920?

    There has been the:

    Samsung Ativ SE
    Lumia 930
    HTC M8 for Windows
    Lumia 1520
    Lumia 1020

    I mean that's a ton of options.

    What exactly are you waiting for?

    The 1520 came out a little more than a year ago, 1020 a year and a half ago and the M8 like 5 months ago.
    And which one of those phones can be obtained readily through any carrier? Drum roll please...one. That is the problem. People aren't going to continue to buy phones outright when the competition is easily accessible through the carrier and no one knows what direction WP is going in. Seriously Microsoft cannot afford to move at a snails pace while offering $50 phones in the meantime. I had to buy the HTC Focus, HTC Titan, Lumia 920 and 1020 all from eBay and go through the process of getting them unlocked for my carrier. The average consumer is not going to go through the hassle. I was a diehard WP guy at the time but the cancelled McLaren did it for me especially when they could release current hardware like the Lumia 1520/930 on carriers without a recent flagship and still chose not to. That's when I jumped ship. And I've come to realize how far app development needs to go now that I'm on a different platform.

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    12-17-2014 10:06 AM
  14. RaRa85's Avatar
    @RaRa85

    That's how I feel. Apps are night and day in comparison to WP, but I LOVE that Metro look of WP! I'm debating whether to return my phone and get an M8. The thing holding me back is the price at the moment. I was hoping to get one under 400 for AT&T.
    Yeah it's true. What phone do you own now? I'm using the Z3 and I love it.

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    12-17-2014 10:07 AM
  15. nohra's Avatar
    The first basic principle of business is the time value of money: having a specific amount of money today is worth more than having that same amount in the future. My Nokia Lumia 920 is still a solid phone that is better than a lot phones on the market and I am just going to be hanging onto it and not getting anything new. Without anything to even tempt me to spend my money on, Microsoft and the other OEMs are putting the benefit of time value of money in my hands, and they are losing it by the simple fact that I am going to earn interest on the money I'm setting aside for a phone down the road. The product game may be to sell now-sell now-sell now, but there's no sales happening in the near future here.

    That said, if HTC put a Lumia 1020-spec camera into the One M8, I would probably have already bought it by now! That phone looks great, but the camera is going to be what determines my next phone. Of course, in the same line, if Microsoft comes out with a Lumia 1020 successor that looks sweet like the One, but has the camera and camera button that the HTC lacks, they will make a sale for sure.

    I guess it's fortunate for us that the 920 was built like a tank!
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    12-17-2014 10:14 AM
  16. nohra's Avatar
    But what do I know.
    I can tell you know Apple's game, and they are rolling right now with that game. The next iPhone can be the exact same specs EXACTLY as the current with the addition of a gold color version, and they will still have them lined around the block to sell one day 1. Has there ever been a line for new Windows Phones or Androids?
    12-17-2014 10:17 AM
  17. Jazmac's Avatar
    No biggy for me. I'll just get something to tide me over until MS releases something I want.
    12-17-2014 01:25 PM
  18. LoriInWA's Avatar
    Verizon only--I have AT&T
    Not available in the US
    No way to block unwanted calls/texts
    Too big for me
    Same processor as in 920--camera is only better feature.

    That's why I'm still waiting.
    What she said...exactly!
    12-17-2014 01:37 PM
  19. Jose_Rey's Avatar
    Yeah it's true. What phone do you own now? I'm using the Z3 and I love it.

    Posted via the Windows Phone Central App for Android
    The Amazon Fire Phone. Bought it cause it was cheap. I've sideloaded Xbox Music and HERE Maps on it. Actually, I'd wager even that app is better on Android. It gives you three different route options when you search for something. So far it has been better than my past android devices in terms of performance. But it's pretty bland. I know there's widgets and all that on other androids, but I really prefer WP. Those Live Tiles are AWESOME!
    RaRa85 likes this.
    12-17-2014 03:07 PM
  20. vlad0's Avatar
    There are rumours that new W10 devices may have an Intel SoC with x86 architecture. That would be a game-changer and that would be worth waiting for.
    Could you please point me to any more information regarding this ? I have a hard time believing that they will go for x86, but if they come up with a dock phone that can run win32 programs might be a selling point.

    It will probably happen one day anyway.. its a matter of the hardware catching up to the task... like 128gb storage and 4gb Ram as standard.. you should be able to run proper desktop computing to an external monitor without any problems.
    12-17-2014 06:01 PM
  21. fatclue_98's Avatar
    Could you please point me to any more information regarding this ? I have a hard time believing that they will go for x86, but if they come up with a dock phone that can run win32 programs might be a selling point.

    It will probably happen one day anyway.. its a matter of the hardware catching up to the task... like 128gb storage and 4gb Ram as standard.. you should be able to run proper desktop computing to an external monitor without any problems.
    Shoot, right here on WPC.

    New rumor claims mobile version of Windows 10 will work on ARM and Intel devices | Windows Central
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    12-17-2014 06:44 PM
  22. nohra's Avatar
    The Amazon Fire Phone. Bought it cause it was cheap. I've sideloaded Xbox Music and HERE Maps on it. Actually, I'd wager even that app is better on Android. It gives you three different route options when you search for something.
    Route options would be nice... as well as 'via' points (Going from point A to C, add point B in between). Something that desktop maps can do that I really wish the phone would.
    12-19-2014 10:13 AM
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