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  1. WPmaniac4 25's Avatar
    Reading what Huawei recently said about windows phone, I have to agree, OEM's need to have some control over the operating system. If they could just tweak it a little to suit their style, an example of this is the HTC 8x and 8s where they added a clock. I wouldn't go so far as to say they should create their own massively different skin, but I think OEM's should get some say on what their phones look like. A skin that wouldn't cause to much fuss could be a version of the Nokia x ui suited for windows 10. I believe if Microsoft give the customers and OEMs more freedom with the os they will get more of both of them.
    Last edited by WPmaniac4 25; 01-29-2015 at 02:16 PM.
    Wasim Wes Adetunji likes this.
    01-29-2015 02:05 PM
  2. Harrie-S's Avatar
    I do not agree, a little bit control is the same as a little bit pregnant. In other words not possible.
    01-29-2015 02:34 PM
  3. theefman's Avatar
    OEM's need to have some control over the operating system.
    No, they don't. If they want control over an operating system they should write their own, not jack up someone else's.
    a5cent, xandros9, Alain_A and 2 others like this.
    01-29-2015 03:00 PM
  4. WPmaniac4 25's Avatar
    Android does it
    01-29-2015 04:07 PM
  5. Harrie-S's Avatar
    Android does it
    You just proved our point.

    More customisation = more open OS = more vulnerable for virus = more vulnerable for bloatware. So WP should stay away from that.
    xandros9, teckris and Alain_A like this.
    01-29-2015 04:17 PM
  6. JamesDax's Avatar
    No!
    01-29-2015 04:22 PM
  7. bokchoy1's Avatar
    I'm curious to know what Huawei and the other manufacturers count as differentiation.





    The skin? I have a feeling that this is what manufacturers rely on. Why would they move to Windows when they can and have skinned Android to their liking? In the worst case scenario, these Windows Phones would end up skinned to look and feel like their Android counterparts in a misguided effort to protect a unified brand image. Why buy a windows phone then? There will always be a number of people who will attempt to remove the skin. What's left?





    There's also Nokia's old tactic of providing useful exclusive apps. However, this works best for manufacturers who can also provide services.





    Then we have distinctive hardware design. I'm thinking of the less obvious things, features not on the spec sheet and the gimmicks. The power/volume button layout, front-facing speakers, camera buttons, etc. are all underappreciated features. Then there's stuff like IR blasters, fingerprint readers, screen edge displays, heart rate monitors, etc. that probably require custom software to make use of. I'm a Lumia fan but Motorola's Active Display goes a step further than Glance with actionable notifications. It requires a custom coprocessor. The Pureview 808 can take pictures much faster than the Lumia 1020 even though its specs are outdated. It also has a custom coprocessor. This is where I can see Windows Phone having difficulty. Any modifications to the operating system in order to implement custom hardware would have to pass through Microsoft first.





    So... Does Huawei do anything like that?
    jmshub likes this.
    01-29-2015 06:18 PM
  8. tiziano27's Avatar
    If all WPs are very similar, people will always choose Lumia. Specially if Microsoft is already selling phones at a loss. OEMs won't adopt the platform.
    01-29-2015 06:22 PM
  9. Nicholas Maguire's Avatar
    Android does it
    And what does that do for Android? Those customized Android launchers are the reason Android is called laggy. Stock Android isn't really that bad.
    jmshub and xandros9 like this.
    01-29-2015 06:29 PM
  10. xandros9's Avatar
    Android does it
    and we get skins of varying quality, from Sense to Touchwiz.
    bloatware apps that can't be uninstalled.

    and so on. (not saying its all bad, it just has its negatives)
    Harrie-S likes this.
    01-29-2015 08:08 PM
  11. jmshub's Avatar
    In the OP, the HTC clock is an app that is exclusive to HTC handsets. Huawei could easily write exclusive apps that would appear on the home screen of Huawei handsets. So, their argument is specious. They don't want customization or differentiation, they just want control.
    Last edited by jmshub; 01-30-2015 at 08:51 AM. Reason: typo
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    01-30-2015 08:50 AM
  12. wuiyang's Avatar
    Microsoft Windows + Windows Phone SDK has already open wider and wider, and also more secure.
    If Microsoft open source Windows + Windows Phone SDK, it will end up like android.
    - lag (due to OEM put lots of BS into it)
    - virus (unless Windows Phone publish small sized and forced secure update, then Microsoft have no time to secure its OS to everywhere even low internet speed country)
    - rooting (free stuff, dev not get paid, dev sad)

    If Microsoft have hired hackers to hack their program, and no bug, secure leak WITHOUT modify of the OS, then Microsoft will open source it

    NO, not google, google team will open your source to every hacker.
    Plus, they sell founded security leaks to some hacker (maybe they do, maybe they don't, I don't know)
    01-30-2015 09:32 AM
  13. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    The only Huawei phone I saw in my market was the W1. A lack luster low end phone that was no better then the HTC 8s.
    They are a Budget company at best....if they want control of the OS it is not for a good reason!!!!
    If they wish to exit the Windows Phone segment, I can say just one thing, Good !!!
    We don't need more Low and Mid Range junk.
    01-30-2015 09:36 AM
  14. wuiyang's Avatar
    The only Huawei phone I saw in my market was the W1. A lack luster low end phone that was no better then the HTC 8s.
    They are a Budget company at best....if they want control of the OS it is not for a good reason!!!!
    If they wish to exit the Windows Phone segment, I can say just one thing, Good !!!
    We don't need more Low and Mid Range junk.
    India need low price, good specs, like OnePlus One
    01-30-2015 09:37 AM
  15. Greywolf1967's Avatar
    India need low price, good specs, like OnePlus One
    The world needs a company like One Plus to up it's game and jump on Windows and force others to up their game. So better hardware makes it to all range of phones.
    01-30-2015 09:42 AM
  16. bokchoy1's Avatar
    The world needs a company like One Plus to up it's game and jump on Windows and force others to up their game. So better hardware makes it to all range of phones.



    I'll play devil's advocate and say low pricing has downsides.




    Not many companies are willing to make a single digit figure per handset. That slim margin of profit means that a small company only has money to manufacture tiny batches at a time. People who can't buy one will buy something else. If the product fails, so will the company. Sell too little and the company faces bankruptcy. Sell too many and Samsung et al. will become your enemy. The market may eventually be flooded with cheap but shoddy devices when everybody participates in a price undercutting war.



    Anyone with a defective or broken unit is going to wait a long, long, long time for a replacement (until the next batch is manufactured). This is bad for customer service and could alienate people in the long run.
    Last edited by bokchoy1; 01-30-2015 at 11:32 PM.
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    01-30-2015 10:21 PM
  17. WPmaniac4 25's Avatar
    Hey guys just look at new touchwiz no lag and no viruses but still customised
    03-31-2015 12:39 PM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Hey guys just look at new touchwiz no lag and no viruses but still customised
    I purposefully avoided Samsung Androids, since I didn't want TouchWiz and didn't want to root in order to remove it.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
    HeyCori likes this.
    03-31-2015 01:09 PM
  19. Alex Carvalho1's Avatar
    Great New Windows new worlds :D
    04-14-2015 08:48 PM
  20. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Android does it
    Apple does not.

    "Android does it" is the weakest of arguments. If Microsoft did everything that users wanted brought over from Android then Windows Phone would be but a skin of Android, another diluted product in an oversaturated market.
    xandros9 and HeyCori like this.
    04-15-2015 10:46 AM
  21. ajayden's Avatar
    Android does it
    My suggestion is very simple and practical.

    If android does it, then just use a Huawei phone running android.
    xandros9 and prasath1234 like this.
    04-15-2015 11:06 AM
  22. Wasim Wes Adetunji's Avatar
    Well no wonder OEMs are making Android phones instead of Windows.
    04-22-2015 12:49 PM
  23. Wasim Wes Adetunji's Avatar
    No, it's becoming that way anyway because of the design changes in Windows 10. They could allow for customization and skins without turning it into an Android clone like they are now.
    04-22-2015 12:49 PM
  24. RumoredNow's Avatar
    Well no wonder OEMs are making Android phones instead of Windows.
    And the vast majority of them loosing money at it.
    Laura Knotek and xandros9 like this.
    04-22-2015 01:04 PM
  25. ajayden's Avatar
    And the vast majority of them loosing money at it.


    Yes that's true. Lot of the manufacturers are hanging on there, just trying to survive.
    Laura Knotek and xandros9 like this.
    04-22-2015 01:40 PM
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